Karl Rove: 1 in 20 US workers is here illegally

posted at 2:10 pm on November 28, 2007 by Bryan

That would be 5% of the US workforce. If it’s true, it’s mostly thanks to policies that he and President Bush supported, or it’s because of malignant neglect of US immigration law going back decades, but accelerated on Bush’s watch.

Rove, in a select public appearance, told the crowd of more than 150 gathered at the University of Texas at Tyler on Tuesday that 1 of every 20 workers in the United States is here illegally.

Not from crossing over the Mexican border, he said.

From flying in from another country with a legal visa and overstaying it, he said.

“If you are an illegal alien, you are more likely to be working than if you are a legal U.S. citizen,” Rove said. “People are scared to death that America isn’t going to be American.”

This will require some unpacking. Of the estimate 12 to 20 million illegal aliens currently in the US, NumbersUSA estimates that 69% are Mexican. Did they come to the US by airplane and overstay a legal visa, or did they just walk across the unsecured border without any visa at all, and then obtain fraudulent documents or steal the identities of US citizens and legal immigrants? Regarding Rove’s last quote, that fear is based on the fact that assimilation is no longer asked of immigrants.

Rove wasn’t alone in stumping for illegal aliens. Texas employers and other pols joined in.

“I hear people say we should send those people back to where they came from,” said [Larry] Durrett, president of Jacksonville-based Southern Multifoods and owner of about 30 Taco Bells and KFC restaurants in Fort Worth.

“We can’t. We’d shut down.”

Durrett and others — including former White House adviser Karl Rove and U.S. Sen. John Cornyn of Texas — spoke Tuesday about the need to fix what many call a “broken” immigration system during a Texas Employers for Immigration Reform summit in Tyler.

Many said they hope that any solution will allow workers from other countries to stay here to help meet U.S. work-force needs.

This is the Wall Street Journal side of the open borders debate, which discounts security arguments in favor of keeping the flow of illegals coming to keep wages depressed. Our side has the numbers, but their side is armed with clout and dollars.

Texas Association of Business President Bill Hammond said he believes that three components are crucial to a comprehensive immigration plan:

Border security, which includes allowing enough legal immigrants into Texas to meet the state’s work force needs.

Allowing immigrants already working in the United States to “come out of the shadows” and work here legally.

Creating a new program to help employers easily determine which workers are legally working in the United States, so they don’t have to serve as immigration police.

“Comprehensive immigration reform is essential to the future economy of Texas,” Hammond said. “We are calling on Congress today.”

Caught between the voters’ numbers and big business’ dollars, what’s a poor politician to do?

[Senator John] Cornyn said finding a solution is “a matter of tremendous national importance.”

But he said Congress must have something to go on, to show the direction a majority of U.S. citizens would like the government to follow.

You need something to go on, Senator? How about this?

In Iowa, eighty-six percent of Republicans described immigration as a very or somewhat serious problem facing the country; fifty-nine percent of Democrats said the same thing. The New York Times/CBS News poll PDF; November 2-12, 2007

Sixty-three percent of likely American voters believe illegal immigration is a major problem. McLaughlin & Associates poll; April 12-15, 2007

Seventy-four percent of likely American voters agree with the following statement: “We have to stop the flow of illegals before we address what to do about those who already are here.” McLaughlin & Associates poll; April 12-15, 2007

Fifty-nine percent of Americans polled believe the more effective way to deal with the potential treat to national security posed by millions of illegal immigrants living within the United States is to crack down on illegal immigration by toughening the enforcement of existing laws, deporting illegal immigrants and prosecuting the employers who illegally employ workers.
UPI/Zogby Poll; April 13-16, 2007

Fifty-three percent of California voters favor a policy of rounding-up and deporting illegal aliens.
Field Poll PDF; March 20-31, 2007

Most California voters continue to consider illegal immigration a serious problem, with forty-nine percent rating it very serious and twenty-eight percent somewhat serious.
Field Poll PDF; March 20-31, 2007

Fifty-four percent of Americans polled believe illegal aliens harm the nation’s economy.
Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg Poll; April 5-9, 2007

There’s more where that came from, with links provided for each data point.

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Attrition through enforcement. then hire enough people at ICE to facilitate bringing in people legally to replace the people here illegally. Push ‘em out while bringin’ ‘em in.

Theworldisnotenough on November 28, 2007 at 2:15 PM

It’s really nice to hear that the country has an illegal immigrant problem —– over and over again —– NOW LET’S DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!!!

countywolf on November 28, 2007 at 2:17 PM

Disappointed in Cornyn. I’ve come to trust him on most stuff–this doesn’t sound like him. Maybe he was just trying to sit on the fence (no pun intended) between the business interests who were clearly present at the gathering and are critical to Texas’s prosperity, and what he knows his voters want. It really must be a tough position to be in.

aero on November 28, 2007 at 2:20 PM

“We can’t. We’d shut down.”

Shut ‘em down, ICE.

James on November 28, 2007 at 2:22 PM

1. National ID card
2. issue 2 million temporary (3 year) work visas per year with background check
3. Require renunciation of any other national citizenship to become a US citizen.
4. Automatic $1000 fine and deportation for fraudulent use of a SSN.
5. $1000 and $10000 first and second offense fine for hiring someone without national ID or work visa, 3rd offense prison time.

peski on November 28, 2007 at 2:23 PM

My goodness, we have to keep these illegals coming in, don’t you know?!? Otherwise Rove’s 17 year old son might have to work as a dishwasher some summer!!!

Oh, the HORROR!!!!!!

thirteen28 on November 28, 2007 at 2:26 PM

“I hear people say we should send those people back to where they came from,” said [Larry] Durrett, president of Jacksonville-based Southern Multifoods and owner of about 30 Taco Bells and KFC restaurants in Fort Worth.

“We can’t. We’d shut down.”

Sounds like a pretty clear admission that he’s knowingly violating employer immigration law.

Hollowpoint on November 28, 2007 at 2:27 PM

1. National ID card

peski on November 28, 2007 at 2:23 PM

PAPERS! PAPERS PLEASE!

No thanks.

Hollowpoint on November 28, 2007 at 2:30 PM

PAPERS! PAPERS PLEASE!

No thanks.

Hollowpoint on November 28, 2007 at 2:30 PM

…because making people prove that they don’t belong here makes much more sense?

James on November 28, 2007 at 2:31 PM

“We can’t. We’d shut down.”

I’m so sick of so-called leaders telling us what we CAN’T do. Those weenies could never have pioneered or built this country – they are weaklings living off the blood of our forefathers. And that includes GW Bush for whining that “we can’t enforce the border…”

Redhead Infidel on November 28, 2007 at 2:36 PM

If we didn’t supply welfare for able-bodied persons we wouldn’t need to import a slave-style workforce. The Bracero program was started because the AMERICAN field workers all went off to war. Somewhere between there and here Americans have become snobbish towards physical labor. I think it started with the creation of Welfare State.

NTWR on November 28, 2007 at 2:40 PM

I’m so sick of so-called leaders telling us what we CAN’T do. Those weenies could never have pioneered or built this country – they are weaklings living off the blood of our forefathers. And that includes GW Bush for whining that “we can’t enforce the border…”

Redhead Infidel on November 28, 2007 at 2:36 PM

Don’t you love the irony? On one hand, they want us to have faith in the capabilities of the federal government, but on the other hand, they wan’t to tell us that it’s incapable of enforcing its own laws.

No contradiction there …. (rolls eyes)

thirteen28 on November 28, 2007 at 2:41 PM

FAILURE!

The Race Card on November 28, 2007 at 2:42 PM

…because making people prove that they don’t belong here makes much more sense?

James on November 28, 2007 at 2:31 PM

Oh I agree. I think we should be stopped on the road and have to hand over our citizenship papers where-ever we go. I mean, hey, what could go wrong there?

lorien1973 on November 28, 2007 at 2:50 PM

Karl Rove, the architect of the Republican party becoming a permanent minority in Los Estados Unidos de Mexico Grande.

Muchas gracias usted madre mamon.

MB4 on November 28, 2007 at 2:55 PM

I watched Carlos Mencia go off on the Minute Men last night. He claims Mexicans are keeping the border safe. He must be drinking out of the same well Rove uses.

Hening on November 28, 2007 at 2:56 PM

Oh I agree. I think we should be stopped on the road and have to hand over our citizenship papers where-ever we go. I mean, hey, what could go wrong there?

lorien1973 on November 28, 2007 at 2:50 PM

Yeah, every time I see a weigh station on the highway, it’s…umm, closed. We do so well with checkpoints in this country, it’s a miracle that we have any illegals crossing the border at all!

James on November 28, 2007 at 3:00 PM

lorien1973 on November 28, 2007 at 2:50 PM

Kinda like you are stopped on the road and asked for your Drivers License?

Kinda like you have to show ID (credit card) to spend money?

Kinda like business alreay has records of what you do, and where you go??? (credit card receipts).

Kinda like you have to show ID to get across the border? (unless of course your illegal?).

This knee jerk reaction against a National ID card is really silly… it would not give the government any more data on you than they already HAVE. It would NOT allow them to track you. But it would fix both the illegal alien problem, and Voter Registration Fraud.

I’m all for it… and I’m a Libertarian!

Romeo13 on November 28, 2007 at 3:03 PM

He claims Mexicans are keeping the border safe. .

Hening on November 28, 2007 at 2:56 PM

They are.

For the Mexican drug cartels.

MB4 on November 28, 2007 at 3:06 PM

1 of every 20 workers in the United States is here illegally.

There’s a few more illegal aliens here than our government wants to admit, more like a total of 30 mil including family members.
Which would be consistent with the 86 amnesty numbers of people that came out of the woodwork, about 3 times the estimated number.
Add the effects of chain migration and legalization could triple that 30 Mil.
No wonder La Raza wants amnesty, its instant rule by dominion.

because of malignant neglect of US immigration law going back decades, but accelerated on Bush’s watch.

True in a cosmic understatement sort of way.

“We can’t. We’d shut down.”

Just a flat out lie. 4.7% of 300 Mil= 14.21 Mil.
And that’s just the unemployed that’s on the government radar there’s a bunch more who aren’t on unemployment insurance and a bunch more who can’t afford to leave welfare because of the depressed wages a third world invasion has caused for now every segment of society except the wealthy elites who have gained wealth.

Like I’ve said before, this is America the beautiful, land of the free and the home of the brave, not America the business opportunity and screw you little people.

Speakup on November 28, 2007 at 3:15 PM

Crackdowns result in fewer employees available for the labor intensive jobs (farming specifically) which results in short-term financial pain for the employer. Options are: go out of business, reduce production, or automate. Guess what? American ingenuity reigns and employers are figuring out how to pick crops (or engineer ‘pickable’ crops) with converted machinery that reduces their labor load by 50-80%. Voila! No need for 5-8 out of 10 heads in the field~~just need a couple who can hold onto the wheel of a John Deere in a row and harvest the ‘machine pickable’ tomatoes, peppers, etc.

I believe NPR had a bit on this about 4 weeks ago.

Biffstir on November 28, 2007 at 3:17 PM

New machinery is already on the way, compare the amount of labor needed to farm today with just twenty years ago the difference is huge.

Crackdowns result in fewer employees available for the labor intensive jobs (farming specifically) which results in short-term financial pain for the employer.

At what point in time has there been any fewer immigrants here to fill labor needs?
At net gains in the millions each year, the for show crackdowns haven’t put a dent in the problem.
Ag worker programs are just another attempt at shamnesty.

Speakup on November 28, 2007 at 3:23 PM

Like it or not, he’s right. There aren’t enough unemployed Americans to replace all the employed non-Americans when they leave. It’s the major flaw in the deportation movement and the reason you’ll never win that part of the argument. But I think ultimately you’ll win most of the other parts of your battle.

The Apologist on November 28, 2007 at 3:24 PM

The #1 most important issue of our time. We (the 1/3rd who matter) will put these politicians and slave ow… er businessmen in their proper place come election day.

Zetterson on November 28, 2007 at 3:27 PM

Like it or not, he’s right. There aren’t enough unemployed Americans to replace all the employed non-Americans when they leave. It’s the major flaw in the deportation movement and the reason you’ll never win that part of the argument. But I think ultimately you’ll win most of the other parts of your battle.

The Apologist on November 28, 2007 at 3:24 PM

Legal Immigration

Zetterson on November 28, 2007 at 3:28 PM

At net gains in the millions each year, the for show crackdowns haven’t put a dent in the problem.

The difference is that the employers are coming under greater scrutiny now more than ever for breaking the laws on the books, be it ag, meat packing, or Taco Bell. Couple their reluctance to hire illegals, or at least greater effort to hire those here legally, with enforced borders and a slowing economy, and we’ll see a dip in demand anyhow.

Ag worker programs are just another attempt at shamnesty.

I disagree. Believe it or not, there are a LOT of persons from many countries who would just as soon take their money and head home than stay. The US hasn’t cornered the market on homeland pride…

Biffstir on November 28, 2007 at 3:32 PM

Like it or not, he’s right. There aren’t enough unemployed Americans to replace all the employed non-Americans when they leave.

The Apologist on November 28, 2007 at 3:24 PM

They don’t all have to be replaced.

If there are less people in the U.S. there would not need to be as many workers.

Don’t worry, we would get by just fine.

MB4 on November 28, 2007 at 3:40 PM

If there were less illegals in the U.S. class sizes would be smaller.
Who knows maybe that way some kid would learn more math and science and would go on to cure cancer or invent warp drive or invent a machine to pick the sacred lettuce plant.

MB4 on November 28, 2007 at 3:47 PM

MB4,

Who knows maybe that way some kid would learn more math and science and would go on to cure cancer or invent warp drive or invent a machine to pick the sacred lettuce plant.

Hey if the great minds of our time can invent a humping robot they can also create a robot that picks lettuce.

Mike Honcho on November 28, 2007 at 3:55 PM

PAPERS! PAPERS PLEASE!

No thanks.

Hollowpoint on November 28, 2007 at 2:30 PM

The government nor anyone elese will learn more about you than they already know with a national ID card…other than the fact that you are hear legally. I have no problem with it.

brtex on November 28, 2007 at 4:43 PM

At net gains in the millions each year, the for show crackdowns haven’t put a dent in the problem.

The difference is that the employers are coming under greater scrutiny now more than ever for breaking the laws on the books, be it ag, meat packing, or Taco Bell. Couple their reluctance to hire illegals, or at least greater effort to hire those here legally, with enforced borders and a slowing economy, and we’ll see a dip in demand anyhow.

Ag worker programs are just another attempt at shamnesty.

I disagree. Believe it or not, there are a LOT of persons from many countries who would just as soon take their money and head home than stay. The US hasn’t cornered the market on homeland pride…

Biffstir on November 28, 2007 at 3:32 PM

Your not from earth are you.
Its a simple supply and demand issue, drive up supply and demand falls taking wages with it.
The scrutiny on employers is a farce, fewer are prosecuted now with more headlines than ever before.
Attempts to match SS#s are held up in the courts.
Employers have basically been given the green light about 95% of the time.

“who would just as soon take their our money and head home”

Its true that many Hispanics are here to take advantage of our system, send money home and have a desire to go back after using our free education, medical and other benefit programs, however that’s just not our responsibility.
Our taxes pay for services that other countries should pick-up and since I was left out of the new illegal migration decision loop, it’s OK to call those out who continue to betray our country.

There are no fewer illegal migrants here than even a minute ago, they’re just not coming for Ag jobs anymore and why should they, with no real enforcement in sight they’ve nearly taken over the blue collar middle class job market.
Meat packing jobs that paid twenty dollars an hour as little as five years ago now pay twelve dollars.

I suggest you do some research. Center for Immigration Studies might be a good place to start. cis.org

Speakup on November 28, 2007 at 4:44 PM

Huck/Guiliani ’08 Keep the ball rolling!

Sultry Beauty on November 28, 2007 at 6:00 PM

well, it’s nice to know that Rove is keeping busy pushing an agenda America has revolted against.

he’s an idiot.

madmonkphotog on November 28, 2007 at 6:31 PM

This annoys me on so many levels that I am not sure I can comment coherently anymore…
I would trade cheap produce for a reasonable education for my kids, free from getting TB or being used as unpaid tutors any day. Hell, we moved across the country to get away from the problem.
The “problem” is now everywhere and the American public is totally sick of it. This has all happened in one generation. My brother, a graduate of Brown and Harvard, cut sod in the summer. I worked at a garden center for $1.00/hour…
The idea that this nation can’t get by without illegal low paid workers is insane.

Babs on November 28, 2007 at 10:05 PM

Hey! My home town made it in a HotAir post!
Sad it has to be about this crap!

Joshua P. Allem on November 29, 2007 at 1:18 AM

“I hear people say we should send those people back to where they came from,” said [Larry] Durrett, president of Jacksonville-based Southern Multifoods and owner of about 30 Taco Bells and KFC restaurants in Fort Worth.

“We can’t. We’d shut down.”

If this criminal was busted as he should be and he does not want to hire legal workers his business would end, and good riddance.

If he thinks no one will step forward to fill in the void of supplying fast food he is a fool. He wants his profits on his terms. I want his conviction, not on my terms, but on the law. That makes one of us jail material

He is facilitating the illegals who have learned one thing: American law is wrong so it is meant to be broken. Break the law and serve a higher law which apparently revoles around this criminal’s profit at the expense of our beloved nation

Meanwhile Rove should stop worrying about his child having to make beds at some cheesy motel. He can continue to consume the American dream for breakfast and the American legal system for lunch and he can feast upon the carcasses of the American middleclass worker for dinner because no one would expect any Rove to dirty their hands at manual labor, not when Rove is willing to break any and all laws to bring in replacement workers while he lets the dying middle class pick up the tab

entagor on November 29, 2007 at 11:43 AM