Open thread: The snowman cometh; Update: Bloodsport
posted at 7:14 pm on November 28, 2007 by Allahpundit
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I sense a great disturbance in the ’sphere for this one. The polls are in flux, the tone has turned negative, and we’ve got a bona fide freak show format on tap. 8 p.m. on CNN: anything can happen. MM and Bryan are going to take liveblogging to the next level tonight, but if you’re not commenting over there then go on and sound off below. I might actually watch this one, so good are the odds that we’re in for bloodsport.
In theory everyone’s gunning for Mitt but the shock poll from earlier today and late word of Rick Warren sounding impressed with Huck complicates things. Rudy and Huckabee have made nice so far out of mutual interest in hurting Romney but Huck’s gaining on him in Florida, which is Giuliani’s must-have. He wants Mitt taken out in Iowa but not at the price of launching a Huckabee juggernaut. Will he attack Huck tonight or will he and Mitt continue their feud, leaving McCain to position himself as the statesman above the fray? As for Fred, the snowman’s already got one of his tough questions lined up for him. Here’s a better question: Dude?
While you wait, go see the latest dirty trick being played in Iowa. This one’s a twofer; Ace thinks Huckabee’s behind it, but only because he wants him to be. Take a look at this too. The Democrats are once again way ahead of the new media curve, although the GOP shouldn’t have much trouble replicating it. Finally, the Hammer’s down in Petersburg tonight interviewing whichever campaign spokesmen she can corral. Why Townhall would waste her creativity on running around to get the same soundbites the cable news nets will have later is beyond me, but she’s always worth watching. Here she is with Team Rudy and with Team Romney.
Finally, a valentine to Mitt from the Republican Majority for Choice. I didn’t even know they existed. Click the image to watch.
Update: If you’re not watching, tune in now because they’re going at it hammer and tongs on immigration. Video later
Update: Here’s the bloodsport video between Mitt and Rudy.
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At least the Republicans aren’t looking at the You Tube screen when they answer like the Democrats were.
RW_theoriginal on November 28, 2007 at 8:46 PM
Why was that idiot eating while asking a question. That was not very respectful to the candidates. I hate this stupid format.
Vincenzo on November 28, 2007 at 8:47 PM
It was corn apparently
muyoso on November 28, 2007 at 8:48 PM
Renewable energy, pie in the sky. Doesn’t exist. Panacea for the masses.
Oldnuke on November 28, 2007 at 8:48 PM
they just sandbagged giuliani.
Vincenzo on November 28, 2007 at 8:48 PM
Why it’s we the people comedy hour.
Buy Danish on November 28, 2007 at 8:49 PM
Yeah, that was pretty crappy to subvert their own format when it was expedient for them to do so, and then to do it only with one candidate.
Weight of Glory on November 28, 2007 at 8:52 PM
Oh! Great line by Fred.
Weight of Glory on November 28, 2007 at 8:52 PM
Fred is going negative.
Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 8:53 PM
lol
Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 8:53 PM
Fred’s commercial was… ballsy.
salmonczar on November 28, 2007 at 8:54 PM
Nice video by Fred.
wccawa on November 28, 2007 at 8:54 PM
Romney’s best answer of the night. Strong and sincere. Impressive.
Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 8:54 PM
Fred sandbags Romney.
This is like one big gang of sandbaggin’ sons of bi**es.
Vincenzo on November 28, 2007 at 8:54 PM
Why did they play the Battle Hymn of the Republic?
The CNN producers have probably never read the lyrics.
“I’m not going to be apologizing to people for becoming pro-life”. Touche’ Mitt.
Buy Danish on November 28, 2007 at 8:54 PM
Fred’s commercial was too short.
Darksean on November 28, 2007 at 8:54 PM
Heh. It was that!
Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 8:54 PM
Yes.
Weight of Glory on November 28, 2007 at 8:54 PM
Huck’s response was lame.
Darksean on November 28, 2007 at 8:55 PM
Whoa, haymaker by Fred.
Vizzini on November 28, 2007 at 8:55 PM
It was the background of Tancredo’s video. And he played it because it is (by many) considered the Rep’ anthem. (Most famously played at Reagan’s funeral)
Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 8:56 PM
Ditto! Good line by Fred leading up to it too.
RW_theoriginal on November 28, 2007 at 8:56 PM
I can’t fault Romney on abortion. I was pro-choice (it wouldn’t be my choice, but who am I to tell you what to do?) until I felt my baby move in my belly. Anyone can have an epiphany.
ctmom on November 28, 2007 at 8:56 PM
Freddo: Why are you asking me? Those are their words!
Big score, notwithstanding Mitt’s response. That will weight heavily on Mitt in the future.
wccawa on November 28, 2007 at 8:57 PM
Lord Fred layed an egg with the answer after having landed a left hook with the campaign.
Theworldisnotenough on November 28, 2007 at 8:57 PM
So far it’s been a good debate. McCain is looking pretty strong tonight, with Fred not too far behind. Guliani and Romney should mud wrestle!
whtabtbill on November 28, 2007 at 8:58 PM
Even if Ron Paul does get “the most of any candidate,” that’s just because the actual lion share is being split among 4 top tier candidates … oops better make that 5, now that Huckabee is getting “kicked in the pants” occasionally.
eucher on November 28, 2007 at 8:58 PM
Fred does not have the lingo down, if he wants to have a net centered campaign he shopuld be reading hotair not an aid.
Theworldisnotenough on November 28, 2007 at 8:58 PM
I agree he should have had a witty reply ready, but “it’s their words”, weren’t too shabby neither.
omnipotent on November 28, 2007 at 8:59 PM
I love that “gun” Youtube question.
Weight of Glory on November 28, 2007 at 9:00 PM
Wasn’t that gun vid in the Dem debate?
Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 9:00 PM
I was slaving over the stove during the Tancredo part so I missed the visual.
The Battle Hymn of the Republic was written by my (I’ll never say how many Great’s are involved) Aunt, so I kinda perk up when I hear it
Buy Danish on November 28, 2007 at 9:01 PM
I’m smelling a LOOOOONG Guiliani fall after this debate.
wccawa on November 28, 2007 at 9:02 PM
Not a good answer, Rudy. Leaves the impression of connecting guns and criminality.
Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 9:02 PM
Man, Rudy is hurting with this gun question.
Weight of Glory on November 28, 2007 at 9:03 PM
Mrs. Howe, is that right? I love that song, stirs the ole blood:)
Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 9:03 PM
Word.
salmonczar on November 28, 2007 at 9:03 PM
Fred! is on f*cking FIRE baby!
omnipotent on November 28, 2007 at 9:05 PM
Mrs. Julia Ward Howe. Who said anything about old blood? :)
Buy Danish on November 28, 2007 at 9:05 PM
The gun collection question is SO the Republican version of ‘boxers or briefs’.
McCain: I had a gun in Vietnam. I was in Vietnam. Did you know that?
Paul: I have a squirt gun!
salmonczar on November 28, 2007 at 9:06 PM
Okay, does Fred own a gun? Or was that a side-slip… serious question.
Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 9:06 PM
Freddo! Sweet!
Now the candidates drop drawers and compare guns. Pathetic. Most interesting that McCain sez he doesn’t own a gun.
wccawa on November 28, 2007 at 9:06 PM
“It feels like the Taliban is right outside the door”
give me a break
Joey1974 on November 28, 2007 at 9:06 PM
Oy. My blood, not yours. You look 10 years younger than you are (unless you are 20, haha)
Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 9:07 PM
Jeez, how about if black guys just stop killing each other? Does government have to do everything?
ctmom on November 28, 2007 at 9:08 PM
For the record: .45, Springfield Armory XD, Compact.
Weight of Glory on November 28, 2007 at 9:08 PM
Rudy is swinging.
Esthier on November 28, 2007 at 9:08 PM
Giuliani and McCain are the only two people not afraid to really speak their minds.
let’s be honest, fred thomspon doesn’t own any guns. but he couldn’t say it, or he thought he’d look like a wuss.
Vincenzo on November 28, 2007 at 9:08 PM
Mitt sure is “proud” a lot.
Guardian on November 28, 2007 at 9:08 PM
I got to give props to this debate. These are some badass questions from real Americans.
I know everyone bashed on the youtube format, but you know what? Any format that takes the questioning away from Wolfie and crew is a good format.
e-pirate on November 28, 2007 at 9:09 PM
Jeez, how about if black guys just stop killing each other? Does government have to do everything?
ctmom on November 28, 2007 at 9:08 PM
AMEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TOUCHDOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Joey1974 on November 28, 2007 at 9:09 PM
lol, because he said his son buys him expensive things (in the gun answer)
Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 9:10 PM
What a lame hypothetical question.
salmonczar on November 28, 2007 at 9:10 PM
You said it.
salmonczar on November 28, 2007 at 9:11 PM
Paulites are not too crazy about Paul’s thoughts on abortion.
bnelson44 on November 28, 2007 at 9:11 PM
For the Record, Standard 6-shot revolver cap-gun, cylinder…gray, barrel cap…orange, cap-ammo…red, handle-plastic-wood-colored brown..
ColdBore76 on November 28, 2007 at 9:11 PM
Heh. For the record…er…*cough*…
.22 S&W semi-auto…
Slublog on November 28, 2007 at 9:12 PM
hehe
ColdBore76 on November 28, 2007 at 9:13 PM
9mm Beretta and Browning .22 pistol (that sticks all the time).
* wag wag wag *
askheaves on November 28, 2007 at 9:13 PM
anything is better than a 32 auto
ColdBore76 on November 28, 2007 at 9:13 PM
Giuliani is gonna drop like a friggin’ rock. Even when he gives a good answer, he sabotages it.
wccawa on November 28, 2007 at 9:14 PM
But I have a concealed carry permit.
That’s got to count for something, right?
Slublog on November 28, 2007 at 9:14 PM
Christ’s commands were not directed towards govt. policy. So to ask what would Jesus do concerning the death penalty is silly, and only holds rhetorical value.
Weight of Glory on November 28, 2007 at 9:15 PM
oh yeah…packin’ heat yo.
ColdBore76 on November 28, 2007 at 9:15 PM
So much for Huckabee being a real Christian.
For the record, I’m against the death penalty, and I’m a card carrying Catholic and Republican.
Vincenzo on November 28, 2007 at 9:15 PM
For the record.
Phased-plasma rifle in the forty watt range. With a renewable power supply, you know eco-friendly.
Oldnuke on November 28, 2007 at 9:15 PM
Cause ya’ earn the death penalty.
Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 9:15 PM
Did the entire Republican base go insane today, or is it just my imagination? Half of the comments on this board are nuts, which is pretty good compared to the other blogs I’ve checked. I think the combination of the simultaneous miniscandals that broke over the past few days and the rise of Huck have made the right wing go bat$#!+ crazy.
Big S on November 28, 2007 at 9:16 PM
Huck just answered Allah
bnelson44 on November 28, 2007 at 9:16 PM
How do you reconcile that Vincenzo? Are you pro-life?
ColdBore76 on November 28, 2007 at 9:16 PM
You beat me. It’s kind of expensive here in TX for one. So I’m saving my pennies.
Weight of Glory on November 28, 2007 at 9:16 PM
re: Bible question
That was an ‘oh shit’ look on Rudy’s face if I ever saw one.
salmonczar on November 28, 2007 at 9:17 PM
Giulliani gave a good Catholic answer about the Bible.
bnelson44 on November 28, 2007 at 9:17 PM
Hey, let’s go right to Giuliani on the Bible question. Once again, he’s honest. Do you hear that politicians? He’s HONEST.
Vincenzo on November 28, 2007 at 9:18 PM
Really? I figured it would be pretty easy to get down there. Here in Maine, it’s $35.
Slublog on November 28, 2007 at 9:18 PM
Did the entire Republican base go insane today, or is it just my imagination? Half of the comments on this board are nuts, which is pretty good compared to the other blogs I’ve checked
WHICH HALF??????
Joey1974 on November 28, 2007 at 9:18 PM
re: Bible question
That was an ‘oh $#!t’ look on Rudy’s face if I ever saw one.
salmonczar on November 28, 2007 at 9:18 PM
Mitt tell us about the Book of Mormon (Mitt is avoiding the question)
bnelson44 on November 28, 2007 at 9:18 PM
Heh!
Weight of Glory on November 28, 2007 at 9:18 PM
Oooo… Mitt is having a tough time there…
askheaves on November 28, 2007 at 9:18 PM
yes, I’m pro-life.
Vincenzo on November 28, 2007 at 9:18 PM
Giuliani is losing the Christian right by droves every five seconds X however long this debate goes on.
That sound you hear is the vacuum left as the last remaining Christian conservative leaves him.
wccawa on November 28, 2007 at 9:18 PM
Blech, what is with this crap? We’re electing a damn president, not a Pope.
Bad Candy on November 28, 2007 at 9:19 PM
Kinda nice having a minister on the stage to help the candidates.
bnelson44 on November 28, 2007 at 9:19 PM
You beat me. It’s kind of expensive here in TX for one. So I’m saving my pennies.
Really? I figured it would be pretty easy to get down there. Here in Maine, it’s $35.
Slublog,
I heard a Maine Carry Permit has reciprocity with a crap-ton of other states in our great union…true?
ColdBore76 on November 28, 2007 at 9:19 PM
I thought mitt romney beleives Jesus was in America?
Am i wrong?
Vincenzo on November 28, 2007 at 9:19 PM
Damn. Go Huck.
^—– oops…
askheaves on November 28, 2007 at 9:20 PM
V,
Don’t you see the contradiction in being pro-life while at the same time anti-death penalty?
ColdBore76 on November 28, 2007 at 9:20 PM
No, no, it’s easy, but its also expensive. About 100 bucks for the 8 hour course, then about 250 for all the state stuff. My gun cost 550, so I’m in the hole for the permit.
Weight of Glory on November 28, 2007 at 9:20 PM
Honestly, I’m not sure which states have reciprocity. There are a few, though.
Slublog on November 28, 2007 at 9:20 PM
Mitt’s commercial looks like it is selling investment funds.
bnelson44 on November 28, 2007 at 9:20 PM
re: Bible question
Huck and Rudy give pretty much the same answer. Huck a lot smoother.
meandchi on November 28, 2007 at 9:21 PM
No. Could you enlighten me?
Vincenzo on November 28, 2007 at 9:21 PM
Ah…I paid $80 for the course, then the $35 for the permit.
Maine is a gun state, and yet still deep blue.
Slublog on November 28, 2007 at 9:21 PM
I agree. Huck’s answer was rockin’.
salmonczar on November 28, 2007 at 9:22 PM
He’s a Baptist preacher, had lots more practice.
Oldnuke on November 28, 2007 at 9:22 PM
Maybe I’m reading a little too much into the bible question but did it seem like that he was asking not just about the bible but the King James Version of the Bible?
theovermind99 on November 28, 2007 at 9:22 PM
How can Huckabee be a man of God when he supports the death penalty?
Vincenzo on November 28, 2007 at 9:22 PM
Mormons claim that to restore the true Church and true gospel to the earth, in 1820 God the Father and Jesus Christ appeared to Joseph Smith in a grove of trees near his home. They told him that all professing Christians on the face of the earth were abominable and corrupt and that the true Church, having died out completely shortly after it began, was to be restored by Smith.
bnelson44 on November 28, 2007 at 9:23 PM
Okay, Rudy’s commercial cracked me up.
salmonczar on November 28, 2007 at 9:23 PM
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