Bill C on November 26, 2007 at 12:05 AM

thank you.

How do you find one of the conservative Episcopal churches?

JiangxiDad on November 25, 2007 at 5:22 PM

Start here:

http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/index.php

Here are a few other options.

http://www.anglicancatholic.org/
http://www.forwardinfaithnorthamerica.com/

WillBarrett on November 25, 2007 at 5:44 PM

Ok. I’ve put two hours of research on this subject on my calendar on Tuesday. If you have anything you’d like to me to read please let me know. Thanks.

(The reason I’m being so hesitant here is partly confusion between the current Pope and the last Pope. I don’t pay that close attention to the Catholic Church, but I do remember one of them being fairly negative about George W. and Iraq in ways that reminded me of leftist talking points. The truth is out there.)

Here is a man who can't seem to understand the plain meaning of Scripture on the morals of homosexual behavior; who rubs elbows with terrorists; and then has the gall to say things like this: THE Archbishop of Canterbury has said that the United S…

And when the Pope appointed some new cardinal yesterday, he appealed for an end to the war in Iraq. I fear Christianity has been a fifth column to Western Civilization.

Why because if a stable, Western-style democracy cannot be established in Iraq that’s the end for Western Civillisation? The real threat to the West is from Muslims within like the 19 hijackers or the growing Muslims populations within Western Europe.

Read through the interview at the ToL link and you’ll find him returning to some of his favorite themes: blaming the United States for atrocities committed against Christians by Muslims (“beleaguered Christian communities in Iraq, who are now suffering because their neighbours have turned against them, identifying them with the West”)

Reality alert: Christ was an Asian. We Christians follow an Asian religion. How is that of the West?

WillBarrett on November 25, 2007 at 5:44 PM

Well, I guess he is “technically” the head of the Vatican, which is a state. But there is no standard army, and calling for all-out war against radical Islam would I dare-say be somewhat absurd.

thuja on November 25, 2007 at 4:08 PM

Just because you have a “strong impression” doesn’t mean you are right. Obviously. What do you mean by “passivity,” anyways? If you mean the Pope hasn’t called for the use of force againts militant Islam, than you are no doubt right. That is not his place. He is not the head of a state, but the Catholic Church. He is not Pope Urban II. These are different times, to say the least. However, probably one of the most important things he has done since taking the keys of Peter was delivering his (in)famous speech at Regensburg, which ignited so much controversy in the world. There he directly condemned the use of violence in the name of God, and especially Islam’s seeming propensity to do this. No, you are absolutely wrong. The Pope recognizes that radical Islam is one of the biggest challenges of our time. The difference between you and him, no doubt, is that he is not going to call for the nuking of Mecca.

Bill C on November 25, 2007 at 5:17 PM

How do you find one of the conservative Episcopal churches?

Rowan Williams is being forced to declare the Episcopal church in the US apostates or risk having the various Anglican provinces start their own communion. The Episcopal church in the US has already begun to split with the main issue being who owns the physical property, the bishops (usually liberal) or the congregations (usually conservative). In my mind, this schism was bound to happen and the sooner the better. The liberal Episcopal church is dying and will be all but dead in a generation. The only question is what organizational form will the orthodox churches and that is being worked out by the orthodox bishops.

Rowan, you are already irrelevant to the majority of Anglicans. God Bless Peter Akinola.

Beaned!

(He’d make a better archbishop than this clown, though.)

Hening on November 25, 2007 at 4:20 PM

Maybe then this is all just a tempest in a teapot. According to jihadwatch back in ‘04, there were more practicing Muslims in Britain than practicing Anglicans. Since the Archbishop is widely ignored in the Anglican community outside of Britain, he’s like the pretender to a lost throne. It would not surprise me to see the COE disappear.

Everywhere I speak, I find that the faithful go to church for a mixture of reasons, from social to charitable to ethnic, and take their beliefs à la carte or cafeteria-style, choosing the bits they like and discarding the rest.

Very, very true.

he does realize that’s what we’re trying to do in Iraq, yes?

I think its just immaterial to an extremely self serving church what governments attempt, whatever the long term benefit the ideals of which are.