Torture update: What did Nancy Pelosi know and when did she know it?

posted at 3:00 pm on December 9, 2007 by Bryan

My previous torture-related posts seem to have landed me on some lefty enemies lists. Let’s see if I can get on a few more. The big torture question before us today is “What did Nancy Pelosi know and when did she know it?” Turns out, she knew pretty much everything and she knew it right off the bat.

In September 2002, four members of Congress met in secret for a first look at a unique CIA program designed to wring vital information from reticent terrorism suspects in U.S. custody. For more than an hour, the bipartisan group, which included current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), was given a virtual tour of the CIA’s overseas detention sites and the harsh techniques interrogators had devised to try to make their prisoners talk.

Among the techniques described, said two officials present, was waterboarding, a practice that years later would be condemned as torture by Democrats and some Republicans on Capitol Hill. But on that day, no objections were raised. Instead, at least two lawmakers in the room asked the CIA to push harder, two U.S. officials said.

“The briefer was specifically asked if the methods were tough enough,” said a U.S. official who witnessed the exchange.

Ain’t that tough enough? Well cue the Fabulous Thunderbirds. Everybody with any sense was a tough guy on terror back in 2002. Now, not so much. Everyone’s tough on Bush but fewer are they who remain tough on the terrorists in anything more than lip service.

Notice what else Pelosi knew about: The CIA’s so-called black sites where terrorists were being held overseas. And she did not object.

Has the actual threat of large-scale terrorism receded enough so that we can all go back to a 9-10 slumber and wash our collective hands of the tactics that we approved of in the clarifying months to years immediately after 9-11? I don’t think so, though the threat has been blunted by, you guessed it, tough action in Afghanistan and Iraq. The degree to which we all feel safer now is the degree to which we argue about everything under the sun, including things that former tuff guys were once fine with, or at least lodged no formal objection to. Only one Congressperson is known to have objected to waterboarding when it would have made any difference, which is when the practice was actually used against three high value al Qaeda targets. 2002 and 2003 were the years to make a strong stand on this, not years later when it’s politically useful and convenient. And those who have made careers out of decrying waterboarding really ought to craft some new spin now, because pinning it all on Bush will no longer fly. The CIA that is under President Bush’s responsibility did its due diligence and notified Congress members in both parties of what it was doing. And with one exception, they didn’t object.

This story exposes the fact that the Democrats have been playing games on waterboarding for years now, publicly decrying it while privately raising no useful objection to it. So I’m in agreement with Captain Ed and InstaPundit among others on this. And I’ll add that we’re seeing one more incident in which the Democrats simply cannot be trusted to live up to their public statements even on so vital an issue as the tactics and techniques that will occasionally be necessary to fight and win the long war on terrorism. During the 1990s they all warned us about the dangers of Saddam Hussein, only to turn their backs on the actual war to remove him, and during 2002 and 2003 they knew about the CIA’s aggressive interrogation of high value al Qaeda terrorists, only to politicize that in the years since.

If you think the Democrats are dishonest and unreliable on matters of war and peace (and a whole lot else), then they are exactly who you think they are.


Related Posts:

Breaking on Hot Air

Blowback

Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.

Trackbacks/Pings

Trackback URL

Comments

Botox is hell on the memory.

BobH on December 9, 2007 at 3:01 PM

Old hippie syndrome. What is Pelosi, 67 or so, she just wants the bask in the past, assuming the Democrats media parrot is still alive and kicking and can hide the truth from the people. A concept the Washington Post must see as inoperative.

Someone must have told the Washington Post that they have the goods on the Democrats, push it at your peril.

tarpon on December 9, 2007 at 3:11 PM

Ah, Speaker Fscelift exposed!

Gatordoug on December 9, 2007 at 3:16 PM

political savages. elitist democrats.

Griz on December 9, 2007 at 3:18 PM

I may make my way over to Dkos or DU just to see the exploded heads on the walls. LOL…this is just priceless.

SouthernGent on December 9, 2007 at 3:19 PM

Sorry,
I meant Speaker Facelift

Gatordoug on December 9, 2007 at 3:20 PM

Yes, SouthernGent, two words

- Beholden, and
- Schadenfreude

Entelechy on December 9, 2007 at 3:20 PM

The Republican candidates might all make my left eyelid twitch for one reason or another, but I know of no single Democrat who can be trusted running anything more important than a wienie roast.

flipflop on December 9, 2007 at 3:21 PM

THis is exactly why I loathe them every time “for the children” is used. They are duplicitous and slimy at every level and lie like most people breathe.
Sort of like that CO joke that caused the female politico to resign, waking up and finding yourself to be a Dem must be a nightmare that causes in to take that trip deep down Da Nile.

bbz123 on December 9, 2007 at 3:23 PM

The Republican candidates might all make my left eyelid twitch for one reason or another, but I know of no single Democrat who can be trusted running anything more important than a wienie roast.

flipflop on December 9, 2007 at 3:21 PM

“Wienie Roast”? Politically incorrect on so many levels, bound to insult PETA, NOW, etc….

bbz123 on December 9, 2007 at 3:25 PM

bbz123 on December 9, 2007 at 3:25 PM

What? I was talking about hot dogs! Get your mind out of the gutter! :-)

flipflop on December 9, 2007 at 3:27 PM

If you don’t like the Dems position, wait till the next poll comes out and they might flip/flop again.

CommentGuy on December 9, 2007 at 3:28 PM

The CIA’s so-called black sites where terrorists were being held overseas. And she did not object.

She did not object, and the drive-by media covered for her…just the same as they will cover for her now.

The fake indignation of these surrendercrats is getting so old.

2002 and 2003 were the years to make a strong stand on this, not years later when it’s politically useful and convenient.

This was also the time to take a strong stand related to getting intelligence. Not that I’m whacking you Bryan, but given the time period, one can understand why harsher techniques were used then.

…but then, this was also before Bush was re-elected, which meant BDS was somewhat in check.
Everything was politicized so they could gain power.

91Veteran on December 9, 2007 at 3:29 PM

If you think the Democrats are dishonest and unreliable on matters of war and peace (and a whole lot else), then they are exactly who you think they are.

“They are who we thought they were.” (Denny Green)

infidel on December 9, 2007 at 3:33 PM

Politics is a rotten business, yes.

Republicans rot when they get so clubby in the halls of Congress that they compromise away their core principles and milk the teat of earmarks and related “legal” graft.

But leave it to the Democrat Party to sell the country’s very soul for one more moment in the limelight:

* Vietnam
* Edward Kennedy’s secret negotiations with the USSR
* Jimmy Carter’s forced ignorance of world affairs
* Bill Clinton’s forced ignorance of world affairs
* Nancy Pelosi’s willingness to meet with Assad, against the wishes of the President
* Harry Reid and John Murtha’s willingness to sell out the US Military for votes
* (etc., etc.)

I wonder just how far the mistakes go, and I keep ending up at the same place: Truman.

Don’t laugh.

Truman set the tone for the Cold War, by refusing to engage China in its overt support of North Korea out of fears that war would escalate. This decision set the stage for 50 years of “proxy wars” between the US and USSR, fought in many different countries, but always selling out the “ally” of the US in the end when the proxy war became too politically costly for the Democrats.

Repeat for Kennedy, Johnston, Carter, and Clinton.

When Nixon, Reagan, and Bush ’43 achieved real results in winning wars and advancing American interests abroad, Democrats were always waiting in the wings to sway opinion against these efforts. History, not just Google, is your friend.

Wanderlust on December 9, 2007 at 3:36 PM

democrat first. american second.

lorien1973 on December 9, 2007 at 3:40 PM

Don’t forget Kerry and negotiations with the Vietnamese in Paris.

Jay Rock running to Syria and everywhere else to say the starting flag was near.

The list gets longer each week and the left still keeps buying what they are selling.

CommentGuy on December 9, 2007 at 3:47 PM

The list gets longer each week and the left still keeps buying what they are selling.

CommentGuy on December 9, 2007 at 3:47 PM

And it’s only gotten worse under Bush. Not for any one thing in particular he’s done, but because of the left’s (and the media’s) irrational deep, abiding hatred of him.

flipflop on December 9, 2007 at 3:51 PM

Poor Nancy.

This must be torture.

hillbillyjim on December 9, 2007 at 3:57 PM

For the (D)emocrats… the best thing about the partisan press is that their lies rarely get uncovered.

DANEgerus on December 9, 2007 at 4:00 PM

Torture update: What did Nancy Pelosi know and when did she know it?

Torture update 2: What did Nancy Pelosi know before she didn’t know it and when did she know it before she didn’t know it?

MB4 on December 9, 2007 at 4:02 PM

For the (D)emocrats… the best thing about the partisan press is that their lies rarely get uncovered.

DANEgerus on December 9, 2007 at 4:00 PM

Not only that, but the press is often complicit in telling them.

flipflop on December 9, 2007 at 4:07 PM

The dems simply play a game called PollPosition….their position is whatever the next poll says.

CommentGuy on December 9, 2007 at 4:07 PM

this will never be reported by the MSM. The Democrats are the heroes who save America from the evil Republicans – no matter that that idea has no basis in reality.

They will forgive Nancy, but it’s still going to be Bush’s fault somehow in the MSM media. And this will result in another ‘impeach Bush’ campaign.

ThackerAgency on December 9, 2007 at 4:15 PM

Great post, Bryan.

Buy Danish on December 9, 2007 at 4:18 PM

If you think the Democrats are dishonest and unreliable on matters of war and peace (and a whole lot else), then they are exactly who you think they are.

Sorry,
I meant Speaker Facelift

Gatordoug on December 9, 2007 at 3:20 PM

Very apropos, a fake face for the leader of phony Americans.

Makes you wonder if once a week they don’t have a hypocrite flip.

They take turns tossing a coin in the air to decide who gets to be disingenuous about the WOT or health care or immigration or outraged at Republicans who dare to oppose their fakery.

Speakup on December 9, 2007 at 4:35 PM

The Republican candidates might all make my left eyelid twitch for one reason or another, but I know of no single Democrat who can be trusted running anything more important than a wienie roast.

Oh HECK no. I don’t wanna eat none o’ them disgusting tofu dogs.

Ewwww!

Bob's Kid on December 9, 2007 at 4:36 PM

There’s been another shooting in Colorado today, this one outside a Colorado Springs church.

This on the heels of the overnight killing of two at a Christian missionary.

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. — At least four people were shot outside of a Colorado Springs church on Sunday, but it was not immediately known whether the shootings were related to an earlier shooting about 70 miles away, authorities said.

The conditions of the people shot outside the New Life Church were not known, El Paso county Sheriff’s Lt. Lari Sevene said.

Two people died and two were wounded earlier Sunday when a gunman opened fire in a dormitory at a missionary training center in the Denver suburb of Arvada.

More here.

LINK 

CommentGuy on December 9, 2007 at 4:47 PM

Oh HECK no. I don’t wanna eat none o’ them disgusting tofu dogs.

Ewwww!

Bob’s Kid on December 9, 2007 at 4:36 PM

And you just know that’s what they’d be roasting, so come to think of it, I guess we can’t even trust ‘em with that.

flipflop on December 9, 2007 at 4:48 PM

Prior comment got stuck in moderation

too many links I guess

Church shooting in Colorado 4 shot, after 2 killed last night

CommentGuy on December 9, 2007 at 4:49 PM

Church shooting in Colorado 4 shot, after 2 killed last night

CommentGuy on December 9, 2007 at 4:49 PM

Rocky Mountain atheists run amok?

flipflop on December 9, 2007 at 5:02 PM

I thought you would like that one when I dropped it in the ol email box.

Ain’t it grand?

Jim708 on December 9, 2007 at 5:11 PM

DENVER, Colo. (Reuters) – At least four people were shot at a large Colorado evangelical church on Sunday — the second shooting in a day linked to a religious community in the state.

Local media said four, or possibly more, people were shot outside or inside the New Life Church in Colorado Springs on Sunday afternoon. The condition of those shot was not immediately known, but police said they had a suspect in custody.

In an earlier incident, two people were killed and two were injured shortly after midnight when a gunman entered a training center for young missionaries in the Denver suburb of Arvada, about 70 miles away from Colorado Springs, police said.

It was not immediately known if the two shootings were connected. CNN reported that the description of the shooter was similar in both cases — a white male wearing a dark hat and dark jacket.

CommentGuy on December 9, 2007 at 5:22 PM

democrat first. american second.

lorien1973 on December 9, 2007 at 3:40 PM

You think they place that much importance on being American? I figure that’s way down list, after things like Human, World Citizen, UN Member, liberal, progressive, etc..

Frozen Tex on December 9, 2007 at 5:27 PM

If we had the intel programs we should have, it would never get to this point, but we are. We are forced to face our tactics used to save ourselves. Geneva is useless. It’s rarely been used in our favor, so we are faced with what our conscience will tolerate. Not a place we should be forced into.
If we didn’t have to be so skeptical of NIEs, and we should be skeptical these days, we wouldn’t be arguing about torture.

oakpack on December 9, 2007 at 5:37 PM

I haven’t found anything yet on this topic at DKos, but here’s a thread from firedoglake and one from DU.

Exit question: If you and your penpals on fringe lefty forums are the only ones who think this is “criminal” or “torture”, might you not want to re-examine your position?

flipflop on December 9, 2007 at 6:28 PM

The story ran in WaPo, p. A01?

Holy moley.

petefrt on December 9, 2007 at 6:29 PM

Here’s how the Kos Kids are spinning this. Of course, they’ve taken this diary off the front page and buried it…

Here’s a teaser from the diary:

Back in 2002 around the one year anniversary of 9/11, when the nation was being whipped up in a froth of warmongering and hatred, a very very short list of Democrats where given a super secret briefing on the Thug’s plans to torture some people. Since it was classified they couldn’t tell anyone else about it. Who knows what they were told, but it was enough to make them complicit. That was the intent of the briefing. It was a torture trap.

pullingmyhairout on December 9, 2007 at 6:37 PM

Exit question, would the DEMs be so against waterboarding if the enemey was doing it to us?

Buzzy on December 9, 2007 at 9:02 PM

“gun Free Zones” seem to be the most likely places to get shot, is this just a coincidence?

striper1 on December 9, 2007 at 9:23 PM

Sorry guys. It was a classified briefing. She couldn’t say anything even if she objected.

tommylotto on December 9, 2007 at 10:19 PM

Baloney — she could have objected at the time of the briefing and she did not. What’s more, her party insists that everything the Bush administration has done in this war on terror has been in secret. Lying pieces of s*** – all of them — all for the purpose of gaining political advantage at the cost of American security.

D2Boston on December 9, 2007 at 10:50 PM

Sorry guys. It was a classified briefing. She couldn’t say anything even if she objected.

tommylotto on December 9, 2007 at 10:19 PM

Come off that crap. There is not one position in the federal government lacking a procedure to LEGALLY object to any federal government activity or proposed activity.

News2Use on December 9, 2007 at 11:02 PM

Cindy Sheehan will use this for her campaign! :)

JimC on December 9, 2007 at 11:15 PM

Great post.
Here’s how the Dems will rebut and answer:
( )
That’s right. Silence.

Doug on December 9, 2007 at 11:40 PM

Just trying to figure out what sort of torturous (non)logic must go through Pelosi’s mind for any particular position or vote is worse torture than any sadistic interrogator could devise.

I’d rather be waterboarded, have my fingernails pulled out and hot soldering irons applied to my ‘delicate parts’, all at the same time, than to be forced to listen to her for five minutes.

So Pelosi has no right to complain about torture.

LegendHasIt on December 10, 2007 at 3:18 AM

Who were the U.S. lawmakers who asked the CIA to push harder? Nancy Pelosi perhaps?

SoulGlo on December 10, 2007 at 3:37 AM

As long as our enemies know that we ARE torturing…
all is well.
Our elected reps are torturing Me with their idiocy.

bridgetown on December 10, 2007 at 9:00 AM

Sorry guys. It was a classified briefing. She couldn’t say anything even if she objected.

tommylotto on December 9, 2007 at 10:19 PM

So they put duck tape over her mouth? She admitted not raising any questions. So you are throwing out an argument she doesn’t even acknowledge. What a little sheep you are.
*
She had all of the opportunity to raise questions at the briefing, and afterwards. Harman sent a note, why not Pelosi? Because Pelosi had to use common sense, and not her political handlers to make a decision…and her decision was…carry on!

right2bright on December 10, 2007 at 9:27 AM

pullingmyhairout on December 9, 2007 at 6:37 PM

Looks like tommylotto took your advice and read it.

right2bright on December 10, 2007 at 9:29 AM

[invoking "rabid dog" comment]

franksalterego on December 10, 2007 at 9:32 AM

She believed in “harsh measures” when she was scared of being vaporized.

Now, she’s more frightened of losing power.

End of equation.

profitsbeard on December 10, 2007 at 10:48 AM

The “dimocrats are who we think they are.” The dimocratic brain waves are connected to the last poll released. Nothing more, nothing less.

volsense on December 10, 2007 at 11:04 AM

We can complain and complain about the Democrats but the reason why they are still there is that a large percentage of Americans either don’t know or don’t care about their flip-flopping, hypocrisy, lying, traitorism, etc, etc, because they are in many ways a reflection of who that vote for.

Q. Why do we have this problem? A. Relativism.

To many Americans today, truth is relative and changes every day with the person and circumstances. Relativism is the driving worldview of the day. Remember a quote from one of its prominent followers, “It depends on what your definition of ‘Is’ is.”

Relativism has saturated nearly every aspect of life starting in Kindergarten and going all the way to graduate levels of our universities.

It will only get worse unless this worldview is stopped.

Unfortunately, relativism penetrates the very deepest desires of every man allowing him/her to define what is right or wrong. In other words, it steals God’s sovereignty. And who doesn’t want to do that?

the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Indeed, has God said, ‘You shall not eat from any tree of the garden’?” – Genesis 3:1

The serpent said to the woman, “You surely will not die!
For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”- Genesis 3:4,5

Don’t believe the lie.

shick on December 10, 2007 at 11:49 AM

Waterboarding isn’t torture. Period. End of discussion. The science is settled.

O-Dub on December 10, 2007 at 2:15 PM

Nancy Knew! Hatred Grew!

BKennedy on December 11, 2007 at 2:36 AM

Speaking with Forked tongue allows Ms. Pelosi to say anything that will further endure her in the heartless and mindless people that support her.

Waterboarding does not kill it just make you think your going to. The electrical shock and other methods of torture that can and often kill immediately by the opps of the the enemy are not part of our play book.

Let’s just remember the objective-gain information to prevent future deaths.

MSGTAS on December 11, 2007 at 8:07 AM

A revealing comparison:

Equivalency

shick on December 11, 2007 at 9:16 AM

Ah shoot was same link sorry

William Amos on May 16, 2009 at 5:24 PM