I like Dobbs. He and Glen Beck are the only two good ones at CNN.

ThackerAgency on November 29, 2007 at 12:15 PM

But but but, Glen Beck supports police.

Annnyway, what’s with all this going to the back of the line stuff. If they are already here and not going anywhere . . they’re cutting in line, eating the food, but not yet paying the lunch lady.

- The Cat

The standard of living in the USA keeps going up, even with the influx of poor immigrants, illegal or not.

The standard of living might be going up, for many, but the quality of life isn’t. And the future sure doesn’t look so bright, if significant measures are not taken, and the brakes aren’t put on the socialist crowds, waiting impatiently to alter your competitive freedom.

The standard of living in the USA keeps going up, even with the influx of poor immigrants, illegal or not.

Yeah, more people have iPods, X boxes, airconditioners and Abercrombie & Finch sweatshirts but it takes Mom & Dad working fulltime to buy it all, leaving the kids at home to be raised by MTV.
Unbridled business, now there is a mechanism to get us to Utopia. I get a kick out of “unfettered markets” and all that provides us. Living with AOLTimeWarnerStarbucks, Inc. has made things so much better. Five hundred stations but nothing worth watching,great! I like to amuse myself by thinking of all those Chinese (or any other country for that matter) apparatchiks chortling internally while some silly American twit prattles on about Free Trade & Open Markets. What stories they must tell amongst themselves!
Bill Gates, Jack Welsh, Michael Eisner et al must be great champions of free and open competition, right?
Never mind that we have an underclass of young blacks & hispanics that busy themselves with all kinds of “mischief” because there aren’t any jobs for them. We’ll have “full employment” when all those kids are fully employed Or don’t they count in your calculations, BigS?
The real reason illegal immigration is countenanced (by both parties) is to keep wages down. A carpenter or a plumber’s wage is relative & proportional to
the illegal washing the dishes in the restaurant. Bill Gates would rather hire H-1B programmers than keep the 49 year old American computer programmer who earns way too much. He’d much rather outsource everything but the fact is that he’s paranoid when it comes to his code.
Got a laugh out of reading a story about big entertainment/movie companies beginning to outsource some aspects of their legal work to Indian companies set up by one of our Bright Young Things. Man, you know things are challenging when they’re going after the lawyers!
I’m not a communist and I’m not against business, I’m just against a rigged game and impatient with pie-eyed absolutists.
Do you know what you get when you let MTV mind your kids?

I’ve said all I can possibly say on this issue, and will need to be off to work here in a bit, so goodbye for now everybody

Big S on November 29, 2007 at 1:54 PM

Appreciated your logical arguments. Agree with some of what you said, esp regarding criticism of Dobbs’ protectionsist policies and general misunderstanding of the workings of the global economy. Get tired of the one-trick brown-skinned people and Muslims are evil get rid of them/bomb them arguments found here. You know who you are.

Logic 101:

Seal the borders and THEN deal with the illegals here already.

It just can’t be any other way.

awake on November 29, 2007 at 1:39 PM

Correctamundo.

Have you ever visited http://www.vdare.com ? Extensive coverage of the immigration there.

Buck

“So I feel the pressure”

Exactly, and Lou is trying to alleviate some of that pressure.

I live in Maryland and I can tell you that imported lower-income diversity isn’t as pleasant as your experience might be. Recently a radio station in the DC area went Spanish programming and the Latino’s at work said, “Ha, we’re taking over.” You can’t get a job in my hometown unless you speak Spanish. The federal government has “preferred monority hiring. Imagine that Big S, you are an UNPREFERRED white guy now thanks to the massive influx.

In fact, I’m the only white person, other than the supervisor, in my research division.

You are lucky. Try quiting then applying for your job back. There is a bias against “white” science people. Asians are stereotyped smarter and cheaper to hire. Supervisors might not get past your name on the resume once they realize that it sounds white.

I recognize that it is good to keep this specific industry in the country

Lou Dobbs could not have said this any better.

Considering what I’ve mentioned here, do you still stand my your first post?

Buck

I agree with that. However, my initial point was that somebody like Dobbs who demagogues the influx of immigrants (illegal or not)

Big S on November 29, 2007 at 1:32 PM

Sounds to me like you are the one doing the demagogueing.

Would you agree to having legal work visas, along with a secure border and illegal immigration halted? Or do they have to be illegal and undocumented to keep us competitive?

Keli on November 29, 2007 at 1:35 PM

Earlier in this thread, I said I prefer allowing in in a legal manner however many immigrants we need in order to meet our economic demands, and that I would be comfortable with changes in laws and some form of amnesty in order to do it. After all, the illegals who have made it here have shown themselves to be sufficiently resourceful to compete in our economy already. Whoever comes up with the quotas for work visa issuances, has vastly miscalculated the labor requirements of the US economy, and that needs to be fixed. In the long run, improved control, including border security and employer verification will be needed.

Actually, I live in New York City, live in a majority Black/Hispanic neighborhood, and work in a science laboratory with a lot of Asians, both born here in the USA and abroad. In fact, I’m the only white person, other than the supervisor, in my research division. There’s a lot of competition in my field from those who would like to come to the USA and take jobs like mine, so I feel the pressure. However, I recognize that it is good to keep this specific industry in the country, and have felt that my colleagues are eager to assimilate into American culture once they get here.

Seal the borders and THEN deal with the illegals here already.

It just can’t be any other way.

You are more wrong than a American Flag made in China…just sayin’.

Big S on November 29, 2007 at 12:39 PM

So all you care about is how it effects the economy? you don’t have any problem with the fact that 6 years after 9/11 our border is still wide open? So i guess innocent American lives lost are worth it in you book, just so long as we stay competitive.

Would you agree to having legal work visas, along with a secure border and illegal immigration halted? Or do they have to be illegal and undocumented to keep us competitive?

That’s a perfectly logical position to hold, even though I disagree. However, Lou Dobbs, the subject of this thread, rails against both of them.

Lou is, and has been for several decades, married to a Latino woman. What’s your social circle look like? I bet it’s white as typing paper.

Where’s your predominately white neighborhood that doesn’t directly see the effects of the policies you promote?

What’s your full time job and would you be ok with 1-million workers of that same profession coming over here legally or illegally?

Why is China’s economy chugging along at 9% while ours is lagging at 3%? Answer: they practice the same policies that Lou Dobbs suggests. Sorry it’s offensive to you, but nationalism helps to preserve, well, nations – ie, the place you call home – and causes trade surpluses. Blind free-trade produces deficits like we have now.

Starting off a comment as you did, using the words you did, takes away your credibility. I hope you understand this.

Buck

It’s not so cut-and-dry either way.

RW Wacko on November 29, 2007 at 1:23 PM

I agree with that. However, my initial point was that somebody like Dobbs who demagogues the influx of immigrants (illegal or not) and is dead set against amnesty as well as the outsourcing of jobs to other countries, does not understand the fundamentals of labor prices.

There is a ceiling in wages for many such jobs, defined by the cost in shipping the goods from China to here.

Big S on November 29, 2007 at 1:26 PM

Only so long as our government has pro serf master plantation owners, anti-American, no reciprocity trade policies with China.