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UnOfficial: Chavez loses referendum vote

posted at 11:14 pm on December 2, 2007 by Bryan
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According to the Venezuela Press (as translated by Google):

A page VenezuelaPress.com we have reached the following results:

NO: 6.534.648 NO: 6,534,648

SI: 5.864.560 SI: 5,864,560

Dif: 670.088 (5,4%) Diff: 670,088 (5.4%)

Estos números son con el 89% de las actas escrutadas, así que podrían cambiar. These numbers are with the 89% of minutes escrutadas, so it could change. Nuestra fuente indica que estos números vienen directo de la sala de totalización del CNE. Our source said that these numbers come directly from the room aggregation of the CNE.

Caracas Chronicles has been reporting for the past half hour that the referendum went down to defeat. But I’ll stress that this is an unofficial result.

Update: Still no official word on the result. But Reuters, which was basing its early reports of a Chavez victory on the word of government officials (meaning: Chavistas) is now playing a more neutral line that “Venezuela is locked in a tight vote.”

Update: I’m monitoring the comments in this post at Caracas Chronicles. It seems to be the only place with any kind of real time updates. Where are the 24-hour cables news nets on this story?

Update: There’s a video stream here. Whatever is going on doesn’t look good.

Update: Results are being announced. So far, the NO side is winning each question on the ballot.

Update: NO has won. Chavez has lost.

Update: Roughly, NO won 51% to 49%. Hugo Chavez is on Venezuelan TV doing something he hasn’t had to do before — deliver a concession speech. I’m watching on the link above. My Spanish is terrible, but it’s obvious from the look of the man that he’s unhappy with the result. Any Spanish speakers in the house tonight, feel free to translate Chavez’s speech in comments.

Update (AP): An encouraging result but does it matter? The EU constitution was rejected in referendums by European voters and that hasn’t killed the EU dream/nightmare. When tyrants want power, they keep pushing until they get it. Although this will, at least, delegitimize whatever Chavez has planned next.

Update: To answer AP, a NO vote is certainly better than a SI vote, and that Chavez is actually conceding is…surprising. For a while there, the video that was coming out of Caracas made it look like a coup might be underway or that Chavez might be considering declaring martial law and nulling the vote. And he may have considered that for all we know. If he did and was talked out of it, or he didn’t and decided to respect the vote (for now, anyway), either is a healthy sign, however short lived it might turn out to be.

This vote is different from the EU votes in one respect, its directness. Whether this means anything depends to a great extent on Chavez and whether he finds a way around the vote. It also depends on what the Venezuelan people do. They have handed him a serious defeat in front of the whole world. But he has until 2013 to undo this election and get himself made president for life. He lost tonight, but I doubt that he’s finished. Can he recover? Hopefully, the answer to that question will be the same as the one that a majority of Venezuelans delivered this time: NO.


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Note how Christian leaders responded to a threat of Totalitarian rule:

Foes of the reform effort – including Roman Catholic leaders, media freedom groups, human rights groups and prominent business leaders – said it would have granted Chavez unchecked power and imperiled basic rights.

Compare and contrast to how Mullahs would have behaved under similar circumstances. This is not a matter of speculation, but of the historical record.

Buy Danish on December 3, 2007 at 10:18 AM

There will be hanging chads in venezuela this week and hanging, Juans, Ernestos and Marias, also.

peacenprosperity on December 3, 2007 at 10:31 AM

Ol Hugo overestimated his popularity, he won’t make that mistake again.

He is probably planning his trip to Russia now to attend Putey-Poots school on fixing elections.

conservnut on December 3, 2007 at 10:43 AM

What a great day for Venezuela! 51% of Venezuelans rejected Chavez’s bid for lifetime-rule, in spite of his considerable enticements. Chavez will try again, of course, before his term expires in 2012(yr?). His concession, and the closeness of the vote, only makes it easier for him to manipulate the results the next time he tries. Get ready to hear a few months of bluster from Chavez about the superiority of Venezuelan democracy, too, hot off the state controlled-presses.

RightOFLeft on December 3, 2007 at 10:51 AM

I was able to watch this last night on Globovision, which is the only remaining independent broadcaster in Venezuela. The body language of the announcers was interesting. No broadcaster (including international ones) were allowed to broadcast exit polls until after the first official bulletin was announced from the Electoral Commission. This expalains the absence of information from CNN/BBC etc. The problem was that the first bulletin was also the only one, and it came at about 12:10 (1:10 Venezuelan time).

So the announcers had to fill in time. The thing was that at one point they were upbeat but, as time passed, they became more subdued. It really looked as though they thought that the “yes” side had passed. Then, around 11:00 or so, their attitude changed. This was after the Venezuelan VP reported that the election was close. A guy from the “No” side came out and told everyone to relax.

At that point, it seemed that things might be okay…it took another two hours, though, to confirm it.

Blaise on December 3, 2007 at 10:55 AM

There are good reasons to think positive change will come in Venezuela. Hugo Chavez has been defeated in referendum. He may get a few points for honesty, but the defeat will mean he is vulnerable. (If Chavez had tried to cheat and claim that the referendum had just barely passed, Chavez would have been in even deeper trouble as he admitted himself–”a pyrric victory”.) And there is the tendency of regimes to become more unpopular with age. Anyone think George W could win in 2008, if he were allowed to run? Let’s rejoice.

thuja on December 3, 2007 at 11:26 AM

Next time around he’ll make sure all of the ballot boxes are stuffed beforehand.

I’ll write this one off as a rookie fascist dictator mistake.

fogw on December 3, 2007 at 12:46 PM

fogw, that’s a good capsule summary.
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Hugo hasn’t quite gotten the “Ein Reich, Ein Volk, Ein Fuhrer” schtick down pat yet. Maybe some more mentoring from Fidel, and maybe a spiritualist channeling to Adolf for some constructive critique, would be helpful.
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An atta-boy from Jimmy Carter is probably forthcoming, commending Hugo’s deep attachment to democracy and free elections.

DavePa on December 3, 2007 at 5:41 PM

I’ll write this one off as a rookie fascist dictator mistake.

fogw on December 3, 2007 at 12:46 PM

Heh. Putz.

Jaibones on December 3, 2007 at 8:09 PM

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