RushBaby on December 6, 2007 at 11:54 PM

Be specific. What have I said that rubbed you sooo raw RushBaby?

I know that I’ve made some annoying, snarky, even incorrect statements. But I’m curious which ones in particular got stuck in your craw.

Maybe we dislike the same ones. That would be awesome. You rock!

If an atheist was running against him, would Romney make nothing of the fact?

Isn’t it severely hypocritical for Hitch to be talking about that?

Not only has the man made a serious issue out of Mitt’s specific brand of religion, he’s made a living off of making an issue out of everyone else’s religion as well.

Freedom of conscience is basically freedom of thought…
FloatingRock on December 6, 2007 at 9:46 PM

Is that what the speech was about?

Romney says that he changed his mind as governor. Mitt, which one (or more) of your children would you have been in favor of aborting if your wife was so inclined?
Captain America on December 6, 2007 at 11:43 PM

That is a disgusting comment and I dare say it says more about your character than anything about Mitt Romney.

I have to say that the fundy “Christians” who say things like this do nothing positive in the way of “evangelizing”. Indeed, were I not already a Christian, it would have the exact opposite effect.

TheSitRep on December 7, 2007 at 12:23 AM

I’m thinking about a New Year’s Resolution:

If you’re aiming outside the circle, come stand by me.

RushBaby on December 6, 2007 at 11:54 PM

Good for you sticking up for a fellow HA member.

ribbing someones position, candidate, or ism is one thing, but
personal attacks are boorish.

Your stylized prose is ridiculous. Why even place the commas if you’re going to malappropriate them? It’s hardly cute and really rather ridiculous.

The Race Card on December 6, 2007 at 10:26 PM

Jerkimer: Canopfor’s comments are much more stylish than much you’ve had to say around here.

Buzz off.

Do I blame Romney? No, what candidate wouldn’t want to be given such an opportunity.

Did Romney say anything that a Thompson or Huck wouldn’t say? Absolutely not. He only mentioned Mormon once throughout the entire speech.

What a politician says versus what a politician actually does has always been an important measuring stick for me. It remains inconceivable that someone with 5+ grown children would have been in favor of a woman’s right to choose as recently as within the past 5 years.

Romney says that he changed his mind as governor. Mitt, which one (or more) of your children would you have been in favor of aborting if your wife was so inclined?

Helen Thomas smells like cat pee.

ReubenJCogburn on December 6, 2007 at 8:48 PM

Eeeeew.

The political advisers tell me no, no, no – it’s not a good idea. It draws too much attention to that issue alone.”

I interpreted it as “I would, but my advsiors said no”

Hollowpoint on December 6, 2007 at 8:48 PM

I think I agree with his advisers, and the fact that he did it anyway is both impressive (take a stand on principle) and scary (this stuff matters too much to him).

Hmmm.

I hold no beliefs but do have theories. I started my turn toward atheism at 11 years old and did call my self an atheist when I was trying to prove to myself that there was no god.

TheSitRep on December 6, 2007 at 8:29 PM

Interesting comments. Personally, I call myself an atheist because it’s psychologically important for my to make firm break from my previous professions of faith. The knowledge that there is no god was eating at me for a long time before I had the courage to face it and say it out loud. Sorry if that makes me a bit “in your face”, but there is a little of the “wow it’s nice to let loose on this” in me. Do I need to proselytize? No, but I do like to argue.

Resolute on December 6, 2007 at 8:26 PM

I agree with you – I wasn’t clear enough. Jury is still out on whether I’ll support him. I don’t really have any problem with his religion, aside from my personal distaste for goofy beliefs in general, but more importantly it’s potential impact on his electibility.

canopfor on December 6, 2007 at 9:27 PM

Your stylized prose is ridiculous. Why even place the commas if you’re going to malappropriate them? It’s hardly cute and really rather ridiculous.

I propose a Malkin 3 point plan for Atheists and Agnostics: Suck It Up! Stop you whining and complaining at the drop of a hat or people are going to start thinking you’re nothing more than another overly sensitive special interest group out only to advance your own cause.

TheBigOldDog on December 6, 2007 at 8:08 PM

Unfortunately people of faith are in no way immune to the exact same whining and complaining at the drop of a hat bias of a special interest group and usually with a touch more emotional content thrown in for kicks.

Atheism isn’t a set of beliefs of any sort; it’s the absence of them. And if I’m wrong, then I guess my dog and I just started a new religion. (I think I’m going to have to have a little talk with that tree outside, maybe she’ll be my first disciple.)

FloatingRock on December 6, 2007 at 8:34 PM

There are plenty of beliefs associated with Atheism, its just that belief in theism isn’t one of them.

Buy Danish on December 6,2007 at 8:59PM.

Buy Danish:I’m going to try,and take a stab at it,
If you don’t have “Freedom of conscience”,
then you’ll have “The Dream Police” kicking
your door down,by Cheap Trick!haha

Why o why,are the Lib’s, and the media, so fired up
about Romney’s Mormonism,if Mitt’s elected President,
what in the world do they think’s gonna happen,do
Liberal’s think that on a sunday,everybody in church
are going to look towards Utah,I’ve spent two weeks
in Utah,there regular American’s,I’d rather see
America,with a Religion based President,then a
godless Lberal Democrat.Period.

He decided he had to give the speech for political reasons.

He had to to talk about it because all the CONSERVATIVE blogs are talking about it. Not the idiot liberals, they are afraid to go there, they try to make something of people working for people who work for Romney being illegal aliens. It’s the conservatives who keep talking about whether his being a mormon is an issue which is making it an issue. Conservatives are doing the job for the liberals. Conservative blogs are going to nitpick all the republican candidates out of the race and make it clear sailing for hillary and the fascists. I’m glad I don’t make my living on the radio or the internet because the fascists will shut both down tight in two years.

And the on another hand You have Rudy who is a catholic abortion lover

And then on even another hand Ron Paul and he is a freak.

Why do you keep using the phrase “freedom of conscience”? That phrase is not in Mitt’s speech, and the title of his speech was “Faith in America”.

Come to think of it, I’m not even entirely sure what “freedom of conscience” means.

They’ve forgotten that America is made strong by American values, which are not and should not be classified as conservative or liberal values.

Nor should religion be considered a prerequisite for American values.

I think that he is better than America’s baptist Huckabee, who thinks he is the candidate sent by God.

Elsewhere tonight, James Dobson has gone ahead and done what all “private citizens” do after watching a big speech: He’s issued a press release.

Well, of course–all “private citizens” keep in constant touch with the news media at all times. (We also send out “private” emails to thousands of people at a time.) It’s all part of being an average joe. I just got back from my post-Romney-speech press conference, myself. Helen Thomas smells like cat pee.

How early was that? Was it this week?

Weight of Glory on December 6, 2007 at 7:58 PM

A month ago. The actual quote was:

“I’m happy to answer any questions people have about my faith and do so pretty regularly,” the former Massachusetts governor said. “Is there going to be a special speech? Perhaps, at some point. I sort of like the idea myself. The political advisers tell me no, no, no – it’s not a good idea. It draws too much attention to that issue alone.”

I interpreted it as “I would, but my advsiors said no”