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Pew poll: Views of Iraq starting to rebound, but…

posted at 9:31 pm on November 27, 2007 by Allahpundit
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30/67 in February that the military effort was going well/not well. Today: 48/48, a seven-point swing from September alone.

But.

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Note the trend in the GOP numbers, especially. Then again, never underestimate the Democrats’ ability to fumble an easy touchdown. Listen carefully and you can hear Danger Room, a lefty-ish outfit, standing on the sideline yelling “stop, stop!”


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That’s a huge swing in the “going well” numbers, and I think it is much more significant than the “bring troops home” number. People, on balance, are just inclined to want the troops home as a sort of emotional response. I would imagine that number would be rather high regardless of the war.

It’s encouraging to see that the good news of the surge is breaking through the MSM firewall and reaching the population. If the trends continue, the 2008 election won’t be about Iraq at all, which at this point I’ll take as a good thing.

Nessuno on November 27, 2007 at 9:48 PM

*Scratching head*
How is it that the surrender number ticked up 1 point among D’s, leapt 7 among R’s, stood pat among I’s, yet rose by just 1 point overall? If the party mix didn’t shift significantly between the Feb and Nov polls, Republicans must be a tiny percentage of the polling sample (somewhere south of 15%).
Unless I’m missing something…

flip on November 27, 2007 at 9:52 PM

If I were a liberal, if I were a liberal, I’d start selling my stock in defeat.

But how much you wanna bet, Nancy and Harry will take credit.

Kini on November 27, 2007 at 10:02 PM

The poll was done very poorly.

They just asked:
1) Bring troops home? Which means ASAP, presumably.
-and-
2) Keep troops in Iraq? Which means what? Keep them there for another year? Another 10 years? Keep all the troops there? Keep some of the troops?

MB4 on November 27, 2007 at 10:04 PM

Nothing against Sanchez, but he’s double speak.

Kini on November 27, 2007 at 10:04 PM

In other words: “Things are much better in Iraq now, so let’s bring our Troops home, that way everything they fought for can go to sh!t.”

Nice. Real frikkin’ nice. If the Dhimmis win in ‘08, there *will* be a third Iraq war some time in the future.

Tony737 on November 27, 2007 at 11:29 PM

The majority of Americans, I believe, simply shrug off most attempts by the dinosaur media to portray EVERYTHING living thing with a negative spin. Americans are not negative people as a whole, and now that summer vacations are over people will really start paying attention to the landscape. For some reason, I feel a seismic shift is on the way…for the better!

SouthernGent on November 27, 2007 at 11:59 PM

The full Q asked was:

Do you think the U.S. should keep military troops in Iraq until the situation has stabilized, or do you think the U.S. should bring its troops home as soon as possible?

Compare with the NBC/WSJ poll from Nov 1-5:

When it comes to the war in Iraq, which of the following statements comes closer to your point of view? The most responsible thing we can do is find a way to withdraw most of our troops from Iraq by the beginning of 2009. The most responsible thing we can do is to remain in Iraq until the situation in the country is stable.

Withdraw by 2009 – 55%
Stay until stable – 40%

Other polls with this basic formulation show similar results (e.g., ABC/WaPo, 9/27).

Now compare with CBS from mid-October:

From what you know about the U.S. involvement in Iraq, how much longer would you be willing to have large numbers of U.S. troops remain in Iraq: less than a year, one to two years, two to five years or longer than five years?

Less than a year – 45%
One to two years – 27%
Two to five years- 12%
More than 5 years- 5%
DK – 11%

This looks much closer to an even breakdown between the “less than a year” and “more than a year” groups. And you would find a similar pattern in prior polling.

In sum, the response depends on the nature of the question. Ask it as a leave/stay and most will say leave. Ask it as a “how long” and it breaks evenly between short-term/long-term.

This isn’t an “easy touchdown” for the Dems for at least two reasons.

First, Iraq as an issue is losing saliency as conditions have improved. That’s why we’re hearing so much about the economy already.

Second, the US is starting talks with Iraq about drawing down to about 50K troops by the end of 2008 (i.e., election day). If this happens, Iraq will lose a lot of traction as an issue. The GOP nominee will agree with the drawdown, and the most likely Dem nominee — HRC — is already on record foreseeing some US troops in Iraq for some time to come. A marginal difference would, if anything, tend to demoralize the nutroots. Maybe they’ll get to vote for RP instead.

Karl on November 28, 2007 at 12:41 AM

Less than a year – 45%
One to two years – 27%
Two to five years- 12%
More than 5 years- 5%
DK – 11%Less than a year – 45%

That is probably the poll that did it the best. I would summarize that as get out soonish 72%, don’t get out soonish 17%.

Second, the US is starting talks with Iraq about drawing down to about 50K troops by the end of 2008 (i.e., election day). If this happens, Iraq will lose a lot of traction as an issue.

Karl on November 28, 2007 at 12:41 AM

I think you are probably right, if it’s down 50,000 from the baseline of 130,000, but not if it’s down from the surge peak of 160,000 plus as that would still leave over 100,000 after almost 6 years.

MB4 on November 28, 2007 at 12:54 AM

Second, the US is starting talks with Iraq about drawing down to about 50K troops by the end of 2008

I misread your down to 50,000 as down by 50,000. If it is down to 50,000, that would very likely do it, unless things were going gunny bag there.

MB4 on November 28, 2007 at 1:02 AM

If the numbers get just a bit better, Bill Clinton will be for the war again, especially in the general.

Entelechy on November 28, 2007 at 1:07 AM

Those numbers can be crunched a number of ways. The Dems have been able to hammer Bush by framing it as “leave/stay.” That’s why Reid and Pelosi were pushing timetables and using the “no light at the end of the tunnel” and “open-ended commitment” slogans. Bush wants victory , which puts him in the “stay” box. The effective rejoinder was the “cut and run” slogan, which reframes the debate around the split MB4 suggests. The poll numbers also show folks trust the military commanders more than either Bush or Congress, which is why Bush started emphasizing that he was taking their advice.

The “more/less than a year” split is also not as literal as one would think by looking only at recent polls. This same split shows up in years of polling, when one would think that the 1-2 year people would have moved into the less than a year box over that period. It’s an example of poll interpretation being as much art as science.

Karl on November 28, 2007 at 2:31 AM

Goes to show that once you decide that our troops should come home, you don’t change your mind. In other words, it’s an emotional decision, once you’ve made it and no amount of good news will change how you feel.

CliffHanger on November 28, 2007 at 1:31 PM

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