Open thread: The snowman cometh; Update: Bloodsport
posted at 7:14 pm on November 28, 2007 by Allahpundit
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I sense a great disturbance in the ’sphere for this one. The polls are in flux, the tone has turned negative, and we’ve got a bona fide freak show format on tap. 8 p.m. on CNN: anything can happen. MM and Bryan are going to take liveblogging to the next level tonight, but if you’re not commenting over there then go on and sound off below. I might actually watch this one, so good are the odds that we’re in for bloodsport.
In theory everyone’s gunning for Mitt but the shock poll from earlier today and late word of Rick Warren sounding impressed with Huck complicates things. Rudy and Huckabee have made nice so far out of mutual interest in hurting Romney but Huck’s gaining on him in Florida, which is Giuliani’s must-have. He wants Mitt taken out in Iowa but not at the price of launching a Huckabee juggernaut. Will he attack Huck tonight or will he and Mitt continue their feud, leaving McCain to position himself as the statesman above the fray? As for Fred, the snowman’s already got one of his tough questions lined up for him. Here’s a better question: Dude?
While you wait, go see the latest dirty trick being played in Iowa. This one’s a twofer; Ace thinks Huckabee’s behind it, but only because he wants him to be. Take a look at this too. The Democrats are once again way ahead of the new media curve, although the GOP shouldn’t have much trouble replicating it. Finally, the Hammer’s down in Petersburg tonight interviewing whichever campaign spokesmen she can corral. Why Townhall would waste her creativity on running around to get the same soundbites the cable news nets will have later is beyond me, but she’s always worth watching. Here she is with Team Rudy and with Team Romney.
Finally, a valentine to Mitt from the Republican Majority for Choice. I didn’t even know they existed. Click the image to watch.
Update: If you’re not watching, tune in now because they’re going at it hammer and tongs on immigration. Video later
Update: Here’s the bloodsport video between Mitt and Rudy.
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William Amos on November 28, 2007 at 7:18 PM
OK, since this is an open thread Allahpundit needs to do penance for the Hitch thread, Allahpundit go to my web site and listen to my music until your sins are paid for. That ought to take listening to all the songs at least 100 times…
doriangrey on November 28, 2007 at 7:19 PM
So, which thread are we doing?
steveegg on November 28, 2007 at 7:20 PM
It’s not started yet. So I can cheer for a good debate, some righteous smackdown on CNN and stupidity, and a win by my man Mitt.
Vanceone on November 28, 2007 at 7:20 PM
So what if Ron Paul wins? Electronic Voting machines, 12 year old hackers . .
- The Cat
MirCat on November 28, 2007 at 7:21 PM
500 points for first republican who uses phase “Nutcase” in responce to a question
William Amos on November 28, 2007 at 7:25 PM
He’s a self-professed beta male. Hasn’t he suffered enough?!?
Slublog on November 28, 2007 at 7:26 PM
I agree. And that we learned the other day that AP is most likely bald (in a non-voluntary way) too, I think we need to take it easy on him. :P
lorien1973 on November 28, 2007 at 7:30 PM
Hmmm, let me think, I have a horrible image of the Hitch mostly naked in stirrups burned into the back of my mind, ummm, no…No he hasn’t…I will be suffering terrible nightmare for god knows how long, no he definitely needs to do much much more suffering…
doriangrey on November 28, 2007 at 7:31 PM
My predictions:
1.) McCain is the one to go after Romney the hardest. Mitt’s had a rough couple of days, and the two of them seem to genuinely dislike each other.
2.) Thompson goes after Giuliani. He won’t win Iowa, but beating the “national frontrunner” there is about his best hope to claim a moral victory. My bet is he focuses on guns.
3.) CNN will choose a question about either stem cells or the Fair Tax, sparking a heated debate between Huckabee and Romney
4.) Mansoor Ijaz will make a video cameo showing Romney’s answer to the muslim question (just kidding.)
Big S on November 28, 2007 at 7:33 PM
Sounds about right, but I think Thompson will likely make a comment or two aimed at Huckabee, either on taxation or immigration.
Slublog on November 28, 2007 at 7:35 PM
Link mania!
Answers: Rudy continues against Mitt despite Huck’s rise because Mitt is a 3 state player, Huck just one so far. And does Warren help Huck? Warren has a rep for hanging out with less then conservative people doesn’t he? 40 days of purposeful campaigning, coming right up!
Absolutely:)
Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 7:38 PM
Did Chuck Norris post a question?
- The Cat
MirCat on November 28, 2007 at 7:39 PM
It has been suggested that this is Fred Gettysburg, he either draws a hard line and comes out with all his guns a blazing or discovers his name is Robert E Lee.
doriangrey on November 28, 2007 at 7:39 PM
Answer to why MKH is down in St. Pete; she’s a people person.
Unfortunately, I’m not.
steveegg on November 28, 2007 at 7:39 PM
5.) Hugh Hewitt will declare Romney the winner.
6.) You’ll hear the name “Obama” a few more times than usual.
7.) Bonus issue of the night: trade protectionism.
Big S on November 28, 2007 at 7:43 PM
That’s hardly a prediction!
Weight of Glory on November 28, 2007 at 7:54 PM
Sounds like “Catholics for a Free Choice” in that it is a complete oxymoron. They are likely neither Republican, nor a Majority, nor do they care about choice as much as they do unlimited abortion on demand.
How to make them not an oxymoron: Make them pro-second amendment and pro-school vouchers.
BKennedy on November 28, 2007 at 7:55 PM
lol, true true.
Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 7:56 PM
The O’Reilly Factor is far more entertaining and informative than rehashed questions from clowns about abortion and fairy weddings. What could possibly be asked that we don’t know? CNNs “normal” citizens will be nothing but Clinton/CNN plants.
roninacreage on November 28, 2007 at 8:01 PM
“This is the people’s debate!”
HA!
Weight of Glory on November 28, 2007 at 8:03 PM
Muted cheers for both rudy and fred…Mitt got the loudest…Pretty good for the Huck.
Weight of Glory on November 28, 2007 at 8:04 PM
Did i hear Tom Cantredo?
askheaves on November 28, 2007 at 8:05 PM
Intros then pics? wierd.
Weight of Glory on November 28, 2007 at 8:05 PM
did that happen with the dems?
Weight of Glory on November 28, 2007 at 8:05 PM
Alright enough with the promotion, let’s get to the real deal.
Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 8:08 PM
the two best candidates are bookended of the damn screen
Joey1974 on November 28, 2007 at 8:08 PM
This is really really really dumb.
Weight of Glory on November 28, 2007 at 8:10 PM
tough question for Rudy right off !!!!!!!!!!
GO BROOKLYN BABY
Joey1974 on November 28, 2007 at 8:11 PM
Hey, AP’s dad!
Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 8:11 PM
70,000 children of illegals!! In one city! Back in the 90’s! Good night!
Weight of Glory on November 28, 2007 at 8:12 PM
Low blow Rudy Sanctuary Mansion in Mass. illegals on the lawn OUCH
Joey1974 on November 28, 2007 at 8:14 PM
fight fight fight
Weight of Glory on November 28, 2007 at 8:15 PM
The dems had a rockstar introduction.
roninacreage on November 28, 2007 at 8:15 PM
We might just get some sparks tonight!
Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 8:15 PM
Wow! Rudy really doesn’t have the crowd in this debate. At least not right now.
Weight of Glory on November 28, 2007 at 8:16 PM
Score
onetwo for Romney versus Rudy on hiring a company to mow your freaking lawn who hire an illegal alien.Buy Danish on November 28, 2007 at 8:17 PM
Go Fred!
roninacreage on November 28, 2007 at 8:17 PM
Enough on this.
Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 8:17 PM
he has no chance to win but Tancredo’s “one issue” seems to be the “one issue” that really fires up the base here. off the side of the screen (where he cannot be seen) the Tanc is smiling.
Joey1974 on November 28, 2007 at 8:18 PM
They are all using Tancredos mantra. But can we believe any of it?
roninacreage on November 28, 2007 at 8:19 PM
Fred supports Tanc’s plan vis a vis sanctuary cities. That’s excellent.
Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 8:19 PM
Ouch! Where Mitt left off Fred picked up. Rudy needs to walk back this idea of tying yourself to anyone you’ve hired in the past.
RW_theoriginal on November 28, 2007 at 8:20 PM
McCain is not helping himself with this answer.
Weight of Glory on November 28, 2007 at 8:21 PM
Rudy’s points right here are well-received, but don’t square with that whole ‘we welcome you here’ thing…
Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 8:21 PM
Illegals are a hot issue here in Florida. They are flooding the state. There are about 10 living in a 3br house just down the street from me.
roninacreage on November 28, 2007 at 8:21 PM
McCain: lying through his teeth.
wccawa on November 28, 2007 at 8:21 PM
McCain is toast.
roninacreage on November 28, 2007 at 8:22 PM
Really McCain? dropping the names Bush and Martinez when discussing the boarders?
Weight of Glory on November 28, 2007 at 8:22 PM
McCain reminds me of an antique ca or something. He acts like he needs a good cranking before he can get started.
btw John, namedropping Mel ain’t gonna help you.
Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 8:22 PM
Fred. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
Cut to the chase already. Oh, you passed a law outlawing sanctuary cities! Do anything about it?
McCain. Heh heh heh. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. My welcome mat says “GO AWAY”.
Buy Danish on November 28, 2007 at 8:22 PM
I love the Tanc.
Weight of Glory on November 28, 2007 at 8:23 PM
me too, honestly.
Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 8:23 PM
low blow scumbag question to Tancredo trying to play the sympathy card what a bunch of crap
Joey1974 on November 28, 2007 at 8:24 PM
hire Americans or go out of business tough shit end of arguement you go TANC!!!!!
Joey1974 on November 28, 2007 at 8:25 PM
YEEAHH Dunc!
Weight of Glory on November 28, 2007 at 8:26 PM
The guys crab business should fail. What a dirtbag. He’s using imported slave labor visas to cut american jobs.
roninacreage on November 28, 2007 at 8:26 PM
Nice job by Tanc. Y’think whoever posed that question on YouTube is gonna get a couple of visitors from the guvmint tomorrow?
wccawa on November 28, 2007 at 8:27 PM
Ashley with a picture of Reagan on the wall. A next gen MKH?
Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 8:27 PM
Thanks. I don’t have cable.
Esthier on November 28, 2007 at 8:28 PM
Did the Huck really say “we want tax payers not tax takers.”
Weight of Glory on November 28, 2007 at 8:29 PM
Outside of the Govt. what is a tax taker?
Weight of Glory on November 28, 2007 at 8:29 PM
Good question about scholarships for illegals for the Huckster, Ashley.
He is claiming that you had to be an A plus student in the system practically since kindergarten.
Fact check?
Touche’ Romney.
Buy Danish on November 28, 2007 at 8:29 PM
Mitt ” thats not your money Mike…….” Nice
Joey1974 on November 28, 2007 at 8:29 PM
Huck just straight up come out and say he supports the Dream Act.
Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 8:29 PM
Huck is going down.
wccawa on November 28, 2007 at 8:30 PM
Mitt is on fire.
Buy Danish on November 28, 2007 at 8:31 PM
I think Mitt handled that whole thing well.
Esthier on November 28, 2007 at 8:32 PM
Cool. Ron Paul question. Please adjust your speakers accordingly.
wccawa on November 28, 2007 at 8:32 PM
Crazy Ron!
Esthier on November 28, 2007 at 8:33 PM
That is the most coherent I’ve heard Ron Paul
Weight of Glory on November 28, 2007 at 8:33 PM
Man, RP answered that question about as well as possible. Ideological struggle. I’m surprised at the eloquence.
Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 8:34 PM
This is a surprisingly good debate. So far, excellent questions.
Slublog on November 28, 2007 at 8:34 PM
Agreed.
wccawa on November 28, 2007 at 8:34 PM
Ron Paul just had a Barry Golwater moment minus the cool glasses
Joey1974 on November 28, 2007 at 8:34 PM
McCain is right on the spending issue.
roninacreage on November 28, 2007 at 8:35 PM
“hope [children] continue to smoke.”
Esthier on November 28, 2007 at 8:35 PM
McCain looks like he wants to rip off the mike and Rambo the big screen.
Limerick on November 28, 2007 at 8:35 PM
Is McCain really talking about the negative influences on Repubs in D.C. due to the “Washington Group Think” problem. This from the guy who did whatever he could to garner favor among those in the D.C. Press Corp?
Weight of Glory on November 28, 2007 at 8:35 PM
+1
Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 8:36 PM
Minus that dumb song at the start, I agree with you.
Weight of Glory on November 28, 2007 at 8:37 PM
T
Agreed, and there will be no potted plants asking the candidates, “Whiskey or beer?”.
Buy Danish on November 28, 2007 at 8:38 PM
How hard could that be? Name three.
Not programs but here’s a good start.
IRS
ATF
UN
Oldnuke on November 28, 2007 at 8:39 PM
Cut the Department of Homeland Security? Ron Paul has had his 15 minutes of fame.
Buy Danish on November 28, 2007 at 8:39 PM
Huck is hitting homers
roninacreage on November 28, 2007 at 8:40 PM
Fred’s not lookin’ good
Medicated on November 28, 2007 at 8:40 PM
If you could add McCain and Paul together (the good points of both) and divide by two, that might be a good candidate.
Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2007 at 8:41 PM
Cut the Department of Homeland Security?
I don’t think Paul thinks we are at war.
bnelson44 on November 28, 2007 at 8:41 PM
I agree with the Huckster on the Fair Tax. That’s not enough for me to vote for him because it doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of passing.
Buy Danish on November 28, 2007 at 8:41 PM
Is it my imagination or are the questions being asked after they’ve already been answered by somebody?
RW_theoriginal on November 28, 2007 at 8:41 PM
If Fred plays this question right, then this could be a home run for him.
Weight of Glory on November 28, 2007 at 8:41 PM
Dang! Why is McCain going back to Paul?
Weight of Glory on November 28, 2007 at 8:42 PM
McCain goes after Paul’s isolationism. Paul nuts don’t like it.
bnelson44 on November 28, 2007 at 8:42 PM
There are potted plants who boo.
Mc Cain finally scores one, but it’s against Paul so it doesn’t matter.
Buy Danish on November 28, 2007 at 8:42 PM
Mc Cain just took a Patriotic dump on Paul’s head
Joey1974 on November 28, 2007 at 8:42 PM
Gotta give it to McCain. He keeps firing even when he’s going down in flames. Sticks to his guns.
Oldnuke on November 28, 2007 at 8:43 PM
Man how much did Youtube pay to get all this free press?
Vincenzo on November 28, 2007 at 8:43 PM
Now Paul repeats the lie that he gets more money from active duty personnel. That is unsupportable by the data.
bnelson44 on November 28, 2007 at 8:44 PM
How can Paul get away with saying that??
Darksean on November 28, 2007 at 8:45 PM
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