Mitt governor health plan stinks, now that it is out in the open, he adopts a plan similar to NY, the plan the Rudy put in action.

Which is it r2b? Did he adopt Rudy’s plan or not?

Buy Danish on November 26, 2007 at 12:34 PM

this is almost fun.
Read it again, it says Mitt governor, you know the health plan he put together as a governor stinks. His new plan is adopted from Rudy’s, it is better.
Get a life.

First statement, whose veracity I challenged:

Romney instituted a ridiculous health care program, even fining those who did not do the “right” thing. Now he has backed off, and adopted Rudy’s program.

When challenged he provides this quote from Rudy, which asks us to rely on Mitt’s opponent to describe Mitt’s policies:

That’s not the way to expand health care,” Giuliani continued. “The way to expand health care is through the program that I’ve talked about, which Mitt Romney has now adopted.”

Next r2b makes this statement:

Mitt governor health plan stinks, now that it is out in the open, he adopts a plan similar to NY, the plan the Rudy put in action.

Which is it r2b? Did he adopt Rudy’s plan or not?

And yeah, Rudy’s the last person to complain about bad appointments. Kerik stinks to high heaven.

How one earth can Rudy not see that wouldn’t rebound? Sure, if Fred or Huckabee took this shot, it would probably be fair game, but for Rudy–as Mitt says, Rudy should be the last to complain about anyone’s nominations.

“That’s not the way to expand health care,” Giuliani continued. “The way to expand health care is through the program that I’ve talked about, which Mitt Romney has now adopted.”

Fortunately, Mitt has backed away for punishing (by taxing, oops I mean “added fees”) people for not taking his plan. That is what is so good about a flip flopper, at least for a moment they can see the truth. The bad news, is some people follow a flip flopper no matter what he says…I believe they are called “lemmings”.
Mitt governor health plan stinks, now that it is out in the open, he adopts a plan similar to NY, the plan the Rudy put in action. Mitt is constantly backing away from what he did. Mitt makes a good follower, you can’t be even a good leader by using other peoples ideas and adoption them as your own.
(some posters should learn their manners, both statements are Rudy’s opinion, backed with fact)

JiangxiDad on November 26, 2007 at 9:22 AM

Because of the system in place that determined the selection process for both how the Mayor of New York and Governor of Massachusetts chose candidates, this issue should be a stalemate for both of them.

I am as irritated by Rudy for going after Mitt on this as I am by Mitt when he portrays Rudy as fiscally irresponsible.

Both charges are false, and both candidates excelled at repairing the budgets they inherited.

right2bright on November 26, 2007 at 9:36 AM

Apparently you think you can peddle outright falsehoods as facts and no one will be the wiser. Like here, for instance:

Romney instituted a ridiculous health care program, even fining those who did not do the “right” thing. Now he has backed off, and adopted Rudy’s program.

The first sentence is a matter of opinion, the second sentence is blatantly FALSE.

He has not “adopted Rudy’s program” (indeed, can you even tell us in your own words what Rudy’s program is?) and he has not backed off on his insistence that we need to insure our citizens with private insurance, on a state by state basis, or we will end up with government run and funded HillaryCare or ObamaCare or EdwardsCare.

A lot of hay has been thrown around critical of all the Democrats that Rudy appointed to municipal judgeships in NYC. It was unfair criticism because the choices were narrowed down by a panel, the city is predominately Dem, and Rudy actually did a good job of not appointing judges with connections to the Dem party. Finally, the judges appointed by the mayor were minor inconsequential paper pushers.

tommylotto on November 26, 2007 at 8:53 AM

There was already a panel to appoint judges. Rudy couldn’t do anything about it.

NYC was already a sanctuary city. Rudy couldn’t do anything about it.

ICE wouldn’t cooperate. Rudy couldn’t do anything about it.

The excuse is wearing thin Tommy L.

tommylotto on November 26, 2007 at 8:53 AM

Mitt was provided 3 judges to choose from, in a blind process where he did not even know their names. See here:

First, judicial appointments in Massachusetts work very differently than at the federal level. As with New York City, a judicial panel recommends a few candidates for each opening to the Governor, who rarely if ever works outside the system. These candidates get reviewed by the panel through their records, but with their names removed, in order to ensure fairness. Tuttman would have appeared to be a good candidate; she had a good track record as a prosecutor, and had won convictions in some higher-profile cases.

The other points made by Ed Morrissey are also valid, such as their being no comparison to Dukakis’ outright support of furlough programs for convicts – even for convicted murderers with no possibility of parole.

Apparently it has not occurred to either of them that their are some of us who like both candidates, and I personally find their attacks on each other to be silly and largely without merit.

On the other hand, Mitt was a governor. He had real judgeship appointment responsibilities. He appointed judges that would make life and death decisions. As we all agree the appointment of judges is very important role for POTUS. As governor Mitt made an important judicial appointment to someone who was clearly incompetent and not worthy of her robe. Does that reflect on Mitt’s judgment in selecting judges? — You betcha. Should we be concerned? — you betcha.

I mean who would vote for him? He is more liberal than Hillary.

Who would vote for him are people who want even a small chance to win; Romney has no chance. As to more liberal than Hillary, I think you need to slow down on the hard liquor; it’s barely 8 am here in Texas. Hillary will be our first Stalinist president. She may not have his body count, but I’m sure she’ll be more creative in marketing his peculiar reforms. The MSM is going to have to break out a thesaurus to make her policies sound vaguely appealing.

BKennedy, is your argument that Guiliani killed 6x more than Romney, and that makes this a viable argument?

Spirit of 1776 on November 25, 2007 at 11:10 PM

Romney has at least repented and made good by blocking embryonic stel cell research in Massachusetts during his term as governor as well as a freeze on abortion laws (about as good as anyone could ask for). Guiliani still thinks it isn’t a big deal.

Theworldisnotenough on November 25, 2007 at 11:40 PM

And I think part of Rudy’s strategy will be to try to get other candidates to upend Romney in those three states. If Huck wins Iowa, Romney NH, and Fred SC (just for ex), then Rudy will be sitting fine still. If Romney runs the table, which is possible, then FL is going to be irrelevant I agree.

*Expect more hits

Rudy’s accusation is so out in left field, he must be desperate. Looks to me like Rudy is nervous.
oldernslower on November 25, 2007 at 10:36 PM

Rudy’s best is poll rating is 3rd in the first 3 states. Will 3 straight losses effect his lead in Florida? Count on it. His team knows what the MSM is not willing to say. Romney is ahead in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina. Expect more hita on Romney that have nothing to do with policy differences.

Good lord. With Iraq, immigration, health care and social security to contend with, is crime really the issue on which the GOP nomination momentarily turns?

You took the words right out of my mouth.

He also lends weight to Fred criticism that the Presidency is bigger than New York.

Lets hope illegal immigration never becomes a crime. Rudy may be compelled to enforce the law. That would be horrible.

Rudy: “Governor Romney had a very poor record in dealing with murder”

BKennedy: “Mayor Guiliani has written checks to a propaganda outlet that murders hundreds of thousands of babies per year.”