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Then you don’t trust the integrity of the commanders on the ground? A statement like that is kind of like what the left likes to portray the military as; a bunch of children incapable of knowing what is good for them.

Bradky on December 3, 2007 at 6:35 PM

Strawman.

Apparently, you are having a hard time processing and comprehending my point. There is a PR decision to be made that goes beyond Beauchamp’s commanders — how to minimize and contain yet another negative story regarding our military and, more widely, the War in Iraq.

If Beauchamp’s commanders were to do anything to him, discipline-wise, the media would have a field day with ‘how the military is punishing one of its own for spreading the truth about what’s going on in Iraq…’

If you believe there’s zero consideration taken into account with this situation, regarding Public Relations, then you aren’t paying attention to realpolitik.

And this is just the way things are today in a 24/7/365 global multimedia, multi-sourced environment.

eanax on December 3, 2007 at 11:04 AM

Then you don’t trust the integrity of the commanders on the ground? A statement like that is kind of like what the left likes to portray the military as; a bunch of children incapable of knowing what is good for them.

Howard Kurtz? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/03/AR2007120300457.html

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Move along folks, nothing to see here… nope, nothing….

You are speculating. His commanders are responsible for the lives of their troops – letting Beauchamp stay in his unit says volumes about their assessment for his fitness for duty.

If he were reassigned to the motor pool and left waxing staff cars for the remainder of his enlistment I could see you having a point. But if they trust him in a combat unit I am inclined to go with that the commanders on the ground know better than the rest of us.

Bradky on December 2, 2007 at 5:03 PM

No, it’s an analysis of the situation. No one is questioning Beauchamp’s physical or psychological ability to perform the duties for which he was trained.

The point I am making is if Beauchamp had been removed for the TNR issue, the negative PR campaign would have begun in earnest and that’s something the military wants to avoid. The best thing to do is stay low and let the entire thing blow over.

The military, like many organizations, is not immune from wanting to maintain good PR. And this is just the way things are today in a 24/7/365 global multimedia, multi-sourced environment.

eanax on December 2, 2007 at 11:25 AM

You are speculating. His commanders are responsible for the lives of their troops – letting Beauchamp stay in his unit says volumes about their assessment for his fitness for duty.

If he were reassigned to the motor pool and left waxing staff cars for the remainder of his enlistment I could see you having a point. But if they trust him in a combat unit I am inclined to go with that the commanders on the ground know better than the rest of us.

…along the lines of…
“Angry right-wing bloggers continued their over-the-top attacks on respected editor Franklin Foer and “The New Republic”, and poor young confused American soldier.“

The military wouldn’t have coerced him not to speak about the information he’d already released, as a matter of fact, they would have applied pressure for him to clear the air on the matter!

The problem here is that because TNR has a spin that they have to put forward here. They assume that because they’re so willing to spin the truth, accept stories that are patently false, but fulfill their political aims and refuse to check on their facts, that everyone else – particularly the Army, is willing to do so, as well!

FM 3-61.1 – Public Affairs – The army’s own manual on reporting, as well as DOD directives clearly state that public affairs is not allowed to withhold or classify information simply to protect the government from criticism or embarrassment.

But, I guess, as soldiers, they (TNR) feel we have some special conspiracy to commit all sorts of atrocities and that once we put on the uniform, we cease being human beings at all – except, of course, those in uniform who tell them what they wish to hear…

no matter how atrocious or improbable the events…

TNR may as well be the old Soviet Union’s PRAVDA. Anti-America and anti-truth in every way, shape, and form.

Despicable journalism at its best, trying in vain to shape the conscience of America with nefarious fabrications and covering it up with red herrings when the cat’s out of the bag.

The only acceptable outcome of TNR’s emulation of the Master of Deception and Falsehood is closing up shop. They can never ever be trusted, not one iota, again. Anyone whom thinks otherwise after this is just part and parcel of the grand deceptions and lies at every turn regarding America and the neverending resolute attempts at undermining her very soul.

The important thing is we admitted it

Our common decency is intact

We have proven ourselves once again

I love me

His commanders [Beauchamp’s] allowed him to continue to serve. They must see some redeeming qualities and are willing to take a chance with him. Ditto his fellow soldiers.

Bradky on December 2, 2007 at 11:01 AM

Maybe, maybe not.

Consider the media firestorm that would have erupted if Beauchamp was discharged so quickly following this incident. Regardless of the facts surrounding this entire mess, the MSM would have made tons of political hay over any perceived “hasty” reaction by Beauchamp’s commanders.

Beachamp can get a job after the service in a blue-state used bookstore, checking in books from customers who complain how little they pay for books and how much they sell them.
silverfox on December 2, 2007 at 9:46 AM

Nice… good to see such unqualified support for the troops who complete their service honorably.
Must be nice to be as perfect as you.

His commanders allowed him to continue to serve. They must see some redeeming qualities and are willing to take a chance with him. Ditto his fellow soldiers.

The entire liberalshpere, from the liberal teen to the most powerful Senator Liberal, they all hate being questioned…see: CNN and Wolf Blitzer

They’re always right.

As the criticism mounts, Foer says he sees an ideological agenda.

“A lot of the questions raised by the conservative blogosphere boil down to, would American soldiers be capable of doing things like the things described in the diarist. The practical jokes are exceptionally mild compared to things that have been documented by the U.S. military. Conservative bloggers make a bit of a living denying any bad news that emanates from Iraq.”

US War Vets to Speak Publicly About War Crimes

Maybe they will call Scott Beauchamp and Jesse MacBeth both to “tesitfy.”