Open thread: The Huckabee pile-on debate! Video: Keyes hijacks the debate; Video: GOP refuses a show of hands on global warming; Video: Fred on the NEA

posted at 1:35 pm on December 12, 2007 by Allahpundit

Live from Iowa, 2 p.m. ET. Last chance for Mitt to turn back the tide and for Fred to remind people he’s still running. What’s the line of attack? Dumond and the clemencies? Huck’s Gitmo reversal? The ’92 AIDS snafu? The Fair Tax? And does Mitt dare smack him on religion knowing that evangelicals are already flocking to him?

Fox News will be carrying it. If you’re at work, catch the stream at the Des Moines Register’s website.

Update: A sneak preview of the media, circa June 2008, if trends continue: “Huckabee the Caveman.”

Update: Dean Barnett e-mails, “If I were Huckabee, I’d apologize for the Jesus and Satan being brothers remark directly to Mitt, and then walk over and extend his hand. If he does that, he’ll be unbeatable.”

Update: Here’s Keyes, who’s been insufferably pompous and off topic throughout the debate, hijacking the global warming question and setting up Fred for a laugh line.

Update: More Keyes. He’s a grotesque parody of a religious conservative.

Update: And here’s Fred taking a stand on dopey show-of-hands questions.

Update: The most crowd-pleasing answer from an otherwise dull debate.


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Frank Luntz is showing that Iowa voters consider Mitt the winner and I would have to agree. He is clearly the most Presidential man on that stage.

davenp35 on December 12, 2007 at 3:44 PM

One word to describe the moderator?

Three words and question mark:

The Hillary Plant?

terryannonline on December 12, 2007 at 3:45 PM

Vizzini on December 12, 2007 at 3:44 PM

thanks

bnelson44 on December 12, 2007 at 3:46 PM

Paul…Keyes…Rudy..lost supporters (Rudy got punked)

Huck…pandering….lost a LOT of supporters in IA.

Hunter/McCain/Tanc…..dead even

Mitt/Fred….split up Huck losses

Limerick on December 12, 2007 at 3:46 PM

Frank Luntz is showing that Iowa voters consider Mitt the winner and I would have to agree. He is clearly the most Presidential man on that stage.

davenp35 on December 12, 2007 at 3:44 PM

Yea, nice suit and haircut.

bnelson44 on December 12, 2007 at 3:46 PM

Once again, smooth delivery, pandering, shallow answers and nice hair win over the masses. Who cares what they actually said? As long as they look good saying it!

I’m starting to think that approximately 80% of the public isn’t qualified to vote, or at least shouldn’t be.

Hollowpoint on December 12, 2007 at 3:48 PM

GO FRED! He finally had a GREAT debate. He has had another good one, but this was decisively won by him this time.

1. Fred
2. Hunter
3. Mitt

msipes on December 12, 2007 at 3:48 PM

Nightly news highlights….

All Keyes slapping on the moderator. Fred’s remarks will get ZERO play.

Limerick on December 12, 2007 at 3:49 PM

I think Fred could walk away with the victory if he shouts out an “OH SNAP” after Keyes’ next outburst.

unamused on December 12, 2007 at 2:50 PM

LMAO!!

Theworldisnotenough on December 12, 2007 at 3:49 PM

bnelson44 on December 12, 2007 at 3:46 PM

Don’t cry because it wasn’t your guy. I like the candidates in this order:

1)Romney
2)Thompson

Whoever gets nominated, however, I will vote for in the general.

davenp35 on December 12, 2007 at 3:50 PM

Ok, I watched this on Fox and was impressed with the moments that Fred did get to say anything at all.

Mitt did well, but Luntz’s panel had him winning almost to a person. I tend to agree with Brit’s panel, who immediately siezed on the ridiculously vitriolic moderator. The concensus there was that nobody really wins when the moderator is so stifling. I think someone in Luntz’s panel may have used “Nurse Ratched” to describe her. Correctly.

Basically no counter to attacks were allowed..and when she says 30 seconds she means it, Buster! All it meant was that the viewer got no real new information out of this debate.

serpentineshel on December 12, 2007 at 3:52 PM

Don’t cry because it wasn’t your guy.

davenp35 on December 12, 2007 at 3:50 PM

Well, “my guy” is McCain, and it is never him. My 2nd guy is Rudy and Iowa isn’t his state. So I’m not crying.

bnelson44 on December 12, 2007 at 3:53 PM

I’m starting to think that approximately 80% of the public isn’t qualified to vote, or at least shouldn’t be.

Just out of curiosity, would that be same as the 80% that shouldn’t have guns?

Spirit of 1776 on December 12, 2007 at 3:53 PM

serpentineshel on December 12, 2007 at 3:52 PM

Fred would probably do well if he ever started to really campaign.

bnelson44 on December 12, 2007 at 3:54 PM

The Hillary Plant?

terryannonline on December 12, 2007 at 3:45 PM

Yeah, a Venus Flytrap

Brat on December 12, 2007 at 3:55 PM

Once again, smooth delivery, pandering, shallow answers and nice hair win over the masses. Who cares what they actually said? As long as they look good saying it!

I’m starting to think that approximately 80% of the public isn’t qualified to vote, or at least shouldn’t be.

Hollowpoint on December 12, 2007 at 3:48 PM

Who knew? Silky has had the right strategy all along. It’s all about the hair, baby!

“He LOOKS the most presidential.” Scary, stupid reason for choosing whom to vote for.

If that’s any indication, it’s going to be Edwards vs. Romney in the general. Battle of the Pretty Boys.

aero on December 12, 2007 at 3:56 PM

Fred backhanded the bee-otch moderator when she dissed him. Kudos Fred. We want more of that fire against the liberal elites who pull their agenda driven crap in these debates.

roninacreage on December 12, 2007 at 3:58 PM

Just out of curiosity, would that be same as the 80% that shouldn’t have guns?

Spirit of 1776 on December 12, 2007 at 3:53 PM

No, 90% should have guns. If the crap hits the fan, then they can use them to “vote”. Otherwise, the 80% who vote based on a candidate’s religion, how good they look on TV or how smooth they deliver their scripted lines should just stay home and let the informed people vote.

Hollowpoint on December 12, 2007 at 3:59 PM

serpentineshel on December 12, 2007 at 3:52 PM

Yeah, 30 secs sucks. They should have 3 main issues, 2 mins per candidate, with a blistering followup allowed by a randomly selected candidate. I’d rather have more in-depth discussion on key issues than skimming the surface with the usual talking points on the usual variety of issues.

RW Wacko on December 12, 2007 at 3:59 PM

1. Fred
2. Mitt
3. Tanc

hinduconservative on December 12, 2007 at 4:03 PM

Alan Keyes never answered a question directly. At no time did he ever say anything that resembled a rational thought. All of us are dumber for having listend to it. I award him no points, and may God have mercy on his soul.

Maybe he is a Ron Paul plant so he wont look like the worse candidate.

El Guapo on December 12, 2007 at 4:03 PM

One word to describe the moderator?

abinitioadinfinitum on December 12, 2007 at 3:36 PM

The Beltway Boys were pretty rough:

Fred Barns: “Nurse Ratchet”
Mort Gasbag: “school marm”

forest on December 12, 2007 at 4:03 PM

RW Wacko,

I’d like that as well. I hated to see Tancredo’s question to Huckabee there at the end go unanswered…

serpentineshel on December 12, 2007 at 4:06 PM

RW Wacko on December 12, 2007 at 3:59 PM

I agree and they could have left all left wing agendas out all together, like man made global warming ect…

abinitioadinfinitum on December 12, 2007 at 4:09 PM

Hollowpoint on December 12, 2007 at 3:59 PM

Yeah. I’m just saying that the ‘uniformed’ argument swings both ways. If people are uneducated, let’s educate them. If people are unsafe [with guns] lets teach them to be safe.

Spirit of 1776 on December 12, 2007 at 4:10 PM

Huck just had a good interview with Cavuto.

infidel on December 12, 2007 at 4:12 PM

I agree and they could have left all left wing agendas out all together, like man made global warming ect…

abinitioadinfinitum

If you raise your hand you are saying you agree global warming is happening andman is responsible. But if you are among the few and proud educated who knows the earth will always go thru cycles no matter what and man cannot stop it but yet you still favor green technology (who WANTS to breath in car exhaust and smog?) and do not raise your hand, you look like someone who does not care about stopping pollution.

That was such a BS question!

El Guapo on December 12, 2007 at 4:14 PM

Yeah. I’m just saying that the ‘uniformed’ argument swings both ways. If people are uneducated, let’s educate them. If people are unsafe [with guns] lets teach them to be safe.

Spirit of 1776

The trouble with that from what i saw personally debating liberals is that when you try to educate them they think you are lying, twisting facts, giving a point of view instead of facts (even when you present facts), or they think you are trying to indoctrinate them.

They don’t want to be proven wrong therefor most refuse to learn. you cannot teach those who will not learn.

El Guapo on December 12, 2007 at 4:16 PM

talking truth is insulting to them (liberals) because it is nowadays not PC to prove someone wrong, no matter how tactful you are about it.

El Guapo on December 12, 2007 at 4:17 PM

I’m surprised that at some point she didn’t tell Paul or Keyes, “I’m sorry, you ARE the Weakest Link!”

Catseye on December 12, 2007 at 3:30 PM

LOL

peski on December 12, 2007 at 4:22 PM

El Guapo on December 12, 2007 at 4:16 PM

Sure, but you don’t even have to go to the left to get that. You can get this right here on HA. I think the best that can be done is to present an honest view and hope that it might mature…as it is famously said (paraphrased) if you aren’t lib in 20’s you’re heartless, conservative in 30’s brainless. Have to have some assumption of maturation among participants, but that is something that will rarely happen over night. So dialogue takes patience.

I am opposed firmly to the restriction of rights, whether it be guns or the vote, based on prejudice of education, etc. Though I imagine HP’s original post was humor.

Spirit of 1776 on December 12, 2007 at 4:23 PM

Obama’s followers are all home at 1pm to watch the tube, but we Conservatives are all working.

Hening on December 12, 2007 at 4:23 PM

Huck just said on CNN that he personally apologized to Romney after the debate.

Complete7 on December 12, 2007 at 4:25 PM

Who sent out the memo that “Global Warming” is now called “Global Climate change” anyway?

OR was it the realization that endless hurricanes did NOT show up this year wiping out the rest of New Orleans, ice sheets are growing, not universally shrinking, and that polor bears can in fact swim for miles in the open ocean and would not “drown” if ice sheets did retreat significantly?

Its just a question, I’m only asking a question here.

Neo on December 12, 2007 at 4:27 PM

Huck just said on CNN that he personally apologized to Romney after the debate.

Complete7 on December 12, 2007 at 4:25 PM

Good for him.

bnelson44 on December 12, 2007 at 4:31 PM

Yeah. I’m just saying that the ‘uniformed’ argument swings both ways. If people are uneducated, let’s educate them. If people are unsafe [with guns] lets teach them to be safe.

Spirit of 1776 on December 12, 2007 at 4:10 PM

You can lead a horse to water…

The information is all out there, but most don’t bother to listen and don’t care. “Oh, he looks so hansome and Presidential! And his joke was good! I’m voting for him!”

Sometimes I think we’re watching the Ms. America Pagent rather than an election campaign season.

Hollowpoint on December 12, 2007 at 4:32 PM

There is a shift underway.

Halley on December 12, 2007 at 4:34 PM

Neo on December 12, 2007 at 4:27 PM

I never heard that but since el Niño lost its scare then la Niña lost its scare now Global warming looks like the lie/scam that it is, with all the cold weather, I guess they have to call it something else.

abinitioadinfinitum on December 12, 2007 at 4:37 PM

I so wish that Fred! would get out more….He rocks!!

ChefJeff on December 12, 2007 at 4:44 PM

Okay, time for Fred and Mitt to go mano a mano…

right2bright on December 12, 2007 at 4:49 PM

Fred’s like a judo master … no impressive attacks, but try to do anything to him and you are on the floor before you know it.

RiverCocytus on December 12, 2007 at 4:49 PM

Alan Keyes never answered a question directly. At no time did he ever say anything that resembled a rational thought. All of us are dumber for having listend to it. I award him no points, and may God have mercy on his soul.

El Guapo on December 12, 2007 at 4:03 PM

Heh. On the plus side, today is Nudie Magazine Day.

ReubenJCogburn on December 12, 2007 at 4:57 PM

Who sent out the memo that “Global Warming” is now called “Global Climate change” anyway?
Neo on December 12, 2007 at 4:27 PM

The Global Warming Chicken Little crowd had to change it to Global Climate Change as a CYA move.

Gets warmer? Global warming climate change.
Gets colder? Global warming climate change.
Floods? Global warming climate change.
Drought? Global warming climate change.
Snow? Global warming climate change.
Lack of snow? Global warming climate change.
Your sister got knocked up? Global warming climate change.

Hollowpoint on December 12, 2007 at 5:12 PM

When is the cable rebroadcast tonight – anyone know?

JDinSC on December 12, 2007 at 5:22 PM

When is the cable rebroadcast tonight – anyone know?

JDinSC on December 12, 2007 at 5:22 PM

They’re going to have video of the whole broadcast at the DesMoines Register.

MsUnderestimated on December 12, 2007 at 5:50 PM

Fred! rocked the house with that NEA answer.

Most presidential indeed!

omnipotent on December 12, 2007 at 5:51 PM

MsUnderestimated on December 12, 2007 at 5:50 PM

Thanks.

omnipotent on December 12, 2007 at 5:51 PM

Totally agree, from what I saw. Taking apart that wretched moderator was a much needed step as well.

JDinSC on December 12, 2007 at 5:58 PM

I’d give the edge to Fred, with Romney holding his own.

That moderator was simply dreadful.

sulla on December 12, 2007 at 6:20 PM

Just caught ABC WWN broadcast…

‘There was a Republican debate in Iowa. Everyone was expected to attack the front runner, Mike Huckabee, but it didn’t happen’…

That’s it…..the whole story. Not one sound bite.

Limerick on December 12, 2007 at 6:45 PM

Limerick, ABC didn’t mention the Fred slap?

Good on Fred for knocking the media-monkey-business. He might not make it but a few morsels will remain, for history’s sake.

Entelechy on December 12, 2007 at 7:26 PM

Geez, now I know why it took us an hour into the debate to get an open thread over at AoS — Slublog was slumming over here.

mesablue on December 12, 2007 at 7:32 PM

Fred’s gotta build on this pronto. I don’t want Schmuckabee, and not that Hillary! is imploding, Guiliani’s reason to run has evaporated.

Iblis on December 12, 2007 at 7:49 PM

Ya see why the Fred heads are behind him. He did great. Imagine that kind of confidence in international negotiations.

Mojave Mark on December 12, 2007 at 7:56 PM

He’s a grotesque parody of a religious conservative.

Why is that?? Because he’s mad at politicians and the media?? Because he has real convictions and a solid understanding of our freedoms and constitution?? Because he’s a Christian who won’t go away and just shut up?? I would think that a man like Keyes probably is the most trust worthy conservative up there! God,, if only more Americans were as angry and determined and inspired with the love of this nation that he displays! If even half the nation had half of his understanding of our history and liberty!! You can disagree with him or say he has little chance,,, but to mock him,, well,,, I just do not understand that at all.

JellyToast on December 12, 2007 at 7:56 PM

Ms.E…
Nope, ABC did nothing on it other then say there was a debate. NPR, McNeil/Leher, cut it also. They put in the spot where Fred said he wasn’t going to show hands, but cut the part where the moderator challenged him and he said ‘then I refuse to answer the question(sic)’. But they made sure to mention that Huckabee was the Republican front runner and that Keyes was combative.

Limerick on December 12, 2007 at 8:10 PM

Why is that?? Because he’s mad at politicians and the media?? Because he has real convictions and a solid understanding of our freedoms and constitution?? Because he’s a Christian who won’t go away and just shut up?? I would think that a man like Keyes probably is the most trust worthy conservative up there! God,, if only more Americans were as angry and determined and inspired with the love of this nation that he displays! If even half the nation had half of his understanding of our history and liberty!! You can disagree with him or say he has little chance,,, but to mock him,, well,,, I just do not understand that at all.

JellyToast on December 12, 2007 at 7:56 PM

Alan Keyes is a man threw his own daughter, Maya, out of his house because she is a lesbian. His daughter is going to an Brown University, an Ivy League school. It’s exactly this type of blind hatred of anyone slightly different why some people don’t like extreme religious conservatives.

thuja on December 12, 2007 at 8:12 PM

Geez, now I know why it took us an hour into the debate to get an open thread over at AoS — Slublog was slumming over here.

mesablue on December 12, 2007 at 7:32 PM

Community standards here at HA require all AoS rogues to wipe your feet at the door. just sayin……..

sonnyspats1 on December 12, 2007 at 8:27 PM

Fred! is the man!
He’s got the most detailed, substantive, conservative policy positions, as well as the fewest gimmicks.

jgapinoy on December 12, 2007 at 8:33 PM

Limerick on December 12, 2007 at 8:10 PM

Thanks for the update Limerick. Sounds just like them, ‘objective’ all the way. Best regards,

Entelechy on December 12, 2007 at 8:42 PM

Whoever wins…. We gotta have Tanc and Hunter in office.
One MUST be VP and the other MUST be DHS boss.

shooter on December 12, 2007 at 8:44 PM

I’ve always loved Keyes and think he’d be a great president. I’ve been dying for a chance to prove Liberals wrong about gender and race issues and HE would be a great choice for that too. Unfortunately, he’s not running and shouldn’t have even been there. That was like allowing Joe Lieberman to participate in a Dem debate, knowing he wasn’t running and that he’d embarrass the Dems as a whole.

I’m strongly for a Fred-Mitt ticket. Fred’s only president material and Mitt would be a great VP >>> POTUS. Think of the clout he could build while the VP for a man like Fred. Mormon issues would be easy to lay to rest and the fact that he, along with all other candidates, EXCEPT FRED, has had to move right to compete nationally.

Rugged Individual on December 12, 2007 at 10:34 PM

Fred nailed it.

The NEA: Public enemy number 1.

mylegsareswollen on December 13, 2007 at 12:02 AM

You know, before this debate I was really on the fence, just couldn’t make up my mind. But now, after that incredible debate, I feel completely informed on the differences between the canidates, seems like I really got to know them. Gosh, I don’t know about y’all but, I’m starting to get the feeling Alan Keyes is a Christian and Rudy G. was in NYC on 9-11.
In this day and age we can’t come up with a better forum fer debate. Why don’t they run a live debate thread, @the RNC website (er somewhere), just the seven er eight of them, all d*mn day, no specific topics, just one long*ss anything goes thread, they can stay at home in their jammies and type.
These canidates are hoping for the presidency right, pretty demanding job eh, so they ought to be able to handle an in-person 4hour live round-table debate, maybe a half hour break inda middle. Most americans average what, an eight hour work day, they can handle it, they better be able to handle it(I bet Huck&Mcain&Rudy would love a solid hour on immigration, answering Tancs attacks).
The Mission Impossible people must have worked overtime on Hillarys disguise, she did do a good job ruining the debate as moderator(and those pants, looked like chaps with a backdoor). Only she could make repeated “thankYou’s” sound so insincere,(you notice her man-crush on wRONgPAUL, giving him all the time).
I still like Fred, thought he did best, considering the time he was allowed by a woman scorned.

christophercube on December 13, 2007 at 12:16 AM