Open thread: The snowman cometh; Update: Bloodsport
posted at 7:14 pm on November 28, 2007 by Allahpundit
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I sense a great disturbance in the ’sphere for this one. The polls are in flux, the tone has turned negative, and we’ve got a bona fide freak show format on tap. 8 p.m. on CNN: anything can happen. MM and Bryan are going to take liveblogging to the next level tonight, but if you’re not commenting over there then go on and sound off below. I might actually watch this one, so good are the odds that we’re in for bloodsport.
In theory everyone’s gunning for Mitt but the shock poll from earlier today and late word of Rick Warren sounding impressed with Huck complicates things. Rudy and Huckabee have made nice so far out of mutual interest in hurting Romney but Huck’s gaining on him in Florida, which is Giuliani’s must-have. He wants Mitt taken out in Iowa but not at the price of launching a Huckabee juggernaut. Will he attack Huck tonight or will he and Mitt continue their feud, leaving McCain to position himself as the statesman above the fray? As for Fred, the snowman’s already got one of his tough questions lined up for him. Here’s a better question: Dude?
While you wait, go see the latest dirty trick being played in Iowa. This one’s a twofer; Ace thinks Huckabee’s behind it, but only because he wants him to be. Take a look at this too. The Democrats are once again way ahead of the new media curve, although the GOP shouldn’t have much trouble replicating it. Finally, the Hammer’s down in Petersburg tonight interviewing whichever campaign spokesmen she can corral. Why Townhall would waste her creativity on running around to get the same soundbites the cable news nets will have later is beyond me, but she’s always worth watching. Here she is with Team Rudy and with Team Romney.
Finally, a valentine to Mitt from the Republican Majority for Choice. I didn’t even know they existed. Click the image to watch.
Update: If you’re not watching, tune in now because they’re going at it hammer and tongs on immigration. Video later
Update: Here’s the bloodsport video between Mitt and Rudy.
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Goldwater once said “you dont have to be straight you just have to shoot straight” Even this guy admitted that he didn’t admit his preference until he left the military meaning he knew it would be detrimental to morale.
Joey1974 on November 28, 2007 at 9:52 PM
AZCON on November 28, 2007 at 9:52 PM
g.r.o.a.n
Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 9:53 PM
it isn’t very tactical…the bracelet
ColdBore76 on November 28, 2007 at 9:53 PM
As a vet, I concur.
STFU and STFD.
wccawa on November 28, 2007 at 9:53 PM
Chuck Norris!!!
askheaves on November 28, 2007 at 9:53 PM
My goodness. Huck is gold tonite. GOLD!
meandchi on November 28, 2007 at 9:53 PM
ColdBore76 on November 28, 2007 at 9:50 PM
How will we ever stand up to the terrorists if we cant stand up to some fly girls shakin’ their thangs all over the hizouse? Hmmm?
Big S on November 28, 2007 at 9:54 PM
wccawa,
roger that.
ColdBore76 on November 28, 2007 at 9:54 PM
RW_theoriginal-
They really, really care about what Generals think when they are bashing Republican candidates.
Buy Danish on November 28, 2007 at 9:55 PM
All I got to say about the gay question is something from past experience. Back in the 60’s we had a gay guy in our unit. That wasn’t a term we used then, but…. He didn’t flaunt it, everybody and I mean everybody knew it and we didn’t care. He pulled his weight, he stood his watches and we just didn’t give a $hit. Most times we were all too tired or too scared to think about it. It just didn’t matter.
Oldnuke on November 28, 2007 at 9:56 PM
Big S,
Touche…Fo`shizzle
ColdBore76 on November 28, 2007 at 9:56 PM
It’s so obviuos what CNN is doing. A lot of standards Conservatives believe in are not all lovey/dovey and feel-good. But they do make sense and work. Liberal ideologies always sound better in soundbytes.
so CNN is gonna jam everything down the throats of these guys that they can to make them pander to every little group there is.
Vincenzo on November 28, 2007 at 9:56 PM
What a friggin’ circus this stupid debate is.
Bad Candy on November 28, 2007 at 9:56 PM
If we can send one You Tube questioner to Mars why can’t we send them all?
RW_theoriginal on November 28, 2007 at 9:57 PM
The mars society?
bnelson44 on November 28, 2007 at 9:57 PM
ColdBore76 on November 28, 2007 at 9:56 PM
Oh, SNAP!
Big S on November 28, 2007 at 9:57 PM
I hope someone ties this mars question to Kucinich finally getting a ride home.
Weight of Glory on November 28, 2007 at 9:57 PM
Please. Someone. Kick this Mars boys’ azz.
wccawa on November 28, 2007 at 9:57 PM
Huck is on fire, man.
salmonczar on November 28, 2007 at 9:57 PM
lol
Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 9:58 PM
TWO Snaps….shoooot
ColdBore76 on November 28, 2007 at 9:58 PM
Gawd…
Huck. Mo’ money. Mo’ money. Mo’ money.
wccawa on November 28, 2007 at 9:58 PM
Tanc for the win again.
Vincenzo on November 28, 2007 at 9:58 PM
model 94 32 winchester special, 12 guage Browning pump with a slug in the chamber.
AZCON on November 28, 2007 at 9:59 PM
Huck got close, but sent Hillary. Mars probably wasn’t far enough out there to bring Kucinich to mind.
RW_theoriginal on November 28, 2007 at 9:59 PM
Tanc is at the plate;
It’s a high fastball over the middle…
CRACK!!!
wccawa on November 28, 2007 at 9:59 PM
Tanc should have come out with a Patton-esque, helmet on his head…steel pot.
ColdBore76 on November 28, 2007 at 9:59 PM
1. Huck
1. Mitt
3. Rudy
4. Rest of the pack
5. McCain
Just my $.02
Oldnuke on November 28, 2007 at 9:59 PM
God, please not Huck…
Bad Candy on November 28, 2007 at 10:00 PM
why don’t we vote for you?
because you listen to Al Sharton and Jesse Jackson instead of Alan Keyes
Joey1974 on November 28, 2007 at 10:00 PM
Heh. You’re right. Hillary does belong on the Red Planet.
Weight of Glory on November 28, 2007 at 10:00 PM
Blacks vote Dem because Dems are the party of free handouts.
salmonczar on November 28, 2007 at 10:01 PM
HAHA The red planet….Someone make sure she packs her hammer and sickle
ColdBore76 on November 28, 2007 at 10:01 PM
Heh! Didn’t say I’d vote for him. Didn’t even say he’s gonna be it. Just seems to me that he came out on top of this lame A$$ debate.
Oldnuke on November 28, 2007 at 10:01 PM
I am inclined for Huck over Mitt, just due to Huck’s ability to think on his feet over Mitt’s. Mitt could have taken the “if you want someone who has never admitted making a mistake” and turned it into a hillary slam. I also don’t think he has a mean bone in his body, needs a little more agression.
drewmesq on November 28, 2007 at 10:02 PM
Huck, throwing cold water. How about Condi, etc.
Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 10:02 PM
good flag answer from Mitt
bnelson44 on November 28, 2007 at 10:03 PM
Oh my, “all things to all people” The HUCKSTER is a huckster!
:(
mustang1 on November 28, 2007 at 10:03 PM
I know…I was lamenting.
Bad Candy on November 28, 2007 at 10:03 PM
Paul has the best video…I hate that I just typed that.
ColdBore76 on November 28, 2007 at 10:04 PM
Ron Paul has a good ad team
eucher on November 28, 2007 at 10:04 PM
dammit
eucher on November 28, 2007 at 10:04 PM
Okay, I’m gonna sound dumb. What is the deal with the ‘evol’ part of the revolution with RP?
Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 10:05 PM
Wow, that infrastructure question was a real decent question…finally.
Bad Candy on November 28, 2007 at 10:05 PM
“Love” spelled backwards.
Vizzini on November 28, 2007 at 10:06 PM
It’s LOVE Backwards MAN….PEACE FOREVER!!!RON’S SPACESHIP IS WATING…HIDE HIDE HIDE AMERICA
ColdBore76 on November 28, 2007 at 10:06 PM
Thanks, Vizzini
Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 10:06 PM
Ron Paul is speaking — the other candidates are not even trying to hide their chuckles anymore
eucher on November 28, 2007 at 10:07 PM
I don’t know, and I don’t want to sound dumb either so I’m glad you asked.
Buy Danish on November 28, 2007 at 10:07 PM
HaHa, I love it.
ColdBore76 on November 28, 2007 at 10:07 PM
What kind of weird mirror structure is behind that question ask-er?
ColdBore76 on November 28, 2007 at 10:08 PM
Wow. Giuliani won the point and just lost the debate.
wccawa on November 28, 2007 at 10:08 PM
Reverse the spelling.
‘evol’ becomes ‘love’.
More hippy dippy than conservative.
IMHO it’s stupid.
Timothy S. Carlson on November 28, 2007 at 10:09 PM
Anderson Cooper really does a good job with time management doesn’t he? /sarc
RW_theoriginal on November 28, 2007 at 10:09 PM
Paul is able to advertise. He is getting more exposure tonight than ever before.
bnelson44 on November 28, 2007 at 10:09 PM
As my kid would say, are you cereal? Make evol not war I guess.
Buy Danish on November 28, 2007 at 10:09 PM
Still voting for Fred!
Go Fred!
AZCON on November 28, 2007 at 10:10 PM
Exposure is irrelevant, God-willing–the the primary voters will hire an adult…not Ron Paul
ColdBore76 on November 28, 2007 at 10:10 PM
Romney drops the ball again it was 86 years not 87
Joey1974 on November 28, 2007 at 10:10 PM
Yeah, and I think his numbers are going to creep up after this.
Weight of Glory on November 28, 2007 at 10:11 PM
Lol, I love that 4 championships line. And I hate the Yankees.
Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 10:11 PM
Huck
Rudy / Mitt
McCain / Paul
Thompson
Tant.
Just my $.02
bnelson44 on November 28, 2007 at 10:11 PM
Mitt did well, and so did Huck
BacaDog on November 28, 2007 at 10:12 PM
The polls have never been accurate in the 11th hour, nor have the political pundits.
ColdBore76 on November 28, 2007 at 10:12 PM
Paul gets way too much face time. Thanks Anderson.
Buy Danish on November 28, 2007 at 10:12 PM
Well, not bad. Much better then I expected save for the extended intro and the mini-lecture in the middle.
Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 10:12 PM
Hey, at Ace’s comments, someone linked The Corner found our Gay General is part of Hillary’s Gay Steering committee.
Bad Candy on November 28, 2007 at 10:13 PM
Glad there weren’t any snowmen. Well run overall.
Vizzini on November 28, 2007 at 10:13 PM
Stick a fork in Fred – he’s done.
Unless he rips Paul’s throat out on stage – then I might change my mind…
Timothy S. Carlson on November 28, 2007 at 10:13 PM
No doubt the Paulites will call it a surge. Probably put it on their blimp.
bnelson44 on November 28, 2007 at 10:13 PM
Bad Candy on November 28, 2007 at 10:13 PM
What a shocker.
Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 10:13 PM
Nice, I love the swarming killa bees of the investigative branch..
ColdBore76 on November 28, 2007 at 10:13 PM
Next debate will be Set in A CAGE, with SPIKES and Random Mid-Evil weapons will be dropped therein—every 55 seconds.
ColdBore76 on November 28, 2007 at 10:15 PM
If he gets people to read backwards like that, it’s said EVIL on the top of the screen the whole time.
RW_theoriginal on November 28, 2007 at 10:15 PM
Well, I know I’m going to be laughed off this thread for this, but it’s getting past my bedtime anyway. So here-goes:
1) Hunter
2) Tanc.
3) Paul
4) Fred
5) Mitt
6) Huck
7) McCain
8) Rudy
Based on this debate only
Weight of Glory on November 28, 2007 at 10:15 PM
I don’t think Fred did badly, I would like to have seen a little more face time for him. I felt like Romney got an insane amount of time.
Verbal Abuse on November 28, 2007 at 10:16 PM
Heh.
Weight of Glory on November 28, 2007 at 10:16 PM
I like Tanc..Everyone else save the passive Paul can be on the ticket
ColdBore76 on November 28, 2007 at 10:17 PM
Thought Mitt did the worst…an absolute waffle on the waterboarding issue and gays in the military.
Ron Paul continues to prove he’s nutty.
I can’t stand when Tancredo goes off on his one-note immigration position. Saying that, when he talked about other issues on the stage, he sounded entirely reasonable, and I found myself agreeing with him.
Didn’t like Duncan Hunter, the few times he got to speak.
Continue to prefer Rudy.
Fred, McCain and Huckabee did a good job.
asc85 on November 28, 2007 at 10:17 PM
Now, that’s interesting. Can’t wait to see what comes of that.
Weight of Glory on November 28, 2007 at 10:18 PM
Is there a way for AP to add a poll that only Hot Air users can vote in?
Vizzini on November 28, 2007 at 10:20 PM
I thought Mitt LOOKED the most presidential. Thompson was better than I imagined he’d be. Rudy did good, too. Ron Paul is really scary…but only because I agree with some of his views!!
CNN is so obviously biased, though. They would never ask the democrat candidates questions (good, tough ones!) like this!
SouthernGent on November 28, 2007 at 10:20 PM
I thought Mitt’s non-disclosure of techniques answer was solid…I can’t believe McCain is just willy-nilly granting dirt-bag Tangos Geneva protection!?!? other than that I think he’d be a shoe-in.
ColdBore76 on November 28, 2007 at 10:20 PM
Ron Paul sounds as though he’s millimeters from crying every time he opens his mouth. Call the Whaaambulance.
ColdBore76 on November 28, 2007 at 10:22 PM
HA! whaaambulance! Heh. Joe Dirt, right?
Weight of Glory on November 28, 2007 at 10:23 PM
That’s good for us though. Hopefully it’ll help us pick a better candidate.
Esthier on November 28, 2007 at 10:24 PM
Winner….Huck (not my man)
Loser…..The libertarian
Also ran..Everyone else.
Limerick on November 28, 2007 at 10:25 PM
You got it Weight of Glory…
Where did that handle come from ?
ColdBore76 on November 28, 2007 at 10:27 PM
I liked Mitt’s answer on the water boarding issue, but the gays in the military answer was weak.
I can’t remember a single thing Fred said.
Buy Danish on November 28, 2007 at 10:30 PM
Bennett just broke the news about the gay general. Ha Ha.
Buy Danish on November 28, 2007 at 10:32 PM
What?
bnelson44 on November 28, 2007 at 10:33 PM
I missed the first half, but fail to see how Romney could be seen as having done well here. Yes, he’s a good speaker, but the content of his speech? Not so good. Waffle, dodge, waffle, repeat.
Hollowpoint on November 28, 2007 at 10:36 PM
And they totally screwed Fred on time- at least in the second half. Hell, Hunter got more time.
Hollowpoint on November 28, 2007 at 10:37 PM
The Gay General is part of the Hildebeest’s Gay Steering Committee.
Bad Candy on November 28, 2007 at 10:38 PM
Thanks
bnelson44 on November 28, 2007 at 10:39 PM
What the hell? They asked a lady who she’d go with from their focus group, and she said Silky? This is such a stupid charade.
Bad Candy on November 28, 2007 at 10:42 PM
My take: Huck played like a first tier candidate. Possibly my perception is skewed by how much commentary on him here and in MSM lately, but I don’t think so. He’s going to be a force from here on out. He is just too quotable and the press loves him. Both on display tonight.
Rudy did okay. The question about ‘always 9.11′ was good for him. Set himself up to expand to the Reagan years. Very bad answer on guns – he cleared up in the followup, but the initial answer was very poor. Great ad.
Mitt triangulated more than usual tonight, not impressed. Had the best single line though, with the ‘I was wrong’. Very good answer. Also had the worst line with ‘my son buys me expensive things’ but during a cutaway, so maybe won’t hurt. I would point out for all the don’t say China people in the crowd, he put China in his ad.
McCain hurts himself. Even when I agree with him and on the points where he is technically correct (Geneva, etc) it’s like he tries to piss people off (Pol Pot/Martinez?) ugh.
Fred, luke-warm. I don’t want to sound too critical of him, because having failed my expectations I might be harder then on others. But I think the days of him being a factor are numbered.
Hunter steady as ever. Tanc solid – better job then last time.
Paul – I thought that conspiracy question was going to kill him with some one – either the conspiracy fans or the mainstream, but he jumped out of that like Luke out of the carbon freezer. I was surprised and a little impressed with that. Also drew the distinction b/t non-intervention and isolationist. I hate it when he uses the word empire, though, as he did in the ad.
Winners (no part order): Huck, Rudy, Hunter, Paul
No change: Fred, Mitt, Tanc (though he might be the big winner in the grand scheme seeing they are pledging taking his positions on i.imm)
Losers: McCain
Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 10:42 PM
Bill Bennett [Kathryn Jean Lopez]
called a foul on the Hillary plant question. Anderson Cooper sounded shocked and appalled. Anderson Cooper has to assign someone to read The Corner.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Mjc0ZmFjMWViNmQzNDUzMmRmNDIyMzYyY2RhNGYyYTk=
bnelson44 on November 28, 2007 at 10:43 PM
Campaign Spot: It Was One of the Worst Debates. McCain Won It, For What It’s Worth.
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/
bnelson44 on November 28, 2007 at 10:45 PM
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