Is Iran’s missing general the source for the new NIE intel?
posted at 5:21 pm on December 5, 2007 by Allahpundit
A tantalizing possibility, floated first this morning by the Guardian and then repeated in a segment Shep Smith did on Studio B this afternoon. Remember him? He was my main beat for a few weeks in March. He went missing in Turkey in February, was soon thereafter reported to be in U.S. custody, whereupon debate raged for a good month about whether he’d come to us willingly or had been snatched. The last we heard of him was a cryptic report from the JPost in July about him allegedly sharing — ta da — information on Iran’s nuclear program. Except according to the Post, he was claiming not that Iran had shut its weapons program down but that it was further along with enrichment than we had thought. I wondered at the time whether that was credible or not. Based on the initial stories about Asgari’s defection in March, I guessed — and am still guessing — not:
[S]kepticism is warranted here. According to the WaPo piece on March 8, “Iranian officials said he was not involved in the country’s nuclear program, and the senior U.S. official said Asgari is not being questioned about it.” The Times of London followed with its own report three days later that claimed Asgari had plenty of info about Hezbollah and Iranian links to terrorism, but “[i]t is not thought that he had details of the country’s nuclear programme.” He’d also allegedly been out of the loop of Iranian intel since 2003, when he was forced to resign for exposing corruption. So it seems a bit, shall we say, convenient that now we’re told not only did he know about the nuclear program, but he has bombshell news about how shockingly technologically advanced it is.
It could be that Asgari was still in the loop in 2003 enough to know that the weapons program had been shut down and that U.S. intelligence then went about trying to find out if they program had been restarted since. Per Monday’s WaPo story, [i]In one intercept, a senior Iranian military official was specifically overheard complaining that the nuclear program had been shuttered years earlier, according to a source familiar with the intelligence.” If that intercept was recent, they may have taken it as corroboration of any information Asgari might have given them. In fact, it does sound like the new intel was very recent — in which case, Asgari, who’s been in U.S. hands since February, almost certainly doesn’t have any relevant information.
About the nuke program, that is. Operational matters of the Revolutionary Guard are another matter. Again, there’s no way to know how much he knew and how stale it is but I wonder if he didn’t contribute to U.S. intel on Iran’s cross-border operations in Iraq, as expertly sketched by Bill Roggio in a piece that scoops every mainstream media outlet I’ve read on the subject. Not only does he name the Iranian unit overseeing operations in the country — the Ramazan Corps, comprised of the Nasr, Zafar, and Fajr commands, each with their own front — but he’s traced the ratlines of men and materiel on the map so you can see how the Shiite militias are resupplied. Here’s the money passage. Is it really true that Iran has decided, for the moment, to play nice in Iraq?
[T]hree US commanders directly in the fight against the Special Groups in three of the most active theaters for the Ramazan Corps — Baghdad, central provinces, and along the Iranian border — disagree.
Colonel Don Farris, the commander of the 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 82nd Airborne Division based in the heart of Sadr City in Baghdad, stated the Special Groups still pose a major threat. “While the violence is down, I remain very concerned in our sector about these special groups,” Farris said. “They’re very lethal, they’re organized, they’re sophisticated and I have not seen that their operations have declined or diminished in any way, shape or form here in the last several months. We have not seen any slowing down or any indicators that these special groups are going to curtail their activities or quit receiving this support that’s coming from outside the country.”
Major General Rick Lynch, the Commander of Multinational Division Central, whose area of operations includes Wasit, Karbala, Babil, and southern Baghdad provinces, is not certain Iran has reduced the flow of aid to the Shia terror groups. “I don’t know what this Iranian pledge is, but the number of munitions has increased,” Lynch said on November 11. “It could be that we are finding them more. But it is still troublesome. I have no idea when these EFP munitions came … before or after the pledge. I don’t know.”
On November 22, Lynch stated his forces are still finding Iranian munitions “that are traceable back to Iran,” and the Special Groups are still active. “They’re still operating in our battlespace,” he said. “But I can’t say whether or not this is an increased problem or a flatline problem or a decreasing problem.”
Bill Ardolino (who contributes to Roggio’s site) told me this morning that if Roggio’s piece ran in a major newspaper it would be considered a “blockbuster.” Quite so. Read it.










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I just have this sneaky little feeling that this is ALL a con job by the Iranians to dupe our amateur-hour intelligence community into believing Iran has stopped its nuke program…
when it fact it is and always has been full speed ahead.
What, you think its so difficult to deceive our State Department and the CIA on muslim intel when they dont even have enough translators even today?
Always Right on December 5, 2007 at 5:32 PM
What’s a “main beat?” It sounds kinda dirty.
TallDave on December 5, 2007 at 5:47 PM
As others have already theorized, it could also be a con-job by our so-called intelligence agencies who are playing CYA after the previous intelligence failures regarding Iraq’s WMD programs, with them wanting to err on the “don’t go to war” side.
I think it’s probably a combination of both your theory and this one.
thirteen28 on December 5, 2007 at 5:48 PM
Oh, BTW, AJ Strata says Newsmax says it’s a single unvetted source, FWIW.
TallDave on December 5, 2007 at 5:51 PM
I’m with you. Somethings afoot.
I can’t shake this feeling that this is some kind of royal con job. One for the ages if it’s completely off the mark. I don’t know why, exactly, but maybe it has to do with the huge overnight 180. I don’t want war, or violence, I want peace, but it’s just unbelievable that our government is all of a sudden going to shelve this threat, especially given all the info we’ve been getting the last few years.
I suppose time will tell.
SilverStar830 on December 5, 2007 at 5:51 PM
What does it accomplish (in our favor) to ‘play’ this information…..nothing. It gives Dinnerjacket exactly what he claimed…victory. Russia has already jumped on it as reason to re-examine ALL justification for sanctions. There is nothing to gain by giving the enemy the top of the hill.
Political posturing. Period. I would not doubt, for a moment, that some certain skirt, and her thrall, are behind it.
And NOBODY has explained to me, yet, how did an NIE end up in PDF format on Limerick’s monitor? It wasn’t put there to show me how smart someone was.
Limerick on December 5, 2007 at 5:53 PM
I’ll join in with the others here.
I put as much faith in defecting Iranian generals as I do in the liberal cronies who have infected our State Department and Intelligence Services.
Ahmadinejad isn’t going to wipe out Israel with spitballs.
I call bullcrap.
fogw on December 5, 2007 at 5:55 PM
Here’s the AJ Strata link, if anyone wants it.
Again, it’s Newsmax (rolls eyes), hence the FWIW.
TallDave on December 5, 2007 at 5:56 PM
Again… A program shut down, or completed? If you can make a bomb what’s the use of a bomb program?
I don’t remember hearing much about a Syrian nuke program. Suddenly they are making them, thanks to No Korea.
So why should any of this be cause for relaxation?
Agrippa2k on December 5, 2007 at 5:59 PM
Con job…
Those who are anti Bush and wrote the NIE were fed information that they wanted to hear.
Perfect storm of Intelligence manipulation.
Those who wrote this will be able to point to a couple of sources for their belief… whether those sources are valid or not…
FACT: Iran continues with 3000 centrifuges.
FACT: Iran HAD a laptop with plans for an atomic weapon.
FACT: You can’t make a nuke without refined fuel.
They have the plans… they are now making the fuel… of course they “suspended” the making of a nuclear weapon in 2003… they didn’t have the stinkin fuel yet!
Remember, once we had the fuel in the 40′s, it only took us MONTHS to create the first atomic bomb. Key is the critical mass… the rest is just engineering.
Romeo13 on December 5, 2007 at 6:01 PM
Seems like semantics to me. The report may as well read “Iran abandons bomb research”. So what? They have moved on to manufacturing.
On the day Iran says “we are going to bomb Israel tomorrow”, are we supposed to say “well at least they stopped research”.
Agrippa2k on December 5, 2007 at 6:02 PM
Finally somebody gets it!! That’s right months! Weeks if they have bomb specifications. Days if they have a weapon just waiting for a core.
Agrippa2k on December 5, 2007 at 6:09 PM
General Groves looks down from heaven….and spits.
Limerick on December 5, 2007 at 6:17 PM
Real key to me, as I’ve said before, is that they do NOT have to make this a missle delivered system.
With their penchant for suicide, they could easily build a HUGE A-bomb… like fatboy… into an aircraft, then fly it to the target.
Crap, they could build it into a 747 if they had too…
Or build it into a merchant ship, and sit it off of Haifa Israel…
The idea that AFTER they have the critical mass needed it would take YEARS??? 10 or more??? BS.
Romeo13 on December 5, 2007 at 6:19 PM
Amen brother! Why are we so focused on this “our world” weapon, when the enemy consistently engages in “asymmetrical” warfare?
Was No Korea’s fissiled nuke a failure? Says who? Small yield – perfect for a small delivery system. Good enough to sell, unless you are unimpressed with anything less than a megaton bomb.
What is the yield of Pakistan’s nukes? They seem pretty proud of them.
Agrippa2k on December 5, 2007 at 6:36 PM
It seems to me that reaction to this NIE report will tell you a lot about our presidential candidates.
I have decided – the ONE candidate that proposes that 1) NIE report is suspicious, and 2) that it doesn’t change a thing…
Will get my vote.
Agrippa2k on December 5, 2007 at 6:38 PM
You got that right! All estimates that even a poor nation is 5-10 years from getting nukes is disinformation designed to placate our fears.
Agrippa2k on December 5, 2007 at 6:42 PM
Here is some new info. found out by the Weekly Standard. One of the authors of this most recent NIE, Thomas Fingar, testified to the following before the House Armed Services Committee:
Doesn’t have the same “color” as the NIE, does it? He said this July, 11 this year, a little less than five months ago! So what happened between then and now to make him go from “Tehran is determined to develop nuclear weapons.” to, they gave it up in 2003? I have a guess but it is just a guess. Wasn’t Israel begging us to do something as early as July. And didn’t we stall in doing that “something.” And didn’t Israel do that “something” in September?
Weight of Glory on December 5, 2007 at 7:16 PM
Doesn’t anyone view it as slightly suspicious that intelligence organizations which struck out on 9-11 (some of the planning occurring within the very shadows of CIA and NSA HQs) and further struck out (we assume) on Iraq’s WMD capabilities and with a known agenda (witness Velerie Plame and Joseph Wilson) against President Bush should suddenly get it right on Iran’s (one of the most secretive nations on earth) nuclear designs?
MaiDee on December 5, 2007 at 7:17 PM
There’s a big point that’s being missed here, too.
Iran was, unambiguously, pursuing nuclear weapons at one time.
So if they did it once, isn’t it reasonable to think they might do it again?
Additionally, why does one of the world’s largest oil exporters need nuclear energy? If they are so aboveboard, why were there traces of HEU in Iran? You don’t need HEU for a reactor; only bombs require high enrichment.
Herb Meyer (ex- Reagan administration) was on a local show this afternoon; I understand Rush spoke about an article of his today too. He said that the intelligence services as they are today are a far cry from the OSS in WWII, which was populated with bright industry leaders from finance, technology, etc. To his knowledge there isn’t one high ranking official in our intelligence community that isn’t a career government employee. No outside academics, experts. He said the community now is more like committees and sub-committees with facilitators. He truly does believe that there is a political taint to intelligence and says some of the same things astute Hot Air readers point out – with so many missteps, why trust this, especially when other intelligence reports state there is ‘moderate assurance’ that they haven’t restarted? Sounds like a 50-50 guess to me, and that’s not good enough where Iran and nuclear weapons are concerned.
linlithgow on December 5, 2007 at 9:10 PM