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Iraq to U.S.: Don’t ever leave

posted at 5:53 pm on November 26, 2007 by Allahpundit
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News of an “enduring relationship” broke in September when Bush mentioned it in his surge drawdown speech, but we haven’t heard much about it on the trail. That’ll change after this. The White House is emphasizing that the new agreement is just the first step in a process towards formalization that they’re hoping to complete by July, which puts the time horizon here squarely in the middle of the campaign. It also raises the specter of a treaty establishing a long-term U.S. military presence that the Senate would have to ratify by two-thirds. Bush will naturally try to avoid that requirement by using an executive agreement and the Democrats will just as naturally demand that it be done by the constitutional book. Scroll down towards the end of the fact sheet on the agreement to see how comprehensive it is; sure looks like treaty material to me, especially given the presumptive hostility to the idea of permanently stationing 50,000 U.S. troops in country among both the U.S. and Iraqi populations.

It’s a dynamite issue for the Dems in the general since the GOP will have to triangulate between winning the war/securing the peace and responding to the public’s war fatigue, so expect to hear plenty about it from the left once the nominees are set — starting with a demand for a formal treaty and Senate vote, which would give Hillary, Obama, Biden, and Dodd an opportunity to prove their anti-war bona fides to the base. In the meantime, America’s Greatest Patriot should be talking this up every chance he gets during the debate on Wednesday night.

Iraq’s government, seeking protection against foreign threats and internal coups, will offer the U.S. a long-term troop presence in Iraq in return for U.S. security guarantees as part of a strategic partnership, two Iraqi officials said Monday…

The two Iraqi officials, who are from two different political parties, spoke on condition of anonymity because the subject is sensitive. Members of parliament were briefed on the plan during a three-hour closed-door meeting Sunday, during which lawmakers loyal to radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr objected to the formula.

Preferential treatment for U.S. investors could provide a huge windfall if Iraq can achieve enough stability to exploit its vast oil resources. Such a deal would also enable the United States to maintain leverage against Iranian expansion at a time of growing fears about Tehran’s nuclear aspirations…

The Iraqi officials said that under the proposed formula, Iraq would get full responsibility for internal security and U.S. troops would relocate to bases outside the cities. Iraqi officials foresee a long-term presence of about 50,000 U.S. troops, down from the current figure of more than 160,000.

We protect the Iraqi government from Shiite fundamentalists, Sunnis, and Iran and in return U.S. businesses get first crack at the oil. That’ll be a fun media formulation for the Republican nominee to have to defend next year. He’ll have to play down the economic aspects of it and play up the strategic positioning it offers vis-a-vis Iran, although given the way the Shiite parties are going to demagogue the idea of permanent U.S. occupation, it may be to Iran’s advantage ultimately to have us there. As you see from the blockquote, the Sadrists are already objecting to the idea. They’re also raising hell about the de-Baathification law, a “largely symbolic” statute that merely recognizes publicly what the Iraqi government is already doing privately. One of the main currents in the improvements over the last three or four months is Shiite gangsters overplaying their hands, not quite to the extent AQ has in Anbar but enough that Sadr would order his ceasefire after this clusterfark in August. Pounding the table about Saddam’s henchmen returning to power or the U.S. hegemon setting up permanent bases is just what they need to try to rebuild their populist appeal.


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Why not? We’re still in Germany, Japan, and Korea. One more place for peace-time troops to rotate to for experience.

Frozen Tex on November 26, 2007 at 5:58 PM

starting with a demand for a formal treaty and Senate vote, which would give Hillary, Obama, Biden, and Dodd an opportunity to prove their anti-war bona fides to the base

Even if the treaty hearing is done after the primaries?

bnelson44 on November 26, 2007 at 5:59 PM

Iraq to U.S.: Don’t ever leave

Sounds like a desperate love letter.

Frozen Tex on November 26, 2007 at 5:59 PM

Even if the treaty hearing is done after the primaries?

Sure. They’ll have to line up behind the nominee.

Allahpundit on November 26, 2007 at 6:00 PM

Hate to say it but…

Why not? We’re still in Germany, Japan, and Korea. One more place for peace-time troops to rotate to for experience.

Frozen Tex on November 26, 2007 at 5:58 PM

…was essentially my same reaction when considering the prospect. But I acknowledge it presents a delicate tightrope to balance selling this to the electorate. We’ll see.

Captain Scarlet on November 26, 2007 at 6:04 PM

If oil stays at its present levels of $100 a barrel???

Main reason for this is the weak dollar, but a long term commitment from the Iraqis “thanking” us for liberation? Spin it right and its a winner for the American voter.

Problem is that “Oil War” myth has already been firmly planted the left…

Gonna be a tough sell… but it could be done.

Romeo13 on November 26, 2007 at 6:09 PM

Spin it right and its a winner for the American voter.

Problem is that “Oil War” myth has already been firmly planted the left…

The public has no idea what “War-For-Oil” would really look like. I wish I could remember where I found it, but someone not-too-long-ago wrote an article describing what would have happened I OIF had really been about oil; US forces would seize the southern oil fields and secure the Persian Gulf and Straits of Hormuz, while largely ignoring Saddam and all his atrocities, as long as he styed out of our way.

Frozen Tex on November 26, 2007 at 6:15 PM

Iraq to U.S.: Don’t ever leave

U.S. to Iraq: You had me at “Don’t”.

flipflop on November 26, 2007 at 6:16 PM

The public has no idea what “War-For-Oil” would really look like…
Frozen Tex on November 26, 2007 at 6:15 PM

Perhaps they should be reminded of that nasty business with Germany in the USSR and Japan in the South China Sea. These days, I expect most people assume Hitler targeted the Crimea out of hatred for the Jews. God only knows why they think Japan struck Pearl Harbor…

Blacklake on November 26, 2007 at 6:28 PM

Seriously… did anyone not see this coming? We’ve built huge bases over there. Were we just going to abandon them? This has been apparent to anyone who has been paying attention.

MikeZero on November 26, 2007 at 6:29 PM

Blacklake on November 26, 2007 at 6:28 PM

Excellent examples. Most folk know very little about WWII these day beyond the broadest strokes.

Frozen Tex on November 26, 2007 at 6:30 PM

Good Lord, it is bad enough dating muslims, now they want a ring?

MB4 on November 26, 2007 at 6:34 PM

Victory Iraq deux.

Hening on November 26, 2007 at 6:43 PM

MB4, ROTFLMAO! :-)

DavePa on November 26, 2007 at 6:49 PM

“Why not? We’re still in Germany, Japan, and Korea. One more place for peace-time troops to rotate to for experience.” –
Frozen Tex on November 26, 2007 at 5:58 PM

Ding. Ding! Ding!!

Thread closed.

locomotivebreath1901 on November 26, 2007 at 6:50 PM

er, quotes, not ’strike’.

locomotivebreath1901 on November 26, 2007 at 6:50 PM

locomotivebreath1901 on November 26, 2007 at 6:50 PM

?

Frozen Tex on November 26, 2007 at 6:52 PM

Let’s see how this one is going to get spun,the Liberal
media are predictable,oh it’s the oil,stupid.
Personally,it never was the oil,two things,Freedom,
and a forward Military base,to strike Syria and Iran.

Here’s the thing,American Military is around the world,
in different countries,the United States were ASKED to
be there,this is not occuping,nor crusading,some of
this is the spoils of war,it’s kind of simply,you win,
you call the shots,just ask Germany or Japan.

canopfor on November 26, 2007 at 6:54 PM

After WW II American troops got German war brides and German beer.
What is it that they get from Iraq now?

MB4 on November 26, 2007 at 6:55 PM

MB4 on November 26, 2007 at 6:55 PM

Donairs? Falafel? Couscous? Lamb?

Frozen Tex on November 26, 2007 at 6:56 PM

After WW2 American troops got German war brides and German
beer.What is it that they get from Irag now?
MB4 on November 26,2007 at 6:55PM.

MB4:Burkas for their wifes or girlfriends!haha

canopfor on November 26, 2007 at 7:03 PM

I was stationed in Germany 50 years after WW2. During Gulf War 1 I predicted we’d be have Troops in Iraq 50 years later … and jokingly said we’d be drivin’ Iraq cars. VERY jokingly.

Tony737 on November 26, 2007 at 7:09 PM

Someone should cut together a video of the Iraqi PM giving a speech and replace his lips with Dennis DeYoung singing “Don’t Let It End” from Kilroy Was Here.

And then have him do a couple of lines from “Mr. Roboto” for the hell of it…

ScottMcC on November 26, 2007 at 7:11 PM

It’s a dynamite issue for the Dems in the general since the GOP will have to triangulate between winning the war/securing the peace and responding to the public’s war fatigue…

This is an easy commercial to write. Get a couple hundred survivors of the killing fields and the Vietnamese boat people to talk about their experiences when the Democrats cut funding. Then you have Iraqis begging the US to stay to keep their enemies at bay as ominous music plays showing Ahmadinejad scowling at the camera morphing into Frank Church. The tag line is “Peace is not free, but freedom is worth it” as Iraqi children surround a US soldier waving American flags.

Bill C on November 26, 2007 at 7:13 PM

The ulternative is pulling back into Kuwait or Okinawa

William Amos on November 26, 2007 at 7:25 PM

I’ve spent considerable time at 2 bases in Iraq. Camp Speicher up in Tikrit and Camp Liberty near BIAP. Liberty is temporary (last I heard} but Speicher has ALWAYS been considered permanent. Speicher is an interesting base in a couple of different ways. One is that the camp is named for Mike Speicher who was a captured pilot from the first gulf war and was never found. I was told during an initial briefing upon arriving in Tikrit that they found the initials MS and the date (which I forgot but I think it was 03/99), in English, scratched or carved into a white post found at the base when it was captured by US forces. The Tikrit base was an Iraqi air force base. Anyway, during that briefing we were told that Speicher has always been designated as a permanent U.S. base and considerable expense and construction is going on to build it up.

Guardian on November 26, 2007 at 7:50 PM

But…

What could possibly be the value of having U.S. military installations, airfields, listening posts and supply stations inside a free and soveriegn nation, so close to Iran, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria, Kuwait, Lebanon, Yemen…

…Ohhhhhhhhhh.

Ok! Let’s go with it!

heldmyw on November 26, 2007 at 8:06 PM

Hotel California Baghdad?

infidel4life on November 26, 2007 at 8:11 PM

Did anyone really think that we would ever leave? We have built gigantic bases there and worth millions of dollars. As far as I ‘m concerned we deserve to stay there as long as we choose. We freed them and they owe it to us. Thousands of our troops have died mostly for our protection but also for their freedom, the only thing they can do is allow us to stay.

Complete7 on November 26, 2007 at 8:18 PM

Wasn’t this always in the plans? I certainly hope so.

petefrt on November 26, 2007 at 8:38 PM

Oil Ministry = King Maker

US Forces in place = Democracy (or something like it)

The Iraqi Oil Ministry is trying desperately to get all oil revenues under its control. There is no transparency in Iraqi ministries, the concept is wildly alien to them. They don’t take notes on their deals, because this is a personal communication culture. If the Oil Ministry gets control of all oil revenues without a shred of accountability, Iraq will be a pesthole dictatorship, again, within five years.

US forces can make the Oil Ministry accountable. Nobody bribes US forces in significant numbers. If the Iraqi’s try it, they might succeed for a while, then some of the Oil Ministry staff is going to go to Abu Ghraib and some Colonels are going to go to Leavenworth. Without US forces in place, Iraq will go back to being the prison.

People who say “No War for Oil” don’t understand war and they don’t understand oil. Don’t question their patriotism, though, you should just consider them morons and tell them that to their faces.

Patrick_Lasswell on November 26, 2007 at 8:52 PM

Allah,

I respect your opinion, but must suggest that you may be a bit short-sighted in your suggestion that a preference for U.S. investment equates to “first crack at Iraqi Oil”. I’m not suggesting that you’re wrong at all, just not seeing the bigger picture for the U.S. and the Iraqis. Which also happens to be, if the cards are played right, a major selling point of the deal.

Iraq’s geography parallels pretty closely with the State of California, not in shape so much, but in diversity, area and type of terrain. Imagine an Iraq with U.S. style commercial irrigation set in place (similar to what exists in the desert regions of California). Even with a small percentage of the “possible” land in production, Iraq stands to be one of the world’s largest exporters of food. Iraq could also leverage this export ability with subsidies tied to it’s oil reserves. Couple those together and Iraq becomes a MAJOR player in world political affairs, more so than Japan or Korea did after their reconstruction, hand in hand with U.S. business interests.

Iraq has a great capacity for industrial output as well, with major rivers feeding interior locations access to shipping via a “stabilized” Persian Gulf thanks to a new naval base and the equipping of the Iraqi Navy. A ready workforce (needing training under American tutelage) can supply this potential industrial capacity.

It would be easy to go on about the win-wins in this deal and the ways to effectively sell it, but I’ll stop here. The point to all this is that we have to stop looking at Iraq as just a place to pull oil out of the ground but also look at other potential postives about Iraq, and more importantly, we must stop allowing the opposition to characterize Iraq as just place you pull oil out of the ground.

–Jason

Jason Coleman on November 26, 2007 at 10:21 PM

So, why exactly should we bust our butts to pay for the war and lose men just to cut and run? I saw this coming the day we went in. There’s just too much to lose by leaving.
Any realist knows it.

boomer on November 27, 2007 at 12:02 AM

First crack at Iraqi oilshould be:

Iraqi Oil will be used to compensate the Coalition forces for all costs of their valiant liberation of this long-suffering land“.

The Iraqis would be under Saddam’s terror, otherwise, with no oil except that used to lubricate the human shredders they were once fed into at his homicidal whim.

profitsbeard on November 27, 2007 at 12:36 AM

I was having a somewhat heated argument with a somewhat liberal freind of mine about 3 years ago about “leaving Iraq”… at one point I said… “We won’t be out of Iraq in our lifetime”… and I’m not 90 ok !

Things changed in him lately and he’s abandoned his “get out of Iraq” thinking… its pretty obvious.

amend2 on November 27, 2007 at 1:16 AM

We protect the Iraqi government from Shiite fundamentalists, Sunnis, and Iran and in return U.S. businesses get first crack at the oil.

Just like in Saudi Arabia. Great.

AlexB on November 27, 2007 at 1:39 AM

If we were fighting wars for oil, then we would have conquered Mexico decades ago. The food is better there anyway.

Black Adam on November 27, 2007 at 1:48 AM

Just like in Saudi Arabia. Great.

AlexB on November 27, 2007 at 1:39 AM

Actually, it’s BETTER than Saudi Arabia. We’ll be getting 60% of Iraq’s oil output, at well below market prices, for the next 30 years.

Plus we’ll be having military bases close to both Syria and Iran, which from a power-projection point of view, is ideal.

Syria will face a two front war the next time they attack Israel. So will Iran, whose ports will be blockaded by our navy, in addition to having to defend two frontiers.

This deal is a strategic plus for the United States on several levels.

BTW, Iraq now has more oil in the ground that the Saudis do. And replacing Saudi oil with Iraqi means that we can finally tell the Kingdom to pound sand.

The moonbats still scream in righteous indignation that the “War” was about “oil.” I wish it were true, because if it were, gasoline prices in the USA would be around 78 cents per gallon!

georgej on November 27, 2007 at 3:19 PM

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