Video: The satisfied abortionist
posted at 7:45 pm on December 12, 2007 by Bryan
Repulsive. Abortion as an abstraction is one thing. To hear it discussed in such a cavalier manner is something else entirely.
I have great satisfaction of what I do, and I never feel bad or worried about doing abortions.
The rest of Dr. Hodari’s speech, including an admission that he barely washes his hands between abortions, is at the link above.
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What a despicable excuse for a human being. of course he never feels bad or worried about doing abortions…he’s a serial murderer, a sociopath, only he’s doing his thing legally.
stonemeister on December 12, 2007 at 7:53 PM
I’d like to see his exit interview with his Maker. I doubt it would be pretty.
Vanceone on December 12, 2007 at 7:56 PM
Big deal. So he scrapes a clump of lifeless, soulless cells out of a woman’s womb before God breaths life and a soul into it. Big Deal. What’s your problem. It’s not life — not to him — not to his patients. Its not illegal — its apparently a constitutional right for petesake!!! If it doesn’t bother him, why should it bother you.
And nice how you take the “license to lie” language way out of context.
tommylotto on December 12, 2007 at 7:59 PM
Mr. tommylotto:
Maybe you should do more current reading on embryonic and fetal development. What is “scraped out” is not a mere clump of cells. With all the imaging technology we have, we know that the embryo develops all systems much earlier than could be imagined decades ago. Obviously, you’d like to dehumanize that embryo so you and others like you can justify one of the most selfish acts on the planet.
Mommynator on December 12, 2007 at 8:01 PM
Bryan, besides your own desire to perceive an abortionist as evil, is there anything you could point to in particular as evil in this clip? I sure didn’t see one thing. I only saw a charming man talking about his job.
thuja on December 12, 2007 at 8:04 PM
I didn’t know that technology was able to detect a soul. That’s news to me.
You are speculating about that and calling someone a murdered and damning them to hell based on your baseless assumption. Very Christian of you!!!
tommylotto on December 12, 2007 at 8:11 PM
Soulless? What, so the baby magically gains a soul the moment it comes out of its mother’s womb? Give me a break. Human life begins at conceptio, period. It is irrelevant if the fetus at one or other moment of its gestation. All humans, always, have been through those stages. All fetuses are fully-fledged human beings and must be considered as such. Anything else is a travesty and a denial of our very humanity.
Baphomet on December 12, 2007 at 8:15 PM
license to lie is taken -way- out of context here in the video. he’s referring to letting guys into the room who might faint and sue him. I’d lie too – if it raised my insurance rates.
i’m not sure what’s overly offensive in this video, i might watch the longer one at the link, but this part doesn’t really inspire any feelings in me at all.
lorien1973 on December 12, 2007 at 8:15 PM
I don’t have any desire to see abortion as evil. Don’t you dare make this thread about me. Just don’t. If you don’t like my opinion on this issue, fine, but do not turn this into a hatefest on me for posting something that you don’t like to see.
Bryan on December 12, 2007 at 8:16 PM
You realize that we know very little about pregnancy right?
Babies are born, through some unknown process, whereas a clump of cells (similar to a tumor) becomes a baby when it comes in contact with air. It’s all very mysterious.
lorien1973 on December 12, 2007 at 8:16 PM
tommylotto,
you seem to be shock-jocking it, you are trying too hard. You have no logical or rational argument that supports your “feelings” on this matter. It’s a matter of opinion and belief, you are showing enough disdain to mark yourself as a selfish faith-basher.
ColdBore76 on December 12, 2007 at 8:18 PM
Lorien, it’s a baby much earlier than “when it comes in contact with air”. nice trying to frame the argument around your opinions…unless you were being sarcastic…were you?
ColdBore76 on December 12, 2007 at 8:20 PM
quite sarcastic.
lorien1973 on December 12, 2007 at 8:22 PM
tommylotto on December 12, 2007 at 8:11 PM
I didn’t know that technology was able to detect a soul. That’s news to me. You are speculating about that and calling someone a murdered and damning them to hell based on your baseless assumption. Very Christian of you!!!
Of course technology is unable to detect a soul – we who believe in souls take this on faith, even someone as idiotic as you must realize that. But technology can detect the development of a nervous system, a heartbeat, etc. And these are clearly visible very early on.
Also, tommylotto – I did not read any accusation or damnation into the comments made by Mommynator – you seem to have made those up, based, perhaps, in your own hatred of anyone who has a different view than you?
You do not seem to be a very nice or tolerant person at all. I know your ilk, your egos are obvious from across a room, and I avoid people like you like the plague you are.
reine.de.tout on December 12, 2007 at 8:22 PM
touche`
ColdBore76 on December 12, 2007 at 8:23 PM
Bryan,
I take your ideas about the international situation seriously. I often adopt your position as my own. How much more respect could I give you? So please don’t be quite so reactive towards me on issue which we disagree. However evil may be the way the left uses the word “diversity”, I do think we can agree that a diversity of ideas is a good thing, if we attempt reasonable conversation about them.
thuja on December 12, 2007 at 8:32 PM
Question is: Do YOU have a soul? And you answer in the affirmative, how can we detect it?
Ugly on December 12, 2007 at 8:33 PM
*and if
Ugly on December 12, 2007 at 8:34 PM
He betrayed his Hippocratic oath by lying to his patients. In fact he bragged about it. Even if Bryan is wrong and abortion isn’t immoral, this man has no principles and gloats about it in front of an adoring public audience. He isn’t doing his job and didn’t display a smidgen of charm.
aengus on December 12, 2007 at 8:35 PM
Agreed. But tone says a lot, and yours told me that you were going to make this post all about how awful I am if I’d let you. People turn on people they claim to respect with surprising speed these days.
Bryan on December 12, 2007 at 8:36 PM
So, what, the discussions on atheism weren’t hot enough for you?
Meryl Yourish on December 12, 2007 at 8:39 PM
Hm. Heartbeat, brain activity and almost fully-functional internal organs. At 11 weeks. Hardly lifeless.
It’s one thing to disagree on policy, but please don’t misrepresent the nature of a fetus.
Slublog on December 12, 2007 at 8:54 PM
Photo Shop this monsters head on an SS uniform and it all comes into focus.
Untermensch = Unborn
6 million = 50+ million and counting
Hening on December 12, 2007 at 8:59 PM
Slublog,
Heartbeat is detected at 18 days.
ColdBore76 on December 12, 2007 at 8:59 PM
Or so it has been claimed.
ColdBore76 on December 12, 2007 at 9:01 PM
True, but I was pointing out my kid’s attributes at this time – 11 weeks.
My knowledge is a result of the myriad of baby books my wife
forcedasked me to read before our first was born.Slublog on December 12, 2007 at 9:01 PM
STOP
Point to the place in the scriptures where it tells us where and when life and soul begins or shut up. You don’t know, I don’t know. It is unknowable. Yes, it is a matter of faith, faith alone, whether this is murder or the same as having a mole removed. Stop acting like you know when you don’t.
Heartbeat, brain waves, BFD. So did that ant carcass that I just flicked off my shoe heel.
tommylotto on December 12, 2007 at 9:17 PM
An ant and a human? Really?
That’s taking moral equivalence a bit too far.
Slublog on December 12, 2007 at 9:23 PM
Isn’t that presumptuous of you….
tommylotto on December 12, 2007 at 9:26 PM
True. After all, we have no idea what a human sperm and a human egg might create.
Could be a duck, or a platypus for all we know.
Slublog on December 12, 2007 at 9:27 PM
He’s an admitted liar, so I think he’s lying about having “great satisfaction”. Unless he’s totally psycho, he must feel at least some guilt after killing child after child after child…
jgapinoy on December 12, 2007 at 9:27 PM
That is true. But geneology in the scriptures are given as ‘she conceived and bear [a son]‘. Conception is noted.
Spirit of 1776 on December 12, 2007 at 9:34 PM
OK genius, now take a shot at justifying partial-birth abortion. Surely you’ve come prepared, right?
fiatboomer on December 12, 2007 at 9:40 PM
That was my point when I pondered whether you have a soul. I believe you do. I also believe embryos have souls. Neither belief can be proven.
Ugly on December 12, 2007 at 9:40 PM
You sound so strident and tough, are you saying you believe the bible to be literally true? Not to mention the fact that your initial statement supposes that life begins when God breathes life into “it”…
There is no chance that what you “scraped off your shoe” will ever become human, create, invent and live to be exceptionally human…to equate the two is flat-out dumb…AND your last post basically refuted your entire arguement and proves my first post that you were just shock-jockin’, so YOU shut up.
ColdBore76 on December 12, 2007 at 9:53 PM
‘License to lie’ is not taken out of context here. The good doctor refers to his lying to people about what the state says, then relates to his habitual lying about what procedures individuals in his profession perform and lying about a patient’s condition. However, he then claims that doing so is not as easy as it once was since patients are now more educated because of ‘CNN’ and the internet.
Anyone claiming ‘out of context’ should actually listen to the video and do the read along on this POS.
TinMan13 on December 12, 2007 at 9:55 PM
No need to get all biblical, let’s hop in the wayback machine to the year 1953. Watson and Crick discover DNA. Using something godless heathens like elgeneralisimo call science.
The clump of cells, while not an inaccurate description, is also a distinct organism unto itself. Until it, as with everything else, cannot maintain cellular reproduction, it is alive…
elgeneralisimo on December 12, 2007 at 10:05 PM
Everyone who wasn’t a fetus at one point please raise your hand.
:::crickets chirping:::
spec_ops_mateo on December 12, 2007 at 10:15 PM
tommylotto,
How old are you? At your age we can’t detect a soul either. That means by your logic you are nothing more than a mass of cells. Can I kill you? Can I torture you then kill you? What about cracking your skull open and sucking your brain out?
No? Why not? We can’t detect a soul in you either….
Tim Burton on December 12, 2007 at 10:31 PM
“License to lie”? I don’t know where he went to medical school, but what he says and does is unethical, according to everything I have learned in my training to become a physician. We are not to lie to our patients, but rather to tell them all the facts, and let them decide for themselves what is right for them. It is no longer up to the physician to decide for the patient what is best for them, but rather now for us to help educate them on all the facts, so they can decide what is right for themselves. The fact that he constantly lies to his patients is enough for him to be brought up on charges to lose his license to practice medicine, and this is what should happen to him. Besides that point, back to the abortion part, there are many, many physicians who interpret the ethical obligation of physicians to not ever be involved in ending life of any kind, this has to do with the oath every doctor takes to “First, do no harm”. This applies to abortion, but also to being involved in state-sanctioned executions, and in euthanasia/doctor assisted suicide. I feel personally that doctors such as this man are a despicable examples of what physicians can become.
Trtle2001 on December 12, 2007 at 10:33 PM
Actually the heartbeat can be detected at 6 weeks. I know I saw my daughter’s heartbeat then. Same heart that beats in her 19 yr old chest today. Same heart. Same child.
Maybe Bryan can’t say it, but I will. This is evil. Evil as in “gas chambers of the holocaust” evil. As in “lynching a black man” evil. As in “raping a child” evil.
Are you getting it? EVIL.
I don’t care about the politics of it. I don’t care about when the sould enters the body. I don’t care who or what country makes it legal. And I don’t care what any of you think that can’t see that a beautiful human child resides in a mother’s womb and in abortion is brutally destroyed by men like the one in the video above.
There are not many people I would say this about, but imo, he and other abortionists will burn in the darkest deepest depths of hell unless they repents.
There, I said it.
I feel so much better.
Rightwingsparkle on December 12, 2007 at 10:34 PM
If not, why can’t we kill him?
Tim Burton on December 12, 2007 at 10:34 PM
Sorry for the typos. Angry and was typing fast.
Rightwingsparkle on December 12, 2007 at 10:35 PM
Rightwingsparkle, I agree with you, typos and all!
reine.de.tout on December 12, 2007 at 10:41 PM
Try Here
ITookTheRedPill on December 12, 2007 at 10:49 PM
Tommy, do you have an equally hard time answering the question, “When does pregnancy begin?”
ITookTheRedPill on December 12, 2007 at 10:51 PM
Just for fun, Tommy, let’s try just a little more logic…
DNA evidence has become increasingly important in establishing guilt or innocence in court cases. DNA uniquely identifies individuals.
Now, when was your unique DNA (your unique biological identity) established?
ITookTheRedPill on December 12, 2007 at 10:55 PM
So now having a genetic code makes you a living human being?
What is a soul? I’d like if someone could define it for me without flowery quotes from the Bible.
Nonfactor on December 12, 2007 at 11:01 PM
Yes.
Bob's Kid on December 12, 2007 at 11:08 PM
…I was a Trekkie. Once.
Ugly on December 12, 2007 at 11:25 PM
Interesting question
Ugly on December 12, 2007 at 11:26 PM
amen, rws.
AdrianG on December 13, 2007 at 12:07 AM
My wife was pregnant twice. The first time I was hoping for a redwood tree…we needed a new deck. All we got was a baby. The second time around I was hoping for puppy….nothing like a good guard dog….but again all we got was a baby. Go figure.
Limerick on December 13, 2007 at 12:11 AM
Dude – you need to pressure treat that stuff the first time around. It’s painful, but hey.
erik on December 13, 2007 at 12:16 AM
If my wife ever passed a redwood tree; I don’t think I’d ever have sex with her again. I’d feel totally inadequate.
lorien1973 on December 13, 2007 at 12:28 AM
But you planted the seed.
erik on December 13, 2007 at 12:38 AM
If a human being, in a womb, is a lifeless, soulless clump of cells, then so are you. I think we can all agree that you are pretty soulless at this point.
jjjen on December 13, 2007 at 12:39 AM
Go to your doctor and demand that they lop off one of your perfectly good fingers, and for some reason, they say no.
Go to a doctor needing a diseased organ removed, and they will tell you ALL of the potential ramifications of the procedure, the side effects, the drawbacks, the risks of the surgery, etc.
Go to a “family planning clinic” and tell them you want a perfectly healthy “thing” removed, and the doctor will do it.
Weird, how we got to this point legally, and morally.
Weird and sad.
OneEyedJack on December 13, 2007 at 12:40 AM
After the fetus develops blood – about 3 weeks – there is no question about “life” according to the Bible.
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Shedding innocent blood has major consequences.
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In 2 Kings:4 “shedding innocent blood” is given as a major reason for God destroying Jerusalem.
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And, Yes, I believe America is in danger because of increasing immorality and abortion – regardless of who gets elected.
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— How do you make a link?
roydee43 on December 13, 2007 at 12:43 AM
Asking us to define a thing you yourself cannot define means that you cannot dispute the definition that you request, and the terms you list are just as arbitrary as those you protest, therefore begging the question that your set up attempts to refute.
TinMan13 on December 13, 2007 at 1:56 AM
In other words you aren’t going to.
Nonfactor on December 13, 2007 at 3:19 AM
FAITH.
Ugly on December 13, 2007 at 3:39 AM
Abortion kills a human being. Period. One needn’t believe in souls to notice the obvious.
BKennedy on December 13, 2007 at 6:32 AM
I think the depth of that comment was lost. Rather parablistic of you.
- The Cat
MirCat on December 13, 2007 at 7:09 AM
Who are these people laughing in the background??
you know, it’s a good thing that people can find education about abortion somewhere. You certainly won’t get it from the MSM.
I became prolife only after I was educated in biology and also the abortion procedures themselves.
Jewels on December 13, 2007 at 8:15 AM
If the Bible doesn’t work for you, try Plato. He had some interesting thoughts on the soul as what defines a person – the body’s controlling force.
Slublog on December 13, 2007 at 8:21 AM
Clearly, neither can you.
Is the fallacious logic your request is based upon not readily apparent to you? Let me help you: The very concept of soul is a religious construct, therefore to discuss it out of that context and without using the original source material makes the conversation irrelevant.
And nothing is going to vindicate the ‘doctor’ in the above clip: He is still a willingly admitted liar.
TinMan13 on December 13, 2007 at 8:26 AM
Mr. Tommylotto:
How very idiotic of you. I said NOTHING about a soul. I am talking about physical development – heart pumping after 10 days, nerves developed, etc., shortly thereafter.
You’re the one making silly assumptions.
Mommynator on December 13, 2007 at 10:26 AM
So? You’ve only proven that mankind values the life of other humans more than it values to life of insects and animals.
Go to a steakhouse if you want further proof.
Even though most don’t agree that animals have souls, we still have laws against causing undue harm to them. Our laws are not based on who/what does and does not have a soul.
And if scientifically proving a thing has a soul qualifies that thing to not be have its life taken, then maybe we were wrong to execute Tookie. Maybe Mumia should be released. Death row is suddenly irrelevant.
Asking when the fetus gets a soul is the stupidest argument for abortion that I’ve ever had the displeasure to read or hear in my entire life.
The most common argument is that something is not life if it cannot think, kinda a take off of the “I think therefore I am” quote. That one at least has the opportunity to prove that other people are in fact alive.
Why is this even relevant? Let’s just say, for argument’s sake, that souls do not exist, that nothing exists in us aside from genetics and brain waves. Then what?
Esthier on December 13, 2007 at 11:36 AM
I didn’t know the topic of a soul would become such a contentious subject. Someone asked if a soul existed and I asked to define a soul. Nobody has so far; except for when Slublog paraphrased Plato.
Nonfactor on December 13, 2007 at 12:13 PM
My tone is not meant to be taken with any acrimony. I simply do not understand why the question is relevant.
I’ve seen people explain the soul in terms of philosophers, biblical theologians and even Jiminy Cricket.
Many believe that there is something unique about us that has nothing to do with basic mechanics. Otherwise, we’re just extremely sophisticated robots.
But even if we are nothing more than extremely complicated robots, our governments will still make laws concerning the legality of mistreating us if only for base instincts like self preservation. The existence or nonexistence of a soul shouldn’t change the discussion.
Esthier on December 13, 2007 at 12:38 PM
You all are getting very emotional about a topic that cannot be known and cannot be answered by reference to scriptures or science and philosophy and law are inconclusive — unless you accept decisions like Roe v. Wade as the law. Science has developed to the point that a full living breathing thinking feeling human being can be created from a few skin cells scraped off my arm. Do I commit murder every time I scratch my butt?
You all have emotional beliefs that are frankly way out of step with the rest of the country and the planet. Check the polls. Those holding your belief that abortion is murder hovers at or below 20%. Sure people want limits, etc., but those who believe life begins at conception and it’s murder to end its life can only be described as a radical fringe.
tommylotto on December 13, 2007 at 2:40 PM
No one’s arguing that you commit murder when you jack off either, so this is a ridiculous statement.
And what if people had accepted that abortion was illegal before Roe? The decision is barely old enough for social security, and you’re acting like it’s too precious to be argued against.
You’re really coming off as extremely ill-informed, so much so I’m having a hard time accepting that you’re being sincere. Surely you jest.
Esthier on December 13, 2007 at 2:54 PM
Take a bite out of these numbers.
I’m sure you’ll find some numbers to spin. But look at the numbers of people who think that life begins at conception and the fetus has a true right to life just like any other person. Those numbers are in the teens or low twenties.
tommylotto on December 13, 2007 at 3:40 PM
tommylotto,
You’re woefully ignorant of science. NO ONE has been able to clone a human being, and no one has used skin cells (which are effectively dead) when cloning animals. At any rate, a skin cell is not a zygote i.e. by itself it will never develop into anything but a skin cell, so saying we liken it to murder is just plain silly.
IMO, speculating about when or if a soul enters a human fetus is a waste of time since that is unknowable by science, but it is useful to determine at what point a human fetus is a living human being. I think this is something that should be informed by science (e.g. when the heart beat and brain waves begin), not by lawyers who don’t know jack about biology in general. I’m not in favor personally of abortions at any stage, but I think that late term abortions should definitely be limited to those cases where the life of the mother is in danger. Anything less than that is infanticide.
drflykilla on December 13, 2007 at 4:42 PM
Did you even read anything at the link you provided me?
This comes straight from your own link.
78% of those who were asked believe life begins sometime inside the womb. 55% (also known as more than half of those who were polled) of those were asked said that life begins at conception.
Esthier on December 13, 2007 at 5:30 PM
tommylotto:
Here’s your scripture on life beginning in the womb. It’s from Psalms 139:
13 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;your works are wonderful, I know that full well.
15 My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth,
16 your eyes saw my unformed body.All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.
How can a clump of lifeless, soulless cells be known by God and have all its days ordained for it?
my2cents on December 14, 2007 at 12:07 PM