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Merovign on December 3, 2007 at 4:26 PM

I think Glock 18’s were designed for suppresive fire for security /body guards. Kind of like the UZI that magically appeared after Reagan got Shot.

mojojojo on December 3, 2007 at 12:15 PM

Thanks I love gunnut folk. Always have informative answers.

1) With the small amounts of 9mm ammo in question, and the short barrel, heating’s not a “damage” issue, and at the short ranges we’re talking about, not much of an accuracy issue. Generally, the more powerful the ammo and the longer the barrel, the more of an issue heat is. The Glock 18 uses 9mm (low-power) ammo and has a short barrel.

2) The Durability of the Gun: I once fired a very accurate Glock and Para Ordnance 45 that had each had over 100,000 rounds though them. Original barrels (very popular range rentals). Neither of them had “worn out” barrels.

3) There was an “accuracy test” on a Sig P220 that involved 10,000 rounds of rapid-fire… in one day. The accuracy SLIGHTLY degraded, but was fully restored after a thorough cleaning.

4)It’s called rifling, not “scoring,” and compared to their real-world wear rate, the amount of wear we’re seeing here is trivial. Generally if the rifling is worn, either you’ve used a lot of corrosive ammunition and never cleaned it, it’s a GIGANTOR caliber like 700 Nitro Express, it’s terrible metal, or it’s a contemporary of Billy the Kid.

5) Triggers are a matter of taste. My Glock’s trigger is just fine from the factory, but could be improved with aftermarket parts if I so desired.

6) Glock 18’s are surprisingly accurate for what they are – moreso than the sexier burst-fire Beretta 93R. It’s because the inherent recoil reduction of the Glock’s design makes it easier to hold it on target. That being said, the pattern of hits will be more like birdshot than anything else, but unless you’re not trying you can keep them all on a man-sized target at intermediate ranges. And in real-life, you’d probably be firing bursts, rather than just holding down the trigger.

I’m gonna stop at 6.

Gimme a Remington 870 Marine magnum; only 6 rounds, but 12 gauge doesn’t miss much. Good for at just about everything (small game, birds, skeet–my favorite, or home protection.

Drtuddle on December 3, 2007 at 9:37 AM
If it’s fully auto after the slide returns you release the trigger an pull again it does nothing right?

No, if it’s fully auto, the hammer will fall on it’s own when the slide returns to battery for as long as the trigger held down. On most FA designs, there is a second sear (known as an “auto sear” that is activated when the slide returns to battery. The auto sear automatically releases the hammer each time the slide returns to battery for as long as the trigger is held down.

If it’s semi, then the hammer will not fall when it returns to battery. You have to release the trigger and then pull it again. Releasing the trigger resets the disconnecter and re-engages the trigger’s connection to the sear.

Some morons try to convert a semi-auto to full-auto by tinkering with the disconnecter (the part that makes you have to reset the trigger between shots on a SA). This never works well (if at all), is unreliable, and can be very dangerous because it may cause the firearm to cycle uncontrollably until the magazine is emptied! It’s highly illegal as well.

I don’t know of any youtube video on this, but I haven’t looked. It is simply knowledge of the mechanics of SA vs FA firearms.

Selector switch depends on the firearm. Some FA firearms do not have a SA mode–mostly open-bolt designs like the Sten, Thompson and M2 “grease gun”, as well as most crew served weapons like the M1919, M2 BMG, or German MG42. In this case, the safety will only indicate “fire” and “safe.”

Modern weapons with both semi-auto and full-auto capability, such as the M16, Kalashnikov, MP5, etc. have a 3-position safety indicating “safe,” “semi” or “auto”. Later versions of the M16, as well as some versions of the MP5 do not have a full-auto mode, only a 3-round burst.

Reproduction of a .30 cal Browning in .17 HMR. You could fit it in the palm of your hand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QknA6h8sWs

mojojojo on December 3, 2007 at 4:44 AM

Perfect explanation.

In a semi-auto firearm, the hammer will not fall when the slide returns to battery, instead the trigger must be reset and then pulled again to drop the hammer.

mojojojo on December 3, 2007 at 4:44 AM

It’s FA when the trigger being depressed after dry fire and after you rack the slide returns to the battery and the hammer falls and if it is semi-auto you have to release the trigger then pull it again to fire after slide returns to battery? If it’s fully auto after the slide returns you release the trigger an pull again it does nothing right? You know of any youtube video that shows this function test?

Now firearms manufactured legally FA will have slelector switches correct?

Also, a clip larger than the weapon, how you gonna hide it-unless you can get TSA to believe it is a role of film for your Panaflex.

Do you know a dry fire way to test a firearm to see if it is FA?

Drtuddle on December 2, 2007 at 11:07 PM

Yes.

With the weapon unloaded and pointed in a safe direction, pull the trigger on an empty chamber, keeping the trigger depressed. Then rack the slide. If the striker/hammer falls again when the slide returns to battery, it is either full auto or has a badly defective disconnecter.

In a semi-auto firearm, the hammer will not fall when the slide returns to battery, instead the trigger must be reset and then pulled again to drop the hammer.

- The Cat

P.S. Now every sing fish heads

“Machineguns are perfectly legal for private citizens to own in most US states, so long as they were made before 1986. This particular one is a post-86 machinegun, and is only available to Class II manufacturers (which I believe DangerousBob is), Class III dealers, police, and military. His possessing and shooting this switch is perfectly legal. I shot one just like it the other day, as I was at the range with my local manufacturer and dealer, and they had one. Very fun.”

Then I checked the website listed at the end of the vid and found a good pic:

http://www.armamentsales.com

https://armamentsales.sslpowered.com/photos/displayimage.php?album=25&pos=0

This looks like a glock 17 converted to full auto. You can see the silver fire control unit on the back of the gun.

soundingboard on December 2, 2007 at 11:53 PM

If this Glock was designed for full auto then it has a lock lever that is pulled out of the way so it can go full auto and then the slide is caught if the trigger is released, without it once you pull the trigger it doesn’t stop firing until the magazine is empty.

ericire12 on December 2, 2007 at 9:07 PM

Ah, by the looks of the full video, this was a test of the glock’s ability to handle the heat. I couldn’t tell who was doing the testing, but it appears to be someone who doesn’t care if the gun is destroyed in the process, so probably law enforcement, glock themselves, or some other organization with access to a lot more where that one came from.

It also mentions that it was indeed a glock 18, which as said above is designed as a full auto, so this isn’t modified.

Cool as that is, I’ve never fired a glock I liked. The triggers are terrible. I’ll stick with my Walther p99.

Fir(ing) doesn’t melt steel.

Does this Glock stop firing if you let off the trigger mid magazine…?

Speakup on December 2, 2007 at 9:16 PM

???

If it, (or any firearm) doesn’t stop when the trigger is released…then there is a major design flaw.

It’s a trigger, not a fuse.

Sorry for the nit-pick.

mojojojo

Do you know a dry fire way to test a firearm to see if it is FA?

I’ve seen Future Soldier articles a plenty but it’s fascinating to see these things in motion. Makes the sci-fi writer in me start itching to research these things then let my mind go wild.