Stupid media trick: Is the post-war bi-lateral security agreement with Iraq precedent shattering?

posted at 4:05 pm on November 28, 2007 by Bryan

Do the denizens of the mainstream media actually, you know, know anything about anything at all?

During Monday’s press gaggle (that’s what the White House actually calls it) the subject of the pending status of forces agreement with Iraq, post-war or I should say post-victory, came up.

Q Is there any precedent for this in history? I mean, there wasn’t anything like this after Korea or Vietnam or any other kind of American engagement.

GENERAL LUTE: Well, in fact, we do have a long-term bilateral with Korea. There are about a hundred countries around the world with which we have bilateral defense or security cooperation agreements. You should think about the one that’s emerging here with Iraq as one in that same sort of setting.

Now, to anyone who has been in the military or has much familiarity with the military at all (or who gets paid to ask asinine questions about the military), the phrase “status of forces agreement” ought to ring a bell. If you’ve been stationed overseas, a status of forces agreement (or SOFA) governed the rules about your deployment, who paid for what, how our forces based in a foreign country might be used in a conflict with another country, what would happen if you got into any kind of trouble “on the economy,” etc. We’ve had SOFAs for decades with allies and former enemies (and former allies turned enemies, in the case of Cuba) for basing US troops on foreign soil for at least 100 years. So yes, unnamed ignorant reporter, there is some precedent for this. We have done it after, oh, our last half dozen war victories or so. That also answers why we didn’t establish a SOFA with Vietnam: Either you, reporter, or your forebears helped us lose, so we couldn’t stay around to win a peace that wasn’t won. The Soviets probably got a SOFA out of it, though.

In Iraq, we can stay and they want us to, so we will. If they want us gone, btw, we’ll be gone. Ask the Philippines, another country that we had a SOFA with until the 1990s.

Ace and Patterico are also blogging this press asininity. These are the people who are good for about 15 percentage points for the Democrats. Geeeeez.


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The inmates are most assuredly running the asylum…

doriangrey on November 28, 2007 at 4:14 PM

Bryan, you must be an Army brat, or some kind of service brat, to even now the phrase “on the economy.”

By the way, the SOFA we had with Germany was truly ridiculous. It even governed who could be hired in the PXs and BXs all over the country. The crazy thing was, only Germans were allowed to work there. No college students home from the summer. No G.I.s needing a second job. And all this while they were bugging us about the balance of payments and urging us to send our money back home rather than spend it in Germany.

Crazy.

rivlax on November 28, 2007 at 4:16 PM

Either you, reporter, or your forebears helped us lose, so we couldn’t stay around to win a peace that wasn’t won. The Soviets probably got a SOFA out of it, though.

Which suits said reporters just fine….

nukemhill on November 28, 2007 at 4:17 PM

Sorry, meant “know the phrase.” I guess I ought to use that preview function you guys spent so much on.

rivlax on November 28, 2007 at 4:17 PM

rivlax on November 28, 2007 at 4:17 PM

Not a brat, but I was in the AF stationed in Japan during much of the 1990s.

Bryan on November 28, 2007 at 4:18 PM

I don’t even want to date the Sunni and Shiite Iraqis, I sure don’t want to marry them.

I think that I will contact a divorce lawyer.

MB4 on November 28, 2007 at 4:19 PM

press gaggle

What a fitting name for it.

Frozen Tex on November 28, 2007 at 4:24 PM

For these idiots, history began with the Bush Administration, so they have no clue about historical context.

For them, the mantra is “In the beginning, George Bush destroyed the heavens and the earth…”

CP on November 28, 2007 at 4:30 PM

For these idiots, history began with the Bush Administration, so they have no clue about historical context.

For them, the mantra is “In the beginning, George Bush destroyed the heavens and the earth…”

CP on November 28, 2007 at 4:30 PM

Sadly this is the truth…….

doriangrey on November 28, 2007 at 4:33 PM

What is amazing to me is that the “Media” has such a lack of knowledge.

I thought that the Washington Press was supposed to be the “A” team… the ones who dissect what politicians say, and knowledgably report it to us.

That they don’t know somthing as easy as this… basic history… is a real indictment of the dumbing down of the MSM.

Romeo13 on November 28, 2007 at 5:02 PM

Way to many of the folks in the MSM know “Truth to Power”, how to ask questions and how to write, but, seriously, that is all they know.

It wasn’t so long ago, maybe 2004 or 5 when Korea had become a hot topic, particularly because we were planning both a move there and a reduction that the update 5-Year White Paper SOFA was rather big in the news. I think Japan’s was, or some important aspect of it, too, a little later, but I didn’t look at that much at the time. (I think it had to do with Japan taking on becoming/integrating as our main logistics/supply/transport partner.)

This moron didn’t do much prep for the gaggle and it’s likely he never does.

Dusty on November 28, 2007 at 5:08 PM

There are about a hundred countries around the world with which we have bilateral defense or security cooperation agreements.

I don’t care how you feel about America’s military empire… that’s just a staggering fact.

Mark Jaquith on November 28, 2007 at 5:15 PM

Gotta find out who this “reporter” is, and serve them a plate of s.t.f.u.-till-you-know-what-youre-talking-about.

Yummmi.

$50 says theyre under 35 and very likely a J-school superstar with social and possibly familial ties to
Beltway-NYC Demos.

Mike D. on November 28, 2007 at 5:18 PM

You know it’d be nice at the end of the year for the White House to make the Press corps run a gauntlet of Army and Marines armed with pugil sticks. Those who make it the furthest get to sit the closest next year.

Iblis on November 28, 2007 at 5:31 PM

If the politicians have to act like imbeciles in full view of the public, why does the douchebag who asked that question get anonymity?

Video of that nitwit should be on Fox News tonight.

Jaibones on November 28, 2007 at 5:35 PM

Mark Jaquith on November 28, 2007 at 5:15 PM

If you think our military presence overseas amounts to an empire, you really really really really really need to a) study up on what our military actually does overseas and b) read up on what empires actually did in history. Seriously.

Bryan on November 28, 2007 at 5:37 PM

I’m sorry, but those who are going to ask questions of our leaders need to be subjected to (1) an IQ test, and (2) a high school equivalency test.

They also need to have their temperature taken to make sure they are an active life form somewhat superior to a potted plant.

The nation’s press conferences should not be proving grounds for the MSM’s “No Idiot Left Behind” program!!!

landlines on November 28, 2007 at 6:23 PM

“No Idiot Left Behind”

“No Reporter Left Behind”?

Frozen Tex on November 28, 2007 at 6:39 PM

Bryan, your suggestion sounds like actual mental hard work. Much easier to just mouth vacuous leftist platitudes from the Democrats’ talking points.

DavePa on November 28, 2007 at 7:04 PM

The Left counts on the ignorance of the people, it’s why they like the failing public education system just the way it is. The fact that the MSM is so idiotic and at the same time so leftwing is no coincidence.

Lancer on November 28, 2007 at 9:24 PM

Mark Jaquith on November 28, 2007 at 5:15 PM

If you think our military presence overseas amounts to an empire, you really really really really really need to a) study up on what our military actually does overseas and b) read up on what empires actually did in history. Seriously.

Bryan on November 28, 2007 at 5:37 PM

It’s no accident that neither the Left nor the Ronulans could survive without massive ignorance. Both common sense and basic diplomacy would tend to encourage states to work out agreements over how they can and can’t do business together. But apparently it’s much easier to scream “Empire!” (shrilly) than to actually educate oneself.

You know it’d be nice at the end of the year for the White House to make the Press corps run a gauntlet of Army and Marines armed with pugil sticks. Those who make it the furthest get to sit the closest next year.

Iblis on November 28, 2007 at 5:31 PM

Heh. I always loved pugil sticks. Also the Bayonet Assault Course.

ReubenJCogburn on November 28, 2007 at 11:58 PM