Rudy answers Fred: You have no record
posted at 6:45 pm on November 24, 2007 by Allahpundit
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A more gratifying response would have called for some righteous indignation at Fred’s sly anti-NYC demagoguery followed by a heartfelt plea for the GOP to think beyond its southern/rural identity and embrace the blue-state conservatives who live behind enemy lines. Capped, perhaps, by pronouncing him a “damnable hillbilly.”
But for obvious reasons, that wouldn’t have been a wise idea. Click the image to watch.
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Heh!
Bradky on November 24, 2007 at 6:49 PM
Fred’s record:
100% pro-life
pro gun
anti-amnesty
anti-crime
Watcha got there Rudy?
Mojave Mark on November 24, 2007 at 6:51 PM
At least 50% of the posters at HA have the same record. What’s the big deal?
Bradky on November 24, 2007 at 6:54 PM
I think the ‘big deal’ is that no matter how many posters have that record, Guiliani doesn’t :)
Lord Nazh on November 24, 2007 at 6:55 PM
What are the odds of any Republican candidate taking NY?
bnelson44 on November 24, 2007 at 6:57 PM
OUTSTANDING RESPONSE by Rudy.
Rudy is also cool under fire, baby. He is the real deal.
Oh, and Allah, we Noo Yawkas would call them “banjo-playing hillbillies” ala Deliverance. More visceral than “damnable
.
Always Right on November 24, 2007 at 6:58 PM
The NY state electorals are going to the Democrats, even if Rudy is the nominee. If Rudy calls Fred out on the NYC-bashing it could help in CT & NJ where the GOP could win those 22 electorals with Rudy.
dedalus on November 24, 2007 at 6:58 PM
I’m not a Rudy fan, but unless I missed something crime-fighting is an area he’s got a lot more credibility on than Fred. Unless its TV crime.
dedalus on November 24, 2007 at 7:01 PM
Our numbers are legion; and we’re not all in NYC, Fred. I seem to remember a certain blue county in S. Florida tipping the balance for Bush in 2000 by a handful of votes, so don’t tick us off, Fred.
Point to Rudy.
Nichevo on November 24, 2007 at 7:05 PM
Rudy’s record:
Gun Grabber
Pro-Gay Marriage
Abortion on Demand
Sanctuary for Aliens
Valiant on November 24, 2007 at 7:06 PM
lol
Spirit of 1776 on November 24, 2007 at 7:07 PM
You missed the point. Fred talks a good game but has no real accomplishments to back up his claims - hence he is just like many posters.
The point is not about winning NY specifically - it is about who puts more blue states into play and possibly wins a couple of them. What blue states does fred put into play? Honestly?
Bradky on November 24, 2007 at 7:08 PM
The headline should have read “Rudy Makes Thompson’s Point”
Rudy just talks about New York. Fred has a Great CONSERVATIVE Record. Look what Fred did and said about Homeland Security after 911 fromt the Senate floor. in 2002
Notice Fred’s words on on immigration and the security of America. Fred was ahead on the immigration issue.
Fred has a RECORD-Rudy is just afraid others will find out about it!
Nelsa on November 24, 2007 at 7:11 PM
It may take a while for Fred to respond, after all, his writers are still on strike.
JayHaw Phrenzie on November 24, 2007 at 7:12 PM
I’ll sure be glad when the primaries are done.
baldilocks on November 24, 2007 at 7:13 PM
Rudy better get 2nd Amendment friendly quick if he’s gonna stand a prayer of swinging PA. Its a more socially conservative(pro-life), pro-2nd, economically liberal state. Hatred of Hillary is only gonna carry him so far, and he’s gonna struggle here.
Bad Candy on November 24, 2007 at 7:13 PM
Oh, and he’ll have to be more pro-life. You’ll note Bob “my dad was governor” Casey goes pro-life, and he’s wary about gun control measures.
Bad Candy on November 24, 2007 at 7:16 PM
dedalus–
I wouldn’t say that; I’d say Rudy has an exceptional record as a prosecutor, but Fred has a good one. Remember he got his start as an actor playing himself, as a prosecutor who put the governor of Tennessee in jail. And he also worked on Watergate.
So “no record” is a well-played response by Rudy, but not exactly accurate…
see-dubya on November 24, 2007 at 7:19 PM
Call me dumb, but I think I’d rather have no record than Rudy’s record.
Fred’s positions are very clear. He’s an actual conservative.
dogsoldier on November 24, 2007 at 7:20 PM
And Rudy does have a record?
Yes, he does have a record, quite a record, therein lies the problem.
MB4 on November 24, 2007 at 7:20 PM
MB4 on November 24, 2007 at 7:24 PM
Yes, he does have a record, quite a record, therein lies the problem.
MB4 on November 24, 2007 at 7:20 PM
Actually, Rudy’s record is not that bad for a candidate for president. I’ve seen worse. If he gets to the general election he will have a pretty good chance.
IMHO, Fred on the other hand, really has a feeble record and I can see the Clintons wiping the floor with him. Same with Mitt and Huck. McCain, bless him, frankly, is too old.
bnelson44 on November 24, 2007 at 7:24 PM
Rudy’s got it all!
MB4 on November 24, 2007 at 7:26 PM
Rudy lied. Fred does have a record:
As a US Attorney for three years he choose to used the resources of the US government that were put at his disposal to chase toothless banjo playing moonshiners. Then he was a mole for Nixon (who though Fred was stupid). Then he posed for a photo with Reagan, acted in Hollywood, lobbied for a dictator, an abortion group and against asbestos victims. He gave legal advice to the legal team defending the Libyan terrorist that killed 270 people in Lockerbie enabling them to avoid justice for 11 years. He was a Senator for 8 years (about the same level of experience as Hillary) during which time his notable accomplishments were botching the campaign finance investigation of Clinton, helping draft CFR, voting to keep a perjurer and an obstructor of justice in the oval office, and voting time and again to support his buddy Spencer Abraham’s open borders agenda. Then he decided he was too lazy to continue to serve his country as a Senator and decided to take the money he raised for he reelection campaign and funnel it to his son for “consulting” that never took place.
tommylotto on November 24, 2007 at 7:27 PM
Yeah Well- at least Fred don’t wear no dresses! or full make-up, or shave his legs and dress like a Rockette! We may be hillbillies- but we ain’t cross-dressin’ hillbillies!
Ex-tex on November 24, 2007 at 7:30 PM
Perdonenme.
MB4 on November 24, 2007 at 7:30 PM
Yes, you do have some standards.
Rudy on the other hand … … …
MB4 on November 24, 2007 at 7:31 PM
But how will the GOP ever get the cross dressing vote!!!
terryannonline on November 24, 2007 at 7:33 PM
MB4 on November 24, 2007 at 7:30 PM
The primaries are coming up quickly. I just don’t see any other Republican candidate that can beat the Clintons right now. You may not like Rudy, but there simply is no one else right now.
bnelson44 on November 24, 2007 at 7:35 PM
Maybe Rudy won’t need to find a Vice President, maybe his cross dressing alter ego can be the nominee. Then we can get portion of Hillary’s women voters!!!
terryannonline on November 24, 2007 at 7:41 PM
I took my troubles down to Rudy Tooty Rue
You know that RINO with the never ending 9/11 shtick
He’s got a pad down on Thirty-Fourth and Vine
Sellin’ little bottles of RINO Potion Number Nine
I told him that I was afraid of the Hillda Beast
It’s gotten even worse in these last few weeks
He kissed me on the cheek and he made a wise guy sign
He said “What you need is RINO Potion Number Nine”
He bent down and turned around and gave me a wink
He said “I’m gonna make it up right here in the sink”
It smelled like New Jersey, it looked like Mexican ink
I held my nose, I closed my eyes, I took a drink
I didn’t know if it was day or night
I started grabbin’ every gun in sight
But when I grabbed a ‘Bama boy’s gun down on Thirty-Fourth and
Vine
He broke my little bottle of RINO Potion Number Nine
—— guitar solo ——
I held my nose, I closed my eyes, I took a drink
I didn’t know if it was day or night
I started kissin’ every illegal alien in sight
But when I kissed La Raza Gonzales down on Thirty-Fourth and
Vine
He broke my little bottle of RINO Potion Number Nine
RINO Potion Number Nine
RINO Potion Number Nine
RINO Potion Number Nine
MB4 on November 24, 2007 at 7:42 PM
Defeatism
Pronunciation: \di-ˈfē-ˌti-zəm, dē-\
Function: noun
Date: 1918
: an attitude of accepting, expecting, or being resigned to defeat
— de·feat·ist \-tist\ noun or adjective
See Also B-Nelson-44
Nelsa on November 24, 2007 at 7:43 PM
Only Rudy is getting old.
There are others. It is only Nov, 2007.
Besides I would rather have another Democrat win than Democrat Rudy.
Would open up more for 2010 and 2012.
Maybe the Republicans would become a real opposition.
MB4 on November 24, 2007 at 7:46 PM
Good answer Rudy.
I like Rudy.. I like Fred.. I like Mitt.
I’ll be happy no matter who gets the nomination.
The rest of you whiney bitches should too.
VinceP1974 on November 24, 2007 at 7:50 PM
I have not heard Rudy mention a single policy or postion that he would promote as POTUS. What are his policy proposals? Social Security-Taxes-Securuity and the Armed Forces. The War on terror. Education..
Name one.
Nelsa on November 24, 2007 at 7:57 PM
MB4 is on his fifth drink and heading to the karaoke bar. time to go to another bar, er thread!
Bradky on November 24, 2007 at 8:02 PM
Refresh my memory.
Is it Rudy or “the rube” who’s the cousin humper?
Stephen M on November 24, 2007 at 8:17 PM
It would be fun for rudy to get the nod just to watch MB4 have an anyeurism.
its vintage duh on November 24, 2007 at 8:18 PM
That stunt that Rudy did at the NRA conference with the phone call shows that HE THINKS he is a MADE MAN so nothing he does matters because he’s going to be ‘made’ into the R nomination anyway.
Agreed, if it’s Rudy for the R’s, I’m hoping that the D wins (I mean the D other than Rudy).
Rudy does have a record. It is that of the Democrats. Rudy won’t win the South. Osama Bin Laden has a record, Saddam Hussein has a record, Mahmood Ahmadinejad has a record. Why does having a POOR record make Rudy better?
If Rudy is the nomination, you give the Democrat the POTUS. Mark it down. Rudy is the R’s Kerry.
ThackerAgency on November 24, 2007 at 8:23 PM
Rudy is a fighter, and if nominated he will fight for conservative principles better than any other candidate.
Man, I can’t wait to see him in the general. Rudy is going to carve the Dems several new orifices.
TallDave on November 24, 2007 at 8:25 PM
Lets see, in the time Rudy was Mayor, NYC lost clout worldwide as a financial leader, became a sanctuary city for illegals, and got hit by terrorists for the first time since Pearl Harbor.
So if he runs on that record and we can expect that for the entire country. . . America deserves what it gets. I don’t see how the only mayor in the country to get hit by terrorists automatically becomes more qualified than those candidates who have constituencies that have not been attacked by terrorists.
I’d say the fact that he did get attacked would make him a worse candidate. That’s like saying a QB who throws interceptions is better than one that doesn’t because he ‘knows what it’s like’.
I don’t want the USA to look like NYC did during his time as mayor.
ThackerAgency on November 24, 2007 at 8:26 PM
I think what is bothering some of the “anti-Rudy” folks is that for him to win the primary means more moderates and independents will cast a vote for him. “Let us pick the primary winner and you support us in the general” may not be the rule of thumb this time.
Bradky on November 24, 2007 at 8:27 PM
I got not yet begun tuh drink.
MB4 on November 24, 2007 at 8:28 PM
LOL have a good one.
Bradky on November 24, 2007 at 8:29 PM
tommylotto for the mother f’n win!
Vincenzo on November 24, 2007 at 8:30 PM
I forgot to say. . . and took everyone’s guns by trampling on their 2nd amendment rights. There are others (I haven’t heard many people talk about abortion and Rudy lately).
ThackerAgency on November 24, 2007 at 8:31 PM
Rudy is more savvy than Kerry. Also, running New York City is a challenging executive experience, while being a liberal senator from MA is pretty easy work with a lot less scrutiny.
dedalus on November 24, 2007 at 8:32 PM
Is it Rudy or “the rube” who’s the cousin humper?
Good point. WTF was up with that?
I don’t want the USA to look like NYC did during his time as mayor.
Amen to that.
amish on November 24, 2007 at 8:34 PM
Rudy is a fighter, and if nominated he will fight for conservative principles better than any other candidate.
Man, I can’t wait to see him in the general. Rudy is going to carve the Dems several new orifices.
TallDave on November 24, 2007 at 8:25 PM
Nelsa on November 24, 2007 at 8:34 PM
Rudy is more savvy than Kerry.
Not from where I’m sitting. I wouldn’t vote for Rudy any more than I would vote for a Democrat. I like all of the other candidates more than Rudy (including Hillary).
ThackerAgency on November 24, 2007 at 8:35 PM
What is more important, he will fight to get elected. And that is what the Republicans need against the Clintons.
bnelson44 on November 24, 2007 at 8:36 PM
Rudy won’t or he’d be Senator Rudy right now.
Its not the current? or future? Rudy ideologies that we don’t really know that’s the issue, the issue is the past Rudy ideologies, that we do know, that’s the real problem.
Speakup on November 24, 2007 at 8:37 PM
Correction—
Fight for what? Tell me ONE policy or Proposal that he has talked about if he get’s the nomination.
Name ONE!!!
Fred Thompson is already kicking Rudy’s butt in that category. Rudy aint saying anthing other than he saved NYC.
To quote Fred, “He [Rudy Giuliani]relates everything to New York City. Well, New York City is not emblematic of the rest of the country, I don’t think.
Nelsa on November 24, 2007 at 8:39 PM
The Republican party is moving further and further to the right. Its a slippery slope i think. G.W. turned out to be more liberal than i had expected in a lot of way.
If we support someone as liberal as Rudy this time, who will we be supporting next? Bloomberg? I mean he is a Republican right? And he(probably…maybe?) wouldnt be as bad as whoever the Dems run next time.
Screw that. Its time to make a stand and stop nominating RINOS.
amish on November 24, 2007 at 8:41 PM
Bnelson-I did not make the quote you atrributed to me above. What are you talking about? And Oh yea. Give me ONE policy/proposal that Rudy has made in the campaign.
Just ONE!
Nelsa on November 24, 2007 at 8:42 PM
You said a mouthful there!
SouthernGent on November 24, 2007 at 8:42 PM
From the time of Rudy’s election until now condo prices in Manhattan have approximately quadrupled. It is hard to say that the city is losing clout when there is so much demand to live here. The most expensive apartments are bought by hedge fund managers.
dedalus on November 24, 2007 at 8:44 PM
Now there is a good reason to vote for Rudy. (If you happen to own a condo in NEW YORK CITY!!!. lol
How about the the people that cant afford to buy one now! Better check to see how many overseas buyers are in the market as well.. HMMMM
Nelsa on November 24, 2007 at 8:49 PM
dedalus on November 24, 2007 at 8:44 PM
but the money now is going to Singapore, Tokyo, Hong Kong, and Shanghai where it used to all go to NY. Chicago actually has better trading than NY now in commodities. I’d probably recommend a couple of South Korea stocks to basically anything on the NY Stock Exchange other than Google.
Flight to quality OUTSIDE OF NY would be unheard of when Rudy first became the mayor.
ThackerAgency on November 24, 2007 at 8:49 PM
AND most of the condos are being bought by foreign nationals. . . Great job Rudy. Sell out our country please.
ThackerAgency on November 24, 2007 at 8:50 PM
I’m still waiting on that policy or proposal that the Rudy will implement if he becomes potus.
Just ONE!
Not a hard question…
Nelsa on November 24, 2007 at 8:50 PM
Heh.
One great thing about you, MB4: when someone gives you lemons you use a slice as garnish on your drink.
baldilocks on November 24, 2007 at 8:51 PM
I keep seeing that people think Rudy will fight for conservative principles. Why, when his principles have been liberal rather than conservative? Oh, he said he would! Now if Hillary came up and said she would fight for conservative principles all of a sudden you’d believe you too?
Nope, I’m smart enough to look at their track records and not just what they say when they want your vote.
Buzzy on November 24, 2007 at 8:52 PM
Your ignorance is of epic proportions. Read, explore, learn, educate yourself, study, enlighten, discover, expand, grow, shut up.
tommylotto on November 24, 2007 at 8:56 PM
I’ve lived in NY through Koch, Dinkins, Rudy & Bloomberg, and I’m not saying that you should vote for Rudy. He’s not my first choice among the current GOP candidates, and wouldn’t even be my first choice among NYC mayors.
There are a lot of foreign buyers in NYC because of the cheap dollar. Still, NYC is one of very few real estate market in the United States that had significant price runups in the past decade and isn’t currently giving them back.
dedalus on November 24, 2007 at 8:57 PM
Damn straight.
Way too much fanboy-ism and nervous chicken-fighting, not nearly enough confidence in and pride at the caliber of the candidates that the Repubs have to choose from this year.
Harpazo on November 24, 2007 at 9:01 PM
Nesla: Here you go. He made this long before Fred got in, so maybe you missed ‘em, since almost all comments have been on #8 since that time.
Spirit of 1776 on November 24, 2007 at 9:16 PM
It is really embarasing to have Rudy as a Republican. If he switched to Dem, he could give Hellery a run for the DEM nom.
AZCON on November 24, 2007 at 9:16 PM
The Chicago Merc has always been a large commodities exchange, but I believe the NYMEX is still the world’s largest. The NYSE is still the world’s largest in terms its company’s market capitalization. This week I saw an analyst set a target of $900 for GOOG, might be a good buy but you’d have to buy it on NASDAQ not NYSE—I think all the NYSE tickers still have 3, or fewer, letters.
The falling knife decline of the US dollar is a big concern. Countries are moving more of their reserves away from dollars and into Euros. Conceivably, the US and New York could become less of a center for commerce, but it won’t be due to the Mayor.
South Korea has been a great investment and probably will continue to be. I have friends who are shorting the Chinese market which nearly everyone thinks needs to pull back.
dedalus on November 24, 2007 at 9:17 PM
It’s a free market. The mayor can’t step in and stop you from selling your condo to a foreigner. There was a similar concern in the 80’s when the Japanese bought up a lot of Manhattan real estate. The Americans got the money, the Japanese got the real estate…and in a lot of cases (like Rockefeller Center) they sold the properties back to Americans for a loss.
dedalus on November 24, 2007 at 9:25 PM
A Group of “Promises”? He cant promise anything. He has to tell us HOW he is going to do it and PAY for it.
Nelsa on November 24, 2007 at 9:29 PM
Rudy, your RECORD is the problem.
Gatordoug on November 24, 2007 at 9:39 PM
Oh, I must have misread your question. I thought you asked for his policies or positions.
For specifics though, you can look under those 12 subheadings - will get your answer there if I understand your request correctly.
I can understand an irritation about a group of promises without detail though. I definitely get that sense from Fred.
Spirit of 1776 on November 24, 2007 at 9:46 PM
Talk about the most arrogant and misleading
As Mayor he personally cut unemployment in Half?
As Mayor he cut Crime? (Hint it was already dropping)
Cut Taxes? Gee ask any New Yorker how much they are enjoying their tax cuts
Rudy’s 15 minutes are about to evaporate in 6 weeks
EricPWJohnson on November 24, 2007 at 9:54 PM
Your ignorance is of epic proportions. Read, explore, learn, educate yourself, study, enlighten, discover, expand, grow, shut up.
tommylotto on November 24, 2007 at 8:56 PM—————————-
Tommylotto: Just listen to the great video you led me to.
To Quote Rudy, “We are laying out a declaration of 12 commitments to the American people. It’s a group of PROMISES…”
Which is it? A commitment or a promise
The first dozen words out of his mouth are a flip flop…..
Nelsa on November 24, 2007 at 10:06 PM
You are correct. I was going to correct that that it is a NASDAQ stock and not a NYSE stock, but didn’t want to post again to correct it.
BUT my point is that the mayor is taking credit for ‘managing’ the center for commerce so that makes him qualified. He has nothing to do with it PERIOD. But he’ll take credit for it as though he did. AND during his watch many companies that COULD HAVE chosen to be listed on the NYSE chose not to because they got better exposure in other places.
As I said, I bring it up because he touts his record in NYC. His record is not so good in several areas that he takes credit for. Reducing crime is not good if you trample on 2nd amendment rights. . . and other parts of his ‘record’ that are not good.
Rudy won’t cop to anything that he might have done that was wrong. Other than the general ‘I hope nobody expects a perfect candidate’, he never admits he was wrong. He won’t say he was wrong to sue gun manufacturers.
He won’t say he was wrong to take guns away. He won’t say he was wrong about anything. That’s the problem I have with his positions. He just changes them and hopes that people forget. Now he supports gun rights - but he won’t say he was wrong for taking those rights away. For a conservative it is SCARY that the ‘leading candidate’ believes he was not wrong for suing gun manufacturers for providing a legal product.
He won’t win the POTUS. Put him up and the Dem will win. Of course New Yawkers will blame it on everyone else. . . but the fact remains he’ll lose.
ThackerAgency on November 24, 2007 at 10:08 PM
I’m not so sure that Casey shows much about the importance of the “pro-life” issue in winning PA. My conversations with people in Pittsburgh who could have voted either way was that they were disgusted by Santorum’s extremism on abortion and homosexuality. Of course, there was anti-war sentiment and perhaps it was enough to make Santorum lose, but when you look at the magnitude of Santorum’s defeat, Iraq alone is hardly sufficient to explain it.
(Full Disclosure: I voted for Casey, because Santorum was just far out for me on abortion and gay issues, though I did have considerable reluctance to vote for Casey over immigration and terrorism issues. Obviously, I could be projecting or perhaps my sample was biased. I sincerely believe that my sample was accurate relative to Pittsburgh moderates. At least, people who randomly sat beside on the bus or at my fitness center all made a big deal of Santorum’s stance on social issues and did not mention the war. The PA Senate race, at least in Pittsburgh, was a referendum on Santorum’s stance on social issues. Casey could have been a yellow dog.)
thuja on November 24, 2007 at 10:22 PM
Yes, he does see NYC’s recovery as the Rudy show. That and saving everyone on 9/11. As I said, he isn’t my candidate.
dedalus on November 24, 2007 at 10:23 PM
Nice, Nelsa, you ignored my post where I linked you to all the in depth answers…
Note how many of them are free market solutions as well.
Okay, maybe I’m stupid. What is the difference between a commitment and a promise in this context?
I think you are a hack, and a poor one at that.
tommylotto on November 24, 2007 at 10:33 PM
With that kind of attitude we would still be under British rule.
MB4 on November 24, 2007 at 10:34 PM
Do not sell yourself short!
Gatordoug on November 24, 2007 at 10:35 PM
Tommy has a madre’s love for nino Rudolfo.
Such love is blind.
MB4 on November 24, 2007 at 10:46 PM
With that kind of attitude we would still be under British rule.
MB4 on November 24, 2007 at 10:47 PM
I could not help myself, it was too easy
Gatordoug on November 24, 2007 at 10:48 PM
Spirit-That is a fare response. I guess they are all promising something. It’s the how they are going to accomplish it that concerns me. The Fred dig was not needed. He has promises too. They are just a little more detailed than Rudy’s
Nelsa on November 24, 2007 at 10:48 PM
I did not ignore you- I thanked you for the video. As for a “hack” OUCH! That weeeeeely hurted…..
Nelsa on November 24, 2007 at 10:54 PM
I didn’t mean that as a dig, I was just being honest. That (along with CFR) was my biggest problem with him - he would always say that there ‘are things that only a President can do’ but didn’t ever elaborate. If it is so pressing, tell me what it is…even now I don’t know why he is running. So again - not meant as a dig, I honestly found that frustrating. I think he took a major step though in rolling out his SS plan - that’s a legitimate effort toward policy disclosure.
Spirit of 1776 on November 24, 2007 at 11:09 PM
Rudy’s keeps saying that he lowered crime in NYC and so he is qualified to be president. How does a president lower crime by 60% in the United States? Does he have a plan?
Rose on November 24, 2007 at 11:12 PM
Rudy not Rudy’s, sorry.
Rose on November 24, 2007 at 11:23 PM
Danke baldilocks - that is so true and endearing about ours MB4. Never heard the expression before but I love it!
Bradky, good to see you back.
I’m sincerely worried about the whereabouts of csdeven. Hope to see him back soon. The comments on a thread like this w/b many more, and more intense.
Entelechy on November 24, 2007 at 11:36 PM
Rudy pwns Fred again, as expected.
awake on November 24, 2007 at 11:40 PM
Hey E! I made it up. :-)
baldilocks on November 24, 2007 at 11:40 PM
Thanks Entelechy. I appreciate that. And good to chat with you again.
I think CSDeven is probably visiting for Thanksgiving and will be back in a few days. A break from the internet every once in awhile is refreshing.
Bradky on November 24, 2007 at 11:49 PM
Wow, I didn’t see that one coming.
- The Cat
MirCat on November 24, 2007 at 11:59 PM
In central PA, if you come in pro-choice and anti-gun, you’ll go nowhere. Rudy will need every vote he can get in central PA. People are pretty pro-life in my city, and lets just say I see a lot of guys wearing camo at least a month before hunting season even starts!
Not to mention all the NRA, GOA and assorted sportmans and shooters organization stickers that I see in car and truck windows. You can’t take central PA for granted if you’re a GOPer trying to win in PA, and Rudy’s abysmal record on 2A issues and his pro-choice record is gonna hurt.
And that’s a small city, it only gets more conservative when you leave the city.
Bad Candy on November 25, 2007 at 12:15 AM
I’ll revise, I won’t say he’ll go nowhere, but he’s gonna hurt because he’ll lose a lot of voters who aren’t gonna cave on principle, and I have doubts the numbers of squish moderates will even make up what he loses there.
Bad Candy on November 25, 2007 at 12:20 AM
Really? And where has Fred actually “implemented” this record? In Tennessee? I don’t think so. On TV? Doesn’t count.
If he has actually implemented this anywhere at all - I have missed it. His voting record doesn’t even match up with it in all cases.
No - gotta go with Rudy on this one: Fred HAS no record.
grtflmark on November 25, 2007 at 12:27 AM
I am sure that Rudy has some kind of a plan.
Maybe he will make Kerik National Crime Czar.
Berny knows a lot about crime.
MB4 on November 25, 2007 at 1:00 AM
I’d just like to say for the record that I’ve BEEN to Thompson’s house, and he has at least a hundred records. Most of them are 33’s.
Kevin M on November 25, 2007 at 1:29 AM
So Thompson has at least a hundred records and Rudy is a broken record.
MB4 on November 25, 2007 at 1:55 AM
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