IC agents threatened to release the NIE if Bush refused to do it? Updated WSJ weighs in
posted at 10:00 pm on December 7, 2007 by Bryan
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I think my outrage meter just broke. I’m not sure it can be fixed. Since when do people on the left think this is a good thing?
“intelligence career seniors were lined up to go to jail if necessary” if the document’s gist were not given to the public. Translation? Someone in that group would have gone to the media “on the record” to disclose its contents.
So once they had produced the 2007 NIE that a) contradicted the 2005 NIE and b) would probably take the wind out of any effort to keep up the pressure on Iran (which, even according to the 2007 NIE did have a clandestine nuclear weapons program, albeit one that might be on hold), the unelected intelligence officers who produced it were prepared to force it into the public if the president himself didn’t release it. They held a sword to the elected president: Release this sensitive and probably problematic and possibly inaccurate document, or we’ll release it even though doing so is illegal.
To answer my own question posed at the top of this post, the only time anyone on the left would think that this is a good thing is when it’s done to a Republican president. Or at least, this Republican president.
Say what you want about President Bush, and everyone left and right is never short of words to describe him, he is the elected president. He does set national policy, at least according to the Constitution. The intelligence community is supposed to answer to him, not the other way around.
If that quote is true, though, the elected president isn’t in charge of the IC at all. It’s in charge of him.
This is a good thing? I don’t see how. It looks like a brazen threat to the republic, regardless of which political party you happen to support. But I guess that’s just me.
What happens if the IDF tells our military during this weekend’s briefings that the NIE is wrong? What then?
Update: Hm. Follow the links all the way out and you just go from one lefty blog to another. There’s no solid sourcing on the quote even on its original blog. It’s just one guy saying he’s hearing stuff, and the one guy likes to toss out the phrase “neocon Jacobins,” whatever that means.
So I’m coming around to doubting the substance of the quote above. I doubt that blogger is really hearing anything but the voices in his own head. That lefties are celebrating what it would mean is still disturbing, though.
What is more likely is that the president knew based on the history of the past few years that there was no way on this earth that that NIE would remain secret. It would be leaked. So he had to release it, whatever he thought of the wisdom of doing so.
Update: This is one of those posts that I come to regret posting the morning after. If it’s not the edginess of the post itself it’s some of the discussion it generates. But here’s some solace. The WSJ has come out agreeing with me.
In this regard, it’s hilarious to see the left and some in the media accuse Mr. Bush once again of distorting intelligence. The truth is the opposite. The White House was presented with this new estimate only weeks ago, and no doubt concluded it had little choice but to accept and release it however much its policy makers disagreed. Had it done otherwise, the finding would have been leaked and the Administration would have been assailed for “politicizing” intelligence.
The result is that we now have NIE judgments substituting for policy in a dangerous way. For one thing, these judgments are never certain, and policy in a dangerous world has to account for those uncertainties. We know from our own sources that not everyone in American intelligence agrees with this NIE “consensus,” and the Israelis have already made clear they don’t either.
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How did you know I was wasted?
Was it my maudlin demeaner? hicup
TheSitRep on December 8, 2007 at 12:28 AM
That’s because he’s an adorable “lunatic”.
Entelechy on December 8, 2007 at 12:33 AM
Heh, TheSitRep, I didn’t know that about you but now I do :)
Entelechy on December 8, 2007 at 12:33 AM
Saddly NO!
Topsecretk9 on December 8, 2007 at 12:34 AM
t’s not Balloon Juice — it’s Saddly Stupid
yeah said,
January 9, 2007 at 5:34
okay, so i just went over to Hotair and they have a story about Somalia. http://hotair.com/archives/2007/01/08/us-gunship-attacks-al-qaeda-in-somalia/#comments
They cite a CBSnews link for the story – then there are 3 posts about “where is the MSM on this? Oh, they are trying to figure out how to make Bush look bad.” This is why these nuts are so fun to mock. The post is a cite to CBS and they wonder where the MSM is?!?!
“and the MSM is saying ?????? cant find it.
shooter on January 8, 2007 at 7:34 PM”
“First, they have to find a way of ascribing it to the divine ascendancy of Reichsfuhrer Pelosi to the throne.
Second, they’ll have to find a way of describing a plane as being “stuck in an unwinnable quagmire� and, thirdly, they’re all waiting for AP to invent an “eyewitness� testifying that the gunship actually took out three orphanages, seven weddings, fifteen mosques and a partridge in a pear tree.
Misha I on January 8, 2007 at 8:28 PM” (yes, that Misha)
“Misha I, loved your summation. Perfect!
Entelechy on January 8, 2007 at 9:07 PM”
Topsecretk9 on December 8, 2007 at 12:35 AM
Inebriated is waaaaay too mild for Topsecretk9, at least for tonight.
Entelechy on December 8, 2007 at 12:40 AM
:::burp:::
baldilocks on December 8, 2007 at 12:44 AM
Paranoia will destroy ya? Maybe.
TheSitRep on December 8, 2007 at 12:46 AM
J, ach du lieber Augustin!
Entelechy on December 8, 2007 at 12:46 AM
baldilocks is another breath of fresh air.
TheSitRep on December 8, 2007 at 12:46 AM
Maybe if I ran what was said in Topsecretk9 on December 8, 2007 at 12:35 AM through the jive translator it might make more sense?
MB4 on December 8, 2007 at 12:48 AM
baldilocks is an entire universe of intelligence, independence, discipline, character, feistiness and objectivity.
Entelechy on December 8, 2007 at 12:49 AM
Maybe Topsecretk9 is behind the IC shenanigans.
Entelechy on December 8, 2007 at 12:51 AM
INDEED brotha!
Kini is awesome too. always funny , sublime, and cool.
TheSitRep on December 8, 2007 at 12:52 AM
No one is perfect.
MB4 on December 8, 2007 at 12:54 AM
MB4 on December 8, 2007 at 12:55 AM
Excellence achieved, perfection pursued
- – Someone or Another
Entelechy on December 8, 2007 at 12:57 AM
are you a goil?
I know Baldi was.
MB4 what are you?
TheSitRep on December 8, 2007 at 1:00 AM
Yes, but does that change anything?
Entelechy on December 8, 2007 at 1:05 AM
Earth science has not progressed far enough yet to tell.
Oh, that’s not what you meant.
Male.
MB4 on December 8, 2007 at 1:08 AM
No I only have to reshuffle my entire universe.
ha ha.
I have read and enjoyed you erudite commits for a while and I guess I just assumed. Your handle having no gender.
Where are you from originally?
TheSitRep on December 8, 2007 at 1:09 AM
YUP.
Griz on December 8, 2007 at 1:09 AM
Not on the internet.
MB4 on December 8, 2007 at 1:09 AM
Transylvania, seriously, Romania
Entelechy on December 8, 2007 at 1:11 AM
YUP.
Griz on December 8, 2007 at 1:09 AM
Don’t believe everything, or not much which relates to secret agencies, no matter who does the ‘leaking’. And that’s the good news.
Entelechy on December 8, 2007 at 1:15 AM
Yes.
These may be much deeper waters than we had thought.
And it is a capital mistake to theorize before you have all the evidence. It biases the judgment.
- Holmes
MB4 on December 8, 2007 at 1:20 AM
Wow do you remember Soviet rule etc.?
TheSitRep on December 8, 2007 at 1:23 AM
oops.
Wow do you remember Soviet rule etc.?
TheSitRep on December 8, 2007 at 1:24 AM
TSR, yes I do, I was born into it – that’s why I have no tolerance for clueless lefties who claim what heavens communism/socialism are. More on this previous, or later.
We need to keep on topic.
Entelechy on December 8, 2007 at 1:31 AM
What was the topic again?
MB4 on December 8, 2007 at 1:33 AM
Whistles quietly to self…
doriangrey on December 8, 2007 at 1:33 AM
The subject not many know much about, claiming the contrary.
Dorian, how are you? You and I need to think about organizing the SD get-together of 2008.
Entelechy on December 8, 2007 at 1:36 AM
indeed.
I wrote in some article once that: “Socialism is such a bad idea that it requires totalitarianism to in force it”
When I look at what the founders of the U.S. did It blows my mind.
Just think. at that time in history when there was no free man on Earth. Every person was a subject to a chieftain, King, sultan, or what ever, these men started something awesome that I am thankful for every single day.
I am soooooo glad that you are here to share what is left of it , anyway
TheSitRep on December 8, 2007 at 1:43 AM
While wishing he had my 32 inch waste and could do
80, 60,40 push ups.MB4 on December 8, 2007 at 1:46 AM
TSR, America was invented so I can enjoy her :) She’s an awesome lady. I’ve read most of your posts too and we are on the same wavelengths.
Entelechy on December 8, 2007 at 1:47 AM
What’s the frequency
DanEntelechy?MB4 on December 8, 2007 at 1:50 AM
The main topic here is the threat of subversion.
TheSitRep on December 8, 2007 at 1:51 AM
Wavelengths is plural – there are several – you’re on them already.
Entelechy on December 8, 2007 at 1:52 AM
446.5 mhz
TheSitRep on December 8, 2007 at 1:52 AM
Notice how quiet Ahmadinejad has been lately?
Entelechy on December 8, 2007 at 1:58 AM
as you were! most likly 2.4 GHz, 802.11b and 802.11g
TheSitRep on December 8, 2007 at 1:58 AM
That narrows it down a little.
MB4 on December 8, 2007 at 2:00 AM
Surely there has to be a way to deal with that guy, you know with out getting it in the news or making a scene.
capiche?
TheSitRep on December 8, 2007 at 2:01 AM
Don’t forget 3.9 GHz. That’s one of my personal favorites.
MB4 on December 8, 2007 at 2:02 AM
TSR, I’m sure it was a mistake, but I want to sleep well tonight, secure in the knowledge that Dan and I don’t have much in common :)
Too many beers will increase that line MB, but the farm will keep it off, I’m sure.
Good night all – maybe tomorrow brings new enlightenment on this or other topics. It sure is never boring here.
Entelechy on December 8, 2007 at 2:07 AM
He has probably been spending a lot of his time the last few days on the phone with Chavez consoling him.
MB4 on December 8, 2007 at 2:07 AM
I’m doing pretty good, start a new job Monday, looking forward to that. Composite manufacturing telescopic microwave antenna’s for the military.
Nope, quite satisfied with my 34 inch waist, but 10 push ups would be nice…
doriangrey on December 8, 2007 at 2:08 AM
Good night, sleep tight and don’t let the
vampiresbed bugs bite.MB4 on December 8, 2007 at 2:09 AM
Connie on December 8, 2007 at 2:10 AM
No farm, just solitude.
MB4 on December 8, 2007 at 2:13 AM
Dorian, congratulations on the new job. Very happy for you.
MB4, no bed bugs, ever, where I’m at. Eine reine Dame.
Entelechy on December 8, 2007 at 2:13 AM
Hey! if y’all shoot me a mailing address thru http://www.thesitrep.com/contact.php i’ll send ya’ll a cool bumper sticker.
TheSitRep on December 8, 2007 at 2:17 AM
Do you leave it all wild? No clearing work? Either way, sounds great.
Entelechy on December 8, 2007 at 2:18 AM
Thank you, and I am looking forward to the get together.
doriangrey on December 8, 2007 at 2:18 AM
hmmm, a bumper sticker on my Corvette….Thanks for the offer, but that would get me thrown out of the Corvette club…
doriangrey on December 8, 2007 at 2:20 AM
Ya dont have to put it on your car.
TheSitRep on December 8, 2007 at 2:22 AM
Some clear, some Douglas firs, some field grass. Lots of wild Blackberries, they are almost indestructable.
MB4 on December 8, 2007 at 2:24 AM
Night all.
TheSitRep on December 8, 2007 at 2:24 AM
Gute Nacht alle.
MB4 on December 8, 2007 at 2:28 AM
Oh well, thats different I suppose, although I didn’t know I had any other bumpers…
doriangrey on December 8, 2007 at 3:37 AM
The inevitable end result of New Tone-ism. May our next president have the foresight and balls to crush the Left, not credit its treason with “good intentions”.
Halley on December 8, 2007 at 4:24 AM
While we are on here wringing our hands not one thing is changing and ROME IS BURNING.. The CIA and the state dept are full of communists.. They do not fear words…
build the wall on December 8, 2007 at 7:43 AM
Line them up and shoot them. That’s what a real President would do.
Tim Burton on December 7, 2007 at 10:28 PM
Like Sean Penn?
Hening on December 8, 2007 at 7:49 AM
Congressmen wailing for the rights of terrorist murderers at Gitmo.
Congressmen rooting for the enemy to win in Iraq and for legitimization of illegal alien criminals for political gain.
A frustrated “victim” wipes out 8 at a Nebraska shopping mall to send a “message”.
A movie is made (Redacted) sure to inspire riots from unstable Muslim psychopaths.
A intelligent report, ill-timed, is sent out by agencies filled with Clinton worshipers and other traitors simply because those agencies hate Bush more than they love their country.
What is the COMMON DENOMINATOR? A socialistic educational system that teaches that the USA (and, to some degree, Israel) is responsible for all the misery in the world.
MaiDee on December 8, 2007 at 10:12 AM
Looks that way to me too. This conflict’s headed for the streets. The country’s in deep trouble.
petefrt on December 8, 2007 at 10:17 AM
Key is the question of why Bush declassified this so quickly.
He could have easily sat on it for a couple of weeks and spun it as time he needed to decide a National Strategy because the intelligence has changed…
But this was pretty much IMMEDIATELY declassified… before the administration could get up to speed and make decisions as of how to proceed with a MAJOR national policy decision.
The Administration did not even apparently get a chance to talk to Congress about it… Even though Congress was partly briefed, they got blindsided by the bombshell too.
Whole thing needs investigation.
Romeo13 on December 8, 2007 at 10:38 AM
Impeachment? The purpose of this NIE was to create an environment for impeachment:
If our elected commander-in-chief deems preemptive action is needed against Iran, the
DemocratSocialist-controlled House will impeach him and theDemocratSocialist-controlled Senate will convict him.ITookTheRedPill on December 8, 2007 at 10:50 AM
If the quote ends up being true the “intelligence agents” should be tried for sedition immediately!
davenp35 on December 8, 2007 at 11:01 AM
The WSJ is spot on. Bush failed to discipline his unruly “children” and it just has enabled them more. I think a valid question to ask the GOP presidential candidates might be how they intend to take out the CIA and NIE trash who oppose their administration agendas, if elected.
a capella on December 8, 2007 at 12:17 PM
‘the bulk of the Japanese fleet is believed headed to the Kra Pennisula’(sic)…
Limerick on December 8, 2007 at 12:19 PM
It seems to me there has to be a dissenting opinion somewhere in the intelligence community. Isn’t that the really important opinion being covered up, now?
A la the Dems logic, isn’t that the opinion that we should be trusting?
Dusty on December 8, 2007 at 12:41 PM
In a lot of respects this is Bush’s fault. When he fired Porter Goss instead of letting him finish firing people at the CIA he set this whole thing up. Now the anti Bush people in the intelligence community think they can get away with anything. I strongly suspect that that “summary” which was released is not supported by the base document. This is the same tactic that started the global warming scare.
duff65 on December 8, 2007 at 3:54 PM
The truth about Iran will come rising out of a mushroom cloud, and it won’t take 100 years like the truth about global warming. Truthfully, I’m telling myself, “What the hell, their nukes won’t reach over here so who the hell cares? If it’s a mushroom cloud the goddamn left needs to see the reality of what this world is facing, then give ‘em the goddamn mushroom cloud. It isn’t gonna be in my backyard anyway.”
Bush and those of us who support his anti-terrorism efforts are begging these loony leftists, “Please, let us save your asses, and the millions of innocents around the world these people want to kill.” And we’re doing a damn good job of it, despite the constant treasonous efforts of POS’s like those CIA partisan democrat hacks who released this bogus report. Maybe it’s just time to say screw it, let the genocidal beasts loose, and ask the last liberal standing, “Do you get it now? Do you fuck*** understand now?”
Is it wrong to feel that way?
Rational Thought on December 8, 2007 at 5:43 PM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071208/NATION/112080051/1001
I recall reading that Tom Fingar, Vann Van Diepen, and Kenneth Brill are notorious for being anti-Bush administration foreign policy. In fact, I believe Colin Powell fired Brill from the State Department and he was rehired for his present position by John Negroponte.
a capella on December 8, 2007 at 6:55 PM
Bryan-
James Lewis writing at American Thinker posits a high-stakes drama in regard to this:
What if the NIE is a Bush gambit?
It makes for some interesting reading.
JiangxiDad on December 8, 2007 at 7:28 PM
Very interesting read, now check this one out, seems James Lewis isnt the only one thinking along those lines…
doriangrey on December 8, 2007 at 8:50 PM
To be crystal clear, if the intelligence community was indeed threatening to release the NIE without the President’s approval my opinion of that action would be that that’s mutiny. The phrase “mass firing” should be understood to mean mass dismissals. The SiteRep added the word “squad” to my comment without noting the addition. I am dismayed. Please do not do that again.
Zorro on December 8, 2007 at 8:58 PM
The least this Pres. could do is can every single Clinton appointee and hire before he leaves office.
Better seven years late than never.
In between firings he could have a fireside chat with America and do like Bolton and debunk this FIE point by point.
Speakup on December 8, 2007 at 9:31 PM
FIE=NIE Typo
Speakup on December 8, 2007 at 9:32 PM
Hirees would be a problem. A big one.
baldilocks on December 8, 2007 at 9:37 PM
I’m looking forward to tomorrow, when Israel’s intelligence blows the NIE piece to smithereens.
Then again, maybe it won’t much matter, as MSM will ignore it.
petefrt on December 8, 2007 at 9:42 PM
Yes!
petefrt on December 8, 2007 at 9:52 PM
Gut the intelligence apparatus and start over. Iraq demonstrates that they are incompetant, and a thousand other stories demonstrate that they a) tilt dangerously left, and b) are willing to violate the law and undermine national security to effect their policy preferences.
Gut it like a fish.
Jaibones on December 9, 2007 at 9:07 AM
Another? Max Boot in today’s WSJ argues for increased pressure on Arab gulf states to confront Iran themselves. He doesn’t specifically connect this with the NIE report, but it’s of a theme.
JiangxiDad on December 9, 2007 at 10:21 AM
Yep, all three articles seem to suggest that the Bush administration is forcing a Arab/Israeli initiated military confrontation with Iran. A couple of other interesting bits of information seem to support this assessment.
U.S. Set to Offer Huge Arms Deal to Saudi Arabia
And
Russian navy to start sorties in Mediterranean
doriangrey on December 9, 2007 at 12:41 PM
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