IC agents threatened to release the NIE if Bush refused to do it? Updated WSJ weighs in

posted at 10:00 pm on December 7, 2007 by Bryan

I think my outrage meter just broke. I’m not sure it can be fixed. Since when do people on the left think this is a good thing?

“intelligence career seniors were lined up to go to jail if necessary” if the document’s gist were not given to the public. Translation? Someone in that group would have gone to the media “on the record” to disclose its contents.

So once they had produced the 2007 NIE that a) contradicted the 2005 NIE and b) would probably take the wind out of any effort to keep up the pressure on Iran (which, even according to the 2007 NIE did have a clandestine nuclear weapons program, albeit one that might be on hold), the unelected intelligence officers who produced it were prepared to force it into the public if the president himself didn’t release it. They held a sword to the elected president: Release this sensitive and probably problematic and possibly inaccurate document, or we’ll release it even though doing so is illegal.

To answer my own question posed at the top of this post, the only time anyone on the left would think that this is a good thing is when it’s done to a Republican president. Or at least, this Republican president.

Say what you want about President Bush, and everyone left and right is never short of words to describe him, he is the elected president. He does set national policy, at least according to the Constitution. The intelligence community is supposed to answer to him, not the other way around.

If that quote is true, though, the elected president isn’t in charge of the IC at all. It’s in charge of him.

This is a good thing? I don’t see how. It looks like a brazen threat to the republic, regardless of which political party you happen to support. But I guess that’s just me.

What happens if the IDF tells our military during this weekend’s briefings that the NIE is wrong? What then?

Update: Hm. Follow the links all the way out and you just go from one lefty blog to another. There’s no solid sourcing on the quote even on its original blog. It’s just one guy saying he’s hearing stuff, and the one guy likes to toss out the phrase “neocon Jacobins,” whatever that means.

So I’m coming around to doubting the substance of the quote above. I doubt that blogger is really hearing anything but the voices in his own head. That lefties are celebrating what it would mean is still disturbing, though.

What is more likely is that the president knew based on the history of the past few years that there was no way on this earth that that NIE would remain secret. It would be leaked. So he had to release it, whatever he thought of the wisdom of doing so.

Update: This is one of those posts that I come to regret posting the morning after. If it’s not the edginess of the post itself it’s some of the discussion it generates. But here’s some solace. The WSJ has come out agreeing with me.

In this regard, it’s hilarious to see the left and some in the media accuse Mr. Bush once again of distorting intelligence. The truth is the opposite. The White House was presented with this new estimate only weeks ago, and no doubt concluded it had little choice but to accept and release it however much its policy makers disagreed. Had it done otherwise, the finding would have been leaked and the Administration would have been assailed for “politicizing” intelligence.

The result is that we now have NIE judgments substituting for policy in a dangerous way. For one thing, these judgments are never certain, and policy in a dangerous world has to account for those uncertainties. We know from our own sources that not everyone in American intelligence agrees with this NIE “consensus,” and the Israelis have already made clear they don’t either.

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I’m beginning to think that the Valerie Plame/Joe Wilson culture at the CIA framed this report simply to embarrass the White House, the truth about Iran be damned.

I’m sick of leaks and threats of leaks. This would be easy to fix if the Justice Department (and the rest of the Executive branch for that matter) had the will to enforce the law.

mojojojo on December 7, 2007 at 10:06 PM

It’s a mad, mad world.

Out of control…something’s going to break….

Dr. Gecko on December 7, 2007 at 10:07 PM

Shadow Government anyone?

ColdBore76 on December 7, 2007 at 10:08 PM

I want them locked up. Period. A hanging or two will put those traitors in line right quick.Past due IMO.

bbz123 on December 7, 2007 at 10:08 PM

Lockdown the State Department. Charge every one involved with this (false) report with sedition . Then vet the CIA, Congress, the Pentagon, and the FBI of the enemy, of which there are legion.

SouthernGent on December 7, 2007 at 10:09 PM

So don’t release it and throw whomever in jail who does so illegally.

When a mushroom cloud goes up over DC and/or NY then what? The time to prevent it is now. I feel both angry and sad over the stupid petty games going on that could very well cost us our country.

Ordinary1 on December 7, 2007 at 10:10 PM

Frankly Bryan, I’m surprised that you’re surprised.

HerrMorgenholz on December 7, 2007 at 10:11 PM

Bush made a BIG mistake by not replacing EVERY Clinton appointee in the government.

mojojojo on December 7, 2007 at 10:12 PM

and if you think that November 2008 will change anything, you are living in da nile.

rockhauler on December 7, 2007 at 10:15 PM

Its easy to understand: The socialists want freedom dead every bit as much as bin lauden does. Its been this way for years, our socialists “want da POWEA” and will destroy freedom to have it.

Social chaos: desperate prople doing desperate things IE: accepting socialism.

allrsn on December 7, 2007 at 10:19 PM

Bush made a BIG mistake by not replacing EVERY Clinton appointee in the government.

mojojojo on December 7, 2007 at 10:12 PM

THAT IS A FACT!!

allrsn on December 7, 2007 at 10:20 PM

HerrMorgenholz on December 7, 2007 at 10:11 PM

I’m actually surprised that the lefties at Kos think this is a good thing. But yeah, that shouldn’t have surprised me either.

Bryan on December 7, 2007 at 10:20 PM

Thi sis what happens when treason goes unpunished for decades.

TheBigOldDog on December 7, 2007 at 10:20 PM

What happens if the IDF tells our military during this weekend’s briefings that the NIE is wrong? What then?

The left’s thinly veiled anti-semitism kicks into high gear.

Topsecretk9 on December 7, 2007 at 10:22 PM

Thi sis what happens when treason goes unpunished for decades.

You can say that again.

Topsecretk9 on December 7, 2007 at 10:23 PM

There’s a great Spanish (or, at lease, Latin American) word that Bush really should learn: cojones. Then he should do his best to grow a pair, because it often seems his original set wilted after the birth of his daughters.

sondiehl on December 7, 2007 at 10:25 PM

Wait a minute–this is all based on Daily Kos sources, right?

You’ll excuse me if I’m not too concerned just yet.

see-dubya on December 7, 2007 at 10:25 PM

Buy guns, the end is near.

peacenprosperity on December 7, 2007 at 10:25 PM

Line them up and shoot them. That’s what a real President would do.

Tim Burton on December 7, 2007 at 10:28 PM

The intelligence community is supposed to answer to him, not the other way around.

I do not know about the rest of the “intelligence community”, but any there whom are military officers, like say in the DIA, take an oath to the U.S. Constitution, not whatever man, or woman (Think ahead), who happens to be President at the time.

MB4 on December 7, 2007 at 10:30 PM

Bush made a BIG mistake by not replacing EVERY Clinton appointee in the government.

mojojojo on December 7, 2007 at 10:12 PM

The ‘New Tone In Washington’ turned out to be a huge flat mistake.

Memo to Republicans: Always fire all Democratic appointees at the start of your term.

rockbend on December 7, 2007 at 10:31 PM

Treason is a charge we must reinvigorate.

shooter on December 7, 2007 at 10:32 PM

Buy guns and beer, the end is near.

peacenprosperity on December 7, 2007 at 10:25 PM

MB4 on December 7, 2007 at 10:33 PM

Even if Hillary doesn’t win the Clinton’s will haunt us for a long time to come.

KBird on December 7, 2007 at 10:33 PM

So, who benefits from all this? I can’t imagine they think it would be the Dems. They’re just as susceptible to nuclear attack as anyone else.

MikeZero on December 7, 2007 at 10:34 PM

Kos’ source for this is here. I don’t know if this source is credible on this, but it looks like some Senate Republicans are looking into it.

sandberg on December 7, 2007 at 10:35 PM

MB4 on December 7, 2007 at 10:30 PM

Yes they do, and the constitution says that the President set national policy not the turds in the IC. Those imbecils commited treason and sedition and should be facing a trial and firing squad.

doriangrey on December 7, 2007 at 10:35 PM

Treason is a charge we must reinvigorate.

shooter on December 7, 2007 at 10:32 PM

There is no such thing as treason in America anymore.

Not since Jane Fonda sat at that NVA gun.

MB4 on December 7, 2007 at 10:36 PM

Line them up and shoot them. That’s what a real President would do.

Tim Burton on December 7, 2007 at 10:28 PM

Of what country? Good grief.

Laura on December 7, 2007 at 10:37 PM

Those imbecils commited treason and sedition and should be facing a trial and firing squad.

doriangrey on December 7, 2007 at 10:35 PM

If Bush tried that he would be impeached and probably convicted.

MB4 on December 7, 2007 at 10:37 PM

See Dubya,

The minute the Plame-thing erupted I knew this was an organizational issue. People like her and these State Dept. folks view presidents as nothing but a passing storm to be weathered, if they don’t agree they slow everything down, as close to sedition as an admin p.o.g. can get.

ColdBore76 on December 7, 2007 at 10:38 PM

sounds like a test of the waters for a coup imo

trailortrash on December 7, 2007 at 10:38 PM

Of what country? Good grief.

Laura on December 7, 2007 at 10:37 PM

You know the answer to that.

MB4 on December 7, 2007 at 10:39 PM

I’m sorry, but how is this different from every day since 9/12? The Bush administration has a dangerously unserious attitude about moles and information leaks, and of course liberals in his administration take no responsibility for any harm that comes from undermining national security as long as it hurts Herr Bush.

Really, it’s Bush’s own fault for leaving the Clinton people in there, and now he’s living Richard Nixon’s nightmare.

Lehosh on December 7, 2007 at 10:39 PM

sounds like a test of the waters for a coup imo

trailortrash on December 7, 2007 at 10:38 PM

I think it’s closer to business as usual over the past few years, though this NIE seems more problematic than most IC products and therefore more valuable to leak if it came to that.

Bryan on December 7, 2007 at 10:41 PM

TRAITORS to their Country…

NRA4Freedom on December 7, 2007 at 10:44 PM

If Bush tried that he would be impeached and probably convicted.

MB4 on December 7, 2007 at 10:37 PM

For what? Upholding the US constitution? I think not.

doriangrey on December 7, 2007 at 10:46 PM

Two questions:

1) How do we know that Dailykos and retired Col. W. Patrick Lang are being fully truthful?

2) How do we know that the purported “Traitors” or “Whistle blowers”, whatever you want to call them, are a bunch of leftists?

MB4 on December 7, 2007 at 10:48 PM

Even if this story isn’t true, there has been way too much leaking to the NYT for charges not to have been brought.

Maybe those 17 states with secessionist movements that Glen Beck mentioned the other night are on to something South Carolina knew 140+ years ago.

SouthernGent on December 7, 2007 at 10:50 PM

For what? Upholding the US constitution? I think not.

doriangrey on December 7, 2007 at 10:46 PM

Think about what you just said.

If you are correct, then Bush is not upholding the U.S. Constitution, which he took an oath to do, if he does not put “Those imbecils [who] commited treason and sedition on trial and [before a] firing squad”.

MB4 on December 7, 2007 at 10:53 PM

MB4 on December 7, 2007 at 10:48 PM

Check the update. I now doubt that the quote is based on anything the blogger is really hearing, though the problems that I discuss don’t change all that much as a result. Lefties do seem to think it’s fine for the IC to run policy, and there probably was a sword put to the president on this NIE based on the history of leaks from the administration since the war started. He had to figure that it would leak if he didn’t release it, and whoever leaked it could control the story, so he released it instead.

Bryan on December 7, 2007 at 10:53 PM

I left this at JOM, but since the lefties are all orgasmic over the IC leaking – if true –this is worth passing around.

The most important intelligence employee known to man – told to be the ultimate Iran expert so say Larry C. Johnson (a Pat Lang VIP loser too)had this to say to Haaretz just days before the release of the NIE…

In response to the question of whether Iran will acquire nuclear weapons, Plame Wilson said (before the publication of the new U.S. intelligence report): “They have been operating a clandestine program for 18 years. No doubt they want to be members of the nuclear club.” As part of her work, she and her colleagues in the department worked in coordination with the Israeli intelligence community. But here, too, she cannot say more and is only willing to say that “Israel is our friend in the counter-proliferation and counter-terrorism war.”

Topsecretk9 on December 7, 2007 at 10:57 PM

Twilight Zone…….or maybe Clancy……this all reeks to high heaven (pardon me Huck).

Look…the Pentagon has already stated they DO NOT endorse the finding (thank God for the DIA). The Israeli’s aren’t going to let it go unchallenged….so why let it out?

1. Bryan’s take that Bush did to control the info before it became an even bigger embarrassment.

2. The IC collared an Israeli operation…or believe they could.

3. The left let it out to cause exactly what it has caused…total chaos and confusion regarding Iran.

If 2 or 3…..treason. GD-it 2 or 3 puts YOUR family in the blast area. Smack dab on the bullseye. I’m not outraged….I’m ready for some Yippie-Kayee-MF handed out.

Limerick on December 7, 2007 at 11:03 PM

Topsecretk9 on December 7, 2007 at 10:57 PM

But I thought that we all agreed that Plame Wison was an idiot.

I even made up a ditty about it to the boilerplate of “Secret Agent Man”.

Did I do that ditty for naught?

Did we rehabilitate her when I wasn’t looking?

MB4 on December 7, 2007 at 11:03 PM

Think about what you just said.

If you are correct, then Bush is not upholding the U.S. Constitution, which he took an oath to do, if he does not put “Those imbecils [who] commited treason and sedition on trial and [before a] firing squad”.

MB4 on December 7, 2007 at 10:53 PM

Wrong answer, by preventing unauthorized individuals from leaking information that he himself does have the constitutional authority to release he is in fact upholding the constitution by retaining his constitutional responsibility to set policy. He also as Bryan pointed out deprived them of the ability to control the story, which once again goes back to his constitutional authority to set national policy.

doriangrey on December 7, 2007 at 11:07 PM

Update: It’s just one guy saying he’s hearing stuff

It was probably Dennis Kucinich then.

He sees things, he probably hears things too.

Mystery solved.

MB4 on December 7, 2007 at 11:09 PM

by preventing unauthorized individuals from leaking information that he himself does have the constitutional authority to release he is in fact upholding the constitution by retaining his constitutional responsibility to set policy.

doriangrey on December 7, 2007 at 11:07 PM

I thought that just about the whole line here was that he did not prevent that.

MB4 on December 7, 2007 at 11:12 PM

Buy guns, the end is near.

peacenprosperity on December 7, 2007 at 10:25 PM

May I recommend plenty of .45 9mm .223 .308 30-06 and 22.
You can get cases of 1000 rounds for between 20 – 200 for the above.

Don’t forget cleaning equipment. ( jags, patches, brushes, Hoppes )

TheSitRep on December 7, 2007 at 11:13 PM

If this is true, it’s mutiny. Either way, I think a mass firing at the offices of our National Intelligence agencies is in order. Enough of their insubordination and dishonorable activities (i.e. all the leaks). Enough.

Zorro on December 7, 2007 at 11:13 PM

He also as Bryan pointed out deprived them of the ability to control the story, which once again goes back to his constitutional authority to set national policy.

doriangrey on December 7, 2007 at 11:07 PM

Well, “they” seem to be controlling “the story” pretty damn good.

MB4 on December 7, 2007 at 11:14 PM

MB4 on December 7, 2007 at 11:09 PM

That would be a good guess if Kucinich had anything to do with intelligence… [rim shot]

Bryan on December 7, 2007 at 11:14 PM

If this is true, it’s mutiny. Either way, I think a mass firing squad at the offices of our National Intelligence agencies is in order. Enough of their insubordination and dishonorable activities (i.e. all the leaks). Enough.

Zorro on December 7, 2007 at 11:13 PM

I am joking, of course but there needs to be an investigation and outing. A name that comes to mind is Mark Furman. he is an investigator.

TheSitRep on December 7, 2007 at 11:17 PM

Buy guns, the end is near.
peacenprosperity on December 7, 2007 at 10:25 PM

Fuzzy Math:
Gun show tomorrow + Disability check = AR-15

mojojojo on December 7, 2007 at 11:18 PM

We do need to knock off the firing squad talk.

Bryan on December 7, 2007 at 11:22 PM

That would be a good guess if Kucinich had anything to do with intelligence… [rim shot]

Bryan on December 7, 2007 at 11:14 PM

You are leaving out the possibility that one of those UFO’s he saw abducted him and implanted an intelligence chip into his head. It may have had a time delay and may have just clicked on.

I still think it was him.

MB4 on December 7, 2007 at 11:25 PM

We do need to knock off the firing squad talk.

Bryan on December 7, 2007 at 11:22 PM

Absolutely, or we may see our handywork over at Dailykos tomorrow.

MB4 on December 7, 2007 at 11:27 PM

We do need to knock off the firing squad talk.

Bryan on December 7, 2007 at 11:22 PM

The firing squad talk maybe, but certainly not the criminal investigation into charges that various individuals within the IC did willfully and knowingly commit sedition and or treason. This whole classified information leaking business has got to stop, and the only way it is going to stop is when the individuals responsible for it start finding themselves prosecuted for sedition and treason.

doriangrey on December 7, 2007 at 11:30 PM

doriangrey on December 7, 2007 at 11:30 PM

Investigation, yes. And there will be hearings shortly. Firing squad, no. It makes us look like a bunch of lunatics.

Bryan on December 7, 2007 at 11:32 PM

Line them up and shoot them. That’s what a real President would do.

Tim Burton on December 7, 2007 at 10:28 PM

Andrew Jackson would have challenged them to a duel.
Minimum.

soundingboard on December 7, 2007 at 11:33 PM

MB4 on December 7, 2007 at 11:03 PM…Did we rehabilitate her when I wasn’t looking?

You really couldn’t sense the sarcasm in

The most important intelligence employee known to man – told to be the ultimate Iran expert so say Larry C. Johnson

Really? I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, only this one time.

Pat Lang is a VIP with Larry Johnson – Larry’s famous not only for his most embarassing “There is no terror threat” OP-Ed pre 9-11 but for This BS

Topsecretk9 on December 7, 2007 at 11:35 PM

This is transparent BS. Nobody is going to tell the POTUS that he better do something or they will leak classified intelligence. They may leak it, but they sure as hell won’t TELL him they’re going to do it, and therefore there is no pressure to release it due to threats.

DaveS on December 7, 2007 at 11:41 PM

The firing squad talk maybe, but certainly not the criminal investigation into charges that various individuals within the IC did willfully and knowingly commit sedition and or treason.

doriangrey on December 7, 2007 at 11:30 PM

I could go with that. It would be enlightening to see how it all came out.

MB4 on December 7, 2007 at 11:41 PM

MB4

You a ballon juice warrior?

Topsecretk9 on December 7, 2007 at 11:44 PM

You really couldn’t sense the sarcasm in

The most important intelligence employee known to man – told to be the ultimate Iran expert so say Larry C. Johnson

And you couldn’t sense were I was “coming from” with

But I thought that we all agreed that Plame Wison was an idiot.

I even made up a ditty about it to the boilerplate of “Secret Agent Man”.

Did I do that ditty for naught?

Did we rehabilitate her when I wasn’t looking?

Oh my.

I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, only this one time.

Topsecretk9 on December 7, 2007 at 11:35 PM

Not necessary at all.

MB4 on December 7, 2007 at 11:46 PM

I think what everybody is failing to understand is that the author of the latest NIE was saying the exact opposite thing just four months ago. He was telling Congress under oath that Iran was trying to make nukes. Now, he is saying that Iran stopped it’s nuke program in 2003? Even though Iran is enriching uranium, creating 3,000 plus centrifuges, and refusing to allow IAEA inspections?

In response to Bryan being surprised at Daily Kos, are you serious? Daily Kos are terrorist sympathizers. I know first hand. I’ve been registered on Daily Kos. Twice. I’ve seen it. If Daily Kos had their way, all Al Qaeda terrorists in custody would be immediately set free.

SoulGlo on December 7, 2007 at 11:46 PM

Hey I simultaneously posted a declaimer that I was joking.

But if this is an actual case of sedition, should there not be some extraordinary sentences?

Just askin’

TheSitRep on December 7, 2007 at 11:46 PM

MB4

You a ballon juice warrior?

Topsecretk9 on December 7, 2007 at 11:44 PM

I have no idea what that is.

MB4 on December 7, 2007 at 11:48 PM

I added that to Zorro’s post.

Just to be clear.

TheSitRep on December 7, 2007 at 11:48 PM

Investigation, yes. And there will be hearings shortly. Firing squad, no. It makes us look like a bunch of lunatics.

Bryan on December 7, 2007 at 11:32 PM

Yes but lunatics with guns! lol

Seriously though, I blame Bush for all this. He has never treated treason as a crime so why should anyone be surprised that no one is afraid to do it?

DwnSouthJukin on December 7, 2007 at 11:49 PM

Investigation, yes. And there will be hearings shortly. Firing squad, no. It makes us look like a bunch of lunatics.

Bryan on December 7, 2007 at 11:32 PM

Why? Because we executed somebody? Oh, and on the face of it this looks like a violation of this statute…

US Code – Title 18 – Section 794

TITLE 18–CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE

PART I–CRIMES

CHAPTER 37–ESPIONAGE AND CENSORSHIP

Sec. 794. Gathering or delivering defense information to aid
foreign government

(a) Whoever, with intent or reason to believe that it is to be used
to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of a foreign
nation, communicates, delivers, or transmits, or attempts to
communicate, deliver, or transmit, to any foreign government, or to any
faction or party or military or naval force within a foreign country,
whether recognized or unrecognized by the United States, or to any
representative, officer, agent, employee, subject, or citizen thereof,
either directly or indirectly, any document, writing, code book, signal
book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map,
model, note, instrument, appliance, or information relating to the
national defense, shall be punished by death or by imprisonment for any
term of years or for life, except that the sentence of death shall not
be imposed unless the jury or, if there is no jury, the court, further
finds that the offense resulted in the identification by a foreign power
(as defined in section 101(a) of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance
Act of 1978) of an individual acting as an agent of the United States
and consequently in the death of that individual, or directly concerned
nuclear weaponry, military spacecraft or satellites, early warning
systems, or other means of defense or retaliation against large-scale
attack; war plans; communications intelligence or cryptographic
information; or any other major weapons system or major element of
defense strategy.
(b) Whoever, in time of war, with intent that the same shall be
communicated to the enemy, collects, records, publishes, or
communicates, or attempts to elicit any information with respect to the
movement, numbers, description, condition, or disposition of any of the
Armed Forces, ships, aircraft, or war materials of the United States, or
with respect to the plans or conduct, or supposed plans or conduct of
any naval or military operations, or with respect to any works or
measures undertaken for or connected with, or intended for the
fortification or defense of any place, or any other information relating
to the public defense, which might be useful to the enemy, shall be
punished by death or by imprisonment for any term of years or for life.
(c) If two or more persons conspire to violate this section, and one
or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the
conspiracy, each of the parties to such conspiracy shall be subject to
the punishment provided for the offense which is the object of such
conspiracy.
(d)(1) Any person convicted of a violation of this section shall
forfeit to the United States irrespective of any provision of State
law–
(A) any property constituting, or derived from, any proceeds the
person obtained, directly or indirectly, as the result of such
violation, and
(B) any of the person’s property used, or intended to be used,
in any manner or part, to commit, or to facilitate the commission
of, such violation.

For the purposes of this subsection, the term “State” includes a State
of the United States, the District of Columbia, and any commonwealth,
territory, or possession of the United States.
(2) The court, in imposing sentence on a defendant for a conviction
of a violation of this section, shall order that the defendant forfeit
to the United States all property described in paragraph (1) of this
subsection.
(3) The provisions of subsections (b), (c) and (e) through (p) of
section 413 of the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act
of 1970 (21 U.S.C. 853(b), (c), and (e)-(p)) shall apply to–
(A) property subject to forfeiture under this subsection;
(B) any seizure or disposition of such property; and
(C) any administrative or judicial proceeding in relation to
such property,

if not inconsistent with this subsection.
(4) Notwithstanding section 524(c) of title 28, there shall be
deposited in the Crime Victims Fund in the Treasury all amounts from the
forfeiture of property under this subsection remaining after the payment
of expenses for forfeiture and sale authorized by law.

doriangrey on December 7, 2007 at 11:49 PM

MB4

http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8823

maybe

TheSitRep on December 7, 2007 at 11:50 PM

This is transparent BS. Nobody is going to tell the POTUS that he better do something or they will leak classified intelligence. They may leak it, but they sure as hell won’t TELL him they’re going to do it, and therefore there is no pressure to release it due to threats.

DaveS on December 7, 2007 at 11:41 PM

Good point and it supports my theory that Dennis Kucinich started this whole rumor too.

MB4 on December 7, 2007 at 11:51 PM

And you couldn’t sense were I was “coming from” with

But I thought that we all agreed that Plame Wison was an idiot.

I even made up a ditty about it to the boilerplate of “Secret Agent Man”.

Did I do that ditty for naught?

Did we rehabilitate her when I wasn’t looking?

Oh my.

Alright MB4, but I don’t think anything I said betrayed the notion she’s an idiot. My point is she is an idolized by the nuttards at Kos to be the end all of intelligence, and Iran expert of no other and their beloved idiot thinks Iran’s had a clandestine Nuke effort for 18 years and want to be in the Nuke club.

Topsecretk9 on December 7, 2007 at 11:52 PM

MB4

http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8823

maybe

TheSitRep on December 7, 2007 at 11:50 PM

I am afraid to look.

Maybe I will look later after I have had a couple of beers.

MB4 on December 7, 2007 at 11:53 PM

Why?

Because jumping to the firing squad talk on the mere mention of a problem is more than a little unwise. I don’t need you posting law books to convince me on this either.

Bryan on December 7, 2007 at 11:54 PM

Alright MB4, but I don’t think anything I said betrayed the notion she’s an idiot.

Topsecretk9 on December 7, 2007 at 11:52 PM

Of course it didn’t, but you were having fun, can’t I too?

MB4 on December 7, 2007 at 11:55 PM

Maybe I will look later after I have had a couple of beers.

MB4 on December 7, 2007 at 11:53 PM

Beatcha to it on both counts.

TheSitRep on December 7, 2007 at 11:56 PM

Bryan on December 7, 2007 at 11:54 PM

What ever you say, it’s your house your rules, not mine.

doriangrey on December 7, 2007 at 11:57 PM

doriangrey on December 7, 2007 at 11:57 PM

Cool.

Bryan on December 7, 2007 at 11:58 PM

Good point and it supports my theory that Dennis Kucinich started this whole rumor too.

I am sorry, but that is just stupid and seems to be a conspicious thread plant– as in

Absolutely, or we may see our handywork over at Dailykos tomorrow.

MB4 on December 7, 2007 at 11:27 PM

handywork?

and

I thought that just about the whole line here was that he did not prevent that.

the whole line here

The whold line here, eh?

Giveaways.

Topsecretk9 on December 7, 2007 at 11:59 PM

Investigation, yes. And there will be hearings shortly. Firing squad, no. It makes us look like a bunch of lunatics.

Bryan on December 7, 2007 at 11:32 PM

Yes, there are so many ways that we have to look like lunatics so why pick something so violent?

MB4 on December 8, 2007 at 12:02 AM

I vouch for MB4 100%. He can’t be a lib mole. His posts are way too rational. ( consistently)

TheSitRep on December 8, 2007 at 12:05 AM

Topsecretk9 on December 7, 2007 at 11:59 PM

Giveaways?

Are you joking or are you getting paranoid?

This time I can’t tell.

MB4 on December 8, 2007 at 12:06 AM

MB4 on December 8, 2007 at 12:02 AM

Sheesh. It’s been discussed there MB$ – why so persistent to add to it – blockquote it and paint people as doing what they weren’t intending?

No wait — you are only protecting Hot Air? Right?

Topsecretk9 on December 8, 2007 at 12:06 AM

Giveaways?

sheboliths

TheSitRep on December 8, 2007 at 12:08 AM

MB4, Topsecretk9 is ahead on the beers or other spirits tonight. Give it up – you can’t catch him/her, at least not tonight.

Entelechy on December 8, 2007 at 12:08 AM

TheSitRep on December 8, 2007 at 12:05 AM

And I vouch for TheSitRep 100%.

So that settles it.

MB4 on December 8, 2007 at 12:09 AM

His posts are way too rational. ( consistently)

TheSitRep on December 8, 2007 at 12:05 AM

I vouch for him too. However, do you care to bet on the percentage of that consistency?

Entelechy on December 8, 2007 at 12:10 AM

MB4, Topsecretk9 is ahead on the beers or other spirits tonight. Give it up – you can’t catch him/her, at least not tonight.

Entelechy on December 8, 2007 at 12:08 AM

I have just begun to fight drink!
- John Paul Jones Me

MB4 on December 8, 2007 at 12:12 AM

Oh, now they believe what our intelligence agencies produce, when it fits their agenda.

Neo on December 8, 2007 at 12:13 AM

I vouch for him too. However, do you care to bet on the percentage of that consistency?

Entelechy on December 8, 2007 at 12:10 AM

I have no use for a man who is always consistent. Shows lack of imagination.
- Mark Twain

MB4 on December 8, 2007 at 12:14 AM

Whatever…I don’t consider Bryan or Allah or commenters here as “there are so many ways that we have to look like lunatics” – Sorry. Just don’t. MB4 plants a lot of those notions though,

Topsecretk9 on December 8, 2007 at 12:14 AM

DorianGrey, Entelechy, MB4 and severel others here are a cool drink in a parched desert of ideas and dialog.

TheSitRep on December 8, 2007 at 12:15 AM

TheSitRep and MB4 have much in common with Mark Twain.

Entelechy on December 8, 2007 at 12:16 AM

I mean to say Hotair is the oasis.

TheSitRep on December 8, 2007 at 12:17 AM

It’s Friday night but still, back to topic, but not the FS (for those who’re too inebriated) – it’s on the topic about which no one knows too much about, but claims the contrary. This will remain a secret not to be solved in a long time.

Entelechy on December 8, 2007 at 12:18 AM

No wait — you are only protecting Hot Air? Right?

Topsecretk9 on December 8, 2007 at 12:06 AM

Spread the news that I am back, to protect the protectless, to befriend the friendless, and to defeat the defeatless.

El Zorro MB4 rides again!

My father would be very disappointed in me if I had come all this way just to miss my destiny by… a foot.

MB4 on December 8, 2007 at 12:21 AM

Whatever…I don’t consider Bryan or Allah or commenters here as “there are so many ways that we have to look like lunatics” – Sorry. Just don’t. MB4 plants a lot of those notions though,

Topsecretk9 on December 8, 2007 at 12:14 AM

I respect that AP, The Bry man, and MM have some absolute responsibility to all the bloggers here and to a code of ethics. ( they perform admirably).

You can count on MB4, DorianGrey, and Entelechy to always be truthful and absolutely objective.

Ap and Bryan, I think know this.

TheSitRep on December 8, 2007 at 12:25 AM

MB4 plants a lot of those notions though,

Topsecretk9 on December 8, 2007 at 12:14 AM

When once your point of view is changed, the very thing which was so damning becomes a clue to the truth.
To let the brain work without sufficient material is like racing an engine. It racks itself to pieces.
- Holmes

MB4 on December 8, 2007 at 12:27 AM

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