you all went way overboard attacking Hugh on this.

Mitt DID have an objectively good night and most everyone attacking Hugh is agreeing with it and just being outraged that he said its undeniable.

y’all need ta chilax on this one

Fred state America.

They will not vote for another liberal Republican who will not get immigration right…PERIOD!

sabbott on December 8, 2007 at 9:12 AM

I guess that explains Huck’s surge.

Ahhh… there’s few things I enjoy more than wathcing a Rudy troll and Romney troll trolling each other. More, faster please.

Hollowpoint on December 7, 2007 at 7:41 PM

Considering Fred is getting steamrolled by Manic Minister, who DOES have the animosity towards atheists tommylotto so loathes, you’re hardly in a position to talk.

Thank you for proving my point about how Mitt’s speech was designed to divide and foment hatred.

tommylotto on December 7, 2007 at 7:43 PM

You see what you want to see tommylotto. You came into Mitt’s speech with preconcieved notions, and you got what you wanted out of it.

Shall I throw a pity party for you tommylotto? Are you offended? Heaven forfend we forget about the atheists when giving a speech about faith in America. They’re upset no one mentioned their reactionary, hateful, condescending nature to people of all faiths. Only the atheist cannot live and let live with persons of faith around them, they always have to bring everyone down because even they admit their belief is empty.

Quite frankly Romney acted with his usual class and charm. Atheists (or at least media thugs and leftists) decided not to give the same benefit of the doubt.

What a surprise, the people who believe only in doubt not giving the benefit of it to anyone else.

Hollowpoint on December 7, 2007 at 7:41 PM

Well Fred’s dead. Time to take down the Mormon…

I see. So, you can’t read or listen then….
Only the atheists are making a big stink out of this… as the opportunistic bastards usually do….
Atheists prove time and time again the only higher power they care about is numero uno. This is why the majority of the country loathes them…
… the people who SPIT ON EVERYONE ELSE’S faith as STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE…
Go back to supporting your baby-killing marriage hating lapsed Catholic…

BKennedy on December 7, 2007 at 7:13 PM

Thank you for proving my point about how Mitt’s speech was designed to divide and foment hatred.

tommylotto on December 7, 2007 at 4:52 PM
BKennedy on December 7, 2007 at 7:13 PM

Ahhh… there’s few things I enjoy more than wathcing a Rudy troll and Romney troll trolling each other. More, faster please.

By “us” both you and Mitt mean (and only mean) those who adhere to a faith that accepts Jesus Christ as the son of God. And you and he seek to divide “us” from “them.” And by “them” he means: Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Shintoists, Buddhists, Secularists, Atheists, Agnostics, etc. He seeks to divide this nation and enhance his campaign by fostering intolerance. He just wants the bigots to be on his side.

tommylotto on December 7, 2007 at 4:52 PM

I see. So, you can’t read or listen then. Considering the point of Romney’s entire speech is that religion shouldn’t divide us. Only the atheists are making a big stink out of this (he exluded us! WE’RE VICTIMS!) and taking it out of context, as the opportunistic bastards usually do.

Atheists prove time and time again the only higher power they care about is numero uno. This is why the majority of the country loathes them. They turn a speech about religious tolerance and religious liberty into a pity party for the people who SPIT ON EVERYONE ELSE’S faith as STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE.

Woe is you tommylotto, you’re offended! Go back to supporting your baby-killing marriage hating lapsed Catholic which you hold in such high regard because he failed to keep the precepts of his faith.

Our children will remember Mitt Romney’s “Religion” speech in the same breath as Lincoln’s “The Gettysburg Address” speech I feel. Textbooks will cite its delivery as a landmark day.
IntheNet on December 7, 2007 at 1:00 PM

Hugh, is that you?

Ridiculous- it was a good speech, but not that spectacular; it was a well delivered speech of platitudes that’ll be forgotten before Christmas.

Our children will remember Mitt Romney’s “Religion” speech in the same breath as Lincoln’s “The Gettysburg Address” speech I feel. Textbooks will cite its delivery as a landmark day. It truly marks a sea change in Romney’s candidacy and I switched my support to his behalf.

Dus thay teech inglish in scool no mor?

Romney is a Mormon? Really? Who knew?

mikeyslaw on December 7, 2007 at 3:31 PM

I know, it surprised me too–you never hear about it. I also heard a rumor that John Kerry might have served in Vietnam.

No tommylotto, it was a speech designed to remind America what unites us ….
BKennedy on December 7, 2007 at 4:09 PM

By “us” both you and Mitt mean (and only mean) those who adhere to a faith that accepts Jesus Christ as the son of God. And you and he seek to divide “us” from “them.” And by “them” he means: Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Shintoists, Buddhists, Secularists, Atheists, Agnostics, etc. He seeks to divide this nation and enhance his campaign by fostering intolerance. He just wants the bigots to be on his side.

Voters here don’t want a radical or a crook and they don’t want to lose their homes. I haven’t met anyone who even heard about the speech

I do not see Mormons attempting to dismantle my nation

I am more threatened by radical anti-theists who are erasing religious expression in direct contradiction to the intent of our Constitution. They are doing this by erasing parts of our Constitution. It has degraded quality of life and coarsened public behaviours to our detriment

I am absolutely threatened by islamic fundamentalism, which intends to replace my Consitution completely

Who doesn’t like Donny and Marie Osmond?

Hewitt has to slow down and let some air out of his tires

Yet if Romney was playing it safe by avoiding theology, he was treading on dangerous ground when he appealed to the American tradition of religious tolerance to make his case. Instead of trying to persuade the evangelicals that he was basically on their side, he did the worst thing he could do: he put them on the defensive. In his speech Romney came perilously close to suggesting: If you don’t support me, you are violating the cherished principle of religious tolerance. But such a claim is simply untenable and, worse, highly offensive.

http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=120707A

bnelson44 on December 7, 2007 at 4:26 PM

I take it then that these people, like the rest of the media, have a hearing and reading problem.

What Mitt did was say “take it or leave it. I’m not backing down from my faith.”

If people are really going ballistic over “Religious tolerance would be a shallow principle indeed if it were only reserved for faiths we agree with” then that is their prerogative to be whiny, thin skinned fools with no concept of what makes America great.

The American media is deplorable, now more than ever. They have no virtue and no soul.

http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=120707A

His pomposity irks me so!

It was a good political speech for a crafty politician, because it seemed benign, but it was nevertheless designed to divide and rip this nation apart and advance his interests at the nation’s expense. Mitt’s purpose was to pander to the evangelicals and divert attention away from the fringe cult he is a member of by whipping up hatred against a common enemy — the evil secularists. “Don’t worry about my undergarments and Joseph Smith’s seer stones, worry about those damn godless secularists trying to drive God out of the public square.” It was not a speech of tolerance. It was a speech of hate. It was not a speech of unity, but division.

tommylotto on December 7, 2007 at 3:29 PM

No tommylotto, it was a speech designed to remind America what unites us that was turned around by media thugs and hacks who ignored all valuable content and saw it only as just one more chance to play identity politics, this time with atheists as the agreived, insulted, and offended minority. When you’ve got a Fifth Column that evil and corrupt, all of us should be on guard. Don’t fall for their idiotic ploy.

DCJeff on December 7, 2007 at 3:20 PM

Say exactly what you mean, or stop trying to start a whispering campaign, troll.

WasatchMan on December 7, 2007 at 3:46 PM

He made a similar comment and got exactly the same response on a different thread.

DCJeff on December 7, 2007 at 3:20 PM

Say exactly what you mean, or stop trying to start a whispering campaign, troll.