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Politico: Rudy hid security expenses for visits to Judi in obscure city agency budgets? Update: Rudy campaign launches internal probe

posted at 5:00 pm on November 28, 2007 by Allahpundit
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The actual story here kind of sneaks up on you. At first you think they’re charging him with having siphoned off taxpayer money to pay for personal trips with then-mistress Judi Nathan. Then it sounds like they’re accusing him of misusing his mayoral security detail by dragging them out to the Hamptons to stand guard during marital extracurriculars. Not so: “New York’s mayor receives round-the-clock police protection, and there’s no suggestion that Giuliani used his detail improperly on these trips.” The charge, in fact, is that he tried to hide his infidelity by dumping security expenses incurred in Nathan’s neighborhoods on odd city agencies like the Loft Board and the, er, Procurement Policy Board, where no one would think to look for the receipts. Says David Dinkins’s former budget director, “There is no really good reason to do this except to have nobody know about it.” A Giuliani aide denied wrongdoing, chalks it up to “accounting,” and notes that they were all mayoral agencies, not outside city agencies.

Exit question one: Who benefits most from this? Mitt, insofar as it reminds social cons of Rudy’s dysfunctional family shenanigans, or Fred, who’s pushing himself as the true law and order prosecutor (no pun intended) in the race? And exit question two: Does Rudy recover, assuming Mitt or Fred or whoever starts to lash him on it? It’s not a huge deal by itself but it’s just one more thing he’ll have to deal with between his social liberalism and the firefighters coming after him over 9/11 and his quite possibly dwindling electability.

More (Bryan): I’m not one to tout “I told you so’s” but Rudy’s bimbo time bombs have been bothering me for a while. I’m not saying that in this case at hand I’m already pronouncing him guilty as charged, especially not on the word of a Dinkins hand, but the potential for Giuliani to bring scandal wherever he goes doesn’t come at us out of the blue. He’s a known known.

What are the odds that if we have a President Giuliani, we’ll have a major sex scandal of some kind? I figure it’s about 60% or higher, and I’m only basing that on his own record. It’s not a record that James Dobson or anyone else made up out of false accusations. Like Bill Clinton’s record, Rudy’s is based on his own actions. It’s his own fault. It’s not demagoguery to point it out, and to wonder if it’s a good idea to put him in the White House knowing the potential for scandal that he carries with him. And when you add this potential to all of the other damage President Giuliani could do to the country and the conservative cause, well, it’s legitimate to wonder if he’s really the best man to be the Republican standard bearer next year. Do we want someone who might bring Republican bimbo eruptions to the White House, in the middle of a war?

If the GOP nominates Rudy, it had better do so clear eyed and understanding the full scope of the consequences for doing so.

Update: Rep. Peter King denies on Rudy’s behalf.

Update: Team Rudy is taking this seriously, per Mark Halperin.


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It’s just another thing that confirms the Hillary/Rudy seperated at birth line of thought.

Ex-tex on November 28, 2007 at 5:04 PM

Exit question one: Who benefits most from this?

Huck. He’s got momentum, plus he’s the candidate with buzz whose image most starkly constrasts with Rudy’s in terms of “values” voters.

And exit question two: Does Rudy recover, assuming Mitt or Fred or whoever starts to lash him on it?

Tougher question. My first instinct is yes, because Rudy’s already gotten this far with his imperfections well-known to most. But on the other hand, even I felt a little dirty reading that Politico article. It seems so tawdry. He was having a secret fling with this Nathan woman and trying to cover it up. I assume all politicians do things like this, but when we actually find out about them, it just feels…icky.

Of course, I don’t vote, so it’s not like Rudy’s losing anything from me.

Enrique on November 28, 2007 at 5:12 PM

Can someone point me precisely to the CRIME alleged to have been committed here?

Or is this just of the nature of an indiscretion, something not technically illegal but which just “looks bad”?

Always Right on November 28, 2007 at 5:12 PM

Always Right on November 28, 2007 at 5:12 PM

Looks bad, IMO.

New York’s mayor receives round-the-clock police protection, and there’s no suggestion that Giuliani used his detail improperly on these trips.

amerpundit on November 28, 2007 at 5:15 PM

But on the other hand, even I felt a little dirty reading that Politico article. It seems so tawdry.

Yeah, that’s the thing. It’s so scuzzy that it feels like a bombshell, but … it’s not. He was just embarrassed about his diddling which the world already knows about.

Allahpundit on November 28, 2007 at 5:17 PM

Of course, I don’t vote, so it’s not like Rudy’s losing anything from me.

Enrique on November 28, 2007 at 5:12 PM

Why

JiangxiDad on November 28, 2007 at 5:18 PM

Just puts Rudis “Family Values” back in the spot light…

Kinda like the soon to be released Bill Clinton shenanigans…

Its all about character here folks.

Romeo13 on November 28, 2007 at 5:19 PM

Not only is there no real evidence of any wrongdoing here, but there’s also no actual evidence that the trips were for visiting Judith Nathan (although it’s likely.) There were 8 trips to Long Island that the article mentioned that were not on Giuliani’s official schedule, on which he took a security detail and used City equipment (cars, etc.) There was also a trip to Florida for something, which was not included in the official record. The writers of the article are reduced to implying that the fact that he got a haircut before he left means that he was going somewhere that he shouldn’t have been. It’s probably true that he used the city police security and transportation on personal trips, but unless there’s some actual evidence, this is not a big deal.

Big S on November 28, 2007 at 5:29 PM

As I see it, the expenses were all actually reported, and they all ended up in the same City Budget, they just were placed in the wrong Department heading so as to make them harder to find.

For diddling denial purposes.

I still think the Hillary phony campaign contributions story is infinitely worse and is getting all but ignored.

Always Right on November 28, 2007 at 5:35 PM

Why

JiangxiDad on November 28, 2007 at 5:18 PM

We have a two-party system. Neither party represents me. QED.

It’s so scuzzy that it feels like a bombshell, but … it’s not.

I know, more than anything else I feel embarassed for Rudy. I was once involved in a relationship with a woman at work that we kept secret – even though there was nothing wrong with it, I remember feeling a sense of irrational shame about the whole thing. This reminds of that. Maybe it’s just me.

Enrique on November 28, 2007 at 5:43 PM

Personally I find this disturbing because it is the same kind of personal dishonesty that lead to the Monica Lewinsky affair. Has Bill Clinton come clean right in the beginning there would have been no impeachment trial, but no he insisted on being dishonest and it created a horrible scandal.

In this case Rudy is showing the exact same lack of judgment the bill Clinton showed and I think we should all be disturbed by a failure in judgment of this magnitude. It is serious evidence of the same elitist above the law mentality that Clinton suffered from.

doriangrey on November 28, 2007 at 5:44 PM

It’s the preseason….wait until the playoffs. Eleven and a half months from now we will all be living in Jerry Springerville.

Who benefits? Mitt and Hillary. My man Fred won’t say anything (it’s about taxes stupid). Mitt will claim innocence. McCain won’t even notice. Bill Mahar, Olbytron, Chrissy Matthews, they’ll pick this up and run down field.
In the mean time Hill will be giggling in the corner.

Limerick on November 28, 2007 at 5:44 PM

Exit question one: Who benefits most from this?

Hillary.

Buy Danish on November 28, 2007 at 5:46 PM

Here’s my theory – Rudy’s actually on Hillary’s payroll. He’s been there for a number of years. Look at the Senate race between him and Hillary. He let his ego get the best of him and he stayed in the race far too long despite his marital and other problems. Then when he finally withdrew, it was too late to mount a new challenge to Hillary.

Now, he’s been on the campaign trail as a Republican front runner and this happens. He should have known this stuff would have come up. He knows he never should have entered the race and yet he did. I wonder how much Hillary will pay him this time for handing the election to her…

rbb on November 28, 2007 at 5:47 PM

I’m tired of these non-scandals.

Enough already.

I’ll be the first one with the pitchforks and torches if new information comes out that someone committed a crime or did something unambiguously immoral.

But I’m so sick of these “gotcha” moments that only make people look bad politically but are meaningless in the real world.

Did Rudy try to make it hard for the press to find out about his affair? Yes. Is that immoral? Hell no.

Maybe he’ll have some success in hiding national security secrets from the New York Times. . . for once.

Nessuno on November 28, 2007 at 5:52 PM

Kinda belies the tough on terror image–hiding the evidence. We all knew Bill Clinton was a huge national security risk because he put himself in so many comprimising positions, and was clearly the sort who would be susceptible to blackmail about it.

Let’s not have a GOP version of that story.

TexasDan on November 28, 2007 at 6:07 PM

Did Rudy try to make it hard for the press to find out about his affair? Yes. Is that immoral? Hell no.

Maybe he’ll have some success in hiding national security secrets from the New York Times. . . for once.
Nessuno on November 28, 2007 at 5:52 PM

Good point!

I certainly hope Mitt doesn’t try to use this. Rudy had 24/7 security detail. Taxpayers paid for it. Check. Your point is?

Buy Danish on November 28, 2007 at 6:08 PM

This is dumb.

This is soooo dumb.

Is anyone really gonna say – “Well, I was gonna vote for Rudy, but then I found out he tried to hide his cheating on his wife. I can’t support a man who’s delicto is quite so un-flagrante.”

Who is the moron that thinks like that? Are they even intelligent to have figured out how to register and vote?

This is so stupid I feel stupid even commenting on it. But it’s too stupid not to simply observe how completely and utterly craptacular it is. Who is the cretin at the Politico that thinks this means anything to anyone?

The Apologist on November 28, 2007 at 6:09 PM

This is so stupid I feel stupid even commenting on it. But it’s too stupid not to simply observe how completely and utterly craptacular it is. Who is the cretin at the Politico that thinks this means anything to anyone?

The Apologist on November 28, 2007 at 6:09 PM

Funny, thats exactly how the Clintons defended Lewinskygate…

doriangrey on November 28, 2007 at 6:18 PM

Rudy’s acting like Billy Jeff here, makes you wonder what else is hidden under his dress?

omnipotent on November 28, 2007 at 6:19 PM

I am starting to believe that one of the goals of this site is to make sure that the Republicans lose the next election. To hear this place tell it, only the candidates that are least likely to be elected are fit for office.

crosspatch on November 28, 2007 at 6:26 PM

We have a two-party system. Neither party represents me. QED

Enrique on November 28, 2007 at 5:43 PM

You throw away your precious vote? What a horse’s ass.

JiangxiDad on November 28, 2007 at 6:29 PM

What are the odds that if we have a President Giuliani, we’ll have a major sex scandal of some kind? I figure it’s about 60% or higher, and I’m only basing that on his own record.

Complete and utter B.S. – both times it was posted.

Get it through you head: There was never a “major sex scandal.” There was a marriage falling apart and a new girlfriend. Goes for around 25% of the population – the lucky ones.

CK MacLeod on November 28, 2007 at 6:37 PM

Funny, thats exactly how the Clintons defended Lewinskygate…

Are you suggesting the President’s purgering himself in a deposition is akin to a mayor hiding his expenses to hide his infidelity? Seriously?

How about this…let’s say Clinton uses a legitimate defense as a lie. Does that disqualify everyone else from using that defense forever? The difference between my “defense” of Rudy and the Clenis’s defense of himself is that I’m right that this is incredibly stupid and he wasn’t. Can we agree on that?

The Apologist on November 28, 2007 at 6:54 PM

If anyone tries to use this against Rudy, all he has to say is “When I was Mayor I had a security detail with me at all times. There were specific threats against me, including planned hits by the Mafia. Personal security is provided for the Mayor of New York City precisely because he is such a target. If you elect me President, I will also have a security detail, the Secret Service, following me wherever I go. Yes, the taxpayers will pay for that too, as they have for every President.”

This whole thing is silly.

Big S on November 28, 2007 at 6:55 PM

I can’t believe this. It’s okay b/c he was only trying to hide his cheating? oooooookay. And I guess it’s also okay to subsidize that cheating with the security detail? Yeah, it costs money to transport your friggin’ security detail to your honey’s pad and possibly house their asses and all ya know. The argument “they go with Rudy everywhere anyway” argument doesn’t fly when his ass should have been in Gracie Mansion, and instead the people of NYC are picking of the tab to transport a security team to his honey’s pad so he can get his rocks off. yeah, no problem, way overblown.

RW Wacko on November 28, 2007 at 6:56 PM

If he flew to meet her in Singapore and brought his security detail along there on the taxpayers’ dime would it be okay, too? It’s the principle. You don’t do that sh*t.

RW Wacko on November 28, 2007 at 6:58 PM

RW Wacko on November 28, 2007 at 6:56 PM

You surely stay true to your screen name. Look, if he had gone to see his kid’s high school band concert or dropped him of at summer camp or something, he would have had the same security with him, it would have cost the taxpayers just as much, and nobody would say a peep. The only reason why anybody cares about this is because he was going to see his new girlfriend while separated from his wife. The taxpayers weren’t “subsidizing his cheating” they were subsidizing his personal security wherever he went. It comes with the territory of being mayor, and he’s not the only one who has had that perk.

Big S on November 28, 2007 at 7:06 PM

Rudy’s acting like Billy Jeff here, makes you wonder what else is hidden under his dress?

omnipotent on November 28, 2007 at 6:19 PM

Really? How’s that exactly?

RW Wacko on November 28, 2007 at 6:56 PM

So if you’re the Mayor of New York you can’t leave Gracie Mansion and you have to give up your private life? What if he was meeting Donna Hanover in the Hamptons? Would that be a legitimate expense? Are the Hamptons anywhere in the vicinity of Singapore? Maybe the Mayor needs to pay the tab for his own security detail out of his measly $195,000 salary?

Come on.

Buy Danish on November 28, 2007 at 7:10 PM

This story has about 2 days of legs…4 at the worst.

SouthernGent on November 28, 2007 at 7:17 PM

I’m still waiting to here what crime was committed here.

SoulGlo on November 28, 2007 at 7:36 PM

Bryan – Like Bill Clinton’s record, Rudy’s is based on his own actions.

BINGO!

MB4 on November 28, 2007 at 8:08 PM

If the GOP nominates Rudy, it had better do so clear eyed and understanding the full scope of the consequences for doing so.

Or wake up in the morning and say, “My God, what is this I am sleeping next too?”.

MB4 on November 28, 2007 at 8:11 PM

doriangrey on November 28, 2007 at 5:44 PM

Another Bingo!

omnipotent on November 28, 2007 at 6:19 PM

And another!

MB4 on November 28, 2007 at 8:17 PM

Are the Hamptons anywhere in the vicinity of Singapore?

I brought up another country b/c if it would be inappropriate for the taxpayers to pick up that kind of tab, it is inappropriate even it if is down the street. So it is $1k instead of $100k that the taxpayers get soaked for it’s okay, I guess. Fine, whatever. It’s just sleazy, dude. It’s the principle. It’s either right or wrong, no matter the $s or the location. I think it’s wrong, esp coupled with the apparently creative “Accounting”. I’ll withhold actual judgement on that one, though.

But if you look at this, and some of the past accusations, his connections to his old cronies, etc, its just a bad pattern of behavior any way you slice it.

RW Wacko on November 28, 2007 at 8:27 PM

RW Wacko on November 28, 2007 at 8:27 PM

In other words, you can’t be a little bit pregnant.

Very true.

MB4 on November 28, 2007 at 8:37 PM

What are the odds that if we have a President Giuliani, we’ll have a major sex scandal of some kind? I figure it’s about 60% or higher, and I’m only basing that on his own record.

How in the world does anyone come up with an actual percentage for the possibility of a sex scandal? In what way is that “based” on his “record”?

Karol on November 28, 2007 at 11:37 PM

The cover-up is worse than the crime.

Not if you are CNN or a Democrat. Then the cover-up is the end of the crime, quickly and cleanly. Poof, gone.

drunyan8315 on November 29, 2007 at 10:12 AM

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