Horse race: Clinton’s lead evaporates in IA, NH and SC
posted at 11:30 am on December 10, 2007 by Bryan
Maybe it’s the Oprah factor. Or the fact that Hillary is a bad candidate. Or the fact that the Clinton campaign dug through Obama’s school records looking for dirt. Or that whatever else you can say about his politics, Obama is just more likable than Hillary. Whatever it is, and it may be some combination of all of the above, Hillary has a race on her hands.
Iowa: Clinton nabbed 27%, followed by Obama at 25% and Edwards at 21%. No other candidate scored double-digits, including Richardson who came in at 9% and Joe Biden who rec’d 5%. As for the all-important second-choice category, all three Dem frontrunners are tied, with 30% picking Obama, 29% naming Clinton and 27% selecting Edwards.
New Hampshire: This is the tightest result for any New Hampshire Dem primary poll this year. Clinton gets 30% to Obama’s 27%. Edwards barely cracks double-digits with 10%, with one in five primary voters undecided.
South Carolina: Clinton gets 28% to Obama’s 25%. Edwards is a competitive third at 18%. [Note: An earlier version of this post accidentally reprinted the results from N.H.]
None of those leads is outside the margin of error, so Obama may actually lead in one or more of those states. And tellingly:
– Bill Clinton is still VERY popular among Democrats, in most cases, more popular than all of the actual contenders, though Obama matches the FPOTUS in FAV rating in New Hampshire.
Bill’s popularity may not be helping Hillary, and his Elvis factor may be transferring to Obama. The Democrats’ cult-like hero worship has to go somewhere.
I’m not saying that just to be snarky. The fact is, the two most experienced Democrats in the race are Dodd and Biden. Neither stands a chance of winning the nomination. The race on the Democrats’ side is dominated more by dynasty and personality than by experience and by demonstrated wisdom. The same can’t be said (yet) of the GOP side, where you have two governors and a former NYC mayor leading the pack and one of the two governors has also led successful businesses and chaired the Olympics. Huckabee, Romney and Giuliani all have their problems, but at least they all have serious executive experience on their resumes.
By the way, yet another Hillary campaigner is leaving after spreading the Obama/Muslim rumor. Were there only two Hillary hacks flogging that rumor, or were there more? What did Hillary know and when did she know it?
Update (AP): Hillary’s problem in a nutshell:
Obama, [the focus group] worried, can’t win the nomination; voters aren’t ready for an African-American president (a point expressed most directly by the two black women participants), and he may not be sufficiently experienced.
A couple of victories in Iowa and New Hampshire would cure most of those problems.
The concerns about Clinton, 60, a New York senator, are that she is devious, calculating and, fairly or not, a divisive figure in American politics.
Those are a lot tougher to overcome.
It was revealing, too, when Hart pushed them to envision these senators as leaders of the country or, as he put it, their “boss.” Obama, they say, would be inspirational, motivating, charismatic and compassionate. After praising Clinton’s experience and intelligence, they say she would be demanding, difficult, maybe even a little scary.
Update: Meanwhile, to Team Hillary’s chagrin Obama launches the SS Oprah. Is it a killer weapon or a bucket of bolts? I wouldn’t bet on the latter if I were on the Hillary campaign.
More: In the post above I forgot to mention that Bill Richardson is also more experienced than Clinton and Obama. What does it say about his candidacy, though, that political junkies like me tend to forget that he’s still in the race?










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Very true, when was the last time a Senator or Congressman was elected POTUS.
Rick on December 10, 2007 at 11:38 AM
Where are those 20 million female voters Dick Morris is always claiming are out there?
GogglesPisano on December 10, 2007 at 11:38 AM
Obama is a punk kid, but he could still probably beat Huck. How sad is that?
bbz123 on December 10, 2007 at 11:39 AM
So wrong to have the Heading: “Horse Race” and put Hillary’s picture underneath it (man that’s funny).
Go Obama, Go.
BobH on December 10, 2007 at 11:40 AM
I think it’s because she can’t seem to lie very well.
She’s a walking disaster area.
benrand on December 10, 2007 at 11:41 AM
Well, I’m glad somebody else noticed that, but I’d prefer it would be swing voters and not Bryan.
I think that plays to their (especially Obama’s and Edwards’) advantage, actually. A lot of Dems still cling to the idea that, on paper, Marxism is just the best way to go, darn it, but the right person just hasn’t led the effort yet.
So experience in obsolete and unjust fields like capitalism and democratic government is just wasted time.
saint kansas on December 10, 2007 at 11:42 AM
Obamarific!
terryannonline on December 10, 2007 at 11:45 AM
Bush 1 in 1988
Nixon in 1968
(Ford too, but he wasn’t elected)
BacaDog on December 10, 2007 at 11:47 AM
now that Huck is coming on strong, i would just like to be the first to say “I welcome our new Democrat overlords.”
amish on December 10, 2007 at 11:48 AM
If this were figure skating, Obama would have to worry about his kneecaps.
TexasDan on December 10, 2007 at 11:51 AM
So the democ-rats can choose between a muslim/converted Christian or Billy ‘white trash’ Clinton’s wife as their Presidential candidate. Good choices!
countywolf on December 10, 2007 at 11:52 AM
Obama, harder or easier to beat than Hill?
Dash on December 10, 2007 at 11:53 AM
Bush 41, Ford (not elected), Nixon, Lyndon B. Johnson, Kennedy, Truman…
Then there was Carter who served in his state’s Senate.
amerpundit on December 10, 2007 at 11:54 AM
Incredible, isn’t it. The Dems would run Oprah, if she’d let them.
petefrt on December 10, 2007 at 11:56 AM
LOL! That has got to be the comment of the week!
highhopes on December 10, 2007 at 11:57 AM
Actually, the last sitting Senator to be elected POTUS was JFK in 1960.
When they were elected, Bush 1 was VEEP and Nixon was a former Veep and priate citizen. Neither had ever been elected to the Senate.
In fact the record is that over the last century, very very FEW SITTING Senators or Congressmen have ever been elected POTUS.
Always Right on December 10, 2007 at 11:58 AM
Honestly people….can you even fathom Hillary or O’Bama as The Commander-in-Chief of our wonderful military? I didn’t think so. The American People are much to smart for that to happen. The Democrats will be defeated in the general election.
Winebabe on December 10, 2007 at 12:01 PM
Clinton’s lead evaporates in IA, NH and SC
And people say prayer doesn’t work….
bnelson44 on December 10, 2007 at 12:02 PM
I know a bunch of soldiers who would be just fine with an Obama presidency
bnelson44 on December 10, 2007 at 12:03 PM
By who? Rudy Giuliani? Mitt Romney? or Huckabee?
terryannonline on December 10, 2007 at 12:05 PM
If only I could be that optimistic.
amerpundit on December 10, 2007 at 12:06 PM
I guess I’m from Missouri.
Limerick on December 10, 2007 at 12:09 PM
The Dems and their minions live in the land of Oz. Getting Oprah involved is simply a matter of getting people who don’t care about politics to pay attention for a short time. The fact that these two candidates have to bring out all the big guns now is a real gift to the GOP. Take notes, and plan accordingly.
Hening on December 10, 2007 at 12:09 PM
For what reasons?
JiangxiDad on December 10, 2007 at 12:13 PM
But Hillary has so much experience… eight years’ experience in the White House.
[So does the WH pastry chef.]
petefrt on December 10, 2007 at 12:14 PM
The Democrats have themselves a problem. Even they don’t like their front-runner, Hillary, but will hold their nose and vote for her if necessary. Or maybe they’ll just sit that day out and get drunk. Obama is very cute and charismatic, but he’s an orthodox liberal with hardly an original thought in his head. His voting record is close to perfect on the liberal scoreboard.
Neither of the Democratic candidates have run anything except their small staffs. This reveals the curious indifference of Democrats to democracy. They think more in anti-democratic terms of men rather than in institutions. Republicans, by contrast, are more concerned with preserving the process of democracy. That’s why you never hear Republicans talking about Camelot with respect to their presidents while the Democrats think of their candidates as some sort of aristocracy.
When Hillary is pressed, she gets nasty and mean and plays dirty. I look forward to Hillary pitching her tarballs at Obama and dragging the entire Democratic campaign down into the mud. That should go far in undermining their party and putting a bad taste in the voters’ mouths.
At the end of it, I predict Hillary will win her party’s nomination and then be narrowly beat by the Republican candidate. 40%, maybe more, of us will never vote for Hillary. She has to get all her party’s vote and all the undecideds. I don’t see it happenning. Lots of us conservatives will turn out to vote against Hillary but I don’t think many liberals will be all that excited about supporting Hillary.
And wait until all that defeatist liberal talk about Iraq gets trotted out for comparison against the emerging victory there. Won’t it be splendid to revisit Hillary’s remarks about General Petraeus not being candid in his testimony before the Senate?
Tantor on December 10, 2007 at 12:18 PM
Do they wrap table cloths around their faces and carry AK47s?
Hening on December 10, 2007 at 12:25 PM
OK, I’m biased, but I like any leading GOP candidate’s chances against any Dem. I predict a new Republican president in ’08.
jgapinoy on December 10, 2007 at 12:42 PM
Don’t underestimate Oprah. When she starts her “get out and vote campaign”, you will see nothing like it. She is truly the Queen of America, and her minions will follow her.
Obama struck gold with Oprah.
Awesome, great response.
right2bright on December 10, 2007 at 12:43 PM
Soon to be a classic.
right2bright on December 10, 2007 at 12:44 PM
Blinders on. Not a single dose of smelling salts anywhere.
Again with the glass half empty here…
All us junkies have the answers. Hill is too bad, Barak is too inexperienced, Edwards smells like soap….yada yada yada..
Doesn’t anyone take the time to talk to people at work, or school, or a party? Where the hell is this magical group of people, who will vote Republican, because Republicans are better, stronger, faster? The RNC and the Party members better wake the hell up quick or this is going to be 1984 in reverse. Joe Public isn’t listening to us. Joe Public doesn’t care. All Joe Public knows is that Republicans are bad. Unless the RNC gets off whatever crack it’s smoking we are in for a good ol fashioned butt whooping.
Limerick on December 10, 2007 at 12:46 PM
I’m curious to see how this pans out.
Hillary’s between a rock and hard place having been chastised publicly for the lame personal attacks on Obama. She’s sliding in the polls. She doesn’t dare continue the personal assault on Obama, but I’m betting dollars to donuts the heavy artillery attacks, the blockbuster outings on Obama were packaged and ready to be put into play by the Clinton War Room in the closing weeks before the primaries.
With their final thrust already thwarted and their underbelly exposed, their SOP of politics of personal destruction is defunct.
That leaves the Clinton War Room practically unarmed.
fogw on December 10, 2007 at 12:49 PM
The Andrew Young cannon only fires once? This is beautiful.
JiangxiDad on December 10, 2007 at 12:52 PM
Hmm I wonder what cabinet position Oprah will get in the Obama Administration. Secretary of State? How does Vice President Winfrey sound?
ronsfi on December 10, 2007 at 12:53 PM
Secretary of State – Harry Belafonte
Secretary of Defense – Cindy Shehan
ronsfi on December 10, 2007 at 12:56 PM
Press Secretary – Rosie O’Donnell
ronsfi on December 10, 2007 at 12:57 PM
Hillary’s ace in the hole is the women’s vote. If Oprah erodes that, Obama has a chance. Also, this may be good news for Rudy.
bnelson44 on December 10, 2007 at 1:18 PM
Dick Morris is FOS!
He should just go back to toe sucking and leave the political analysis to someone who knows what he is talking about.
OBX Pete on December 10, 2007 at 2:31 PM
Harder
Entelechy on December 10, 2007 at 2:40 PM
OBX, I could not agree with you more!
I cannot understand why FOX or Hannity or anyone else puts this sleezebag on their shows.
Fortunately, I have a handy remote control…
BobH on December 10, 2007 at 3:31 PM
Interesting, Entelechy. I was thinking Hillary would be harder to beat. But you are such a smartie, I may have to reconsider.
mikeyboss on December 10, 2007 at 3:55 PM
Yep, I concur with Entelechy. Hillary’s negatives alone all but preclude her from electability. Obama appeals to people who don’t even like his politics by virtue of being a relatively nice guy, even if he is an unreconstructed Marxist.
Style seems to matter more than substance these days. Obama is a rockstar, Hillary is a b*tch. He’s harder to beat. So, go Hillary!
Pablo on December 10, 2007 at 4:23 PM
Hello Pablo. Please comment more on HA. Always enjoy it when you’re around. It enriches the threads. Best regards.
mikeyboss, just average, and thank you for the good thoughts.
She’s a known, with all the positives, especially the negatives. The country is really sick of the Clintons/Bushes. Period.
He’s an empty unknown. The blanks can be filled with all kinds of idealistic ‘feel-good’ fluff, and as Pablo said, “style over substance”…though I expect more seriousness from the American electorate. I’m always of two minds about that electorate, hopeful/pessimistic.
Entelechy on December 10, 2007 at 4:30 PM
I still dont know Hillarys stance on troops in Iraq..I cant wait for the dem-repub debates. Of course the moderators wont ask her..but maybe a quick shot across the ships bow from another candidate will pin her to a definitive position.
malkinmania on December 10, 2007 at 6:07 PM
Well, Entelechy, if you’re going to sweet talk me like that… ;-)
It saddens me to point out the number of Americans who disapprove of the war because it makes watching the news harsh their mellow. The lack of/negative entertainment value outweighs the stakes. As a wise young man said, “The Marines are at war. America is at the mall.”
Pablo on December 10, 2007 at 6:13 PM
Heh. I’m not willing to throw the towel in or genuflect just yet…
Califemme on December 10, 2007 at 6:14 PM
As I put nothing past Mrs. Clinton, I suspect she will pay homeless people to stand in the caucuses for her. She wins Iowa by a sliver over Edwards and Obama. Game. Set. Match.
SouthernGent on December 10, 2007 at 7:10 PM
dawgyear on February 6, 2007 at 9:28 PM
I posted this back in February and I know that there were a few people who thought that I was nuts for being concerned about Obama. Now it looks like there is truly going to be a dogfight between Obama and Hillary. I still believe that Obama will be the tougher candidate to beat in the general election. This seems to be a year when the American public wants change and Obama by way of being relatively new to American politics fulfills this need for change. Also, as has been written by many in the above posts, Hillary’s negatives will be very tough to overcome in the general election. However, I must add that I was indeed nuts to say that I would consider voting for Hillary in the primaries. The last nine months has reawakened my memory as to how much I despise the Clinton’s duplicity and lust for power.
dawgyear on December 10, 2007 at 7:18 PM
You’re easy to “sweet talk” – substance and style.
The young man’s quote is sad, but true.
Entelechy on December 10, 2007 at 9:08 PM
To hell with her lead, I want Clinton to evaporate.
leanright on December 11, 2007 at 8:16 AM
Hitlery’s lead may be loosing but her end is gaining and can not be hidden by pants suits much longer.
MSGTAS on December 11, 2007 at 8:18 AM