I do believe Whoopi’s comment; “Keep in mind that probably when [Epicurus] was around, there was no Jesus Christ stuff going on.” is the most ignorant statement I’ve ever heard on television.

How ’bout “The IQ of the litter stuck between my cat’s toes”?

Frozen Tex on December 4, 2007 at 5:40 PM

I don’t know, my cat is sitting here giving me a dirty look after I asked her which one was smarter, the bimbos on the view or the litter stuck in her toes…I’m getting the distinct feeling she is suggesting that the litter is smarter…

doriangrey on December 4, 2007 at 5:44 PM

I dunno they’re both full of crap.

So, since Biblical Salvation has always been, and always will be, about Jesus Christ, as stated above in a post, yes, technically speaking there really WERE “Christians” before Jesus Christ walked the face of this earth, and yes, we commonly refer to those of them who lived under the Covenant of the Law of Moses, as Jews of the Old Testament.

And as for those here who feel the need to call this woman a fool or an idiot, God’s word has something to say to you too…

Matthew 5:21-22, “You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, ‘Raca,[c]‘ is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell…”

(My other, for the record: “When I was a boy, I used to pray for a new bicycle. Then I realized that’s now how it’s supposed to work. So I stole one…then prayed for forgiveness.”

She’s an idiot.

No, Christians did not exist before Christ. The word christian actually means Christ like. Christ’s followers were not called christians until after He died. In fact they were first called Christians at Antioch. (Acts 11:26). Please don’t confuse Jews with Christians. We have a different set of laws we live under.
boomer on December 4, 2007 at 10:13 PM

Those that worship the Christ and do what He says are Christians in any time. I believe that Jesus was the God of the Old Testament, that He instructed Adam, Abel, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Aaron, et al, to perform sacrifices in similitude of his future sacrifice on the cross. All of which pre-date that tribe of Judah. The High Priest of the first temple was anointed in similitude of the Christ on the Day of Atonement.

Therefore, all the Old Testament prophets and the Israelites were Christians because they worshipped God/Jesus, followed the commandments He gave, and looked to the day of His Atonment. True, they didn’t use the word Christian as that is Greek. But if I were asked, I’d say David, Samuel, Daniel, Isaiah, Elijah, et al, were Christian.

The Jews, as a religion, rejected Jesus as the Christ which led to his crucifixion. So to that point Jews aren’t Christian because they reject Jesus and the New Testament. But as they still worship the God of the Old Testament, who is Jesus, they actually are still Christians, just out of date.

Make sense? Probably just offended all the Jews on the board. But then again, this is Hot Air, someone’s religion has to be getting offended.

Thanks for keeping me out of the stupid room, folks. I appreciate it.

Isn’t Whoopie Jewish?

Tuning Spork on December 4, 2007 at 8:27 PM

Nope. It’s a stage name.

well.. I guess if she’s right there were Jews before God.

amend2 on December 4, 2007 at 5:03 PM

Dying. Absolutely DYING here. Damn, that was funny.

That’s like asking, were there US politicians before the Declaration of Independance….

“Your cat’s probably right” – Tex

Where’s Cypher’s collie when ya need him?

Tony737 on December 4, 2007 at 5:49 PM

My cockatoo says: “They’re dumb as a box of hair.”

Of course there were Christians before Christ was born. That was the whole point of the Old Testament sacrifices from Adam onwards.

Sebastian on December 4, 2007 at 5:14 PM

Well now, isn’t this classic (the view girls).

No, Christians did not exist before Christ. The word christian actually means Christ like. Christ’s followers were not called christians until after He died. In fact they were first called Christians at Antioch. (Acts 11:26). Please don’t confuse Jews with Christians. We have a different set of laws we live under. Christians do not believe in keeping the law of the Old Testement as they believe Christ’s death upon the cross fullfilled that law and then ushered in the New Testement law. Depending on the sect some Jews still try to keep some of the old law.

They’re talking here about Epicurus, who lived around 300 BC. Credit Sherri at least with a canny attempt at a save near the end, segueing effortlessly from when Christianity began to when Jesus himself “began” — a much finer theological point.

Sorry, no credit. It’s pretty clear that she didn’t know what she was talking about when she said “they threw Christians to the lions” which certainly wasn’t happening in Epicurus’ time. Her “save” was presumably based on John 1:1,14 (”In the beginning was the word … and the word was made flesh and dwelt for awhile among us.”) but that is completely irrelevant to her other comments.

baldilocks on December 4, 2007 at 7:43 PM

Isn’t Whoopie Jewish?

Don’t know if this is off-topic, but when I was teaching English in Saudi Arabia, my students (all of them I ever asked) hotly affirmed that Islam existed well before either Mohammed or the Koran. Kinda confused me at the time.

thejackal on December 4, 2007 at 5:35 PM

Weight of Glory had it partly right. Ishmael was supposedly the one that Abraham was going to sacrafice, and his hand was stayed by God. Instead of Judaism, Islam was ccreated through Abraham. The Jews and Christians are supposed to have twisted and perverted it, and ol’ mo brought things right again. This is part of why they consider Jews and Christians to be simultaneously ‘people of the book’ and so hated.

Amazingly, the jew never mentions that jews came first.

She had an extra bowl of stupid this morning for breakfast.

Black Adam on December 4, 2007 at 6:15 PM

If you mean Behar, she’s Italian.

It’s a religious/historic Who’s On First Routine…without a joke at the end.

Bryan on December 4, 2007 at 5:00 PM

That’s usually the case with these “The View” clips: no joke at the end. Just anger and bewilderment from us viewers.