Video: War erupts between Rudy and Mitt over immigration

posted at 10:53 pm on November 28, 2007 by Allahpundit

We wanted bloodsport and we got it. They both did badly tonight, Mitt too often coming off as evasive and Rudy as defensive, but Romney wins this one both on the merits and because sanctuary cities are a trifle more troublesome to voters than the green-card status of Mitt’s gardener, however juicy that may be as evidence of hypocrisy.

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Make a border WALL, not war!

SouthernGent on November 28, 2007 at 10:57 PM

Dammit…the last thing I wanted was Nanny Huck to move up…DAMMIT!

Bad Candy on November 28, 2007 at 10:59 PM

Townhall is crazy: Fred Thompson…he was even, “Reaganesque.”
Give me a break, Matt Lewis.

Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 11:01 PM

If Mitt’s campaign can get a video or an audio of it, they should play on TV a recording where Rudycapo said, “If you are an undocumented worker, if you are an illegal immigrant, we want you here.”

Over and over and over again.

MB4 on November 28, 2007 at 11:03 PM

Uh-oh…CNN says they didn’t know the gay question general was on a Mrs. Clinton steering committee. They would have disclosed that, they said. Hmmmmmm.

But really, that’s a question they need to ask the Democrats! Most of America is opposed to gay in the military (although I’m not sure why…we love our contry, too!), so the democrats would be on the opposite side of America…as usual…which is probably why they never get asked such questions.

SouthernGent on November 28, 2007 at 11:03 PM

Uh-oh…CNN says they didn’t know the gay question general was on a Mrs. Clinton steering committee. They would have disclosed that, they said. Hmmmmmm.

I had turned off, I missed that. Did Bennett actually say on live TV on CNN that he was a plan or he was a HC staffer or something like that? I hope so, that would be awesome.

Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 11:05 PM

Plus, it’s not the governor’s job to know who is and who is not an illegal alien. His job is to make sure his state is doing what it can to not allow illegal aliens.

Esthier on November 28, 2007 at 11:09 PM

Most of America is opposed to gay in the military (although I’m not sure why…we love our contry, too!)

SouthernGent on November 28, 2007 at 11:03 PM

Did you not watch the Onion piece?

Esthier on November 28, 2007 at 11:10 PM

“As we all know New York City was not a sanctuary
city…”

That took uh, twelve seconds. Somebody is lying to me, and when I find out who it is,. . . .

rockhauler on November 28, 2007 at 11:11 PM

I had turned off, I missed that. Did Bennett actually say on live TV on CNN that he was a plan or he was a HC staffer or something like that? I hope so, that would be awesome.

Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 11:05 PM

No, Mr. Cooper “announced” it after the last commercial break.

SouthernGent on November 28, 2007 at 11:14 PM

No, Mr. Cooper “announced” it after the last commercial break.

Ah, thanks man.

Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 11:16 PM

Fred-Huck 2008?

Ropera on November 28, 2007 at 11:16 PM

I think Mitt came out way ahead in this clip, Rudy made himself look as though he couldn’t let go of a nit picky point and then address the issue head on.

Speakup on November 28, 2007 at 11:16 PM

Funny watching them trying to “out-Tancredo Tancredo”, though. They both lied and CNN “fact-checked” them afterwards and managed to emphasize that they both lied.

Hmmm…I wonder if CNN “fact-checks” the Dem debates?? I wouldn’t know since I don’t bother to watch them…

Redhead Infidel on November 28, 2007 at 11:17 PM

Hmmm. I like Mitt, but I think I have to agree with Rudy (having lived in NYC). The magnitude and scope of NYC’s illegal immigrant problem, the results of two previous mayors, was major.

We often hear politicians recommend “buying American”, while they drive BMWs and Benzs. It seems that of all of the people who may employ a “company” to do work, a Governor might ASK a company to assign legals to do the work – unless he/she is totally ignorant of the issue, or doesn’t care.

Are the guys who cut my grass “legal” – who knows. I drive a Japanese car. But if I was Governor I would check the illegals, and get a Cadillac.

For New York Rudy made some very hard decisions, when other cities and states barely recognized the issue.

Educating “illegals” to get them off the street was a priority (the very concept of 70,000 illegal kids is beyond most politicians) due to the impact of truancy on crime, and drugs.

Does that make New York a sanctuary? Suing for the status was about the money – for NYC. His job. The alternative was to get no money, and still have to fight crime, drugs, and an illegals problem.

Rudy had to prioritize (a talent severely lacking in most politicians). Get the drug dealers off the streets, or enforce Federal policy that allowed illegals to enter the US, and cross 2000 miles, half a dozen states, and a dozen cities before they got to New York.

New York does not border Mexico you know. At this point the “sanctuary city” canard is bogus. Border states need to shoulder MOST of the responsibility and should be funded to do so.

Agrippa2k on November 28, 2007 at 11:25 PM

I had turned off, I missed that. Did Bennett actually say on live TV on CNN that he was a plan or he was a HC staffer or something like that? I hope so, that would be awesome.

Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 11:05 PM

No, Mr. Cooper “announced” it after the last commercial break.

SouthernGent on November 28, 2007 at 11:14 PM

Bennett announced it first – I think he said he had gotten a lot of emails saying that the general was on Hillary’s steering committee. Anderson came back later all embarrassed.

Right?

Buy Danish on November 28, 2007 at 11:28 PM

I think Mitt came out way ahead in this clip, Rudy made himself look as though he couldn’t let go of a nit picky point and then address the issue head on.

Speakup on November 28, 2007 at 11:16 PM

Agreed. It’s too bad Romney didn’t keep up that skill level all night. I happen to like Rudy too, but it was ill advised to do that.

I also think it was cheap of Rudy to talk about Mitt’s “mansion”. That’s how class-envious Dems talk.

Buy Danish on November 28, 2007 at 11:30 PM

Hmmm…I wonder if CNN “fact-checks” the Dem debates?? I wouldn’t know since I don’t bother to watch them…

Redhead Infidel on November 28, 2007 at 11:17 PM

I don’t think you need to fact check soft ball questions like they throw the Dems.

abinitioadinfinitum on November 28, 2007 at 11:33 PM

The past is prolog.

Build the damned wall.

Enforce the damned laws.

Secure the damned future.

profitsbeard on November 28, 2007 at 11:34 PM

Honestly, Rudy looks a lot worse than Romney here, mostly because he looks defensive and petty. Romney handled the “mansion” thing handily (assuming that he wasn’t lying when he said that it wasn’t his employee, but an employee of a company whose services he employed).

Either way, they both lose, which is fine by me. They’re both phony conservatives.

Mark Jaquith on November 28, 2007 at 11:44 PM

profitsbeard on November 28, 2007 at 11:34 PM

My new t-shirt. Beer and BBQ on their way to you FEDEX.

Limerick on November 28, 2007 at 11:46 PM

This is just the beginning of 2008.

Entelechy on November 28, 2007 at 11:47 PM

Earlier this month Selders was ousted from the nonpartisan post, losing to a retired police officer by a 3-2 margin.

“I really feel betrayed by my community,” said Selders, 61. “There’s a big contingent of people in this community who are just full of anger and hate about illegal immigration, and that anger and hate has been transferred to me.”

What happened to Selders, a lifelong Republican, is a cautionary tale of the politics of illegal immigration. To some, it shows how a good man trying to do the right thing was taken down by the forces of intolerance. To others, it shows what can happen to elitist politicians who dismiss voters’ frustrations over unchecked illegal immigration.

From my 11:47 PM link – all politicians underestimate what an awakening those marches were. They, from both parties, ignore this at their peril. The middle class is fed up, and they work, pay taxes, and yes, they vote. And, they have it out with politicians from all sides for having alowed this escalation, at their cost (the middle class pays for it all). The rage will not go against the illegals, it will go against the politicians who continue to play ostriches.

Entelechy on November 28, 2007 at 11:53 PM

Rudy pwned Mitt badly on this issue. Mitt used the excuse of not knowing the hiring practices of his landscaping contractor but accused Rudy of negligence in with illegals in the LARGEST CITY IN THE CIVILIZED WORLD?

Nice try Mitt, you stuttering pr**k.

awake on November 28, 2007 at 11:53 PM

“I really feel betrayed by my community,” said Selders, 61.

Entelechy on November 28, 2007 at 11:53 PM

Not to equate Selders with him, but I seem to recall reading that Hitler in his last days in his bunker said something much like that.

Ceausescu probably said something similar too.

They never learn.

MB4 on November 29, 2007 at 12:01 AM

Nice try Mitt, you stuttering pr**k.

awake on November 28, 2007 at 11:53 PM

I think that a lot more Americans are concerned with whom it was who ran a sanctuary magnet city and whom may have inadvertently employed a lawn company that may have hired an illegal.

I know I do.

MB4 on November 29, 2007 at 12:04 AM

BTW, NYC is not the largest city in the civilized world.

I’d say you are zero for five.

MB4 on November 29, 2007 at 12:08 AM

LARGEST CITY IN THE CIVILIZED WORLD?

You mean, 7th largest economy in the world?

Spirit of 1776 on November 29, 2007 at 12:10 AM

Entelechy on November 28, 2007 at 11:47 PM

You know what’s up with CS? Usually see him for sure on debate nights.

Spirit of 1776 on November 29, 2007 at 12:11 AM

Let’s get real here MB4. Calling NYC a sanctuary city with the pre-existence unchecked US immigration, which Reagan called out in the 80′s, as the fault of Rudy when he inherited NYC is, well, for lack of a better term, idiotic.

Biggest city in the US, with a massive reduction in crime during his tenure. The stats speak for themselves. US immigration problems were not his concern. He dealt with what he could. Based on his record as NYC mayor, give him the keys to the kingdom now.

Where you from MB4?

awake on November 29, 2007 at 12:12 AM

“Civilized” was the operative word. That lost on you boys?

awake on November 29, 2007 at 12:13 AM

awake on November 29, 2007 at 12:12 AM

Romney and Rudy (and Mastro!) Keep Fighting Over Immigration

“If you are an undocumented worker, if you are an illegal immigrant, we want you here.
- Rudycapo

MB4 on November 29, 2007 at 12:17 AM

Romney-camp nonsense. He couldn’t control the influx of illegals to his front lawn. How many illegals has Mitt turned in and deported running Boston and that great big new Mosque they are building there?

Lol.

awake on November 29, 2007 at 12:23 AM

You know what’s up with CS? Usually see him for sure on debate nights.

Spirit of 1776 on November 29, 2007 at 12:11 AM

No, I don’t Spirit of 1776, and I’m sincerely worried about him. I also inquired on another thread, a few days ago. Sure hope he returns soon, and with the same spunk.

p.s. Spirit, I’m not a public relations agent, though an agent of a different kind, who works with all kinds of species of the public :)

p.p.s. MB4, be nice to Subsunk, and Subsunk, as I’ve known and respected him over time, will be the same. I will continue to like and respect both of you, for different reasons.

Entelechy on November 29, 2007 at 12:25 AM

Biggest city in the US, with a massive reduction in crime during his tenure. The stats speak for themselves.

How much credit does Rudy deserve for New York City’s crime rate going down?

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nycrime.htm

Note that crime rates were dropping for the three years before Giuliani took office. And they continued to drop after he left.

Crime in New York peaked in 1990. Giuliani did not take office until 1994.

BTW, most Americans do not care all that much about New York City anyway. Sympathy for 9/11, that’s about it.

Where you from MB4?

awake on November 29, 2007 at 12:12 AM

Here and there, mostly there.

BTW, I would say “Never bring a knife to a gun fight”, but you appear to have forgotten to bring even a knife.

MB4 on November 29, 2007 at 12:25 AM

Where you from MB4?

awake on November 29, 2007 at 12:12 AM

Not from here, obviously – thankfully from my time zone, though.

Entelechy on November 29, 2007 at 12:28 AM

p.p.s. MB4, be nice to Subsunk, and Subsunk, as I’ve known and respected him over time, will be the same. I will continue to like and respect both of you, for different reasons.

Entelechy on November 29, 2007 at 12:25 AM

OK, just for you I will try to be nice to Subsunk, even though he is an ex-sailor who told me, an ex-soldier, to “Go pi$$ up a rope”. It may take away one of my nine lives, but I will try just or you.

MB4 on November 29, 2007 at 12:29 AM

Read your own link. Giuliani cut crime in half during his tenure, or was it just because perps got nicer in NYC?

BTW, most Americans do not care all that much about New York City anyway. Sympathy for 9/11, that’s about it.

Agreed, but that does not make most people informed or even intelligent. Again, on Romney’s record against illegal immigration?…..

awake on November 29, 2007 at 12:31 AM

No, I don’t Spirit of 1776, and I’m sincerely worried about him. I also inquired on another thread, a few days ago. Sure hope he returns soon, and with the same spunk.

Hm, hope everything is cool there.

p.s. Spirit, I’m not a public relations agent, though an agent of a different kind, who works with all kinds of species of the public :)

Heh. That night you reminded me of that pc-mac commercial where the pc says something and the lady translates it for him. The take-home message: girls like songs:)

Spirit of 1776 on November 29, 2007 at 12:35 AM

awake on November 29, 2007 at 12:31 AM

I did read the link. Did you read -

“If you are an undocumented worker, if you are an illegal immigrant, we want you here.
- Rudycapo”

MB4 on November 29, 2007 at 12:37 AM

It may take away one of my nine lives, but I will try just (f)or you.

MB4 on November 29, 2007 at 12:29 AM

Thank you. And, I know those remaining 8 will not suffer one iota.

Btw, your first reply to that “rope” thing was to die for.

Subsunk is a really good guy and language like that is probably a sailor’s escape funnel. An e-hug to both of you. Carry on :)

Entelechy on November 29, 2007 at 12:38 AM

No, no, no. not that Romney-camp crap, the crime statistics one you linked to.

Damn, you are daft.

awake on November 29, 2007 at 12:39 AM

Rudy could stagger across the stage, pull out a gun and shoot the moderator, then collapse in a heap in full view of the cameras, and the Rudybot would still be repeating its preprogrammed lines: “Giuliani cut crime in half during his tenure”.

If if Rudy goes to jail, will he still be eligible to run for President?

Who would fund NRO then?

MB4 on November 29, 2007 at 12:41 AM

Well Allahpundit, there you go again.

For the last twenty years, this country has awoken to Clinton or a Bush day. Next November, America needs to rise to a new day, a day that America can tackle its problems head on and do its best solve them. This country doesn’t need the best Teflon Coated Politician, we don’t need more of the last twenty years; this country needs to solve problems. After watching the CNN YouTube Republican debate, the candidate that presented ideas to solve problems was Fred Thompson.

Everything else was just entertainment

BDU-33 on November 29, 2007 at 12:42 AM

Damn, you are daft.

awake on November 29, 2007 at 12:39 AM

Why are you having so much trouble keeping up then.

Which parts of what I sited from the link “Note that crime rates were dropping for the three years before Giuliani took office. And they continued to drop after he left.

Crime in New York peaked in 1990. Giuliani did not take office until 1994.” are you having so much trouble with?

MB4 on November 29, 2007 at 12:46 AM

And the “rombots” could justify their criticism of Rudy with a shred of evidence of their tough stance on illegals.

Or is he simply more interested in building mosques?

“Giuliani cut crime in half during his tenure”.

Is this statement accurate? at least by the link YOU provided? Since when is the truth a preprogrammed line?

awake on November 29, 2007 at 12:46 AM

MB4,

Crime rates dropped SLIGHTLY from 1990 to 1993, probably attributable to more police because Dinkins was under major duress. Under Giuliani it dropped DRAMATICALLY.

These are not big words or nuances that take a Phd to understand. http://www.dictionary.com should do the trick if needed.

awake on November 29, 2007 at 12:52 AM

MB4,

Work on that small topical fact and I will get back to you. I can’t stay up all night and with each response I feel like I am losing IQ points.

Romney had some set calling out Rudy on illegals and he paid the price tonight.

I will support Romney 100% if he wins the GOP nod, but I always need to keep it real.

awake on November 29, 2007 at 12:54 AM

nite

awake on November 29, 2007 at 12:55 AM

Since when is the truth a preprogrammed line?

awake on November 29, 2007 at 12:46 AM

When it is repeated to the exclusion of the rest of the forest by a Rudybot who seems to not be able to see any of the rest of the damned forest.

That’s when.

MB4 on November 29, 2007 at 12:55 AM

nite

awake on November 29, 2007 at 12:55 AM

Don’t let the New York cockroaches bite.

MB4 on November 29, 2007 at 12:57 AM

I feel like I am losing IQ points.

awake on November 29, 2007 at 12:54 AM

That has been my diagnosis too.

MB4 on November 29, 2007 at 12:59 AM

Romney had some set calling out Rudy on illegals and he paid the price tonight.

awake on November 29, 2007 at 12:54 AM

My God in Heaven, what part of, “If you are an undocumented worker, if you are an illegal immigrant, we want you here.
- Rudolf Giuliani
” DO YOU STILL NOT COMPRENDER?

Rudycapo ran a magnet sanctuary city!
Some lawn care company that Romney employed apparently had some illegal cutting grass for them.

Good Lord!

MB4 on November 29, 2007 at 1:06 AM

Awake must not be awake anymore or maybe it was something I said?

MB4 on November 29, 2007 at 1:07 AM

Mit pwnzrs J.

amend2 on November 29, 2007 at 1:08 AM

BTW, awake asleep, go to

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

and you should be easily able to see that violent crime was dropping across the U.S. during the years that Rudycrapo was mayor of NYC, not just in NYC.

I guess you will probably want to give the credit to Bill Clinton now.

MB4 on November 29, 2007 at 1:44 AM

Continuing with this very side issue:

His real subject is himself, and he brooks little criticism(Capos seldom do). When I asked him if it was true, as I had read, that he fired William Bratton as police commissioner because Bratton was getting too much credit for New York’s drop in crime, he replied, “I didn’t fire him. He resigned.” Then he acknowledged that “we had some differences about the publicity operation (Like about who was going to get credit, Rudycrapo or the police chief, who was getting credit from the press)in the police department. I thought after three years that it was time for new leadership (The capo wanted an underling that would praise him more).”

MB4 on November 29, 2007 at 2:27 AM

MB4, let go a little. None of them, on both sides, are illustrious. I really worry about our country. However, no need to obsess about Rudy, or anyone. None are worth so much energy.

Btw. I don’t like Bratton. He’s done some good for LA but he’s also done some very stupid things in the name of PC, often just for his own political good.

Entelechy on November 29, 2007 at 2:47 AM

MB4, let go a little.

Entelechy on November 29, 2007 at 2:47 AM

Yes dear. – smile -

MB4 on November 29, 2007 at 3:06 AM

Nice spin, Guliani. ‘Sanctuary city’ has nothing to do with committing crimes or being suspected of committing crimes.

Advantage Romney.

Kevin M on November 29, 2007 at 6:03 AM

Huck was on fiyah!!

Rudy seemed old in years and old in material. Like watching an aged comedian come up with the same thread-bare material, but with poor timing.

Dude, you are not running for mayor, start answering like the Prez!!

Hening on November 29, 2007 at 8:02 AM

Education should not be provided to Illegals!
It only encourages more illegals.

Emergency medical care should be provided and then the consulate general of the treated should be billed for that care. and the patient deported posthaste.

Employers should be fined 10,000.00 per month for each Illegal hired. This is easy to do with the checking the ss#.

Within a few years they will migrate back home and voila!

TheSitRep on November 29, 2007 at 8:16 AM

But really, that’s a question they need to ask the Democrats! Most of America is opposed to gay in the military (although I’m not sure why…we love our contry, too!), so the democrats would be on the opposite side of America…as usual…which is probably why they never get asked such questions.

SouthernGent on November 28, 2007 at 11:03 PM

Are you sure that most Americans oppose gays in the military? I remember some poll from four or five years ago, saying that 2/3 of Americans favor gays in the military. Admittedly, I don’t follow the issue enough to know if that poll was an aberation.

thuja on November 29, 2007 at 8:37 AM

Border states need to shoulder MOST of the responsibility and should be funded to do so.

Agrippa2k on November 28, 2007 at 11:25 PM

Ok, so border states have the responsibility to enforce the national immigration laws? How can we do this? Stop all cars on the highways that have hispanics riding in them? ACLU files suits for “racial profiling”.

Maybe ALL government agencies need to check residence status every time someone fills out a document for education benefits, police reports, etc. And every state needs to crack down on employers who hire undocumented workers. And impeach any judge that impedes the progress of emforcing the law.

Build the wall. Enforce the laws. The illegals will leave when the welcome mat is rolled up.

Texas Nick 77 on November 29, 2007 at 8:41 AM

Shallow people complain of Thompson’s or McCain’s facial lines, as though the marks of time and accrued wisdom should be denied existence. If people vote for the pretty face, we are doomed.

Whenever Romney is questioned, he responds offensively. But rather than merely rebutting with qualitative information, he inaccurately calls his opponent OFFENSIVE or a BIGOT (when those terms apply more appropriately to Mitt). Even his official campaign story about his 2-year Mormon salesmanship course for young adults in France said that was where Mitt got his first taste of POWER. Note well, being a Mormon so-called missionary did not give Mitt his first taste of humility or appreciation for public service; he liked it because it gave him POWER.

The patriarchal Mormon battle cry is “POWER IN THE MORMON PRIESTHOOD!”–not to be confused with the Catholic priesthood that to Mormons is the “mother of all whores”–the Mormon priesthood is very entity that Mormons denied to those of African descent for exuding “the curse of Cain” until a PC policy change in 1978 would improve public image AND GET MORE CONVERTS (aka $$$$$$ required membership dues strict 10% tithe PLUS faste offering of the family food expense 24-hour-period per month PLUS building fund PLUS congregational expenses PLUS supporting your kids on a 2-year Mormon sales course that for public appeal is called a “mission”, PLUS purchasing and maintaining your family’s own year supply of food & water kept in storage to be prepared for disaster–in other words, don’t ask the church for help, no matter, take care of yourself.) Get the chronology–their god’s “divine and direct revelation” to Brigham Young denies African descendents the right to be ordained, but a business meeting in the SLC Mormon temple co-opts that “divine” revelation as politically incorrect. What we witness is the Mormon church instigating PC society, group think mentality, and in matters of discourse social fascism.

In his own way, Romney is Hillary. Why trust either, no matter what they say or how professional their campaign organizations may be? Mitt has his own hang-ups that prevent him from being a good President of the United States, no matter his paper “credentials”. DIVISIVE, absolutely!

I refer you to what Jack M. posted today at 2:04 a.m. on ACE OF SPADES HQ:

Romney, for example, allowed himself to be played like a violin. They [CNN] set a trap for him and he walked right into it with his answer on the Confederate Flag.

As a lifelong resident of the South (DC is as far North as I’ve ever lived), I understand full well the passions that run on all sides of the Confederate Flag issue. For some it is a symbol of racism. For others it is a symbol of family military service. For some others it is a symbol of cultural and regional ties. Somebody flying a Confederate Flag probably is more likely to go to a NASCAR race or attend the weigh in at a Bassmaster Tour event than is somebody from Maine wearing a Boston Red Sox hat who does so to self identify with the cultural traditions of New England like, I dunno, Lobstering and raising taxes.

And Romney botched it. Here was the kicker line to his answer:

And that flag, frankly, is divisive, and it shouldn’t be shown.
It shouldn’t be shown? Really? Not over a Memorial Cemetary? Not in a museum? Not over Six Flags? Not in the Grandstands at a Nascar race? Not in a Re-enactment event? Not at a Historic Location like say the Shiloh Battlefield or Gettysburg? Not on the roof of the General Lee?

You know what else is divisive, Governor? Your campaign.

It’s set Republicans against Republicans. Christians against Christians and/or Mormons (see, now even that is a debate!) and now Yankees from many Southerners. Maybe your campaign shouldn’t be shown either. It’s divisive.

And, Governor, to be honest, I really don’t care about the Confederate Flag. I supported it’s removal from the Capitol Dome in Alabama and in South Carolina. I also supported it’s removal from State flags that had incorporated it.

But I don’t believe it “shouldn’t be shown.” That’s the kind of opinion one gets from the Northeast Elites. Those predisposed to a little of what Sen. Coverdell might have termed “regional arrogance.”

But you choked. You let CNN stereotype Republicans as Rebel Flag obsessed racists, and then, accepting their stereotype, proceeded to throw a blanket condemnation upon them.

Coverdell understood the liberal’s game, Governor. Look at his quote again:

But I have to say to him that evoking the Ku Klux Klan is something I would not have expected from him. It is demeaning. It is an inaccurate portrayal of the legislation. There is regional arrogance in the context of the Senator’s statement, and I do not appreciate it.
Suppose you had been smart enough to say this, Governor:

But I would have to say that evoking the CONFEDERATE FLAG is something I would not have expected from CNN. It is demeaning. It is an innaccurate portrayal of WHAT THE GOP STANDS FOR. There is regional arrogance in the context of CNN’s QUESTIONS, and I do not appreciate it.
Hell…I might have been convinced you had it in you to be President.

But you can’t say that Governor. You are incapable of it. It takes someone who knows who he is and what he stands for to have the gumption to say it.

And you aren’t that man. You simply have been too many things at too many stages of your life. Your philosophical core is hollow. You’d look great at Madame Toussauds, but awful in the Oval Office.

I don’t mean to single you out…I only do so because you were the most egregious at letting CNN’s questions go by. Your answer played into what they set out to portray.

Thus is the current state of the GOP. People say we are hung up about finding another Reagan.

I’m not.

I’d be happy if any of these guys even remotely resembled Paul Coverdell.

Posted by Jack M. at 02:04 AM on Ace of Spades HQ

http://ace.mu.nu/

maverick muse on November 29, 2007 at 9:43 AM

Hening..I did get a bit tired of hearing every one of Rudy’s answers go straight back to “Well, I dealt with this same problem when I was Mayor of New York”. Gets old after a while.

I thought Romney did ok. Policy-wise, Thompson still has the best plan for illegal immigration and I thought Huckabee had some great answers last night.

Watching Lutz this morning, he said there were only a couple moments where audience reaction was nearly perfect and one was during a Thompson answer on illegal immigration..his comment about staying a sovereign nation and who we allow in our home.

serpentineshel on November 29, 2007 at 9:47 AM

Oh, and the plant from Hillary’s camp? How hard would it have been for CNN to find out who he was? It was a You-Tube debate. You-Tube is owned by Google.

Google results have the press release announcing his joining her campaign.

serpentineshel on November 29, 2007 at 9:52 AM

But really, that’s a question they need to ask the Democrats! Most of America is opposed to gay in the military (although I’m not sure why

Maybe it’s those pink kevlar vests…
The opposition comes from more a logistics than any thing else. Where do they shower? With the men they are attracted to, or with the women they relate to. And similar with gay women.
The reason why, on ships, the men and women are separated is to minimize the sex and relationships. So where do the gay men (women) quarter? In their own area, or on land their own barracks? But then that would promote relationships. Think through it, it is a logistical nightmare. You are showering, and two gay guys are gawking, what is going to happen? There be a little *ss kickin.
Not everything works out how we want it to…there are a lot of reasons people can’t serve, that may seem unfair.
With less then 10% of the population gay, and less then 1% in the military, you are excluding less then 1% of the population…

right2bright on November 29, 2007 at 9:53 AM

Call it motivated reasoning, but Mitt won this debate hands down. I have no idea what Townhall is thinking. If I were someone who believed in conspiracies, I would suggest they’re pushing Huck intentionally. And they picked Fred as comming in second. I’m not sure what debate they were watching!

davenp35 on November 29, 2007 at 9:54 AM

See, everyone has an opinion. I think Mitt came across arrogant and defensive. He is trying to make up for his beta-dog image, got killed on the sanctuary cities in Mass. Fred is smart by laying low, Mitt and Rudy are making too many blunders by trying to be out in front.
Huck did good, because like Mitt he sounds good, and like Mitt his record will drag him down. Short term strong, long term, weak…that is the problem with records and history, they keep popping up to define what the men really stand for.

right2bright on November 29, 2007 at 10:07 AM