Audio: Democrat candidates asked “Why do Muslims hate us?” Updated

posted at 4:20 pm on December 4, 2007 by Bryan

The Democrats debated on NPR today, and were asked “Why do Muslims hate us?” If there’s a more tiresome question that has arisen from the ashes of 9-11, I’m not aware of it.

“Where’s my aircraft carrier?” was, essentially, the vast majority of Americans’ reaction after 9-11, liberal and conservative alike, but the rubber band has snapped the 9-10 left back to its former, pacifist, blame-America-first self. That NPR question arises from that attitude that all the hate directed at us must somehow be all our fault, and not motivated by anything other than our own actions. The word you may be looking for to describe that attitude is “narcissism.” Liberals corner the market on that stuff. And several of the Democrat candidates betrayed their worst, most liberal, knee-jerk blame America first instincts.

“Because we are trusted so little” – Joe Biden

Because of “the bullying, selfish, abusive behavior” of President Bush and his administration. – John Edwards

“John’s point is right, but I want to broaden it a little. If you were a Muslim overseas listening to Rudy Giuliani saying they want to come over here and kill you, you would get the impression that we don’t want to talk.” – Barack Obama

“This has been a vacuum for a long time. We don’t know their culture.” – Chris Dodd

The Muslims who attacked us on 9-11 hated us enough to attack us before we were in Iraq. They attacked us in 2000, they attacked us in 1998, they attacked us in 1996, etc etc. Was all of that hate the result of Bush bullying? Does Muslim hate violate the rules of space and time? Do they really hate us due to our lack of knowledge about their culture? Might there have been some other motivator apart from American actions? Hm? Osama bin Laden’s 1996 fatwa against us was based primarily on the fact that we were basing troops in Saudi Arabia. They were there protecting Muslims against other Muslims.

Is it possible, Democrats, that there is anti-American propaganda out there that spins opinions against us no matter what we do? Is it possible, Democrats, that the various governments that infest Muslim lands feed their people a steady diet of hatred for the West and America in particular? Is it possible, Democrats, that some Muslims hate us because of who we are (non-Muslims) and what we are (free) and who our friends are (Israel)? Should we change these things about ourselves to please them?

Answer me this, Democrat candidates: If we deserve Muslim hate, then why do the Muslims who have had the most constant contact with us, and with our military at that, have the highest opinion of Americans? I’m talking about Afghanistan, former home of al Qaeda, where not only do a majority of the Muslims not hate us, they want us to stay around.

Seventy-one percent of Afghans support the United States’ presence in Afghanistan — and where the U.S. is seen as strongest, its approval ratings peak.

But..but…Silky says we’re a bunch of bullies.

Despite some deterioration, most Afghans continue to see the U.S.-led overthrow of the Taliban as a good thing — 76 percent, although down from 88 percent last year — and to support U.S. forces remaining in their country. And 65 percent of Afghans still view the United States favorably overall, down from a peak of 83 percent in 2005 but still remarkable compared with America’s image in most other Muslim countries.

If you go through that poll I cited, you’ll see that our popularity in Afghanistan is sagging, but it appears to me based on this paragraph that the sag isn’t a result of hating America. Quite the contrary, actually.

Not all trends are negative; many Afghans in this national poll express forbearance, and half retain optimism, in the face of the country’s difficulties. And criticism of the United States is largely focused on its performance, not its presence.

Which means the more terrorist butt we kick, the more Afghanis tend to like us. The same seems to be true in Iraq’s once unruly al Anbar province, where the local Sunnis have turned toward the US and away from the hardcore Muslim mujihadin in their midst. Why? If we’re ignorant, infidel bullies, why are they siding with us?

One thing is clear: The Democrats who answered that question without either challenging its premise or by essentially blaming the US for being hated ought to be kept as far from the White House as possible. They don’t understand the war or the basic complexity of the world, they never have and they never will.

Update: One of the names that ought to come up in discussions of the sort the Democrats engaged in is Sayyid Qutb. He’s the Egyptian who came to America in the late 1940s, witnessed decadent sock hops in Colorado, and declared us all more or less worthy of death. He went on to found join the Muslim Brotherhood, which eventually gave rise to pretty much all of the Islamic terror groups that plague the world today. He was the uber Islamist who hated America long before it was fashionable. Heck, he hated America before George W. Bush was in kindergarten. Why, oh why, did Sayyid Qutb hate us?

The Democrats would also do well to watch a little Arab TV once in a while. This link will take you to LGF, which has a clip from Kuwaiti TV. I’ve been to Kuwait. The people there are cosmopolitan by regional standards. They’re outwardly friendly. They’re our allies because we saved their hind ends from Saddam. But if this TV audience is representative, they’ll also just as soon cut your head off as look at you if you run afoul of Islamic law. Is this America’s fault, Democrats?

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Its a valid question, but the democratic response was pretty pathetic

offroadaz on December 4, 2007 at 4:23 PM

Goes to show the mindset of liberals. They hate America and all it stands for. They are truly the enemy within.

jdawg on December 4, 2007 at 4:24 PM

Democrat candidates asked “Why do Muslims hate us?”

Probably the same reason the rest of us do.

Oh, you didn’t mean that personally?

Frozen Tex on December 4, 2007 at 4:24 PM

They don’t understand the war or the basic complexity of the world, they never have and they never will.

amen .

trailortrash on December 4, 2007 at 4:26 PM

Because of “the bullying, selfish, abusive behavior” of President Bush and his administration. – John Edwards

“John’s point is right, but I want to broaden it a little. If you were a Muslim overseas listening to Rudy Giuliani saying they want to come over here and kill you, you would get the impression that we don’t want to talk.” – Barack Obama

Do Liberals have a history book that goes back further than March 2003?

amerpundit on December 4, 2007 at 4:27 PM

Its a valid question, but the democratic response was pretty pathetic
offroadaz on December 4, 2007 at 4:23 PM

How is it a valid question?

Valiant on December 4, 2007 at 4:27 PM

What a bunch of idiots. Or are they? Self delusional?

It helps to not pay attention.

Agrippa2k on December 4, 2007 at 4:28 PM

Do Liberals have a history book that goes back further than March 2003?

amerpundit on December 4, 2007 at 4:27 PM

Should say:

Do these Liberals have a history book that goes back further than March 2003?

amerpundit on December 4, 2007 at 4:27 PM

amerpundit on December 4, 2007 at 4:28 PM

You know, I’m at the point with Uberfuhrer Edwards that all I really want is a bumper sticker with “F&#$ John Edwards”. Before you accuse me of sinking to DKos level, show me any initiative Bush has put through that is anything like Edward’s flat-out claim that he will force you into his health care plan, or put you in jail. While you’re doing that, show me where Bush or any republican has even come close to Edward’s above unvarnished insulting smear of this country. No, not even Ron Paul has come close to that.

I don’t want the left to win, period. Edwards is a special case, however. I truly think he wants total and complete power, and has a maniacal ego ready to unleash if he were in the oval office. I think he is the voice of the DKos and DU types and he wants to basically prove that he can dupe any bunch of soccer moms into voting for the Silky Pony because it’s pretty, and because he has lofty notions of a police state disguised as free government services to all (with a minor fee for handling in the form of massive tax increases).

This pony needs to go to the glue factory.

MadisonConservative on December 4, 2007 at 4:29 PM

“This has been a vacuum between my ears for a long time. We I don’t know their culture.” – Chris Dodd

That’s more reality based.

Frozen Tex on December 4, 2007 at 4:30 PM

How is it a valid question?

Valiant on December 4, 2007 at 4:27 PM

To find the root cause of the problem.

offroadaz on December 4, 2007 at 4:30 PM

I think the question itself is valid, but the answers are likely to be, in reality, centered around the idea that some people are just no good.

Funny thing is, some Democrats actually do believe this…about Republicans.

Defense Guy on December 4, 2007 at 4:30 PM

Thanks Bryan. I wish every American could read your post today. I also wish the Democrats you refer to could somehow be vanquished to Tora Bora for a couple years.

Griz on December 4, 2007 at 4:31 PM

“Where’s my aircraft carrier?”

I question I will ask every day until someone finally gives me one.

Frozen Tex on December 4, 2007 at 4:31 PM

show me where Bush or any republican has even come close to Edward’s above unvarnished insulting smear of this country. No, not even Ron Paul has come close to that.

I think the “Gulf of Tonkin” remark on house floor and claiming the Commander in Chief is plotting to impose Martial Law come pretty close. and then of course the 9/11 truth pandering, NAU, “Trialateral Commission”, etc.

alot of libertarian fringes really beleive they are living in nazi germany.

jp on December 4, 2007 at 4:34 PM

“Because we are I am trusted so little” – Joe Biden

Again, more reality based.

Frozen Tex on December 4, 2007 at 4:34 PM

Is it possible, Democrats, that some Muslims hate us because of who we are (non-Muslims) and what we are (free) and who our friends are (Israel)? Should we change these things about ourselves to please them?

Thank you, Thank you, thank you, Bryan. . .

Somebody ask the democrat candidates that question. Should we abandon Israel to appease the Muslim fanatics? Should we abandon Christianity to appease the Muslim fanatics?

If the answer is NO to both questions, then should we fight the fanatics to keep what it is that makes us who we are?

rockhauler on December 4, 2007 at 4:37 PM

Great job Bryan, TY.

infidel on December 4, 2007 at 4:37 PM

“Why do Muslims hate us?”

Maybe because we hate them.

right2bright on December 4, 2007 at 4:39 PM

Hey Bryan, looks like you validated one of Ron Pauls opinions on American foreign policy

Osama bin Laden’s 1996 fatwa against us was based primarily on the fact that we were basing troops in Saudi Arabia. They were there protecting Muslims against other Muslims

offroadaz on December 4, 2007 at 4:39 PM

If we’re ignorant, infidel bullies, why are they siding with us?

They like strength.

Frozen Tex on December 4, 2007 at 4:41 PM

Its a valid question, but the democratic response was pretty pathetic

offroadaz on December 4, 2007 at 4:23 PM

Valid? No it’s not. This nation has been nothing but generous to other.

Why doesn’t anyone ask this: Why do Americans dislike Islam so much?

Let’s see if any of the cowering Dumbs have the stones to bring up any of the atrocities committed in the name of Allah and mean it.

madmonkphotog on December 4, 2007 at 4:43 PM

“Why do Muslims hate us?”

Blaming America for their hatred of us is like the Muslims’ ubiquitous blame for the rape of women…. on the women.

Vanquisher on December 4, 2007 at 4:44 PM

I think the “Gulf of Tonkin” remark on house floor and claiming the Commander in Chief is plotting to impose Martial Law come pretty close. and then of course the 9/11 truth pandering, NAU, “Trialateral Commission”, etc.

alot of libertarian fringes really beleive they are living in nazi germany.

jp on December 4, 2007 at 4:34 PM

Trilateral Commission does exist, so it’s not a smear to talk about it. NAU is a reasonable concern given how the EU and UN work. 9/11 Truth pandering bothers me too, but he’s more refused to condemn it rather than open support it.

As for his first two remarks, they are historical comparisons of reasonable recognition, flawed as they are. Edward’s baseless verbal diarrhea hasn’t even a hint of legitimacy.

MadisonConservative on December 4, 2007 at 4:44 PM

Will somebody please let Obama know that they’ve already come here to kill us. I know he’s young but he ought to be able to remember September 11, 2001 even if he doesn’t recall the other attempt that occurred on Billy Jeff’s watch. Well maybe he was writing his kindergarten thesis and wasn’t paying attention.

Oldnuke on December 4, 2007 at 4:45 PM

So what did Thailand ever do to them? Are these clowns even aware of the surge in violence the “restive” southern portion of Thailand. That is the phrase the press uses.
Why do they hate Thailand?

LakeRuins on December 4, 2007 at 4:45 PM

offroadaz on December 4, 2007 at 4:39 PM

Uh, not really. What I said is factual. Bin Laden wanted to drive the infidels off the holy lands. He also wanted to take over Saudi Arabia and make himself king and caliph. Paul extrapolates backward that we were the bad guys in Vietnam and extrapolates forward that we’re deservedly hated now. He blames America first, consistently. But the fact is, we were protecting Saudi Arabia against Saddam Hussein. If Osama bin Laden has a problem with that, that’s his problem and doesn’t justify a “chickens come home to roost” argument like the one that’s at the heart of Paul’s foreign policy.

Bryan on December 4, 2007 at 4:47 PM

LakeRuins on December 4, 2007 at 4:45 PM

Thailand? Crap they hate Denmark, how insane is that?

Oldnuke on December 4, 2007 at 4:48 PM

Valid? No it’s not. This nation has been nothing but generous to other.

Don’t confuse “why do they hate us” with “what did we do to deserve that hate”. We will be better able to destroy our enemy if we know what motivates them, and we must destroy them.

Defense Guy on December 4, 2007 at 4:48 PM

Valid? No it’s not. This nation has been nothing but generous to other.

Why doesn’t anyone ask this: Why do Americans dislike Islam so much?

Let’s see if any of the cowering Dumbs have the stones to bring up any of the atrocities committed in the name of Allah and mean it.

madmonkphotog on December 4, 2007 at 4:43 PM

So if I killed your family you wouldn’t want to know why?

offroadaz on December 4, 2007 at 4:48 PM

So if I killed your family you wouldn’t want to know why?

offroadaz on December 4, 2007 at 4:48 PM

I’d want to know where you were, I’d worry about why a little later.

Oldnuke on December 4, 2007 at 4:50 PM

So if I killed your family you wouldn’t want to know why?

offroadaz on December 4, 2007 at 4:48 PM

You wouldn’t be around to explain it to me.

amerpundit on December 4, 2007 at 4:51 PM

Was all of that hate the result of Bush bullying? Does Muslim hate violate the rules of space and time?

Maybe Muslims really hate how he ran the Rangers.

Dash on December 4, 2007 at 4:52 PM

So if I killed your family you wouldn’t want to know why?

offroadaz on December 4, 2007 at 4:48 PM

We know what the Jihadist motivations are and where they come from, it is their ideology. Laid out in Sura 9:5 and 9:29, they divide the world into two camps: The “House of Islam” and the “House of Non-Islam” and are commanded to bring Jihad via the sword to us infidels in the “house of non-islam” and set up a global Caliphate.

not all that different than the Nazi’s tryin to take over the world and kill all the jews, or Imperial Japan trying to conquer the world…or the Soviets trying to spread Soviet Communism to the entire world…..they are evil, all of these ideologies are linked.

jp on December 4, 2007 at 4:57 PM

This is friggin’ scary, it’s actually quite possible that our next CinC will be one of these historically illiterate morons.

Tony737 on December 4, 2007 at 4:57 PM

Maybe Muslims really hate how he ran the Rangers.

I hate to admit this, but I’m with the muslims on that point. Of course, I hate the way anyone runs the Texas Rangers.

Matticus Finch on December 4, 2007 at 4:58 PM

– Joe Biden
– John Edwards
– Barack Obama
– Chris Dodd

Allah hates you this I know
For the Koran tells me so
Infidels Christians and Jews we bomb
They are weak but we are strong

Yes Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you,
The Koran tells me so.

Allah hates you, you will die
Blow your plane up in the sky
Say the salat, chop off head,
Eat falafel, go to bed.

Yes, Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you!

The Koran tells me so.

They hate us because we are not Muslim, you fracken dhimmi Morons!!!

MB4 on December 4, 2007 at 4:59 PM

Great post, Bryan. These people are despicable.

JammieWearingFool on December 4, 2007 at 5:01 PM

Should we abandon Israel to appease the Muslim fanatics? Should we abandon Christianity to appease the Muslim fanatics?

Probably best not to ask that.

Mike H on December 4, 2007 at 5:02 PM

They hate us because the alternative is to hate themselves. Bryan’s right. They’ve been fed a steady diet of hatred toward, not just us, but Western Civilization in general. For them, the Renaissance was just something that happened to other people.

They were supposed to be the ones running the world for thousands of years. They were supposed to be the ones in charge. Savages who treat women like animals, who still defecate in the street, who still think lopping off someone’s head with a dull scimitar for looking at them cross-eyed constitutes law and order.

History has passed them by and they can’t stand to think it might actually be their fault.

CurtZHP on December 4, 2007 at 5:02 PM

posted at 4:20 pm on December 4, 2007 by Bryan

Excellent post Bryan. Very well summarized, very clear, and very near irrefutable.

peski on December 4, 2007 at 5:04 PM

This is friggin’ scary, it’s actually quite possible that our next CinC will be one of these historically illiterate morons.

Tony737 on December 4, 2007 at 4:57 PM

I could have gone all day without being reminded of that. But of course you’re right.

Oldnuke on December 4, 2007 at 5:04 PM

Bryan,

You misspelled Dhimmicrat Democrat.

Subsunk out.

Subsunk on December 4, 2007 at 5:05 PM

MB4 on December 4, 2007 at 4:59 PM

Hee hee!

Frozen Tex on December 4, 2007 at 5:06 PM

This is friggin’ scary, it’s actually quite possible that our next CinC will be one of these historically illiterate morons.

Tony737 on December 4, 2007 at 4:57 PM

Yes, Jorge “ROP” Arbusto is enough already.

MB4 on December 4, 2007 at 5:13 PM

MB4 on December 4, 2007 at 4:59 PM

Hee hee!

Frozen Tex on December 4, 2007 at 5:06 PM

Something tells me that MB4 on December 4, 2007 at 5:13 PM
will probably not get so many hee, hee’s.

MB4 on December 4, 2007 at 5:16 PM

Wow. Obama’s answer is pure loony tunes, except for the fact that he’s running against Rudy now and not Hillary.

gabriel sutherland on December 4, 2007 at 5:16 PM

RADICAL ISLAM WANTS YOU DEAD
- Campus flyer, Law School of Republicans of the University of Florida

What we wrote was basically we will not apologize for telling the truth. We have a whole list of reasons why radical Islam does want us dead and I would challenge anyone to find a radical Islamist who wants us alive.
- Christian Waugh, President of the Law School of Republicans of the University of Florida

Methinks that’s all that needs to be said. OT, a moment of silence for Evel Knievel. He defintely was the man.

Suihei Deloi on December 4, 2007 at 5:17 PM

I would challenge anyone to find a radical Islamist who wants us alive.
- Christian Waugh, President of the Law School of Republicans of the University of Florida

There must be one or two that would like to have some slaves…

Frozen Tex on December 4, 2007 at 5:23 PM

“Why do Muslims hate us?”

Duh. Because the Qur’an orders them to. Is it really that tough to figure out?

Gregor on December 4, 2007 at 5:26 PM

So if I killed your family you wouldn’t want to know why?

offroadaz on December 4, 2007 at 4:48 PM

All I would want to know is where you are.

jdawg on December 4, 2007 at 5:27 PM

He went on to found the Muslim Brotherhood

Hassan al-Banna founded the Muslim Brotherhood in 1928. /nitpick

Good article. I think Osama Bin Laden knew that without an existing Caliph he needed to justify declaring a defensive jihad so he cited the presence of US soldiers in Islamic holy sites (in reality they were stationed 20-30 miles away). Al-Qaeda are not averse to spin when it suits them.

aengus on December 4, 2007 at 5:31 PM

Yes, Jorge “ROP” Arbusto is enough already.

Hee hee.

aengus on December 4, 2007 at 5:36 PM

I honestly can’t put the response any better. I wonder how the other 4 DhimmiRATs would answer that question.

steveegg on December 4, 2007 at 5:37 PM

aengus on December 4, 2007 at 5:31 PM

Yup, you’re right.

Bryan on December 4, 2007 at 5:39 PM

They hate us because of our freedom. period. Any further exploration of the subject is just un-american.

crr6 on December 4, 2007 at 5:57 PM

Muslims hate us because their government demagouges us, like Israel, to mask their internal suppression of their people.

Oh, and they don’t respect the rule of law.

Black Adam on December 4, 2007 at 6:06 PM

“Why do Muslims hate us?”

Very simple NPR & Democratic candidates. Because their religion is so intolerant that we only have two choices: convert to their religion or die.

See, that wasn’t so hard, but I only have 1500 years of to back it up. Is that enough?

Planet Boulder on December 4, 2007 at 6:07 PM

Should we abandon Israel to appease the Muslim fanatics? Should we abandon Christianity to appease the Muslim fanatics?

Probably best not to ask that.

Mike H on December 4, 2007 at 5:02 PM

Heh.

BacaDog on December 4, 2007 at 6:15 PM

They hate us because of our freedom. period. Any further exploration of the subject is just un-american.

crr6 on December 4, 2007 at 5:57 PM

I certainly hope you forgot the sarc tag on that…

doriangrey on December 4, 2007 at 6:24 PM

“Why do Muslims hate us?”

Their God demands they hate us, and gives them 72 palace each with 72 bedrooms each with 72 virgens.

A good muslim is NOT allowed to question the koran.

allrsn on December 4, 2007 at 6:33 PM

FDR and Truman are spinning in their graves.

This goes beyond our domestic political battles.

This brand of Western guilt over who and what we are will eventually destroy us.

The Western world is losing the will to stand up for what it is.

Multiculturalism really means denying your own cultural roots, and stating the falsehood that all cultures are equal.

It is the Western world, founded on Judeo-Christian values, that has created freedom and prosperity in the world.

But the left will continue to erode our sense of pride in who and what we are as a civilization until one day, we’ll wake up, and we won’t have a civilization anymore.

Europe is already well on its way to being predominantly Muslim. It will be by the end of the century.

And the U.S.A. will find itself as the last beacon for what the West once was.

Sometimes I am terrified at the world my children will live in, if we do not change our ways. If we do not stop the “Blame America First” attitude, and start standing up for the greatest nation the world has ever seen.

Why do they hate us?

Maybe these will help:

“We are not fighting so that you will offer us something.”
We are fighting to eliminate you.”

Hussein Masawi, Former leader of Hezbollah

Sura (9:30) – And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah,
and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah…
Allah (Himself) fights against them. How perverse are they!

How the Qu’ran views non-Muslim religions

“We don’t make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians,
innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers.
And the life of an unbeliever has no value.”

Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed, after the March 11, 2004
terrorist train bombings in Spain

Hawkins1701 on December 4, 2007 at 7:00 PM

Great post Bryan, we ought to send those ignorant candidates a gift wrapped copy of Robert’s Blogging the Qur’an. Not that they would know what to do with it…

Zorro on December 4, 2007 at 7:12 PM

One of the names that ought to come up in discussions of the sort the Democrats engaged in is Sayyid Qutb. He’s the Egyptian who came to America in the late 1940s, witnessed decadent sock hops in Colorado, and declared us all more or less worthy of death.

I find it ironic that in Sayyid’s mind, and all jihadists after him, we’re the decadent and self-absorbed society.

And yet it is Islam that promises an afterlife paradise full of wine and affluence and 72 virgins waiting to fulfill the martyr’s every carnal desire.

All you have to do is kill unbelievers and die in the process to get it.

But we’re the decadent and morally repugnant ones.

Oops, guess I just got myself on the “Infidels to Behead List” for questioning Islam. Wait, first CAIR will sue me, than the Sudanese backed jihadists will behead me.

While I’m at it, all my teddy bears are named Mohammed too.

Hawkins1701 on December 4, 2007 at 7:14 PM

Why doesn’t anyone ask this: Why do Americans dislike Islam so much?

madmonkphotog on December 4, 2007 at 4:43 PM

The question I have is, Why don’t Americans hate Islam more? We have exercised enormous restraint when dealing with the atrocities of the Religion of Peace.

Ultimately, I don’t care why Muslims hate us–I am not about to change myself, or my country, in an effort to please them. In the battle between Islam and the West, only one of us can win, and it’s not going to be them as long as I can do anything about it.

While we’re posing questions about America, here’s one: Why do Democrats hate us so much?

DrMagnolias on December 4, 2007 at 7:21 PM

Does Muslim hate violate the rules of space and time?

Of course! Jeez, Bryan, you really don’t understand just how much they hate us.

Seriously, though, it’s okay not to challenge the premise. They hate us because Osama thought it was an insult for non-Muslims to defend Muslims, especially defending “corrupt” improperly religious Muslims (Saudis, Afghans, Hashemites) and/or defending against “pure” theocratic Muslims (Taliban, Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood). That’s why it goes back to around 1920, before even Bush’s dad was born.

calbear on December 4, 2007 at 7:35 PM

Europe is already well on its way to being predominantly Muslim. It will be by the end of the century.

The question of whether or not Europe will become predominantly Muslim will be settled long before mid-century one way or another. A pertinent question is whether the US will side with the Muslims or the Europeans in the coming conflict.

aengus on December 4, 2007 at 7:56 PM

Paying In Blood For Liberal Arrogance
By Justin Darr July 10, 2006
If there is one trait that defines Liberalism, it is a hatred for consequences. No matter what the circumstance, Liberals are either trying to ignore, avoid, or blame others for the consequences of their own actions. Normally this would not be a problem, everyone should be free to live as goofy a life as they please, even if it happens to entail stumbling about blindly within a fog of their own self-delusions. However, the problem with Liberals is they cannot just be content with screwing up their own lives; they have to screw up the lives of those around them as well. …
Reality is the greatest threat to Liberalism, not Conservatives. When reality comes crashing in, and Liberals are forced to see the consequences of their half baked ideas, their first response is to blame someone else for them. Normally, the people who get blamed will be the ones who said their ideas would never work in the first place, but since the Libs hate them, they make a convenient scapegoat. That might sound like an oxymoron, blaming others who said your ideas would not work after they have been proved right and your ideas did not work, but it far easier for Liberals to lash out in overly emotional incoherence than admit they might have ever made a mistake.
So far, the only victims of Liberalism have been our society, culture, children, and way of life in general. However, this soon may change in the face of the international war on terror and nuclear proliferation
Speaking of 52 American hostages, Iran, venue of President Carter’s last diplomatic victory for Liberalism’s cause, is going to develop nuclear weapons, as well. This time, the Bush Administration is doing what the Liberals want, and engaging in multilateral negotiations with a country that is the wellspring of global international terrorism. Not to be the pessimist, but they are not going to work. Iran is doing to pursue the development of nuclear weapons until either they have them, or someone destroys their nuclear production capabilities. We can stand around and negotiate forever, and this fact will not change. Liberals like to pretend that negotiations are an end unto themselves. That somehow, if we talk long enough, and give a hostile enemy concession after concession, peace will mysteriously erupt. The fact that negotiating with rogue regimes is no more effective today than it was in the days of Neville Chamberlain is lost on Liberals. Faced with the reality that the problem is not Iran’s poverty, infrastructure, or need for alternative fuel sources, but the radical terrorist regime running it, Liberals have once again chosen to blame Bush and the United States, in general, for objecting to Iran’s desire to “wipe Israel off the map.”
Liberals are not only ignoring the consequences of their previous decisions, but arrogantly proceeding down another reckless course that will only end in disaster. Just as “The New York Times” has decided there will be no negative consequences to their divulging America’s innermost secrets in how it fight the war on terror, simply because they have decided there will not be any, the international community is gambling that their failed methods of the past will somehow now work with Iran and North Korea. My question is, how many millions will have to die before the Liberals admit they were wrong.

If it’s too long, I’ll try to find the link. It’s over a year old.

Mazztek on December 4, 2007 at 8:37 PM

The question I have is, Why don’t Americans hate Islam more? We have exercised enormous restraint when dealing with the atrocities of the Religion of Peace.

Ultimately, I don’t care why Muslims hate us–I am not about to change myself, or my country, in an effort to please them. In the battle between Islam and the West, only one of us can win, and it’s not going to be them as long as I can do anything about it.

While we’re posing questions about America, here’s one: Why do Democrats hate us so much?

DrMagnolias on December 4, 2007 at 7:21 PM

That is very well said, and I was thinking the same thing about the Dhimmicrats. It’s a bizarre, self-destructive thing, they’re just chasing their tails with the “Why do muslims hate us” crap. No one who can tie their own shoe laces wouldn’t be able to figure it out. They’re being deliberately obtuse and why? I should ask my Dad sometime, though I dread talking politics with him, he’s gone so far left it scares me sometimes.

4shoes on December 4, 2007 at 9:32 PM

They (Political Muslims) HATED US before we were even a constitutional republic.

Muslims (most are decent people) don’t hate us one bit. They are coming to the USA at an increasing rate, taking advantage of our freedoms, jobs, and relative peace.

They don’t hate us, their MASTERS (Imams, Clerics, Sheikhs, etc. hate us.)

Islam is more than religion, it is a political ideology that wields a sword.

Of course the liberals spout on about Christendom as if it is still a menace today, forgetting all the reformations that have happened the last 300 years…

Oh well. It sucks to live in this bizarro world somedays, but I know the record and which side I am on.

James on December 4, 2007 at 9:35 PM

Slightly OT, but during the NPR debate was anyone else bothered by the Barry White playing softly in the background, and the unmistakable sounds of kisses being blown to each candidate by the questioner after they answered?

drunyan8315 on December 4, 2007 at 10:06 PM

Why should any free infidel want to be “liked” by mohammedans?
Why do infidels want to “win their hearts and minds”?

Syndic Nuruodo on December 4, 2007 at 10:36 PM

The Dhimmicrat’s choice of an ass for a symbol is appropriate.

shaken on December 4, 2007 at 11:06 PM

Edwards is the worst.

Tzetzes on December 5, 2007 at 2:17 AM

“Why do some people look at a smoking ruin and see lives lost and others see only confirmation of their thesis on Kyoto? Any real insight into the ”root causes” has to begin with an acknowledgment of the human toll, if only because that speaks more eloquently than anything else to the vast cultural gulf between the victims and perpetrators. But, in bringing war to the East Coast for the first time in two centuries, the terrorists have also brought totalitarianism’s fellow travelers home. It was easy for Western apologists to slough off the dead in the gulags, far away and out of sight. But could they do the same if the corpses were right here on this continent, in the heart of our biggest cities?

Yes, they could, and so effortlessly. In some weird Orwellian boomerang, the degradation of language required to advance the left’s absurd theories has rendered its proponents utterly desiccated. The president gets teary in the Oval Office, the queen chokes up at St. Paul’s, David Letterman and Dan Rather sob on CBS, New Yorkers weep openly for their slain firemen, but the dead-eyed zombies of the peace movement who claim to love everyone parade through the streets unmoved, a breed apart.”

Mark Steyn, “Smothering us in cliches,” 10/7/2001, http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn/cst-edt-steyn07.html

Nothng will move the left. Democrats ARE the treason party.

Potestas Democraticorum delenda est!

georgej on December 5, 2007 at 2:59 AM

Here is a parable for our times, told just for the Democrats appearing on National Pinko Radio for this “debate….

You are a Democratic Candidate for President, your opposition to the war in Iraq is public and well known, and you are trying to score “points” with your far left constituency. Standing next to you is your father’s brother, Sam. Now, Sam is just kind of standing around. Sam is about 6 foot 4, 285 lbs, built like a fullback. Sam’s got the reputation of being the last man standing in a bar fight, and he’s just come come home for a particularly vicious bar fight. He needs R&R.

A small, thin, wiry man, weighing maybe all of 105 lbs, and not over 5’2″ tall, steps out of the crowd and walks up to Sam. With out saying or telegraphing a thing, the guy slugs Sam in the solar plexus. Sam, being a weight trainer and very fit, would normally have tensed his stomach muscles if he knew it was coming, but he is totally unprepared — Sam simply wasn’t paying attention to the wiry man, you see. So. Sam is stunned, out of breath, and he has sunk to his knees. He’s not seriously hurt, mind you. Just stunned with the breath knocked out of him. He begins to get to his feet, his face purple with fury.

You turn to him and say, “Sam, don’t hit him back. Look at him, he’s probably mad at you because you took the parking spot he wanted. Peace brother! It’s wrong to retaliate.”

Sam, conscious of the disdainful looks your compatriots are giving him, does not strike back. Instead he nods and simply says between gasps, “Forgive me, I didn’t know that I offended you.”

The wiry man, on the other hand, feels emboldened. After all, he just sucker-punched Big Sam and made him drop to his knees. So, wiry man reaches into his pocket, puts something over his hand, and hits Sam hard in the face, dropping him like a poleaxed ox.

The wiry man was wearing “brass knuckles,” you see, allowing him the ability to really hurt Sam with this one punch.

Sam is unconscious with a concussion and a broken jaw. Half the teeth on the side where wiry man hit are broken or knocked out. As Sam struggles to regain consciousness, again you say to him: “don’t hit him back, you’re above all that.” Sam, being groggy, simply shrugs, wincing in pain, and attempts to stand up.

Finally, Sam struggles dizzily to his feet. He’s hurt pretty bad, now. Sam knows that the wiry man is still standing there, but he just can’t focus his eyes, and barely sees the wiry man pull a knife.

Striking like a cobra, the wiry man steps forward, and slits Sam’s throat from ear to ear.

As the final blackness overtakes Sam, he sees the wiry man turn to you, with his bloody knife raised high, and hears him shout “Allah Ackbar,” and begin the killing stroke.

Sam’s last thought is how stupid he was to let you talk him out of pounding the wiry guy into the pavement when he the chance, when he was still capable of fighting. Now, you, his nephew, are going to die and there is nothing he can do about it.

Your last thought as he begins to slit your throat is “Uncle Sam, help!!”

You already know the moral to this story, Democrats.

And tonight, you Democrats wore your “Axis Sally” dresses…

Potestas Democraticorum delenda est!

georgej on December 5, 2007 at 3:14 AM

First, the question “why do Muslims hate us” is a loaded question with a bogus premise, which is that Muslim hate is legitmate with American behavior as the cause. Not so.

Bernard Lewis, the Princeton professor emeritus of Middle Eastern history, says that the Muslim objection to America is that, in their view, it is wrong for non-Muslims to hold power over Muslims. This view was put simply by Zacarius Massoui in his trial in Virginia for participation in the Sep 11 plot when he was asked why he wanted to attack America. He replied that it was wrong for America to be the superpower, that Islam should be the superpower.

The Muslims hate us out of simple bigotry, ie they believe their religion should rule the world and all other ways of thought – religious, political, philosophical – are blasphemy which must be annihilated. You can see this at work when Muslims come in contact with non-Muslims anywhere in the world. Muslims seek always to dominate other groups, not cooperate. Muslims always make war on their hosts and neighbors, where ever they go in the world. They simply accept no non-Muslims.

For the best example of this, take the case of Saudi Arabia. No nation in human history has benefitted more from another nation than Saudi Arabia has benefitted from the US. We lifted them up from abject poverty into luxury, built their country including the road net, electrical infrastructure, financial management, communications, health care, and countless other elements of infrastructure. Normal humans would have grateful for such generosity, yet Saudis are driven to hate Americans by their Wahhabi indoctrination. Our generosity to the Saudis simply enabled their pathology, gave them the money to attack us. The inhuman response of the Saudi Wahhabis was to mass murder Americans and celebrate their deaths.

The Islamic world does not recognize any good deed done by America, but rather spins anything America does in the most negative way possible. It’s like pouring sugar on a fire ant mound. The fire ants don’t send you a thank you note for all that nice sugar you dropped on them. They use that sugar to make more fire ants to bite the hell out of you. In their view, fire ants must rule the world.

Tantor on December 5, 2007 at 5:21 AM

So that’s a valid question?

Fine, then I’ve got a question. What’s with the attitude that believes that all motivations and actions are initiated by free-thought actions in the Western world, and all actions by the non-Western World are simply “reactions”?

Why is the presumption that all series of actions have a cause in the Western world, and an effect in the non-Western world?

Isn’t it possible eventually that something could initiate in the non-Western nations, or do they not have free will? Isn’t it possible that American, or other western nations actions could be caused by a root cause somewhere else, or does only America have this “free will” required to initiate actions and events?

Because if every action has a root cause in the U.S. then we’re simply calling the rest of the world unthinking reactions to U.S. free-willed actions aren’t we?

Given the presumptions behind the question, isn’t this a racist, elitist and condescending point of view? I thought Republicans were supposed to be the racist ones, or did I miss when that changed?

Oh well, maybe some day Liberals will believe that other nations might have thinking people capable of their own actions, and their own responsibilities. Until then, all blame must (eventually) fall on U.S. because all chains of events must be initiated here.

Is this really a tolerant and accepting view of other cultures?

gekkobear on December 5, 2007 at 12:14 PM