Marines to Pentagon: We need a freaky deaky airborne death ray, stat

posted at 2:42 pm on December 3, 2007 by Allahpundit

Thunderbolts from the sky. They call it the Precision Airborne Standoff Directed Energy Weapon (PASDEW), I call it Zeusmania.

In the annals of awesomeness, this shall be the standard against which all future awesomeness is measured.

According to the Marines’ laser request, obtained by DANGER ROOM, this so-called Precision Airborne Standoff Directed Energy Weapon (PASDEW) wouldn’t just be an improved killed machine. It would also have particularly devastating psychological effects. Such weapons, when used against people, “can be compared to long range blow torches or precision flame throwers, with corresponding psychological advantages for [Coalition Forces] CF.”

In other words, the lasers don’t just kill people, but they kill people in really gruesome, frightening ways — particularly because the beam from such weapons, like the Advanced Tactical Laser, is invisible to the human eye. That means you could have three guys standing around, and one of them suddenly burst into flames.

“It is a lethal capability [insurgents] cannot readily counter and will not fully comprehend,” goes the military’s description, which seems optimistic given that descriptions of the device are already circulating publicly on sites like Danger Room. It seems we’re not close to actually having this capability, although an experimental laser cannon did hit 67 kilowatts in a test in February and the magic battlefield threshold of 100 kw was expected to be reached within 6-8 months after that, so who knows? If you start seeing an unusual uptick in reports out of Iraq of spontaneous human combustion, you’ll know.

Exit question: Isn’t this weapon likely to be … counterproductive in a counterinsurgency setting? Our success lately comes from building trust with the locals. Demonstrating a godlike power to light any one of them on fire from 50,000 feet before they knew what hit them would seem to, er, cut against that.

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Exit question: Isn’t this weapon likely to be… counterproductive in a counterinsurgency setting? Demonstrating a godlike power to light any one of them on fire from 50,000 feet before they knew what hit them would [work against building a trust between us and the locals].

Don’t care. Want the laser more than trust.

Zeus doesn’t need trust when he’s got the thunderbolt.

ScottMcC on December 3, 2007 at 2:47 PM

Dont be too proud of this technological terror you have constructed. Its insignificant next to the power of a PO’ed Marine

William Amos on December 3, 2007 at 2:49 PM

What’s that thing in Gears of War called?

Alex K on December 3, 2007 at 2:49 PM

If they had just managed to keep it quiet a while, we could have had the extra effect of telling the jihadi’s that the reason so many of them are suddenly catching fire is because Allah is angry at them. Now that capability is gone forever.

Defense Guy on December 3, 2007 at 2:49 PM

Hammer of Dawn, that’s it.

Alex K on December 3, 2007 at 2:50 PM

one of them suddenly burst into flames

Wasn’t this a SNL routine?

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on December 3, 2007 at 2:50 PM

Exit question: Isn’t this weapon likely to be … counterproductive in a counterinsurgency setting? Our success lately comes from building trust with the locals. Demonstrating a godlike power to light any one of them on fire from 50,000 feet before they knew what hit them would seem to, er, cut against that.

I’d think it’d make them feel safer. We have no intention of blasting an innocent guy looking to feed his family and help us out. We do, however, have an interest in blasting the terrorist trying to hurt the innocent guy’s family.

amerpundit on December 3, 2007 at 2:51 PM

Isn’t this weapon likely to be … counterproductive in a counterinsurgency setting?

No, not by virtue of its existence.

Depends how accurate it is and who you use it on. Having more power is a feather in the cap in counterinsurgency, specifically in Iraq (“strong horse” and all that). It’s when that power is poorly targeted that it becomes a COIN-related problem.

BillINDC on December 3, 2007 at 2:51 PM

Now see, if you wanted to spin the Marine Corps’ orbital death ray to take another swipe at Bushitler, you would analogize this to Stargate SG1 and the “Ori” characters. To follow — Bushitler will instruct the Marines to deploy Baptist preachers to Iraq, dress them up in Ori “prior” costumes, and have them tell the Iraqis to convert to Christianity or God would smite them. A few demonstrations and voila, no more Muslims in Iraq. Ann Coulter would be pleased.

But on a serious, non-anti-Bush note, my only concern with “invisible technology” like orbital death rays is the potential for copy-cat abuse. Can you imagine how many Iraqis will intentionally set women and children on fire and then blame Coalition Forces? It would be brutal.

I think we should stick to the less-than-lethal energy weapons for now. I really enjoy that active denial system they demonstrated on Futureweapons.

Outlander on December 3, 2007 at 2:51 PM

I like to think of it as a big ol’ taser.

Allahpundit on December 3, 2007 at 2:52 PM

“Don’t las me bro, don’t las me!”

Oh the humanity of it all!!!!

sdd on December 3, 2007 at 2:53 PM

I like to think of it as a big ol’ taser.

Allahpundit on December 3, 2007 at 2:52 PM

Dont tase Mo !

William Amos on December 3, 2007 at 2:53 PM

Allahpundit on December 3, 2007 at 2:52 PM

On the plus side, we could get great clips of jihadists running around Iraq yelling “Don’t tase me, bro!”.

amerpundit on December 3, 2007 at 2:55 PM

Exit question: Isn’t this weapon likely to be … counterproductive in a counterinsurgency setting? Our success lately comes from building trust with the locals. Demonstrating a godlike power to light any one of them on fire from 50,000 feet before they knew what hit them would seem to, er, cut against that.

The thought of a weapon like this coming soon to a town near you is enough to counter thoughts of joining an insurgency for $100 a month.

bnelson44 on December 3, 2007 at 2:57 PM

How long before the Paulnuts start claiming that this is being used on them?

PS – Hammer of Dawn is the perfect name for it.

Number 2 on December 3, 2007 at 2:57 PM

The AIF would be terrified of this weapon and therefore it would not have to be used very much. Even with these yahoos, a little technology goes a long way. Kind of a once bitten twice shy sort of deal, until they figure out a way around it. But by then hopfeully we’ll have real lightsabres and be able to destroy jihadis in a more civillized manner.

gator70 on December 3, 2007 at 2:59 PM

I think they need ones for base defense…sweet.

Bad Candy on December 3, 2007 at 3:00 PM

Peace through superior Firepower!
Negoiations are the purvue of the State Dept, not the Defense Dept.

LakeRuins on December 3, 2007 at 3:00 PM

Demonstrating a godlike power to light any one of them on fire from 50,000 feet before they knew what hit them would seem to, er, cut against that.

On the other hand, I wouldn’t mind being able to deploy this weapon against some of my co-workers.

Centerfire on December 3, 2007 at 3:02 PM

Val Kilmer was helping build this thing in Real Genius.

saint kansas on December 3, 2007 at 3:03 PM

How long before the Paulnuts start claiming that this is being used on them?

PS – Hammer of Dawn is the perfect name for it.

Number 2 on December 3, 2007 at 2:57 PM

Personally I like FF VI’s “Light of Judgement” but that’s just me.

Just one more reason why US Military Slogan #8: “Often mistaken for the wrath of God” is accurate.

BKennedy on December 3, 2007 at 3:04 PM

P.S. Allah said “godlike power.”

saint kansas on December 3, 2007 at 3:04 PM

It will only work until jihadists start walking around with mirrors mounted on their heads. Of course it then makes them a target for conventional forces.

LakeRuins on December 3, 2007 at 3:04 PM

I saw this movie already! My favorite part was when Chris Knight and Lazlo hollyfeld used the laser to fill Professor Hathaway’s house with jiffy-pop.

trubble on December 3, 2007 at 3:05 PM

I am the lawgiver!

lorien1973 on December 3, 2007 at 3:05 PM

Such a weapon, if not fully effective, might violate International treaties, which prefer scores or millions dead to “bad weapons” being used. We’ll see how soon the UN and EU get involved in this if it comes to fruition.

calbear on December 3, 2007 at 3:06 PM

The other major parameter is beam size, of course. Even a measly 60kW will do some impressive hole-pokey things if it’s pumped down a beam the width of a match-head.

mojo on December 3, 2007 at 3:08 PM

Such a weapon, if not fully effective, might violate International treaties, which prefer scores or millions dead to “bad weapons” being used. We’ll see how soon the UN and EU get involved in this if it comes to fruition.

calbear on December 3, 2007 at 3:06 PM

For some reason I have this picture in my mind of UN members and dictator shills giving yet another anti-American screed and then bursting into flame unexpectedly.

BKennedy on December 3, 2007 at 3:08 PM

“Can you imagine how many Iraqis will intentionally set women and children on fire and then blame Coalition Forces”

Umm, don’t they do this already with different means of killing the innocent?

rayvet on December 3, 2007 at 3:08 PM

On the plus side, we could get great clips of jihadists running around Iraq yelling “Don’t tase me, bro!”.

And we finally get an answer to the annoying puzzle over exactly what the flashpoint of a turban is…

Ochlan on December 3, 2007 at 3:09 PM

I know there may be downsides, but “I can vaporize you from orbit whenever I want to” has a nice ring to it.

Sure, that’s a few years off, but it’s cool anyway.

Speaking of video games, in Unreal Tournament there was a “weapon” called the Ion Painter that called down a satellite strike on a location you designated. Now all we need is Flak cannons and Lightning guns. And infinite regeneration…

Merovign on December 3, 2007 at 3:09 PM

In the annals of awesomeness, this shall be the standard against which all future awesomeness is measured.

That’s the money quote of ALL TIME!!!!

I picture this image looking like one of the old Road Runner/Wiley E. Coyote just as he holds up the sign that says “Yikes”.

“Hey Osama, Go Towards the light”…..ZING!!!!

HarryStar on December 3, 2007 at 3:09 PM

Read about this in Jane’s (I think) about ten years ago… nice to see they’re solving the power issues… used to be the power supply would barely fit into a stripped 747.

hindmost on December 3, 2007 at 3:10 PM

The Air Force will have this before the Marines. The Corps has always prided itself on its ability to make due with last generation Army surplus junk.

Tony737 on December 3, 2007 at 3:11 PM

I am the lawgiver!

lorien1973 on December 3, 2007 at 3:05 PM

I liked that, but unfortunately it’s still sorta obscure.

ScottMcC on December 3, 2007 at 3:13 PM

In the annals of awesomeness, this shall be the standard against which all future awesomeness is measured.

Oh, and I’ve got a one-up… in that same article, they were talking about Runaway style cluster bombs… not ones that would home in on specific DNA like in the movie (and presumably the book), but rather grenades with legs, that would disperse upon release and run up next to the nearest 98.6 degree object and go boom.

hindmost on December 3, 2007 at 3:14 PM

“In our 25kW configuration and our 2.5 sq cm spot size on a one-inch thick steel target, we blow a hole through it in seven seconds.”

A 100 KW laser wouldn’t be needed to kill insurgents, since a much lower power unit could do that, as could a Predator. It sounds like they want to take out harder and/or faster moving high-value targets.

pedestrian on December 3, 2007 at 3:14 PM

We could drop compact fluorescents from the sky and really @#^$ things up.

saint kansas on December 3, 2007 at 3:15 PM

I hope they actually do officially name it “The Freaky Deaky Airborne Death Ray”.

Someday we’ll look back at the 747 airborne laser and think “That thing is so primitive.”

I envision the F-35 with projected energy weapons, then the Osprey with a side mounted laser like an AC-130 gunship. God bless America! Good Lord I love this country!

Tony737 on December 3, 2007 at 3:17 PM

But will it fit on the head of a shark? Hmmmm?

robblefarian on December 3, 2007 at 3:18 PM

Semper Fi, baby. Dare to dream big.

Isn’t this weapon likely to be … counterproductive in a counterinsurgency setting? Our success lately comes from building trust with the locals. Demonstrating a godlike power to light any one of them on fire from 50,000 feet before they knew what hit them would seem to, er, cut against that.

Nope.

The best part? The plausible deniability.

What we do is – wait for it – blame God. I mean Allah.

All we have to do is test it publicly on that blasphemous teddy bear. Once that suckers bursts into flames on Al-Jazeera, they’ll believe anything. After that, the brave freedom fighters will fall for it hook, line, and burkha.

Start the withdrawal now. Toast up a couple jihadis and the fights over.

See why atheism sucks? This would never work with atheists.

Professor Blather on December 3, 2007 at 3:19 PM

Burn ‘em. Melt ‘em. Whatever it takes.

Griz on December 3, 2007 at 3:20 PM

Val Kilmer was helping build this thing in Real Genius.

saint kansas on December 3, 2007 at 3:03 PM

Somebody get the big bag ‘o Jiffy-Pop.

Professor Blather on December 3, 2007 at 3:20 PM

In “Neuromancer”, William Gibson described a laser weapon that would make heads explode, by virtue of the contents of said heads vapourize, then bursting due to the pressure. That’ll freak out the Jihadis! No, sound, no signs, then SPLAT!

Frozen Tex on December 3, 2007 at 3:20 PM

The laser beam probably wont make the target “burst into flames” Early in my engineering career I did a lot of work with some very large lasers. The beam sorta evaporates the target material, some burned a pretty clean hole through various targets, but I never saw flames.

But thats worse in a way. Three guys walking along chatting and then most of the middle guy just isnt there any more, except for a really bad smell….

dogsoldier on December 3, 2007 at 3:21 PM

Die the Flame Death!

(for those of you that read some of the early John Norman novels)

dostrick on December 3, 2007 at 3:21 PM

By the way, coolest new job in the Marine Corps: laser sniper.

Wonder if they have an MOS designation picked out?

Those guys are gonna get all the chicks.

Professor Blather on December 3, 2007 at 3:21 PM

The problem with lasers is that they are easily defeated with a mirror, correct?

lorien1973 on December 3, 2007 at 3:24 PM

See why atheism sucks? This would never work with atheists.

Professor Blather on December 3, 2007 at 3:19 PM

I disagree for two reasons.

1. It most certaininly will work on atheists ;)

2. It’s kind of irrelevant unless that “mark of the atheist” cult Hitchens has joined organizes itself and starts killing believers for their fanatical heresy from the non-religion of peace.

BKennedy on December 3, 2007 at 3:24 PM

Professor

What we do is – wait for it – blame God. I mean Allah.

I LOVE it! Zap Ahmajihadist right in front of his people at a rally as soon as he says “Nuke Israel” and see how many convert!

I remember when Daddy Bush sent aid to Iran after a major earthquake that they blamed US for, and I though, if I were Bush, I would’ve said “Yeah, that’s right, we did it, we have an earthquake machine, so don’t f#ck with us.”

Tony737 on December 3, 2007 at 3:27 PM

The problem with lasers is that they are easily defeated with a mirror, correct?

lorien1973 on December 3, 2007 at 3:24 PM

Not sure, although I recall there’s actually some degree of force involved, too; for instance, mirror-polishing a missile wouldn’t protect it from anti-missile lasers.

Frozen Tex on December 3, 2007 at 3:27 PM

Val Kilmer was helping build this thing in Real Genius.

saint kansas on December 3, 2007 at 3:03 PM

Gawd I love you people! I was thinking the same thing adding, “Where’s my jiffy pop!?!?”

Pilgrim on December 3, 2007 at 3:29 PM

That means you could have three guys standing around, and one of them suddenly burst into flames.

Holy crap.

Vizzini on December 3, 2007 at 3:32 PM

Our success lately comes from building trust with the locals. Demonstrating a godlike power to light any one of them on fire from 50,000 feet before they knew what hit them would seem to, er, cut against that.

Who’s gonna be left to complain about it?

JetBoy on December 3, 2007 at 3:33 PM

I can’t help but think of those parades Hezbollah and Hamas like to stage.

Just run the line right up the middle of the street…

KCSteve on December 3, 2007 at 3:38 PM

On the plus side, we could get great clips of jihadists running around Iraq yelling “Don’t tase me, bro!”.

amerpundit on December 3, 2007 at 2:55 PM

With a series of short bursts from the laser, you could probably make them dance. You could create an entire spontaneous chorus line of jihadi riverdancers. It would be entertaining, anyway.

Nosferightu on December 3, 2007 at 3:40 PM

Demonstrating a godlike power to light any one of them on fire from 50,000 feet before they knew what hit them would seem to, er, cut against that.

That’s the other side of the Marine COIN: no better friend, no worse enemy.

TallDave on December 3, 2007 at 3:42 PM

Ok, I couldn’t open the link from my Treo so I switched to the Wifey’s computer and in the time between I see that the article stole my idea about arming the Osprey with this laser. Who do I speak to about collecting my royalty check?

Tony737 on December 3, 2007 at 3:43 PM

I need to know the sound this weapon makes before I can get behind it. It has to be a 50′s Sci-Fi sound for me to support it. It also needs to be available as a ring tone.

Having someone next to you burst into flames in Islam is no big stretch, plus I saw that happen on South Park from holding in gas. The sound of the weapon is what will drive those terrorists berserk.

Hening on December 3, 2007 at 3:47 PM

The problem with lasers is that they are easily defeated with a mirror, correct?

lorien1973 on December 3, 2007 at 3:24 PM

Well that’s OK too. If the terrorists don’t know when it’s coming they could not go outside without having the bathroom mirror somehow affixed to their rag heads. Probably have to balance it with both hands. Doesn’t leave any hands free for mischief. Then we can just waste them with conventional weapons.

sdd on December 3, 2007 at 3:48 PM

The problem with lasers is that they are easily defeated with a mirror, correct?

lorien1973 on December 3, 2007 at 3:24 PM

at the 100kw level, your average mirror will likely turn into effective shrapnel, assuming you manage to hold onto said mirror, and happen to have the shiney side pointed towards the invisible death rayTM

Canadian Imperialist Running Dog on December 3, 2007 at 3:50 PM

I forget to mention that not only do I respect the Marine Corps, but I love the way they think. What a great weapon idea.

Hening on December 3, 2007 at 3:50 PM

Kind of like Moonfire, but it would hurt, amirite?

Asher on December 3, 2007 at 3:51 PM

Isn’t there anything they can dig out of Area 51?

Kini on December 3, 2007 at 3:52 PM

PASDEW barada nikto?

- The Cat

MirCat on December 3, 2007 at 3:54 PM

Lemme try that again

PASDEW barada nikto?

- The Cat

MirCat on December 3, 2007 at 3:56 PM

The weapon would be even more demoralizing if it included PPP (Porcine Polarized Photons).

“The smell of BBQ in the morning. It’s the smell of victory.”

SJBill on December 3, 2007 at 4:04 PM

Can we make one which can have a lower level output? A laser set on stun would be a great weapon. An innocent civilian who gets hit wakes up under medical care. A terrorist wakes up in prison.

Yeah, I know. I’ve watched too much Star Trek in my lifetime.

Bigfoot on December 3, 2007 at 4:06 PM

Oooooooohhhhh!

frreal on December 3, 2007 at 4:10 PM

“I solved your power problem, Jerry!”

fusionaddict on December 3, 2007 at 4:17 PM

Just think about 1600 yard shots.
No worrying about windage or elevation.

I’m getting aroused just thinking about it.

TheSitRep on December 3, 2007 at 4:17 PM

“I solved your power problem, Jerry!”

fusionaddict on December 3, 2007 at 4:17 PM

Real Genius?

- The Cat

MirCat on December 3, 2007 at 4:23 PM

Trailer from “Real Genius“. 1985

Egfrow on December 3, 2007 at 4:28 PM

Just think about 1600 yard shots.
No worrying about windage or elevation.

I’m getting aroused just thinking about it.

TheSitRep on December 3, 2007 at 4:17 PM

Yup; gives new meaning to “If we can see it, we can kill it.”

Frozen Tex on December 3, 2007 at 4:35 PM

In the immortal words of Socrates … I drank what?

Professor Blather on December 3, 2007 at 4:35 PM

PASDEW? What a crappy acronym.

They need to work on that. Oh, and the satellite has to look like the Death Star.

TexasDan on December 3, 2007 at 4:54 PM

The problem with lasers is that they are easily defeated with a mirror, correct?

lorien1973 on December 3, 2007 at 3:24 PM

Maybe, but you won’t need a laser to drop the guy wearing a disco ball burka hoping to avoid Zeus’ Thunderbolt. That guy will be pretty easy to spot in a desert by the Marine with the Barrett 82A1.

ScottMcC on December 3, 2007 at 4:56 PM

Hey guys, thanks!!! I haven’t laughed so hard in weeks…needed it just to stay sane and human. “Don’t las me bro….A WINNER!!

sharinlite on December 3, 2007 at 4:56 PM

It is time to deploy more less-than-lethal weapons in Iraq.

I particularly like the stink bomb. Or perhaps one day a stink ray. Also foam sprays (or rays). And tazers can be counted on for an entertaining perp-dance.

The more embarrassing the better the “weapon” the better. How about a gun that blows your clothes off?

Agrippa2k on December 3, 2007 at 5:03 PM

by the time this thing gets going the Islamo-whatevers will be our allies because they’ll be helping us fight against the reborn soviet empire.

tlynch001 on December 3, 2007 at 5:03 PM

Since every awesome techno mil-gadget is eventually brought to the consumer market, I ask plaintively: Is there a “deep fried turkey” setting on this bad boy???

Mike D. on December 3, 2007 at 5:05 PM

sdd- “don’t laz me bro” made me laugh out loud.

If they really want to drive the jihadis crazy, they will name the weapon, “The Finger of Allah”

wordwarp on December 3, 2007 at 5:13 PM

Oh. My. (lack of) God.

That’s the coolest thing I’ve ever seen in my life.

Want home defense laser…

Enrique on December 3, 2007 at 5:14 PM

The way our congress works, they’ll hold the whole aircraft hostage giving out a wing at a time, maybe a wheel here and there. Why should that be any different from anything else they give the military…namely MONEY TO DO THEIR JOB.

oakpack on December 3, 2007 at 5:16 PM

But when am I going to get a Light Saber?

darkpixel on December 3, 2007 at 5:41 PM

Mitch: You know, um, something strange happened to me this morning…
Chris Knight: Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort of sun-god robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked women screaming and throwing little pickles at you?
Mitch: No…
Chris Knight: Why am I the only one who has that dream?

mojo on December 3, 2007 at 5:49 PM

Dude, this is totally ripping me off.

frankj on December 3, 2007 at 5:54 PM

The more embarrassing the better the “weapon” the better. How about a gun that blows your clothes off?

Agrippa2k on December 3, 2007 at 5:03 PM

The Nude Bomb?

Frozen Tex on December 3, 2007 at 6:11 PM

You now someone in the military is just dying to be the first to shout, “Fire phasers!” and have it actually happen.

.

GT on December 3, 2007 at 6:28 PM

I see this going REAL badly if we develop such technology. Its basically going to be seen as an act of war by anyone who already doesnt like us. The ability to set their leaders on fire from space whenever we want is not something countries are just going to accept.

muyoso on December 3, 2007 at 6:39 PM

The ability to set their leaders on fire from space whenever we want is not something countries are just going to accept.

Yeah, but what can they do about it? When we can do everything from turn a whole country into dust to make one guy’s head pop from orbit?

Frozen Tex on December 3, 2007 at 6:45 PM

SMITE. You da man FrankJ

TexasDan on December 3, 2007 at 6:55 PM

Three guys walking along chatting and then most of the middle guy just isnt there any more, except for a really bad smell….

dogsoldier on December 3, 2007 at 3:21 PM

“What happened to Mohammed?”
“He up and vanished like a fart in the wind”

LeeSmith on December 3, 2007 at 6:58 PM

Just. Damn.

If I were at Ace’s place, I’d say something like, “I’ll be in my bunk.”

steveegg on December 3, 2007 at 7:02 PM

If you want to use non-lethal weapons on jihadis, I suggest boiling hot bacon grease and pig fat.
As far as lightsabers go, you can have them; I’m holding out for a Wave Motion Gun.

Lancer on December 3, 2007 at 7:20 PM

That means you could have three guys standing around, and one of them suddenly burst into flames.

Well that’s what they get for messing with the great Satan “America” kind of poetic.

Mojack420 on December 3, 2007 at 7:29 PM

The problem with lasers is that they are easily defeated with a mirror, correct?

lorien1973 on December 3, 2007 at 3:24 PM

The reflected laser beam can be used to guide a 500LB Laser Guided Bomb onto his mirror protected ass.

Helloyawl on December 3, 2007 at 7:30 PM

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