Dem candidates confront the unthinkable: Progress in Iraq
posted at 2:37 pm on November 24, 2007 by Allahpundit
The Times piece on Tuesday served official notice to the intelligentsia that the Narrative was changing, however temporarily. Today’s story reports on the resulting fine-tuning of the anti-war message: Sure there’s been progress, but it don’t mean a thing if it ain’t got that reconciliation swing.
Ever the pragmatist, Hillary was positioning herself for this fully three months ago.
As violence declines in Baghdad, the leading Democratic presidential candidates are undertaking a new and challenging balancing act on Iraq: acknowledging that success, trying to shift the focus to the lack of political progress there, and highlighting more domestic concerns like health care and the economy.
Advisers to Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama say that the candidates have watched security conditions improve after the troop escalation in Iraq and concluded that it would be folly not to acknowledge those gains. At the same time, they are arguing that American casualties are still too high, that a quick withdrawal is the only way to end the war and that the so-called surge in additional troops has not paid off in political progress in Iraq…
Lately, as the killing in Baghdad and other areas has declined, the Democratic candidates have been dwelling less on the results of the troop escalation than on the lack of new government accords in Iraq — a tonal shift from last summer and fall when American military commanders were preparing to testify before Congress asking for more time to allow the surge to show results.
This is a delicate matter. By saying the effects of the troop escalation have not led to a healthier political environment, the candidates are tacitly acknowledging that the additional troops have, in fact, made a difference on the ground — a viewpoint many Democratic voters might not embrace.
Were hawks who were in denial about the spiraling reprisals after the Samarra shrine bombing ever given the benefit of having their denial described, with exquisite neutrality, as their “viewpoint”? It reminds me of Jim McGreevey’s infamous reference to “my truth.” Anyway, in four months, if things stay quiet and there’s any movement politically, the message will shift to “declare victory and go home.” Another four months of the same and the message will shift again to crediting Petraeus and the troops for overcoming the albatross of Republican leadership to achieve meaningful gains (a message with more than a little truth behind it), which, needless to say, will make for a mighty interesting reversal. In the meantime, though, despair springs eternal.
As an illustration of the Democrats’ momentary discomfort on the war, check out who they recruited to deliver the response to Bush’s radio address today, replete with obligatory phony disclaimer that he’s not speaking on behalf of the Democratic Party even though he was, in simple point of fact, speaking on behalf of the Democratic Party. If only we’d had a man of his foresight and candor in charge in Iraq in, say, 2003.










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Um, we were for it before we were against it…
see-dubya on November 24, 2007 at 2:40 PM
Who wants a bet that the Defeatocrats come next autumn will be claiming credit for on going progress in Iraq?
RobCon on November 24, 2007 at 2:47 PM
Sometime in the next few months expect liberals to attempt to frame themselves as champion of Patriots.
Liberals don’t have the stones to admit wrong (though they demand it from Republicans) so the only thing left they can do is to try climbing on the victory wagon and we can expect the MSM to contrive their appearance at the front, where they were all along, of course.
Registered, in denial Democrats might just agree and put their heads back in the sand until election day, its amazing how many of them do have their heads in a hole.
Speakup on November 24, 2007 at 2:57 PM
Isn’t Sanchez one of the guys the Liberals more-less wanted hung?
RobCon Just like Reid took credit for Rush Limbaugh’s multimillion $$ fund raiser for the Marines, the Dems will do the same. But some, like Reid, will be like Iraq’s past Info Minister, and will keep telling lies about defeat.
But then again we have them on record saying, “We support the troops but not hte mission.” So how can they take credit if they are on record aying they never supported the mission?
Thank God I don’t have the short term memory that they rely on to get elected.
El Guapo on November 24, 2007 at 3:03 PM
To think that the Democrats have America’s best interests at heart requires the willing suspension of disbelief.
Drew on November 24, 2007 at 3:04 PM
I’d more expect them to follow the olbermann strategy. simply do not talk about iraq any more. forget it exists. with all the public quotes, it’d be about impossible for the democrats to pivot now.
lorien1973 on November 24, 2007 at 3:04 PM
I’d more expect them to follow the olbermann strategy. simply do not talk about iraq any more. forget it exists.
Didnt the media and Clinton LLC do that too during their era with the genocides in Africa? Ignoring a problem, or addressing everything but its real cause, only makes it worse. It will never go away in its own.
El Guapo on November 24, 2007 at 3:09 PM
I always think its funny when liberals complain about the Iraqi parliament not getting anything done, especially considering how little our own do-nothing congress has gotten done. It could probably be argued that the Iraqi’s have met more benchmarks than them lol
Keli on November 24, 2007 at 3:17 PM
So where would the Dems tack if we were to “declare victory and go home” only to have Iraq and neighbors erupt into a broader, more violent conflict?
PatrickS on November 24, 2007 at 3:32 PM
El Guapo–
I bet someone with some time and determination could dredge up all kinds of interesting quotes made by liberals about Gen. Sanchez in the past…
see-dubya on November 24, 2007 at 3:46 PM
Um, we were
foragainst it before we wereagainstfor it…Valiant on November 24, 2007 at 3:49 PM
I’ve been hearing that for weeks, where have you been? It’s not too hard predicting the future when the future has been occuring for some time.
Capitalist Infidel on November 24, 2007 at 3:50 PM
The democrat party will say THEY made Bush change policy. Because of them he HAD to do a troop surge..blah, blah, blah. It’ll all be lies, but the media will spin it that way for them.
SouthernGent on November 24, 2007 at 3:57 PM
It’s good to see the NYT bring to light this changing of rhetoric for the Democrats.
tneloms on November 24, 2007 at 4:04 PM
Sanchez is this war’s McClellen.
Either his heart wasn’t in the job when he was in charge, or he’s trying to protect his reputation now in light of Petraeus’ success using different tactics.
georgej on November 24, 2007 at 4:09 PM
Yes, like the Dems under Jimmah ignored the fall of South Vietnam, the rise of the Khmer Rouge, etc.
If suddenly the genocide in Darfur were to become politically relevant to US foreign policy (thus warranting a military response stronger than a UN “humanitarian presence”, where the troops actually, you know, engage the enemy and fight), how much you want to bet that the leftist Hollyweenies like Clooney and Jolie will shut their traps immediately and act like it never existed?
Wanderlust on November 24, 2007 at 4:10 PM
You’ve been hearing that these gains are “meaningful”? I’ve been hearing that they’re evanescent.
Nice of you to show up and deliver your regular snottiness, though, CI.
Allahpundit on November 24, 2007 at 4:11 PM
Let’s see if I got this right:
1) Lt. Gen. Sanchez failed in Iraq.
2) The press and Dems scoffed at the surge.
3) The Dems treated Gen. Petraeus like dirt.
4) Gen. Petraeus’ surge has been very successful.
5) The Dems dredge up Sanchez to slam the war effort.
6) Make that a double bourbon and seven.
PatrickS on November 24, 2007 at 4:17 PM
I’d like to see some links to that kind of talk being made some time back, CI. It would flesh out the point quite nicely.
major john on November 24, 2007 at 4:18 PM
I haven’t heard any lefties claiming meaningful gains. Some of them have acknowledged gains — including Hillary, per the link in this post — but the prevailing anti-war CW is that (a) U.S. troops/Bush’s strategy had little to do with it and (b) to the extent that there have been gains, they’re fragile and unlikely to last in the absence of political reconciliation. What I’m talking about down the road in this post is the left acknowledging that yes, Iraq has improved, and yes, those improvements are likely to be abiding. They won’t acknowledge that a moment before they absolutely have to.
Allahpundit on November 24, 2007 at 4:27 PM
IMHO, the Dems are still betting of a quagmire in Iraq at least until the election in 2008.
bnelson44 on November 24, 2007 at 4:32 PM
The media and congress and the rest of the pussy world is responsible for more than half of the deaths in Iraq.
tomas on November 24, 2007 at 4:33 PM
When the war ceases to be a political weapon to use against Bush, they’ll just stop using it. Why will they have to confront the changes at all? Who will make them, the MSM, or the questioners at debates? No one I think. Are there swing voters who will choose Republican in ’08 because the Dem’s were wrong about the war? Would be nice, but don’t see it.
JiangxiDad on November 24, 2007 at 4:41 PM
I have great difficulty understanding any of the countries in the Middle East. But even in my ignorance, I would guess that what we would consider political progress and what Iraq considers political progress will be ‘some different’. And what the average liberal considers political progress is different yet again. I think the Dems will have grist for their complaint mill for a long time to come.
jeanie on November 24, 2007 at 4:46 PM
As fas as I’m concerned the republicans are wasting golden opportunities here. We need sound bites, and many of them. All republican candidates need to be slamming the nutroots on a daily basis for their defeatist attitudes and lack of support for anything taking place. All the republican fund raisers and rallies are nothing more than preaching to the choir. Everyone turning out is a republican and will vote that way no matter who the candidate is. They’re not saying a thing to the swing voters. Sound bites have to be continuous so the idiots on the fence won’t soon forget who was defending their ass, and who was willing to sacrifice them for their own selfish good.
Shine the spotlight on the cowards!
stacman on November 24, 2007 at 5:08 PM
Off topic/ a friend sent me this quote on Hillary’s qualifications to be President:
Neocon Peg on November 24, 2007 at 5:20 PM
For an excellent read on the Democrat history through their sordid mess I highly recommend this article for all to read. It is one of the best summaries around about the games they have played.
CommentGuy on November 24, 2007 at 5:36 PM
CommentGuy on November 24, 2007 at 5:36 PM
Outstanding link. I have bookmarked it so I can, over and over, show what the defeatocrats are all about. And I am gonna do it with their OWN words. I hope these words come back to bite them in the a$$. But, then again, X marks the spot, because those traitors are ALL a$$.
FishFearMe on November 24, 2007 at 6:42 PM
If the d’rats were a college football team, they’d win the BCS championship every year soley on how well they can move the goal posts to keep the other team from scoring.
Mallard T. Drake on November 24, 2007 at 9:39 PM
Um, we were
foragainst it before we wereagainstfor it…Valiant on November 24, 2007 at 3:49 PM
Um, we, I, our party, I, we, Nancy, were for, against, for, against, it, the war, redeployment, the surge, more funding, bringing the troops home, finishing the job, before we were against, for, against, for it.
Got that!
Geeze you need a playbook to figure out what they want.
91Veteran on November 24, 2007 at 11:14 PM
I think he’s trying to cover his a$$. He seemed OK as long as there was little progress and he was in charge maintaining the status quo.
Bureaucrat.
Along comes Petreaus who knows how to fight insurgent warfare with progress made very fast compared to Sanchez, and suddenly Sanchez is feeling inadequate.
From the transcript:
So what were you doing General? sitting around knitting? What suggestions did you offer?
Way to slam those still serving there buddy.
The rest of his speech is just so many defeatocrat talking points, or positions the party he is speaking on behalf of doesn’t believe in anyway.
Did you believe these things while serving General or did you have an epiphany?
If you believed them while serving, why didn’t you speak up then?
91Veteran on November 24, 2007 at 11:32 PM
From Hillary’s Feb 7, 2007 Senate speech about Iraq and the surge:
From the NYT article:
The matter-of-factness of her second statement collides with her first like a matter-antimatter reaction. There are a million of these. So many that people just get used to it all and think of them as normal …
progressoverpeace on November 24, 2007 at 11:51 PM
Smart republicans will use the fact that the war in Iraq is being won despite Democrat interference. While many Americans are opposed to the war, I am willing to bet all of the semi-sane ones are are even more opposed to defeat.
If the Republican nominee doesn’t push this in the face of the Democrat nominee, he deserves to lose. Every Democrat candidate is an easy target.
Likewise the Republican should refrain from using this same offense against Ron Paul, defeating Ron Paul will be easier than shooting fish in a barrel with a machine gun.
Immigration, War on Terror, the economy, and sleazy politics make the Democrats the easiest targets since Walter Mondale.
Rode Werk on November 25, 2007 at 2:07 AM
Outstanding link. I have bookmarked it so I can, over and over, show what the defeatocrats are all about. And I am gonna do it with their OWN words. I hope these words come back to bite them in the a$$. But, then again, X marks the spot, because those traitors are ALL a$$.
FishFearMe on November 24, 2007 at 6:42 PM
Glad you liked the article I linked to.
I think of it as a right side version of KO’s Worst that would require a group picture to do it justice.
I don’t link often but when I do it is usually on topic and on point.
When I put recommends behind it , you will learn it is high octane stuff that really should be read.
CommentGuy on November 25, 2007 at 8:15 AM
We need to keep running commercials about how full of it and anti-troop/mission they were.
Tim Burton on November 25, 2007 at 12:21 PM
Oh-no-they-do-NOT! There is no way that they will be allowed to correct their opinions on the War.
They own Surrender/a>! They paid for it, they were a consensus on it, and now they owe an apology before anyone should let them off of the hook. They can begin by funding our Heros with no strings attached then apologize to General Praeteus. Finally, how about apologizing to our commander-in-chief?
DannoJyd on November 25, 2007 at 6:52 PM
This ‘willing suspension of disbelief’ meme needs to become a campaign slogan to be hammered every single chance we get.
James on November 26, 2007 at 10:06 AM