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Huh? Founder of Minuteman Project endorses … Huckabee? Update: Huck 39, Mitt 23 in Iowa, says Rasmussen

posted at 1:35 pm on December 11, 2007 by Allahpundit
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And why not? What better choice for a border enforcer than a guy known for blaming opposition to comprehensive immigration reform on “racism or nativism”?

Snowed in, the Mike Huckabee campaign cancelled his morning events and organized an impromptu news conference where he received the endorsement of Jim Gilchrist, the founder of the anti-illegal immigration Minuteman Project.

Huckabee accused the federal government of “failing” to put together an immigration policy where people “come through the front door, not the back door” and live with their “head held up high. Calling the “amnesty of the 1980s” a “miserable failure,” Huckabee said “we’ve created” a “society where people are forced into hiding.”

Gilchrist said he had been made aware of Huckabee’s plan a month ago and Huckabee said the endorsement had nothing to do with Romney’s new ad criticizing him on the immigration issue and was merely “providential.”

Do note: The Minuteman Project is distinct from the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, the group led by Chris Simcox that patrols the border. The MP is the one that got rushed at Columbia and which accused Bush of … throwing the 2006 election in order to make it easier to push amnesty through Congress. Good work, Huck.

Via MM, a nod from the candidate at his more nuanced past:

“Frankly, Jim I’ve got to tell you there were times in the early days of the Minutemen I thought what are these guys doing, what are they about,” Huckabee said. “I confess I owe you an apology.” He said of Gilchrist, “nobody can question his commitment to his country.”

Exit question: Is it really this simple? Just lift a few bullet points from Mark Krikorian and the slate is clean?

Update: Perhaps I was hasty in pronouncing Rudy the most shameless panderer on immigration. Via Slublog, June 30, 2005: “Huckabee promotes ‘open door’ policy at LULAC convention.”

“Do unto others as you would have others do unto you,” Huckabee said, citing the Golden Rule. “I have tried to govern that way and it stands to reason that I really do believe that what made this great country so great and so unique is that it has always been a place for people to run to – and not run from.

Update: Last Friday’s Newsweek poll was no outlier. He’s starting to run away with Iowa, and already leads in South Carolina and Michigan. “Sixty-two percent (62%) of Evangelical Christians now support Hucakbee in Iowa.”

Update: Commenter bnelson flags this from the Ramussen analysis: “Thirty-two percent (32%) said that a candidates faith and religion is a Very Important factor when considering how to vote. That figure jumps to 54% among Huckabee supporters. Just 18% of Romney supporters share that view.”


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NEWT!!!!!! NOW!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on December 11, 2007 at 1:38 PM

Well, we all want to reform the INS.

see-dubya on December 11, 2007 at 1:38 PM

Ok I totally fail at this interweb posting business. I give up.

bj1126 on December 11, 2007 at 1:40 PM

So someone who is in the category of those whom The High Reverend Huckster called un-Christian, un-American and anti-life is endorsing him?

Did Chuck pay him a little visit or what?

MB4 on December 11, 2007 at 1:40 PM

Dread Pirate Roberts VI, indeed!

Mr. Gilchrist is amateurish and ignorant on his main issue!

Entelechy on December 11, 2007 at 1:41 PM

Huh. Interesting.

Slublog on December 11, 2007 at 1:41 PM

Well, we all want to reform the INS.

see-dubya on December 11, 2007 at 1:38 PM

*howl*

RushBaby on December 11, 2007 at 1:41 PM

Even less is working for Rudy.

I linked that in the Tancredo post. No one can touch Rudy for shamelessness on immigration.

Allahpundit on December 11, 2007 at 1:41 PM

Ok I totally fail at this interweb posting business. I give up.

bj1126 on December 11, 2007 at 1:40 PM

If I try to do anything with a computer, other than typing, there might be a nuclear incident.

But, don’t give up. You must be one with the computer. Become the computer.

OhEssYouCowboys on December 11, 2007 at 1:44 PM

Exit question: Is it really this simple? Just lift a few bullet points from Mark Krikorian and the slate is clean?

Sure, why not?

bnelson44 on December 11, 2007 at 1:44 PM

Did Chuck pay him a little visit or what?

MB4 on December 11, 2007 at 1:40 PM

Prolly

bnelson44 on December 11, 2007 at 1:44 PM

Well, we all want to reform the INS.

see-dubya on December 11, 2007 at 1:38 PM

Right after we isolate the AIDS patients and review the four-year-old NIE.

amerpundit on December 11, 2007 at 1:45 PM

Ok I totally fail at this interweb posting business. I give up.

bj1126 on December 11, 2007 at 1:40 PM

1a href=”web address goes here”2title goes here1/a2

Change 1 to less than sign and 2 to greater than sign.

MB4 on December 11, 2007 at 1:45 PM

Over at TVC, Dave Kopel had an insightful assessment of the implications of Huck’s Dual citizens provision of his flip-flop.

Dusty on December 11, 2007 at 1:46 PM

Become the computer.

OhEssYouCowboys on December 11, 2007 at 1:44 PM

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Couldn’t help it :)

Entelechy on December 11, 2007 at 1:46 PM

Minuteman Project contact info.

I guess I get to add to their hate mail now. Did someone put something in my coffee this morning?

NTWR on December 11, 2007 at 1:48 PM

I don’t understand any of this.

Isn’t Huckabee the guy who said God sent us the illegal aliens to make up for slavery? And isn’t he also the guy who said anyone who opposed his “tuition for illegals” plan was not a good Christian?

Isn’t Huckabee the guy who sent murderers over the wall if he thought they had been saved.

Isn’t Huckabee the guy who raised taxes in Arkansas?

I guess I’m dumber than I thought. It looks like Huckabee is the real conservative in this race and I just couldn’t figure that out.

jaime on December 11, 2007 at 1:49 PM

Let’s hope something good can spring from this nuttiness.

Entelechy on December 11, 2007 at 1:50 PM

I think I’m going to puke.

peski on December 11, 2007 at 1:50 PM

If I try to do anything with a computer, other than typing, there might be a nuclear incident.

But, don’t give up. You must be one with the computer. Become the computer.

OhEssYouCowboys on December 11, 2007 at 1:44 PM

1a href=”web address goes here”2title goes here1/a2

Change 1 to less than sign and 2 to greater than sign.

MB4 on December 11, 2007 at 1:45 PM

Thank you for your help and encouragement. To my shame I am an IT admin and web developer. I was just being extraordinarily sloppy.

bj1126 on December 11, 2007 at 1:51 PM

Ok I totally fail at this interweb posting business. I give up.

bj1126 on December 11, 2007 at 1:40 PM

Type the text you want people to click, highlight it and click “link” above your comment form. Enter the url and hit “enter”.

If you don’t have the “link button” above your comment form, click your username above the form, which will bring you here. Select “Use the visual editor when writing” and click “Update Profile”.

amerpundit on December 11, 2007 at 1:52 PM

Did Gilchrist have stroke or something? Shouldn’t he be behind Tanc or at least Hunter?

Frozen Tex on December 11, 2007 at 1:54 PM

Now, Huck’s not my main man in this race…but (and it’s still veeery early still) if he does succeed in being the GOP nominee, would that really be the worst thing that could happen?

We keep talking about Iowa and New Hampshire…but those states don’t put people in the White House. States like Cali and Florida do. And New York.

I think too many are getting too nervous too soon.

JetBoy on December 11, 2007 at 1:54 PM

I think it all boils down to the second syllable in Gilchrist’s name.

Zetterson on December 11, 2007 at 1:55 PM

Endoring this immigration lover? I don’t get it.

jaime on December 11, 2007 at 1:49 PM

I’m with you…

right2bright on December 11, 2007 at 1:55 PM

Thirty-two percent (32%) said that a candidates faith and religion is a Very Important factor when considering how to vote. That figure jumps to 54% among Huckabee supporters. Just 18% of Romney supporters share that view.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/iowa/republican_iowa_caucus

bnelson44 on December 11, 2007 at 1:55 PM

JetBoy, I’d rather we decide at the convention, than this.

Entelechy on December 11, 2007 at 1:56 PM

JetBoy on December 11, 2007 at 1:54 PM

I’d vote for Obama before voting for Huckabee. Obama’s lied to me less. That is not a good thing.

Zetterson on December 11, 2007 at 1:56 PM

Perhaps I was hasty in pronouncing Rudy the most shameless panderer on immigration. Via Slublog, June 30, 2005: “Huckabee promotes ‘open door’ policy at LULAC convention.”

The thing is, if you bother to take a look at Giuliani’s actual proposals on immigration, he’s not pandering. His position is pretty much the same as it always has been, including his support for some kind of amnesty once the border is enforced properly.

Big S on December 11, 2007 at 1:56 PM

I think too many are getting too nervous too soon.

JetBoy on December 11, 2007 at 1:54 PM

This two-year election cycle is killing me!!!

NTWR on December 11, 2007 at 1:56 PM

Now, Huck’s not my main man in this race…but (and it’s still veeery early still) if he does succeed in being the GOP nominee, would that really be the worst thing that could happen?

JetBoy on December 11, 2007 at 1:54 PM

Primaries begin in 3 weeks.

bnelson44 on December 11, 2007 at 1:56 PM

Please, please don’t let Huckabee be the GOP nomination….

Tyrs Fury on December 11, 2007 at 1:59 PM

I think too many are getting too nervous too soon.

JetBoy on December 11, 2007 at 1:54 PM

Too soon? It’s December 11th. The first primary is January 8th.

amerpundit on December 11, 2007 at 1:59 PM

Now, Huck’s not my main man in this race…but (and it’s still veeery early still) if he does succeed in being the GOP nominee, would that really be the worst thing that could happen?

We keep talking about Iowa and New Hampshire…but those states don’t put people in the White House. States like Cali and Florida do. And New York.

I think too many are getting too nervous too soon.

JetBoy on December 11, 2007 at 1:54 PM

No it wouldn’t be that bad. We’d basically get Bush but with ostensibly a tougher stance on immigration. We definitely would be worse off with a Democrat, especially Obama or Clinton.

bj1126 on December 11, 2007 at 1:59 PM

The thing is, if you bother to take a look at Giuliani’s actual proposals on immigration, he’s not pandering. His position is pretty much the same as it always has been, including his support for some kind of amnesty once the border is enforced properly.

Big S on December 11, 2007 at 1:56 PM

I listened to him on the radio here in South Florida. He flat out said that being here illegally wasn’t a crime and that to make it a crime would be unenforceable.

bj1126 on December 11, 2007 at 2:01 PM

Jim Gilchrist endorsing The High Reverend Huckster would be like like PM Churchill endorsing Herr Hitler or like Pope Urban II endorsing Mohammad.

It must be the End Times.

MB4 on December 11, 2007 at 2:01 PM

No it wouldn’t be that bad. We’d basically get Bush but with ostensibly a tougher stance on immigration.

bj1126 on December 11, 2007 at 1:59 PM

You lost me at “We’d basically get Bush”.

amerpundit on December 11, 2007 at 2:01 PM

It must be the End Times.

MB4 on December 11, 2007 at 2:01 PM

No joke. Ugghh.

NTWR on December 11, 2007 at 2:02 PM

We really are the party of stupid…

ChrisM on December 11, 2007 at 2:04 PM

Not that it matters, Huckabee is inevitable, but…nuance.

Asked if he would have preferred the federal officials allow the illegal aliens to stay in Arkansas, Huckabee said there’s a difference between “an illegal person working at a job plucking chickens — that’s what he’s doing illegal — and a person who is robbing a bank. Is there somehow some public threat that we wouldn’t even let them get their children from day care, sit down with social workers and figure out what the heck we’re going to do with a 6-year-old?

” I mean if you can’t see the distinction on those things, I can’t help you.

Slublog on December 11, 2007 at 2:04 PM

It must be the End Times.

MB4 on December 11, 2007 at 2:01 PM

Transylvanian land going up – whom can we draft, seriously?

Entelechy on December 11, 2007 at 2:05 PM

Jeebus…OK, this one’s for all the above:

Yes…primaries are close at hand. And anything can happen in a few weeks…look at where Huck was polling back a few. He looked like an also-ran, but now is leading in some places. But sometimes the Lord giveth, and sometimes he taketh away.

I agree with bj1126…Huck would be an even, or tougher, segue from the Bush Administration. And yeah…there’s things about Huck I don’t agree with, but there’s a lot of panic it seems going on because he’s polling so strongly now.

Al I’m saying is, let’s not get ahead of ourselves too soon…After Superduper Tuesday’s votes are counted, the picture could well look a lot different.

JetBoy on December 11, 2007 at 2:07 PM

He flat out said that being here illegally wasn’t a crime and that to make it a crime would be unenforceable.

bj1126 on December 11, 2007 at 2:01 PM

Right. He’s not pandering to the base on this issue. He’s speaking as a former prosecutor who knows how difficult it would be to process an extra potential 12-20 million criminal cases. If you look at his immigration proposal, the first order of business is enforcing the border and identifying everyone who is here from another country. He (sensibly) leaves the issue of what to do with illegal immigrants who are already here open-ended, to be figured out one we get a better handle on border security.

Big S on December 11, 2007 at 2:09 PM

[Zetterson on December 11, 2007 at 1:56 PM]

It’s certainly a point in Obama’s favor.

Another point, I think, is that Obama can grow in office. Huck hasn’t grown one bit and isn’t likely to.

Dusty on December 11, 2007 at 2:09 PM

Another point, I think, is that Obama can grow in office. Huck hasn’t grown one bit and isn’t likely to.

Dusty on December 11, 2007 at 2:09 PM

I don’t wanna experience Obama’s growing pains.

Frozen Tex on December 11, 2007 at 2:11 PM

Gilchrist endorses Huck?

I rode the Twilight Zone Tower of Terror last Wednesday night. I didn’t realize I brought the TZ back with me…

Darksean on December 11, 2007 at 2:14 PM

Huckabee said there’s a difference between “an illegal person working at a job plucking chickens — that’s what he’s doing illegal — and a person who is robbing a bank

Taking into account how much the illegals depresses wages and how much the tax payer pays for schooling his kids, and sometimes jailing them, and hospital care, etc. etc. and more etc., the bank robber probably does less damage to America.

MB4 on December 11, 2007 at 2:14 PM

Couldn’t help it :)

Entelechy on December 11, 2007 at 1:46 PM

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/will use any excuse not to get back to work

Laura on December 11, 2007 at 2:15 PM

Transylvanian land going up – whom can we draft, seriously?

Entelechy on December 11, 2007 at 2:05 PM

Jeff Sessions and Tommy Franks.

MB4 on December 11, 2007 at 2:15 PM

Transylvanian land going up – whom can we draft, seriously?

Entelechy on December 11, 2007 at 2:05 PM

Lou Dobbs.

MB4 on December 11, 2007 at 2:16 PM

What I want to know is: What do all of you (Rudy supporters mostly) who claimed that social cons weren’t all that important to the Republican vote have to say now?

If the national front-runner weren’t a social liberal, the Huckster wouldn’t even be registering on the radar.

Hollowpoint on December 11, 2007 at 2:18 PM

Did Gilchrist have stroke or something? Shouldn’t he be behind Tanc or at least Hunter?

Frozen Tex on December 11, 2007 at 1:54 PM

This might not work out too well for Huckabee actually.

Gilchrist is dirty. Most (basically all) of the money raised for his group has vanished and he’s spent much of the last few years in court defending against lawsuits from members. This is the reason the group eventually split and why we have another separate group (Minuteman Civil Defense Corps).

All of Gilchrist’s legal issues will now be used against Huckabee. Good luck Huck!

Gregor on December 11, 2007 at 2:18 PM

Another point, I think, is that Obama can grow in office. Huck hasn’t grown one bit and isn’t likely to.

Dusty on December 11, 2007 at 2:09 PM

Well, as I said on an earlier thread, The High Reverend Huckster’s nose has sure grown and must be somewhere over Cuba by now.

We could probably retire at least one spy satellite by now.

MB4 on December 11, 2007 at 2:19 PM

Jeff Sessions

Amen.

jaime on December 11, 2007 at 2:19 PM

the bank robber probably does less damage to America.

MB4 on December 11, 2007 at 2:14 PM

Entelechy endorses MB4. Why don’t you run? Huckabee’s got his cronies. We’ll find enough for you.

Laura, hexadecimal can keep you young :)

Entelechy on December 11, 2007 at 2:20 PM

All of Gilchrist’s legal issues will now be used against Huckabee. Good luck Huck!

Gregor on December 11, 2007 at 2:18 PM

The Lord works in mysterious ways.

MB4 on December 11, 2007 at 2:22 PM

Entelechy endorses MB4. Why don’t you run?

Entelechy on December 11, 2007 at 2:20 PM

America may not be ready just yet for an atheist from Planet X.

MB4 on December 11, 2007 at 2:24 PM

A serious terrorist attack on the US would STUN all but a few of those running. That’s why I will never rule out Rudy.

JiangxiDad on December 11, 2007 at 2:26 PM

The Lord works in mysterious ways.

MB4 on December 11, 2007 at 2:22 PM

America may not be ready just yet for an atheist from Planet X.

MB4 on December 11, 2007 at 2:24 PM

And some say you have “no sense of humor”, God help us.

Entelechy on December 11, 2007 at 2:26 PM

[Frozen Tex on December 11, 2007 at 2:11 PM]

I don’t want a Pres who thinks his beliefs trump both reason and law until it becomes a disaster for him and us.

Dusty on December 11, 2007 at 2:29 PM

What do all of you (Rudy supporters mostly) who claimed that social cons weren’t all that important to the Republican vote have to say now?

If the national front-runner weren’t a social liberal, the Huckster wouldn’t even be registering on the radar.

Hollowpoint on December 11, 2007 at 2:18 PM

I’m just sick at how many Christians are jumping on this bozo’s bandwagon. It reinforces every stereotype out there, especially the infamous “easy to command.”

Laura on December 11, 2007 at 2:29 PM

Where have all the good men gone
And where are all the gods?
Where’s the streetwise Hercules
To fight the rising odds?
Isn’t there a white knight upon a fiery steed?
.
Up where the mountains meet the heavens above
Out where the lightning splits the sea
I would swear that there’s someone somewhere
Watching me
Through the wind and the chill and the rain
And the storm and the flood
I can feel his approach
Like the fire in my blood
- Bonnie Tyler

MB4 on December 11, 2007 at 2:32 PM

I’m just sick at how many Christians are jumping on this bozo’s bandwagon. It reinforces every stereotype out there, especially the infamous “easy to command.”

I’ve been thinking the same thing, Laura. It’s disheartening.

Slublog on December 11, 2007 at 2:34 PM

MB4 on December 11, 2007 at 2:32 PM

Is it a mark against you or a mark against me if I say, I enjoy your comments and quotes?

captivated_dem on December 11, 2007 at 2:41 PM

Let my heart grow colder and as bitter as a falcon in the dive
There was a dream, a dying ember
There was a dream, I don’t remember
But I will resurrect that dream
Though rivers stream and hills grow steeper
For here in hell where life gets cheaper
Oh, here in hell the blood runs deeper
And when the final duel is near
I’ll lift my spear and fly
Piercing into the sky and higher
And the strong will thrive
Yes, the weak will cower while the fittest will survive
If we wait for the darkest hour
Till we spring alive
Then with claws of fire, we devour like a falcon in the dive
- Percy

MB4 on December 11, 2007 at 2:41 PM

Is it a mark against you or a mark against me if I say, I enjoy your comments and quotes?

captivated_dem on December 11, 2007 at 2:41 PM

Both of you – she kids :)

Entelechy on December 11, 2007 at 2:42 PM

Holy crap!

but if Huckabee gets the nomination, I’m voting Democratic. It’s not just an idle threat; I just won’t vote for him and in fact won’t even vote third party or stay home. I’ll vote for the Democratic candidate, even Hillary. I won’t be a party to selling out everything the party is supposed to stand for to a liberal ideology. If we’re going to have eight years of liberal rule, I’d rather the Democratic Party be governing, so at least they can take the blame.

In all honesty, I’ve been thinking along those lines. I don’t know if I could bring myself to vote for Hillary, but I do feel that if we’re going to have a liberal in office, the Dems should have to take the blame for it.

Laura on December 11, 2007 at 2:43 PM

Is it a mark against you or a mark against me if I say, I enjoy your comments and quotes?

captivated_dem on December 11, 2007 at 2:41 PM

We are both surely eternally damned.

MB4 on December 11, 2007 at 2:43 PM

The Dems are happy because Huck has split the GOP, based on Huck’s weaknesses. Taking what Ace posted, and comments here/elsewhere as some indication of the level of dislike for Huck, the battle for influence may very well come down to conservative bloggers/pundits vs evangelical hardliners. If the religious right wins, he’ll tank in the general and coattail further damage in Congress. Quite a bit at stake here. I could live pretty well with any of the top 3, excluding Huck. I’ve never had a GOP president yet, with whom I agreed on everything. But, Huck will make us a minority party for a long time. Not a good thing to contemplate.

a capella on December 11, 2007 at 2:46 PM

Anyone know where Rush stands on this? I’ve never listened to him, except when I catch very brief bits on the road. He couldn’t agree with much on Huck.

Entelechy on December 11, 2007 at 2:50 PM

If Evangelicals manage to get Huck nominated and he then loses big to Hillary, they will have hell to pay from most conservatives!

davenp35 on December 11, 2007 at 2:52 PM

Entelechy on December 11, 2007 at 2:50 PM

Unless Chuck has paid a “little visit” to Rush too.

MB4 on December 11, 2007 at 2:53 PM

they will have hell to pay from most conservatives!

davenp35 on December 11, 2007 at 2:52 PM

They don’t care. Both parties are hijacked by the extremes. It’s their man/woman, or none.

Entelechy on December 11, 2007 at 2:54 PM

Entelechy on December 11, 2007 at 2:42 PM

That’s okay though, right.

MB4 on December 11, 2007 at 2:43 PM

That made my skin crawl. Didn’t see that one coming.

captivated_dem on December 11, 2007 at 3:02 PM

Where’s the streetwise Hercules
To fight the rising odds?
Isn’t there a white knight upon a fiery steed?

MB4 on December 11, 2007 at 2:32 PM

Ahh, Bonnie Tyler. Well, that steeded knight was…I thought…Fred Thompson. But I don’t know what happened…

JetBoy on December 11, 2007 at 3:02 PM

That’s okay though, right.

captivated_dem on December 11, 2007 at 3:02 PM

Ok by me, for sure. Not to worry from here. Hey, I’m curious about your nome de plume, only if you care to ’splain.

Entelechy on December 11, 2007 at 3:05 PM

I’m just sick at how many Christians are jumping on this bozo’s bandwagon. It reinforces every stereotype out there, especially the infamous “easy to command.”

Laura on December 11, 2007 at 2:29 PM

I don’t like it either and agree with you- however just as many here have a “anyone but Hillary” mentality, there’s a strong “any nominee but Rudy” mentality in social con circles. I have to think a “Rudy backlash” factor has at least something to do with Huckster’s recent rise in the polls.

That and style seems to rule substance, and Huck speaks well, cracks jokes and seems like such a gosh darn nice guy. And the flip flops? Well, it’s not like he’s the first…

Hollowpoint on December 11, 2007 at 3:06 PM

Tuco The High Reverend Huckster: God is on our side because he hates the Yanks Mormons!
Blondie: God is not on our side because he hates idiots more.

MB4 on December 11, 2007 at 3:10 PM

Entelechy on December 11, 2007 at 3:05 PM

NOME DE PLUME. An assumed name under which a person writes to hide his identity.

Had to look that up. :)

The Dem part is my paper affiliation. Captivated is my being generally enamored by HA and the quality of commentors here.

By the way, I love the creative flair of your nome de plume. Reading all your comments; it suits you.

captivated_dem on December 11, 2007 at 3:20 PM

captivated_dem on December 11, 2007 at 3:20 PM

Dem, heh? Do you want to come over to this side, especially given this thread? I’d never move to yours, no way, but this one is driving me nuts too. Thus, a life-long independent. Not that it’s any more hopeful. I’m thoroughly disgusted with all parties in this great land of ours. A huge shake-up is due.

Entelechy on December 11, 2007 at 3:30 PM

it suits you.

captivated_dem on December 11, 2007 at 3:20 PM

cd, forgot to thank you. Eternally searching, and never getting there, can be extremely hard and exhilarating. I recommend it :)

Entelechy on December 11, 2007 at 3:39 PM

If Huckabee somehow wins the nomination, this evangelical will join Ace at the polls to vote for the Lizard Queen. To be fair, I’d sooner vote for Cthulu than Hillary because hey, why vote for the lesser evil. But since -apparently- the ancient one isn’t running this election cycle, I guess that I’m stuck. And if the primary and caucus voters nationwide seem intent on helping the GOP commit political suicide, I’ll sharpen the knife for them.

The comment about the Huckster’s rise reinforcing the stereotype of evangelical Christians as morons is dead on.

Physics Geek on December 11, 2007 at 3:53 PM

Entelechy on December 11, 2007 at 3:30 PM
Do you want to come over to this side, especially given this thread?

I’m already, mostly there, except what JiangxiDad told me once, “You just haven’t taken off the ring.” Well, as for political ideology, I am about 75% conservative/republican and 25% democratic(I don’t believe that percentage is liberal). Perhaps independent is the best way to go, I am unsure at this point. I will sit out the primary, and see who the Republican candidate is in the general, and vote accordingly. Hope I won’t have to “hold my nose”, to do so.

captivated_dem on December 11, 2007 at 3:56 PM

What I want to know is: What do all of you (Rudy supporters mostly) who claimed that social cons weren’t all that important to the Republican vote have to say now?

If the national front-runner weren’t a social liberal, the Huckster wouldn’t even be registering on the radar.

Hollowpoint on December 11, 2007 at 2:18 PM

Huck is truly a gift from God. He fractures the SoCons. He cannot compete nationally so he is no long term threat, but in the meantime he is going to make sure that no one candidate wins more than one state before Rudy takes Florida. No one other than Rudy will have momentum going into Super Duper Ultra mega Tuesday.

I will not get afraid until Huck leads in Florida…

tommylotto on December 11, 2007 at 3:58 PM

Gilchrist has made himself into a something of a pariah and that he’s endorsing the Hucka-fiasco in a desperate attempt to bring attention to himself isn’t surprising in the least.

The sad part is to many still see Gilchrist as credible.

Speakup on December 11, 2007 at 4:01 PM

I will not get afraid until Huck leads in Florida…

tommylotto on December 11, 2007 at 3:58 PM

May you be prescient!

Entelechy on December 11, 2007 at 4:02 PM

If the national front-runner weren’t a social liberal, the Huckster wouldn’t even be registering on the radar.

Hollowpoint on December 11, 2007 at 2:18 PM

So why didn’t the social cons rally behind the consistent pro-life candidate who used to be the front-runner and is to the right of Huckleberry? I’m speaking of John McCain? What, you have to be a Baptist minister now to get the support of the evangelicals?

RW Wacko on December 11, 2007 at 4:03 PM

And the flip flops? Well, it’s not like he’s the first…

Hollowpoint on December 11, 2007 at 3:06 PM

I’m a lot less worried about his flip flops than I am about what he’s consistent on. And I’m an evangelical Christian, social con. His concept of foreign policy scares me to death.

Laura on December 11, 2007 at 4:05 PM

I’m speaking of John McCain?

Hillary is practically to the right of Huck so that’s no recommendation. And McCain burned me *bad* wrt free speech and immigration. He’s entirely too emotion-driven (as is Huck).

Laura on December 11, 2007 at 4:07 PM

Hey look, the Republican “base” is once again sinking itself in a national election.

God I’m glad I switched to independent. No longer will I have to be disappointed in my party when it loses yet another election.

Remember, if the media likes the candidate, you should vote opposite. Hillary will crush that dimwitted fool Huckabee, it will be no contest. Her oppo team will destroy him and the jesus freak vote will not save him.

thegreatsatan on December 11, 2007 at 4:12 PM

thegreatsatan on December 11, 2007 at 4:12 PM

I could not agree more. Huck would win maybe 15 states agree the Hillary machine. Huck’s campaign is a complete mess. His whole campaign is “I’m a minister. Vote for me!”
Total disorganization, lack of funding, miscue after miscue. Hillary is licking her chops.

RW Wacko on December 11, 2007 at 4:46 PM

So why didn’t the social cons rally behind the consistent pro-life candidate who used to be the front-runner and is to the right of Huckleberry? I’m speaking of John McCain? What, you have to be a Baptist minister now to get the support of the evangelicals?

RW Wacko on December 11, 2007 at 4:03 PM

One word: backlash. They went the other extreme.

Hollowpoint on December 12, 2007 at 12:59 AM

Hard to believe the minutemen would endorse huckabee.

Sydney Carton on December 12, 2007 at 3:15 AM

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