Would-be burglars shot by Houston man were in the US illegally
posted at 5:24 pm on December 6, 2007 by Bryan
I’m sure you’ve heard some of the story, but in case not, last month Pasadena, TX man Joe Horn shot and killed two men who were breaking into his neighbor’s property. The entire incident was recorded, as he was on the phone with 911 when he exited his home to shoot the two men.
It turns out that the would-be burglars were in the US illegally, and both were known criminals.
Miguel Dejesus and Diego Ortiz were both from Colombia. Dejesus spent six years in a Texas prison for drug dealing, then was deported. Obviously, he came back illegally. Ortiz was arrested by Houston police on a drug charge. We don’t know much more about him, because Houston is a “Sanctuary City” and does not cooperate with Homeland Security or with the press in matters involving criminal aliens.
That last sentence probably answers why they weren’t deported again: Houston’s sanctuary policies.
And they were already being watched by the Texas Department of Public Safety during their most recent illegal stay in the US for allegedly using fraudulent documents to obtain valid Texas drivers licenses.
According to a DPS memo obtained by 11 News, the department was investigating the use of Puerto Rican birth certificates by Colombians seeking to obtain Texas driver’s licenses.
Both Ortiz and Dejesus had applied for licenses. Dejesus listed his country of origin as Puerto Rico, but both men were Colombian.
Apparently, the DPS is investigating hundreds of immigrants who may have used illegal papers to get Texas licenses.
But that’s not all.
A much wider probe has been launched into an organized syndicate of Colombians who are engaged in illegal weapons sales and home break-ins – just like the one Ortiz and Dejesus were involved in last month in Pasadena.
How many more of these stories do we have to hear before Washington gets a clue and secures the border? Too many.
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Sanctuary cities should lose all federal funding.
aunursa on December 6, 2007 at 5:27 PM
Wow.
I’m shocked….and stunned.
The Ugly American on December 6, 2007 at 5:27 PM
they’re Gods children too.
/Huck
amish on December 6, 2007 at 5:27 PM
Thank you, Mr. Horn, for doing the job the federal government won’t do.
ReubenJCogburn on December 6, 2007 at 5:30 PM
Horn’s one mistake? Using language like “I’ll kill ‘em” (or something along those lines). If anything hangs him, it’ll be that. I would argue that it’s just a turn of phrase in common use when people are stressed and frustrated/angry…not a literal premeditation.
Texas law permits deadly force in defense of property.
Chalk up two more for the good guys
Ochlan on December 6, 2007 at 5:31 PM
It’s hard to have pity for illegal immigrant thieves but listening to that audio did the trick. Joe Horn is a sick man.
crr6 on December 6, 2007 at 5:31 PM
The thing that really infuriates me about this is that the race baiting charlatans in Texas made this yet another “white oppresses black” issue.
If the shooter had been black, and the robbers white, you’d have seen no protests on the streets. As it should be. This should not be a racial issue.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Hawkins1701 on December 6, 2007 at 5:31 PM
I spoke with one of John Horns neighbors he said that Horn was the best guy on earth. He has set up a pay pal fund that goes to the : Joe Horn Defense fund at the Chase bank.
That is where you can drop off a check.
Another buddy of mine in Pasadena is selling Pro Joe Horn / anti-Quanell X T-shirts. So I set up a site for him to sell them at
teequick.com
TheSitRep on December 6, 2007 at 5:33 PM
Fixed.
MadisonConservative on December 6, 2007 at 5:34 PM
And you are too. Joe Horn deserves a medal. The law of the old West: Thieves are bad enough, but drug-dealing illegals are worse. They got what they deserved.
Andy in Agoura Hills on December 6, 2007 at 5:35 PM
What’s wrong with you people? Have you no souls? Don’t you know they just want to come here to work? At jobs that you won’t do? Your big mean racist policies forced those poor simple men to the brink of desperation. They probably just needed little extra cash to feed their families, and then you shoot them dead just because their skin is brown.
peski on December 6, 2007 at 5:40 PM
I’m sure some of the anointed ones around here will argue in favor of the deceased despite the activities they were engaged in, as well as for the full prosecution of Joe Horn. This way they can distinguish themselves from us benighted, mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging troglodyte reactionaries that believe in the defense of private property from criminals like this.
thirteen28 on December 6, 2007 at 5:40 PM
Joe Horn – American Hero
Kini on December 6, 2007 at 5:41 PM
Sorry, I think I was channeling Jerry Rivers for a minute there.
peski on December 6, 2007 at 5:41 PM
Here’s some interesting, related video from Pat Dollards site (WARNING: Ripe language alert!)
Dejesus and Ortiz: Just committing the crimes Americans won’t commit.
Frozen Tex on December 6, 2007 at 5:42 PM
If Mr. Horn ever has to go to trial, this information should be helpful.
Valiant on December 6, 2007 at 5:45 PM
It’s old law in the US, and still Texas law to shoot trespassers, and even more justified that they were trespassing while committing a crime. What should he have done? Sit by and wait for them to run away? I’ll make sure and sit by and wait for the cops to show up in 5 minutes or so while your house is being burgled, or you’re being beaten up, or some woman you care about is being raped.
Wouldn’t you call THAT sick?
MadisonConservative on December 6, 2007 at 5:47 PM
O’Reilly actually had a whole segment about this last night Bryan… might be worth adding, particularly to see how in denial the “other side” remains.
RightWinged on December 6, 2007 at 5:48 PM
I was waiting for somebody to jump on you because they thought you were serious.
ReubenJCogburn on December 6, 2007 at 5:50 PM
This country is scary.
The DA may prosecute Joe Horn for killing thieving, drug-dealing illegal aliens.
What chance does he stand against the State???
Well, two Border Patrol agents shot a drug smuggler in the a$$ (and did not kill him) at the Mexican border and got 10 years. Right is wrong. Up is down. Left is right. Joe Horn is doomed unfortunately.
Andy in Agoura Hills on December 6, 2007 at 5:51 PM
We need to quit feeling sorry when bad guys find they’re own just deserts.
The right thing isn’t always the easy thing.
Speakup on December 6, 2007 at 5:54 PM
Looks like Joe Horn did us all a favor. It was only a matter of time before those burglars raped or murdered someone.
SoulGlo on December 6, 2007 at 5:57 PM
Apparently not closely enough or is it Texas’ policy to watch illegal aliens prey on citizens?
Dusty on December 6, 2007 at 5:59 PM
During the holiday season, it’s common for criminals to case out houses. That’s exactly what happened to me last night – the police were called, etc. etc. etc. these guys were looking in my window, obviously up to no good. Now, the over and under is put together, under my bed – just in case. I have small kids to defend and if someone is in my house who shouldn’t be, I’ll shoot – and Texas law will be on my side.
pullingmyhairout on December 6, 2007 at 6:00 PM
Yep. It’s only a small leap to go from a common burglar to an armed murderer.
pullingmyhairout on December 6, 2007 at 6:01 PM
Johnny Sutton could not be reached for comment.
HerrMorgenholz on December 6, 2007 at 6:02 PM
Heh.
SouthernGent on December 6, 2007 at 6:04 PM
Just a few more details about this criminal alien ring in Pasadena…
They are well-armed and very violent. They have asaulted and killed others. Mr. Horn had every reason to believe that his life was in danger when he tried to stop the burglary and they both came after him. Now other criminal aliens in the gang will have to think twice before invading more homes. That makes Pasadena a little safer today, thanks to Mr. Horn and no thanks to sanctuary policies.
Redhead Infidel on December 6, 2007 at 6:04 PM
Joe: good start!!
Houston: People who believe in “sanctuary cities” should not be allowed to lock their cars or homes, and should be required to share their SSN and bank account numbers with everyone who asks until they get their heads right.
landlines on December 6, 2007 at 6:06 PM
Horn should sue for emotional distress. The authorities were clearly negligent in allowing known illegal aliens, with criminal backgrounds, free to terrorize the people of Joe Horn’s community.
sweeper on December 6, 2007 at 6:07 PM
Sounds to me that Joe is “Mad as Hell and he ain’t goin’ to take it anymore!”
PappaMac on December 6, 2007 at 6:08 PM
I grew up in Pasadena. Joe Horn lives one street over from good friends of mine. They told me the race baiter Quanell X held a march this past Sunday in their neighborhood. They had to have a SWAT team in full gear to keep the neighbors from attacking Quanell. I love my hometown.
silenced majority on December 6, 2007 at 6:10 PM
peski on December 6, 2007 at 5:40 PM:
Are you saying that we need illegals to do the jobs our own citizen burglars and citizen drug dealers won’t do?
landlines on December 6, 2007 at 6:10 PM
I want Mr. Horn on my Neighborhood Watch team.
burnitup on December 6, 2007 at 6:14 PM
Weren’t the Border Patrol agents tried in federal court? That’s a whole different animal than the courts of the state of Texas. Comparing the two is apples and oranges. I wish Mr. Horn had been in Arlington when my apartment was broken into a few years back – at least then the SOBs would have been caught.
Alia on December 6, 2007 at 6:14 PM
No, Mr. Horn is NOT a sick man. The illegal intruders were the sick SOB’s. Mr. Horn is an American hero!
Horn did the right thing in calling 911. If the Cops had gotten to the place sooner, those illegals would be alive, free and most likely breaking into someone else’s house right about now.
Here in Texas many of us own and know how to use our guns.
More responsible homeowners with guns = Less criminals.
Its that simple.
SouthernPride on December 6, 2007 at 6:23 PM
The video I linked is from the march you mentioned.
Frozen Tex on December 6, 2007 at 6:24 PM
Sorry, the link is way up there, at 5:42pm.
Frozen Tex on December 6, 2007 at 6:25 PM
On Sept. 1 or Oct. 1 Texas passed our Castle Doctrine law which, in addition to saying a person does not have to retreat when faced with a threat, also makes it much more difficult for a victim defending himself to be sued in civil court. We’ve had a number of people shooting others while protecting their property at nighttime – which was a pretty big no no even before the Castle Doctrine. One guy has actually shot 2 different crooks on 2 different occasions in about a 2 or 3 week period while protecting his stuff. We refer to these fine, upstanding citizens as Castle Doctrine Bad Asses.
It’ll be interesting to see how things move along, not in the criminal courts but in the civil courts. Prior to the Doctrine one was almost guaranteed to spend upwards of $100,000 just defending themselves after shooting someone in self defense because over 90% of the time the perp’s family would get all lawyered up and sue.
I hope Mr. Horn has absolutely no legal worries ($$$), criminal or civil, under the cloak of the Castle Doctrine.
BowHuntingTexas on December 6, 2007 at 6:26 PM
Re: the Castle Doctrine.
Doesn’t Mr. Horn state in the 911 call that one of them (or both?) came onto his lawn.
Case Closed.
SouthernPride on December 6, 2007 at 6:30 PM
Yeah, as recently shown by the death of Sean Taylor.
EnochCain on December 6, 2007 at 6:39 PM
I don’t feel one bit sorry those illegal thugs. I’m glad they were shot dead. They deserved it. If I was in Mr. Horn’s shoes and they came on my lawn?……KABOOM!!!!!! Bastards!
Winebabe on December 6, 2007 at 6:41 PM
Border patrol?
locomotivebreath1901 on December 6, 2007 at 6:44 PM
When i heard this before, i said they probably deserved it, but after listening to that tape, I’m not so sure. No matter who they are…maybe because I’m a med student and I see people die everyday, but I don’t have pity for this Joe Horn guy.
He basically decided to execute these guys, even when they were begging him not to. That disturbs me…
Chudi on December 6, 2007 at 6:45 PM
Buh-Bye Messrs. Ortiz and Dejesus. May the Gates of Hell hit you in the asses on the way in.
crr6: No, it’s the bleeding heart criminal-loving libs who are the truly sick people.
infidel4life on December 6, 2007 at 6:45 PM
Looks just like how my friend described it. She said every time Quanell X went to speak all the bikers revved up their bikes to drown him out. Heh, I love it. Quanell X is barking up the wrong tree, he won’t find any sympathizers around here.
silenced majority on December 6, 2007 at 6:49 PM
So, if any of us lives next door to or near crr6, there will be no need to attempt to protect him/her, or his/her family members or property, should there be a break in at his/her house. Don’t want to be thought of as “sick” now, do we.
%-(
leepro on December 6, 2007 at 6:50 PM
Yeah, it looked great. I’d like to see the same thing at “peace” protests.
Frozen Tex on December 6, 2007 at 6:56 PM
Not only that, but he warned those guys. On the tape you here him say, “Move and you’re dead.” They moved.
I certainly wouldn’t move if I jumped a fence only to see a guy pointing a shotgun at me.
thule on December 6, 2007 at 6:58 PM
But – but – but – you fear-mongering neocons, don’t you know that deporting undocumented immigrants like these guys would be RACIST! According to the new religion of Holy Liberalism, anybody who really, really wants to be here in the USA should be allowed in, because after all these folks are just coming here to make a better life, right? “We’re a nation of immigrants”; “diversity is good”; …uh, “doing the jobs Americans won’t do”. Did I get all the catch-phrases? And, didn’t our very own President call the anti-shamnesty crowd “haters” and “bigots”? So you see, keeping America safe for the Americans is (in this brave new world) so verrry un-American….
A_Nonny_Mouse on December 6, 2007 at 7:00 PM
‘scuse me? “begging him not to” ??? What alternate-reality news reports have you been reading?
infidel4life on December 6, 2007 at 7:02 PM
Wait till the Democrats and Bush administration crank up the story that Horn didn’t warn them in Spanish. Oh yeah, it’s coming.
Buzzy on December 6, 2007 at 7:03 PM
The thieves are 100% responsible for what happened. The fact is that had they not entered that house, they would be alive.
jman on December 6, 2007 at 7:03 PM
If you want to say the shooting was justified, I get that. That’s a legal argument, and Mr. Horn may well have been within his rights. Please don’t say the burglars “deserved it,” though. Theft is not a capital offense, and shouldn’t be.
RightOFLeft on December 6, 2007 at 7:09 PM
the guy on the tape…the 911 guy was begging him not to shoot them. maybe you should listen to the tape…Again, I had no problem with what he did, until I heard the tape.
I don’t know how any of you can say you were not a little disturbed with his response on that tape….him saying they are getting away, and they have something. Then telling the 911 guy that he’s going to shoot them…making him hear the sound of the sot gun, and then going out and shooting them. That disturbs me…
If they broke into his housse, or he saw them in his neighbors house, and he shot them, I wouldn’t have a problem with it. I will even applaud him, but the circumstances here, with him calling 911, and the conservation makes me think he should be charged. He basically executed because he could.
Chudi on December 6, 2007 at 7:11 PM
Race has nothing to do with this issue. that’s what Quannel X would like you to believe. here in Houston, we’ve been watching this with great interest. since the state passed the Castle Doctrine, we can use deadly force if we feel our lives are in danger. the question here is, did this man feel his life was in danger.
Bill O. seems to miss that point, focusing on the color of the robbers’ skin. if they were yellow, brown, blue, or mauve, the man still would have shot.
danger is danger, and we are hoping he’s cleared of any wrongdoing.
madmonkphotog on December 6, 2007 at 7:15 PM
No jury in Texas is going to convict this guy. If anything, he’s going to have lots of folks asking him to move into their neighborhood.
And yes, the thieves deserved it. If you get drunk and drive 100 mph, you deserve what you get. If you break into someone’s home, there may be an armed person waiting for you, and you deserve what you get.
Sugar Land on December 6, 2007 at 7:18 PM
That is not what you said in your previous post. You stated that the robbers were begging him not to shoot them and he executed them in cold blood. You’re being dishonest here Chudi.
And the 911 operator was not there on scene. He can recommend but he doesn’t have authority to order a private citizen around.
Anyway, your tactics of trying to shame the rest of us for not being ‘disturbed’ by Mr. Horn’s actions aren’t going to fly around here. What is disturbing is when criminals like these two thugs victimize whomever they want to and no one wants to ‘get involved’ to help the victims. Mr. Horn can be my neighbor anytime.
infidel4life on December 6, 2007 at 7:24 PM
He can definitely be your neighbor, but he crossed the line when the 911 obviously told him not to shoot them, and he still did…if he didn’t call and shot them, I will agree with him. He executed those guys.
Chudi on December 6, 2007 at 7:46 PM
I’m surprised that none of us have said it yet, including me (either that or I overlooked it), but if someone like Joe Horn had been allowed to carry at the Westroads mall yesterday, a lot of innocent people might still be alive.
ReubenJCogburn on December 6, 2007 at 7:46 PM
That was inspiring. I would like to see more of that. I am wearing a Dallas Cowboys hat from now on. The Lone Star will remind me that I am not alone.
ronsfi on December 6, 2007 at 7:46 PM
Maybe he did. Maybe he didn’t. I still don’t really care- they were burlars, and that they were robbing a neighbors house instead of his own is little more than a technicality for me. I wouldn’t have done the same, but likewise don’t mind that he did.
The next house they burlarized could’ve been occupied, and the residents “executed”. Whatever the law, I’d be practicing a bit of jury nullification were I on the jury by voting “not guilty”.
Hollowpoint on December 6, 2007 at 8:03 PM
What I heard was a 911 operator scaring Mr Horn. “Don’t go out there and get shot” “Don’t go out there they’ll shoot you”… multiple times. The “Wanna bet” and “I’ll kill them” came in response to those remarks…
I have to go, it makes my head hurt… Somebody let me know when it’s time to take our country back from big business, illegal immigrants, criminals, politicians (almost the same thing) and socialists….
BadBrad on December 6, 2007 at 8:08 PM
Chudi,
Who made the 911 guy God? Where does he get the authority to order a private citizen to desist from protecting private property and/or innocent human life? Even killing thugs is tragic and Mr. Horn will likely be haunted by this the rest of his life. However, we need to encourage this type of law-abiding home defense. I know Pasadena is safer for it.
ConstantSorrow on December 6, 2007 at 8:17 PM
Pushing up daisies.
It’s great to see there’s some jobs, Americans are still willing to do…
DThorn on December 6, 2007 at 8:18 PM
BadBrad you’re living in dream world if you think these criminals would think twice about executing you if they had the chance. Get over it!
xler8bmw on December 6, 2007 at 8:23 PM
Must be nice making the call like Mr. 911 operator when you are nice and safe away from the scene.
EnochCain on December 6, 2007 at 8:28 PM
It’s sad when anyone dies a violent death but my late Grandmother use to say, when you go out looking for trouble, don’t be surprised when it finds you.
Mr. Horn did the right thing. He is a hero, not a vigilante. If those who have the authority to safe guard our cities refuse to do so, then We the People must defend ourselves. The Second Amendment at work.
The disturbing news in this post in my opinion is:
I think the FBI need to visit Puerto Rico and get to the bottom of this pronto.
Zorro on December 6, 2007 at 9:00 PM
yeah if someone is stealing property from my house please don’t walk outside and shoot them with a shotgun. I’d rather explain the stolen property to my kids then the 2 dead guys on my lawn. Priorities guys,priorities.
crr6 on December 6, 2007 at 9:13 PM
I hope that this doesn’t sound too raaaaacist, but as soon as I heard the late would-be burglars’ names, I thought that they might be illegals.
Damian G. on December 6, 2007 at 9:18 PM
If you break into a house, that presupposes your intent to do harm to its residents. The grey area is that the homeowner doesn’t know what kind of harm you want to do.
So he has to prepare for the worst.
The criminals, as they were dying, probably didn’t think they “deserved it”. But I doubt they were surprised that they “got it”.
Zach on December 6, 2007 at 9:29 PM
Again…
To you folks who believe Mr. Horn was wrong:
He called 911 to report the robbery.
He waited on line with the dispatcher for several minutes hoping the Cops would arrive in time to stop them. If they had, he would not have shot the SOB’s.
Again, if the Cops had gotten there in time, the SOB’s would be deported and would soon be back to burglarize someone else’s home. All thanks to Mayor Goofy White’s Sanctuary City policies.
Believe me if those SOB’s had the balls to break into a home in broad daylight, they would have the balls to do worse… rape, murder, etc.
Its PAST time to let criminals know that innocent people have had enough! I’m not about to sit back and let them invade my home and possibly take the life of my friend or loved one.
Lots of cliche’s work here but my favorite is:
When you play with fire your gonna git burned.
Mr. Horn burned em’.
SouthernPride on December 6, 2007 at 9:35 PM
To Senors DeJesus and Ortiz…A.M.F. (Adios Mother Fu#$%rs)
FishFearMe on December 6, 2007 at 9:37 PM
uhh dude. The guy who shot them wasn’t the homeowner. It was the next door neighbor. There was obviously no threat to him considering they were going away from the house when he walked out and shot them.
crr6 on December 6, 2007 at 9:38 PM
Also, and someone correct me if I’m mistaken, isn’t it also legal here in Texas to do exactly what Mr. Horn did? If you see a burlary or serious crime in progress, you can legally use force to try and stop it.
SouthernPride on December 6, 2007 at 9:40 PM
Did he have one of those shotgun choppers from the other thread?
BacaDog on December 6, 2007 at 9:47 PM
I was explaining why breaking and entering is a capital offense, not commenting on what Horn did.
Zach on December 6, 2007 at 9:47 PM
I will support Mr. Horn’s decision unless it is discovered that the perps had already surrendered to him when he shot them. Otherwise, I WASN’T THERE and neither were any of you pantywaist criminal sympathizers. Mr. Horn is not the one with the criminal record. He did not initiate a criminal act on anyone. If you have ever had a close neighbor robbed or whose HOME has been invaded, your sense of security may never come back and those scum will OWN you. We need about 200 million more of Mr. Horn. Grow a pair and be more concerned for civilization than for those who take advantage of and destroy it.
ConstantSorrow on December 6, 2007 at 9:50 PM
That means,for these thugs,no more crime,
and especially,no more house break-ins,
sounds like they were Dirty-Harried,and
I think,thats a good thing.
canopfor on December 6, 2007 at 9:51 PM
You need to understand Texas law, in this state you are well within your rights to use deadly force to stop any robbery. And protecting your neighbors property is the same as protecting your own.
Justice was served. It may be hard and a bit ugly, but that is the way it should be handled when you have jackball politicians like the Houston Mayor that will prevent the police from checking the status of these creeps and let them bond out to victimize someone else. And they would, but Mr. Horn put a stop to that vicious cycle.
conservnut on December 6, 2007 at 9:59 PM
exactly.
crr6, I live in a nice part of town in my city in Texas and there’s been a rash of robberies and home invasions lately, at night, while the homeowners are asleep. It happened to our neighbor and we are all being VERY vigilant.
I had three guys casing my house and my neighbor’s house last night – so please don’t insult me by saying that they are “no threat.” To me, anyone walking up my driveway in the middle of the night, peeking in my windows and in those of my neighbors, are a BIG THREAT. PERIOD.
And, if I have to explain to my two small children why there are dead guys in the house or on the lawn it’ll be something like this: “They were trying to break into our home and hurt us. Don’t worry, baby, Mommy took care of it.”
The guys stealing your neighbors stuff next door are just as likely to hit you next. It’s call preventative medicine and it works every time.
pullingmyhairout on December 6, 2007 at 10:00 PM
The following is from the Castle Doctrine of Texas…I have copied and pasted it EXACTLY as it is written:
Sec. 9.32. DEADLY FORCE IN DEFENSE OF PERSON. (a) A person
is justified in using deadly force against another:
(1) if the actor [he] would be justified in using force
against the other under Section 9.31; and
(2) [if a reasonable person in the actor's situation
would not have retreated; and
[(3)] when and to the degree the actor [he] reasonably
believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to protect the actor [himself] against the
other’s use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force; or
(B) to prevent the other’s imminent commission of
aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual
assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery.
FishFearMe on December 6, 2007 at 10:03 PM
Zach under the law it was a threat when they entered his prperty and he shot them on HIS lawn. His lawn meaning incase you don;t understand his property.
xler8bmw on December 6, 2007 at 10:04 PM
I would rather explain two dead guys in the yard to my kids than go to the funeral of someone I love.
ConstantSorrow on December 6, 2007 at 10:05 PM
Or for that matter, attend the funeral of my own two kids.
pullingmyhairout on December 6, 2007 at 10:07 PM
Zach under the law it was a threat when they entered his prperty and he shot them on HIS lawn. His lawn meaning incase you don;t understand his property.
xler8bmw on December 6, 2007 at 10:04 PM
DING DING DING!!!
See [(3)] (B) above.
FishFearMe on December 6, 2007 at 10:08 PM
Better to be forgiven than ask permission!
xler8bmw on December 6, 2007 at 10:13 PM
Right! There may be some things that are screwed up in our state. (like mayor white) but we can deal with scum still. And with the MS13 problems here, we need that kind of law.
conservnut on December 6, 2007 at 10:14 PM
conservnut on December 6, 2007 at 10:14 PM
I am a Native Texan, relocated (misplaced?…lol) for the love of 3 girls. One is my wife and the other two are 5 yrs old and 10 months old. I am now in New England (nuff said), but let some ass-wipe break into my house and it’s A.M.F. (see 9:37PM post for definition of A.M.F.
Joe Horn makes me proud to call Texas “home”.
FishFearMe on December 6, 2007 at 10:20 PM
We miss you buddy, convert those gals and come home!
conservnut on December 6, 2007 at 10:45 PM
conservnut on December 6, 2007 at 10:45 PM
Thanks, Amigo!!! I’ll be there as soon as FishFearMeFearsMe(that’s the missus) gets her degree.
FishFearMe on December 6, 2007 at 10:54 PM
Bravo. By defending another person’s rights and property you defend your own, and there’s no better way to teach the kids strength and self-reliance than by living it. But you knew all that.
ReubenJCogburn on December 7, 2007 at 1:03 AM
To my knowledge, Oregon does not have a Castle doctrine (more’s the pity). That, however, does not stop me from sleeping with a loaded pistol within arm’s reach and with a primed burglar detection system (two VERY protective whippets. I pity the testicles of any invader).
I first heard about this case from an LA talk show that was pretty down on Mr. Horn. After reading more about the case, I only hope that my neighbors are as conscientious. My only hope is that if I witnessed such an act that I would have the courage to stand off the burglars in such a bold manner. I mean let’s face it, for all he knew these two could have been armed and intent on protecting their ill-gotten goods with deadly force. I see no wrongdoing in protecting yourself from obvious miscreants with deadly force, especially when they make a move towards you that could easily be interpreted as hostile. Call me crazy.
Militant Bibliophile on December 7, 2007 at 2:57 AM
All of a sudden deporting these criminals looks like it would have been the compasionate thing to do no? LOL Tanc/Hunter 08′ Joe Horn….. The real “Homeland Security” Chief!!
Joey1974 on December 7, 2007 at 6:02 AM
‘Capital offense’ and ‘authorized use of deadly force’ have no legal relationship. Executions for capital offenses have the benefit of time instead of urgency…deliberation instead of a reaction to a threat.
James on December 7, 2007 at 7:43 AM
It’s hard to have pity for illegal immigrant thieves
but listening to that audio did the trick. Joe Horn is a sick man.crr6 on December 6, 2007 at 5:31 PM
Then don’t.
Ernest on December 7, 2007 at 9:28 AM
That made me stand up and cheer. I’m a well-armed Mommy too. And my kids (13 and 9) know how to shoot, too. If burglars trespass on our property, they will likely die for their mistake. I’d have no qualms about it and would not lose one night of sleep worrying about dead criminals. I feel all warm and cozy just thinking about it.
Redhead Infidel on December 7, 2007 at 11:42 AM
Spoken like a true Texan…..folks, I believe we have a winner.
My husband and I live in a very safe community south of Houston, on the coast. My girlfriends always laugh at me for locking up tight (they don’t lock up at all), especially when the hubby is traveling. But my fear stems from the huge number of illegal aliens moving thru my neighborhood on any given day, yard guys (no, I do not use illegal help), contractors, etc. All I’ve got to say is if I see some guy exiting my neighbor’s window with santa sack filled to the brim, I would not hesitate to take him down. There are toooo many stories here in the Houston and surrounding areas of innocent homeowners being attacked, robbed, raped and murdered by just such unsavory characters. Perhaps if the criminals had to ponder if a big ass shotgun is on the other side of the door they might think twice.
silenced majority on December 7, 2007 at 1:56 PM
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