Your Arrogant Media Outlet of the Day: The Ventura County Star

posted at 8:01 am on December 11, 2007 by Patterico

The Ventura County Star is my nominee for Arrogant Big Media Goon of the Day.

The paper earns this coveted title by deep-sixing comments to an op-ed piece penned by the paper’s editor — and then, when people questioned the deletions, killing the comments altogether . . . and pretending like they never existed to begin with.

Savor the arrogance.

The details come courtesy of blogger (and Ventura County Deputy D.A.) Mike Lief, with a supporting role from our own See Dubya.

The op-ed in question blasted the Ventura County D.A. for his battle against a judge who has been giving sweet deals to Ventura misdemeanants, to clear out a backlog of misdemeanor cases. In response, a commenter calling himself “bob100″ took issue with a number of the op-ed’s asserted facts. bob100′s comment was not profane or offensive. My Hot Air colleague described bob100′s comment in this way at the Junkyard Blog:

The comment was courteous and extremely relevant. Having read it, I felt like I understood both sides of this conflict a little better.

The harshest thing bob100 said was when he called the op-ed “irresponsible and incorrect” — which it most certainly was, if bob100′s facts were correct.

Mike Lief had a feeling that bob100′s comment was not long for this world, so he took a screenshot of the comment — just in case. When Mike’s prophecy was fulfilled, and the comment was deleted, Mike wrote this post, quoting the entirety of bob100′s comment and criticizing the paper for deleting it.

That was bad enough, and I wrote a post yesterday morning at my own blog, mocking the paper for deleting criticism. I encouraged my readers to toddle on over to the Ventura County Star‘s op-ed, and leave their own comment asking the editor just what in the world was going on.

When I left for work, the bottom of the op-ed looked like this:

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A couple of commenters followed up on my suggestion. A fellow calling himself “laddy” said:

Deleting comments generally indicates you may have something to hide from the rest of us.

And the aforementioned See Dubya left a link to Mike Lief’s post (which quoted bob100′s comment). See Dubya added that the deletion of bob100′s comment

looks Orwellian, and does a disservice to readers interested in both sides of the story.

Whereupon the editors of the Star said: Ha! You think that’s Orwellian? You ain’t seen nothin’ yet!

And then, they proceeded to delete laddy’s comment, and See Dubya’s comment. They also removed their previous notation about the removal of bob100′s comment. In fact, they zapped out of existence any indication that the op-ed had ever allowed comments, and removed the comment box so that no further comments could be left. There was no explanation for any of this. All that remained was blank space at the end of the op-ed. Here’s how it looks right now:

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Please note what remains:

Joe R. Howry is editor of The Star. He can be reached by phone at 437-0200 [805 area code -- Ed.] or by e-mail at jhowry@VenturaCountyStar.com.

Joe Howry thinks you won’t notice any of this. Why not drop him a line to let him know you did?

UPDATE: Editor Joe Howry has left a comment on his op-ed, apologizing for the removal of the comments, and stating that the comments were removed without his knowledge or authorization. Several comments have been restored.

He also blames the deletion in part on “inappropriate language” in comments. This is disingenuous, as several comments noted in the links above contain no inappropriate language — unless, of course, Howry considers it “inappropriate” to simply disagree with his op-ed.

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I sent a message saying, “If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.”

Qzsusy on December 11, 2007 at 8:05 AM

How dare you question your MSM overlords! Look a cute and fuzzy bunny!

Neo on December 11, 2007 at 8:14 AM

The first ammendment freedom is only for the msm. Silly people, they are elite and have fancy degrees from universities. They know what is best for you dont question it.

elBarto on December 11, 2007 at 8:25 AM

Soooo,this sounds like a Golem from the Lord
of the Rings.
Yes we deletes it,
no no,we must not deletes it.hehe

canopfor on December 11, 2007 at 8:37 AM

Soooo,this sounds like a Golem from the Lord
of the Rings.
Yes we deletes it,
no no,we must not deletes it.hehe

That was my second big laugh for the day. Thank you.

Seriously, though, the editor must think we’re completely brainless.

Mommynator on December 11, 2007 at 8:42 AM

I invited Joe to consider the possibility that he was right, and let the readers hear another view, confident in his own position.

Yeah…right.

Jaibones on December 11, 2007 at 9:35 AM

canopfor on December 11, 2007 at 8:37 AM

Comments? They burns us! They freezes us!

ZK on December 11, 2007 at 9:39 AM

canopfor on December 11, 2007 at 8:37 AM

Fat, nasty commenters’s! We hates them! THblblblb!

Frozen Tex on December 11, 2007 at 9:48 AM

The editors’ mind trick.

“These are not the droids comments you are looking for.”

forest on December 11, 2007 at 9:50 AM

Bottom lime is they really don’t care.

bbz123 on December 11, 2007 at 10:00 AM

I wonder what Howry’s position is on the destruction of those CIA tapes…

My guess is he’d be one of the first to be outraged if documents were destroyed or “disappeared” down someones pants or something… or maybe not?

taznar on December 11, 2007 at 11:36 AM

The deleted comment seems to have returned.

Kini on December 11, 2007 at 12:02 PM

Kini–

Some of them returned. Not the ones that mention their attempted coverup. Like mine.

see-dubya on December 11, 2007 at 12:06 PM

Well well. My comment just came back. Is that all of them, I wonder?

see-dubya on December 11, 2007 at 12:18 PM

Is this going to get blamed on a computer glitch?

forest on December 11, 2007 at 12:49 PM

see-dub,

I just checked the site and your comment isn’t there (or viewable by me) although mine seems present. I wonder what’s going on now.

Laddy on December 11, 2007 at 12:57 PM

Living where I do, the Ventura County Star is one of my local neighborhood papers. Its basically fishwrap. They’ve been deleting comments for quite some time. I never bother with them. Glad someone finally noticed.

Andy in Agoura Hills on December 11, 2007 at 1:03 PM

I just checked the site and your comment isn’t there (or viewable by me) although mine seems present. I wonder what’s going on now.

Laddy on December 11, 2007 at 12:57 PM

Folks, this is the insidious software that Charles at LGF talked about a couple weeks back. Only YOU can see YOUR comments, no one else can. Therefore, it does not look like the comments where deleted, but they really were.

Andy in Agoura Hills on December 11, 2007 at 1:04 PM

Joe Howry is feeling the heat. Keep the flames under his derrière. I did my part, elegantly.

Entelechy on December 11, 2007 at 1:05 PM

Andy–that’s exactly it, and I just proved it with screencaps.

Entelechy, Laddy, if you guys commented there, I can’t see it–logged in or not.

How dumb does this guy think we are?

see-dubya on December 11, 2007 at 1:28 PM

I just called the Mr. Howry’s number. Apparently he is in a “closed door meeting” right now.

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Unfortunately, this type of thing is very common at newspapers during this era of convergence. As media merge and newspapers embrace technology, they invariably run head first into the thing that they have NEVER had to really handle – instant accountability.

It was much more painless to run corrections on A2 or below the masthead than it is to be excoriated in front of the WWW within hours of an article going live.

The Race Card on December 11, 2007 at 2:43 PM

BUSTED. Cue internet drama.

see-dubya on December 11, 2007 at 2:55 PM