McCain spends Thanksgiving in Iraq
posted at 8:35 pm on November 24, 2007 by Bryan
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Sen. John McCain made a surprise trip to spend his Thanksgiving with the troops in Baghdad.
ABC News’ Ron Claiborne Reports: Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., spent two days in Iraq this week, meeting with Gen. David Petraeus and sharing Thanksgiving lunch and dinner with U.S. troops.
On Friday morning he held talks with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and Vice President Adel Abdulmahdi. His office said he also met with Iraqi police and security forces.
The Arizona Republican senator told ABC’s Aaron Katersky in Baghdad that he had seen further evidence of progress in Iraq.
“Winning is what we’re doing,” McCain said. “Having the Iraq military take over more of our responsibilities, have violence down.” But he added: “We have a long way to go.”
Credit where it’s due: McCain has made many trips to Iraq and has been the most vocal senator in support of the mission there for years. He stumped for President Bush’s re-election in 2004 based pretty much solely on that issue and probably swayed more than a few independents to stick with the President. If McCain hadn’t betrayed conservative principles so many times over the years, he would probably be the odds on favorite in the primary right now. But he has, so he isn’t, and in many ways that’s too bad. In a time war, I think we need a serious leader who knows warfare up close, and McCain does. But his baggage may prove to be too much of a drag.
The actual leader in the GOP primaries, Rudy Giuliani, hasn’t been to Iraq yet. At all. Campaign Spot has a curious note about why Rudy hasn’t made the trip.
Team Rudy offers a statement from Katie Levinson, Communications Director:
“Of course Rudy wants to go to Iraq and he has made that very clear to the Administration for some time. Unfortunately, when he goes is not ultimately his decision and Rudy understands that.”
What does this mean? Giuliani is a private citizen and could have gone to Iraq on his own anytime between the beginning of the war in 2003 and the point at which he announced his candidacy for the presidency, which was in November 2006. So he had 3 1/2 years in which time he could have gone to Iraq without any Secret Service tagalongs. He could presumably go anytime now with minimal or even no Secret Service protection. The Bush administration doesn’t control who does and doesn’t go to Iraq. Numerous Democrats have been, Congressmen and Senators from both parties have been, hundreds and possibly thousands of private citizens have been either to embed as journalists or bloggers or just to work contract jobs or to look-see. The Bush administration hasn’t stopped any of them, and I can’t imagine that it would stop Giuliani from going without some urgent security reason to do so. I must be missing something, because it seems to me that the decision to go or not is Giuliani’s. I’m not saying that his not going to Iraq is any big deal, nor am I saying that it will have much of an effect on the primaries. I’m just curious as to why the Giuliani campaign is essentially blaming Bush on this. Am I the only one who finds this line from the Giuliani camp odd?
(the front page photo is Sen. McCain during an earlier trip to Iraq.)
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He is a great American and a great senator. God bless him.
bnelson44 on November 24, 2007 at 8:38 PM
Don’t speculate that his staff is lying. Tell us when you know something.
tommylotto on November 24, 2007 at 8:39 PM
Bryan, I thought the same thing when I read it.
bnelson44 on November 24, 2007 at 8:39 PM
tommy it doesn’t matter whether or not they are lying. The fact is that Rudy HAS NOT been to Iraq. Do you really believe that if Rudy wanted to go to Iraq, he wouldn’t be allowed?
Tons of people have gone. Bill O’R, Michelle, Bryan have all gone without incident. why can’t Rudy just fess up to saying that he didn’t want to go? Because that’s not what a leader does. Rudy won’t be all that good on the WOT. Rudy has never cast a vote in favor of or against our military. He has ZERO experience with our military (was he ever in the military?) and he blames his lack of going to Iraq on BOOOOSH? Sound like a Dem tactic to me.
Rudy won’t cop to anything that may be perceived as not being so good. That’s the problem I have with his character more than anything.
ThackerAgency on November 24, 2007 at 8:45 PM
I’m not speculating that his staff is lying, as that hadn’t really occurred to me. Levinson is Giuliani’s Communications Director, so presumably the statement has his blessing. I’m just curious about it is all. It doesn’t add up.
Bryan on November 24, 2007 at 8:46 PM
Dammit John, why are you so screwed up with liberal campaign finance stuff and amnesty for alien criminals? Haven’t you heard that if you bed down with the dogs you’ll wake up with fleas? If not for that you’d have my vote but sadly because of that I’d never vote for you.
Buzzy on November 24, 2007 at 8:47 PM
Sen. McCain, I would so vote for you if weren’t so willing to give amnesty to illegal criminals.
SouthernGent on November 24, 2007 at 8:47 PM
Well,tommylotto, someone there is not telling the truth.
R D on November 24, 2007 at 8:48 PM
I like John and would have voted for him if not for the Immigration fiasco. But then that was pushed from the topdown by Bush as well.
But on National defense non are as good as the two exmilitary guys on this issue. John McCain and Duncan Hunter.
William Amos on November 24, 2007 at 8:55 PM
McCain is a great American, but a lousy Republican. I’d rather have him than any on the Dim side, but he’s made his bed with conservatives.
I don’t totally discount Rudy taking cues from the White House about visiting Iraq. But honestly, besides the photo op, what do you think he’ll be doing there? Believe me, the troops are more excited about seeing Toby Keith or Drew Carey or Wayne Freaking Newton than a politician.
I think this is a pretty poor litmus test.
Sugar Land on November 24, 2007 at 8:58 PM
At least he wasnt at the local soup kitchen passing out food like some politicians.
Not saying that isnt a nice gesture but ultimately it is a gesture.
William Amos on November 24, 2007 at 8:59 PM
They have DAILY scheduled flights into Baghdad on civilian carriers. Not to mention government sponsored charters. No excuses for not going G-man.
On a side note. A weird thing I noticed last time I went through there. The departure and arrival boards and the clocks all over the airport are frozen. I was told they stopped during the initial attack on Baghdad and have never been fixed. I don’t know if it’s true or not but it was kinda creepy when the guy was talking to me about it. There are STILL visible bullet holes in the building. Must have been a hell of fight there.
Guardian on November 24, 2007 at 8:59 PM
The fact remains, no other candidate went. I was a bit surprised W didn’t go, but the holiday weekend isn’t quite over yet.
R D on November 24, 2007 at 9:02 PM
It was implied in your post that she was not being honest. You do not know the circumstances of Rudy’s requests nor the administration’s response. Nevertheless, you packaged it as it it were a lie, but of course you know nothing. You maybe right you may be wrong, but you are speculating.
tommylotto on November 24, 2007 at 9:02 PM
Senator Lieberman also made the trip:
Michael in MI on November 24, 2007 at 9:06 PM
tommylotto Read this.
R D on November 24, 2007 at 9:08 PM
Finding something odd isn’t the same thing as suspecting someone of lying.
Here’s a something else to consider: other than McCain, have any of the other presidential candidates–D or R–gone to Iraq and/or Afghanistan since announcing his/her candidacy? (Yes, HRC has been to both countries before she announced.) If not, it would be interesting to speculate why not.
baldilocks on November 24, 2007 at 9:10 PM
(McCain is a special case for obvious reasons.)
baldilocks on November 24, 2007 at 9:11 PM
I’d vote for Mr. Lieberman for anything he ran for.
R D on November 24, 2007 at 9:12 PM
Weren’t there reports of bunkers under the airport?
bnelson44 on November 24, 2007 at 9:19 PM
John is a saint.but I could never vote for him.
Yes.
AZCON on November 24, 2007 at 9:23 PM
Lindsey Graham(nesty) went along for the ride to Iraq also. :-)
Seriously, I’m betting that, aside from Senator McCain, none of the 2008 presidential candidates have been to Iraq or Afghanistan since they announced their candidacy. And if one other candidates has been in the war zone(s), I would bet that it’s Duncan Hunter–the other retired military officer.
Just speculation here: I don’t think that it’s a matter of the Bush Administration stopping Giuliani or any of the others, but a matter of them possibly being special Jihadi targets because of their candidacy. With McCain’s well-known POW background, he couldn’t care less. The others, however… It might be just that simple.
As I said, however, I’m just guessing like the rest.
baldilocks on November 24, 2007 at 9:47 PM
Rudy should at least make a visit to Irag,like,
before the GOP convention to finalize who the nominee
is going be,or some smart !ss Liberal moderator is
going to ask the question, “Rudy you’ve been a supporter,no
a cheerleader on the WOT,yet you haven’t been to Irag,
let alone talked to any soldiers,can you explain”.
Senator McCain went to Irag,as a Republican,he’s made
some missteps,however,I can’t say anything bad about
him,at least somebody,went to Irag and he did,at least
some lib didn’t go for a photo-op,and that alone should
be telling,maybe Liberals now know “We Support the Troops”,
isn’t going to fly anymore,people have caught on.
canopfor on November 24, 2007 at 10:00 PM
He is hedging his bets on Iraq. He has been doing that for some time.
But in discussing the deployment of more troops, Mr. Giuliani has been alone in saying that such a strategy may not succeed, potentially providing him cover should the situation in Iraq deteriorate further. And he has put the strategy in a broader context that plays down the importance of Iraq.
MB4 on November 24, 2007 at 10:05 PM
Good for McCain, but his amnesty ideas make his unvote-able.
profitsbeard on November 24, 2007 at 10:05 PM
You’d win that bet
He went and visited his son who’s over in Iraq in the Marines
William Amos on November 24, 2007 at 10:05 PM
his = him unvote-able
profitsbeard on November 24, 2007 at 10:06 PM
Well Im shocked
Mitt Makes Iraqi Visit
William Amos on November 24, 2007 at 10:09 PM
Just a technical point. Hunter is former military (Army), not retired.
MB4 on November 24, 2007 at 10:13 PM
I may not put much clout into a pol’s “feeding the hungry masses” a la Dodd recently, but visiting Iraq or Afghanistan is a good way to show solidarity with the troops, who (I would think, at least) would be grateful for visits from any pol who supports their war, not just blandly claims to “support the troops” while knifing them in the back politically (Reid, Edwards, Obama, et.al.), or else speaking poorly of their mission (Hillary, call your office).
Wanderlust on November 24, 2007 at 10:14 PM
Credit to McCain for being with our troops.
Nevertheless, the entire GOP field of candidates is (yawn) underwhelming.
Zorro on November 24, 2007 at 10:31 PM
compared to the Democrats?
bnelson44 on November 24, 2007 at 10:38 PM
Yes, but the timing is the key: he didn’t announce until this year.
baldilocks on November 24, 2007 at 10:40 PM
Nev
Is a difference between yawning and frightening
William Amos on November 24, 2007 at 10:42 PM
Mitt’s visit was in 2006. Also Duncan Hunter’s visit was in 2004. Remember what I postulated: other than McCain, the candidates won’t go since they announcing their candidacies because of possible security issues.
baldilocks on November 24, 2007 at 10:49 PM
Yet Hillary was over there not too long ago
William Amos on November 24, 2007 at 10:53 PM
announcing=announced
baldilocks on November 24, 2007 at 10:56 PM
Hillary in Iraq 2007
William Amos on November 24, 2007 at 10:57 PM
She announced a couple of weeks later.
baldilocks on November 24, 2007 at 11:02 PM
We were told that we were all free, and could go when and where we pleased. That this was the day for which we had been so long praying, but fearing that we would never live to see.
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Booker T. WashingtonJohn McCain (1973)MB4 on November 25, 2007 at 12:01 AM
Don’t get it. Whatcha drinkin’? :-)
baldilocks on November 25, 2007 at 12:17 AM
I’d like to float the idea of a Debate (where military folks get to ask questions) in Iraq.
- The Cat
MirCat on November 25, 2007 at 12:20 AM
Isn’t it harder for Rudy to make it to Iraq because he ISN’T a politician at this time? (Campaigning does not count as being in office) Especially when there are fedreal travel restrictions.
Civilian clearances not contract related are harder to obtain than political clearances.
And you cannot campaign in a war zone or on a military base/property. That is against the law, and UCMJ.
El Guapo on November 25, 2007 at 12:29 AM
We do get to. And planted questions are included as well. Remember the Rumsfeld debacle on the planted question about body armor (but a darn good question at that, but should have also been direct to Hill and Bill Clinton too since their era was the one approving all the military budget cuts).
El Guapo on November 25, 2007 at 12:32 AM
Interesting points. I suspect Rudy’s camp made a request and was told “no”, because he would be a high value target civilian requiring a large amount of security with no legitimate reason to visit other than to campaign for political office.
McCain could go (with government provided security) because he is a Senator there on official government business, wink, wink.
Maybe Bryan should look into the specifics and issue an apology for the implication of this post.
tommylotto on November 25, 2007 at 12:45 AM
One thing you have to admit about McCain….well two things….they are brass, bullet proof, and not effected by kryptonite. They can take the heat from the Right, the Left, and the butchers.
I can’t support him in the primaries, because of the immigration issue, but he deserves our respect and big thank you.
Limerick on November 25, 2007 at 12:49 AM
Hmmm. UCMJ only applies to AD members, which none of the candidates are. US Code maybe?
That, however, brings up another thought. It would look rather crass (IMO) for any of the candidates to use a war zones for campaign points, whether it’s illegal or not. Since he’s been there so many times (and because of his service), McCain obviously isn’t there to score points. Additionally he the other senators are there only in their legislative capacities. As for the other candidates, however, such a visit might be viewed using the troops for vote-getting purposes.
baldilocks on November 25, 2007 at 12:51 AM
What “implications” are you getting at? His excuse is lame. Do you mean to tell me that if Giuliani in 2004 or 2005 or 2006 prior to announcing his run wanted to go to Baghdad on a fact-finding mission, the Bush administration wouldn’t have let him? I just don’t think that’s true. Mitt got over there. He was a governor at the time, but not in Congress and therefore not directly responsible for Iraq policy any more than Rudy is. I asked a question, one that was actually first raised over at Campaign Spot and that the Giuliani campaign ought to have anticipated. No one is suggesting that Rudy ought to go to Iraq and campaign on a base, certainly not me. I just wondered why he hadn’t been and didn’t and don’t buy the reason that his campaign has offered. I’m to apologize for that? I don’t think so.
Bryan on November 25, 2007 at 12:52 AM
Forged at the Hanoi Hilton. Too bad.
baldilocks on November 25, 2007 at 12:53 AM
Forgive my grammar errors. I’m not drinking, really! Maybe that’s the problem.
baldilocks on November 25, 2007 at 1:02 AM
have you ever thought that maybe, um, that actually COULD be a reason. it’s not that ridiculous to think that he could be a target.
its vintage duh on November 25, 2007 at 1:21 AM
your implications that something not-too-honest is going on lies in you characterization of it as “lame”. what if there really are security threats levelled at him specifically?
i have a feeling that if they were, and he released this information, that people would be all over it saying he released for political reasons.
its vintage duh on November 25, 2007 at 1:27 AM
unlike any other repub. candidate, McCain can easily beat any dem.
there is no substitute for victory.
etc. etc. etc.
treyevans on November 25, 2007 at 1:49 AM
Goof greif Bush was over there and I cant think of a bigger target for the Jihadists to hit
William Amos on November 25, 2007 at 2:16 AM
Yes but that’s Bush, i.e. the guy who sent the troops over there.
Actually, as I’ve stated repeatedly, I think that’s why none of them, save McCain, are going. And not because they’re afraid (necessarily). The Bush Admin is probably advising them not to go for this reason. McCain, of course, is a special case.
Bryan, I’m sure you’re researching this. I look forward to reading what you discover, if anything.
baldilocks on November 25, 2007 at 2:29 AM
I’ll never tell. Secret recipe. Yippee yahoo!!!
MB4 on November 25, 2007 at 3:16 AM
For Veterans day, Bush visits the troops in Walter Reed’s heroes wards.
For Thanksgiving, Bush calls the troops and wishes them a happy Thanksgiving.
What did Hillary do for Veterans day and Thanksgiving?
Illinois has several NG and Reserve units in Iraq. Did he call those units on Thanksgiving day and wish them a happy Thanksgiving?
You know the answers to these two questions….
georgej on November 25, 2007 at 5:50 AM
Illinois has several NG and Reserve units in Iraq. Did he
Should read:
Illinois has several NG and Reserve units in Iraq. Did Obama
georgej on November 25, 2007 at 5:51 AM
McCain having spent Thanksgiving with the general would have given him the chance to be at the same dinner with Michael Yon who has been there since dirt was invented.
I hope he took advantage of the opportunity to converse with Michael on his viewpoints and perspective.
CommentGuy on November 25, 2007 at 7:58 AM
I don’t know how I feel exactly about politicos going to Iraq for photo ops. If they go to pump up the troops, fine. If they go to look good in the papers, they suck!
I also know that sometimes these visits divert resources from important work in these areas just to provide security, food, lodging and a host of other services for the visitor and their entourage, which can number in the hundreds. The campains don’t pay for that, we taxpayers do.
conservnut on November 25, 2007 at 7:58 AM
Bryan- when you ask…
I’m just curious as to why the Giuliani campaign is essentially blaming Bush on this. Am I the only one who finds this line from the Giuliani camp odd?
Ex-tex on November 25, 2007 at 8:59 AM
More than a private citizen, the state department would have made sure he could have gone on one of their junkets. He is much, much more than a “private” citizen. He just didn’t care enough.
But, if you go for a photo op…please stay home, our fighting men aren’t there as your campaign props.
right2bright on November 25, 2007 at 10:46 AM
Apparently you have not heard of private citizens going over as guests of the state department?
You honestly do not think Rudy has enough influence to be invited by the state department (That stupid liberal comedian Griffin (griffen or griffith) got over there?
And here is the trap…if he does not have that influence, this is a man you want leading the U.S? A person who can’t get a trip over to a war zone that he, more than any man (he would claim), has campaigned and fought for?…at least on safe U.S. soil.
Either he is ducking, afraid, doesn’t care, isn’t thinking ahead, not telling the truth, or the state department is refusing to assist him…which one do you really think?
right2bright on November 25, 2007 at 10:56 AM
how can Rudy expect to be prez if he won’t visit the troops?
he must be a dumbocrat.
madmonkphotog on November 25, 2007 at 11:11 AM
My very liberal sister says she favors McCain.
Maybe he is our most electable choice…
mikeyboss on November 25, 2007 at 11:49 AM
I understand the frustration. Just one candidate that will not grant amnesty, enforce current law, and has a chance in the general.
Theworldisnotenough on November 25, 2007 at 1:40 PM
You think it is odd Bryan? I would expect Giuliani to make a lame excuse. You’ve no doubt heard his defense for funding abortion. If he can rationalize his past position that lamely/absurdly why not lay it at the feet of Bush?
Giuliani greatest asset is his veneer of being a great leader that lead his city out of 9/11, and by default comes off as pro-troop. Admitting that he has not gone to Iraq because he did not want to do so takes a little sheen off that venner. Any excuse will do, but I do not think he is blaming Bush per se, just using “red tape” as a convenient scapegoat.
Theworldisnotenough on November 25, 2007 at 1:47 PM
Trips, usually dog and pony shows, to Iraq and Afganistan aren’t exactly everything.
In Oregon, last I heard anyway, the Governor has gone to every funeral of anyone from the Oregon National Guard, not sure about Reserves and Regular, killed in Iraq or Afghanistan, but as far as I know, he as not been to Iraq or Afghanistan.
MB4 on November 25, 2007 at 2:19 PM
Not Rudy Potion No. 9 anyway.
aengus on November 25, 2007 at 9:30 PM
Is that anywhere near Iraf? :)
aengus on November 25, 2007 at 9:32 PM
I would bet Rudy has a trip scheduled around Christmas. Obviously they do not talk about it.
TallDave on November 26, 2007 at 1:55 AM
I just wondered why he hadn’t been and didn’t and don’t
Bryan – why do you argue with that ‘tool’? This is your website and if you so desire you can imply any GD thing you want to. I don’t see that you implied anything anyhow.
If I was in your position I would tell this guy to FO and, along with his cohort, (you know who I mean) go spew their venom elsewhere.
OBX Pete on November 26, 2007 at 9:43 AM
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