Blue on blue: Sen. Webb says Congress won’t cut funding for the troops in Iraq Transcript added
posted at 11:20 am on December 3, 2007 by Bryan
This is from Meet the Press yesterday. Nutroots-approved Sen. Jim Webb doesn’t think the nutroots-approved idea of cutting funding for the troops in Iraq is a good one.
Pay attention to Webb’s wording on this. The specific idea of directly and openly cutting off funding earns Webb’s “not a winning formula” phrase. But what would be a “winning formula?” Well, the Democrats are playing with war funding in a different way than just cutting it off: They packed the last DoD war funding authorization with a withdrawal timetable that was veto bait for President Bush. He vetoed it, leaving DoD to scramble to pay for Iraq out of its ordinary spending budget.
So the Democrats are in fact cutting off war funding. They’re just disguising the cutoff to deflect criticism and, once again, blame Bush.
Update: Code snafu, fixed.
More: Here’s a partial transcript of Webb on MTP.
SEN. WEBB: Well, the problem with the administration’s approach to this is they constantly use fear tactics. They did the same thing when I offered this wartime amendment, where basically all I was saying was however long our military people have been in Iraq or Afghanistan, they deserve to have that much time at home before they go again. And the Pentagon, the administration, started saying this was going to cause Americans to die and etc., etc., etc. President Bush has said that…
MR. RUSSERT: Call up more Guard.
SEN. WEBB: Or you can, you can develop a rotational policy after, after five years of doing this that’s going to ensure people the same amount of time at home before they go. If President Bush had said to do it, they’d have been saluting and doing it. And this is the same sort of thing. There’s, there’s no one in the Congress that is going to interrupt funding that goes to the ability of the military to take care of the present responsibilities.
The difficulty that, that we have here, it’s sort of the elephant in the bedroom for this entire time period, has been how long are we going to be in Iraq? What are we funding implicitly as opposed to explicitly? And we don’t get to have this debate, and so the, the lever that the Congress has, the one pure, clear, constitutional lever, is the appropriations lever, and so the question becomes what is it we’re funding? If you’re, if you’re—if you want bases in Iraq for the next 50 years, which is what the Republican leadership now is finally openly saying—Mitch McConnell said it on the Senate floor several weeks ago, “This, this should look like Korea 50 years from now”—then you’re going to have one sort of approach, which you ought to be open about it. So we’re voting for these things, where in there you have money that’s directed toward ongoing operations, but you have all these other sorts of things as well, and so, you know, the question becomes how you draw the line. But the one thing for sure is nobody’s going to cut off funding for the, the things that are necessary for our people to be able to do their job on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan.
MR. RUSSERT: But many Democrats have said, “We want to stop the funding for the war, period.”
SEN. WEBB: And I think that’s just not a winning formula.
It’s the “winning formula” phrase that’s salient. By “winning,” Webb isn’t referring to Iraq but to the politics of withdrawal and benefiting Democrats.










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Last election cycle’s overused term: gravitas
This election cycle’s overused term: too (interject adjective here) by half.
Matticus Finch on December 3, 2007 at 11:26 AM
That’s the clinton clip…
sunny on December 3, 2007 at 11:29 AM
Ah well the nutroots have been disappointed alot lately.
And for them I offer Murtha on Video saying the Surge is working
Its never been about the war its been about electing democrats to power. The democrats had no problem with Clinton bombing Iraq, Sudan, Afganistan and Serbia
William Amos on December 3, 2007 at 11:30 AM
Of course, cutting the funds off for the troops is a “bad idea.” No politician is going to sit there and openly state the Democrat position that the troops need to be punished because they are doing a good enough job that it makes the Democrat Party look bad since they have bet on defeat since 2003!
What is going to happen here is that the Democrat party will make lots of noise but do nothing except run out the clock with this administration. After the first of the year the “rats” will appease their supporters by refusing to pass a supplemental and play a quick game of chicken where the DOD shuts down operations to fund the war the Democrats refuse to fund- but that won’t last long considering this is an election year. In the end the “rats” will pass continuing resolution after continuing resolution so that they never have to submit a budget funding the war but never being put in the position of defunding the war either.
highhopes on December 3, 2007 at 11:31 AM
Doesn’t Webb have a son in the Army? Won’t he be affected by cuts? Or is is son out now?
Frozen Tex on December 3, 2007 at 11:32 AM
Wrong clip, Bryan.
amerpundit on December 3, 2007 at 11:39 AM
I believe the son’s out, but I doubt Webb would have voted one way or another based on that. If you watch the whole interview, though, I don’t know how often Tim Russert gives his legislative guests as much uninterrupted latitude as he did to Webb. Pretty deferential for not a lot new.
Vizzini on December 3, 2007 at 11:41 AM
Politically, I think the Dems would do well to consider Webb as a VP candidate.
Spirit of 1776 on December 3, 2007 at 11:42 AM
Peter Beinart has a column today pointing out how Iraq is the biggest non-issue of this campaign……
jp on December 3, 2007 at 11:43 AM
the la times says immigration is a non issue, but Iraq is. hmmmm
dogsoldier on December 3, 2007 at 11:48 AM
So, let me do a little bit of simple math here: time at home = time over there, so troops over there + troops at home = 2X troops over there. That would mean that we’d have to have end strength at least twice as large as is needed to fulfil our current wartime needs. Senator Webb, are you willing to sponsor legislation increasing end strength to those numbers?
James on December 3, 2007 at 12:32 PM
I go back in January.
spec_ops_mateo on December 3, 2007 at 12:59 PM
By “winning,” Webb isn’t referring to Iraq but to the politics of withdrawal and benefiting Democrats.
And he isn’t referring to American troops being the winners either, is he?!
It’s pretty simple: if you want America to win, you don’t vote for people whose election strategy depends on the other guys winning!
It’s bad enough we aren’t allowed to shoot these traitors, but we sure as hell should never vote for them!
drunyan8315 on December 3, 2007 at 1:00 PM
That’s precisely the Democrat reason for pushing for a draft. The “rats” know that a draft isn’t going to occur for a variety of reasons not the least of which is the expense, public opinion, and the full-throttled objections from the professional military leadership. By pushing such ideas which, on the surface seem benign, Congress is essentially seeking to stage a coup where CINC powers become the responsiblity of Congress.
Webb is as big a coward as the rest of his party members. They are unwilling to come off the defeatist bandwagon but they are also unwilling to see these operations through to the point where the stated goals can be met. In short, they are willing to sacrifice strategic long-term interests for short-term political gain. Jim Webb, Jack Murtha, and the rest of these people disgust me to no end. They should all be brought up on treason charges for the way they use the military as pawns in their quest for poltical power and contributions from their special interest groups.
highhopes on December 3, 2007 at 2:33 PM
Bryan,
I think you missed one of the most remarkable admissions of the interview:
So..the entire “Iraq is on the brink of a civil war” and the “botched” administration policy in Iraq, Rethuglicans-have-ruined-America-forever campaign that the Dems ran last year was actually a lie?
Things were actually getting better when Pelosi and co. were saying they were hopelessly lost?
billy on December 3, 2007 at 3:53 PM
Past tense??? The “rats” are still stuck on quagmire-
Democrats are increasingly bailing on their previously held view that the troop surge in Iraq has been a “failure,” but Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid isn’t ready to jump on the bandwagon with other Democrats who say the surge has worked.
The Senate re-opened for business on Monday after a two-week Thanksgiving break, during which key Democrats traveled to Iraq and declared that the surge is working, at least from a security and military perspective. Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.), one the top war critics, stunned fellow Democrats late last week with his statement that “the surge is working,” even though he added that political reconciliation has been lagging. Murtha’s view was backed by Rep. Norm Dicks (D-Wash.), who also said the surge worked after he returned from Iraq.
But Reid, in a Monday press conference, ceded no ground.
“The surge hasn’t accomplished its goals,” Reid said. “… We’re involved, still, in an intractable civil war.”
http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/1207/Reid_pushes_back_on_Iraq_optimism.html
highhopes on December 3, 2007 at 4:07 PM