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But they won!

it’s all rum, sodomy and the lash”

Em…in that order?

Rather puts a dark complexion on Master and Commander.

2. Putin would make sense.

3. No.

(Still, there’s always Scotland & Wales.)

(I say this with regret as an Anglophile who did both my postgraduate degrees in England.)

According to another Telegraph article, the RN now is able to field:

25 destroyers/frigates
9 submarines
16 mine warfare ships
5 offshore patrol vessels
6 tankers
3 logistics landing ships
2 assault ships
3 aircraft carriers
4 auxiliary helicopter support ships

A total of 73 ships – in the whole blinkin’ Royal Navy.

For comparison, a U. S. Navy carrier group consists of:

1 Nimitz-class nuclear supercarrier
1 Ticonderoga-class guided missile cruiser
2-3 guided missile destroyers or frigates
1 Supply-class combat logistics ship (combined tanker, ammunition and stores supply)
1-2 Los Angeles-class nuclear attack submarines

Five to seven combatant ships, plus a supply ship. And we have up to nine of these formations at sea at any given time. Add in six or seven amphibious assault groups*…

* – 1 Tarawa-class amphibious assault ship, 1 San Antonio-class landing ship (dock), three destroyers/frigates and a supply ship.

Britain decided in the 60s, like all of Europe, to spend their money on their damn entitlement programs

In reality it was 1945 when Attlee came in and squandered Britain’s Marshall Aid to build the welfare state.

It’s all for the best since the Muslims are assuming control of Britain. Do we want them to have a world class navy?

No it isn’t all for the best you disgusting human being. If the British people succumb to slavery the cost in universal liberty could be enough to sink Western civillisation for all time. You’re about as American as French cheese.

they are a Hindu state.

No they aren’t. Any Indian politician who tries to run India as a Hindu state will meet with a bullet faster than csdeven on a Fred! thread (i.e. 1…2…3..4..5..) At least that’s what has happened in the past.

One of the positive notes in the report concerns the future carrier programme, which, it states, will enhance the ability of the Navy to contribute to joint operations. The report says: “The introduction of CVF [carrier vessel future], coupled with the Joint Combat Aircraft, will mark a significant step forward for defence and will provide the UK with considerable global political military leverage.

Our anti-submarine warfare capability is below a prudent minimum level of both quality and quantity

Well there is a disaster waiting to happen.

1. Work expands to absorb all time available.

2. Bureaucracies expand to absorb all funding available.

3. Bureaucrats seek to multiply subordinates, not competitors.

As an example of the rot inherent in bureaucracies, Parkinson (a former Major in the Royal Army) pointed out that at the end of World War Two, the Royal Navy had 1200+ warships of all sizes (ranging from patrol boats to fleet aircraft carriers and battleships), over a half-million men under arms (he included Fleet Air Arm and Royal Marines, plus auxiliaries), all commanded by a total of 167 officers of flag rank (defined as Commodore and above- Commodore being a wartime rank equivalent to the United States Navy rank of Rear Admiral, Lower Half).

He then stated that in the (then) 13 years since VJ Day, the Royal Navy had shrunk to 131 ships (most destroyer-sized or smaller) and 21,000 or so men, but was commanded by 291 flag officers.

Projecting that into the future, he estimated that by the end of the 20th Century, the Royal Navy would have one ship, crewed by two ratings and a CPO, commanded by 1,300 or so officers of Admiral or equivalent rank.

Does anyone know how many flag officers the Royal Navy has at this time?

cheers

eon

We need to repeal the limiting legislation and get serious about arming Taiwan with the latest technology. Likewise, we should do more to encourage changes to and arming of Japan. I also agree with above poster that mentions India. We really need to cultivate something there, and one way to do that is to have them buy F-18s and F-35s instead of MiGs and Su-35s.

Nessuno on December 6, 2007 at 4:48 PM

Israel, Australia, Japan, and Taiwan are the ones we should be working with. Australia and Israel have been there, done that, and have the t-shirts. Taiwan and Japan need to be brought up to speed rapidly.

It pains me not to include New Zealand in that list because of the rich history of the ANZACs. The Kiwi Navy has around four ships.

I would like to go further by proposing that the U.S. abandon the One China policy and replace it with a One China and One Taiwan policy.

Honestly, I haven’t kept up with India’s military. I know their flattops are old Royal Navy carriers. I think their destroyers and cruisers are built with Soviet technology. Their Air Force is all Soviet equipment. Army, I don’t have a clue.

I adore British Naval history, so this rather upsets me. Hot Air: Good news: The Royal Navy is crap…

their own populace doesn’t care about the Royal Navy’s history since I doubt learning about the Royal Navy’s history is even allowed any more since its not politically correct for Europeans to be ‘good’ without kowtowing to third world.

Defector01 on December 6, 2007 at 4:31 PM

According to my English friends that’s sadly true,they’re taught that the Empire was the worst thing in their history,if they learn about it at all.

The Russian ships are expected to visit 11 ports in 16 countries.

Now that’s a heck of an achievement for the Russian navy, I can only guess that they’ve perfected some sort of Philadelphia Experiment to be able to shift time to visit the same port in multiple countries.

Japan, South Korea, and Isreal.

The United States should remove our troups from western Europe.

It obvious who does the laundry and takes out the trash on this rock.

FINE! WE’LL DO IT… go back to watching the tele.