Say, how did “Fred’s Giving Day” go?
posted at 11:19 am on November 23, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Wednesday’s come and gone. How’d they do? With one exception, there’s nothing about it on Google News. Nothing on Fred’s campaign site, either, or on Blogs for Fred Thompson, which promoted the event on Wednesday morning. In light of the holiday and the fact that it wasn’t an official campaign initiative, it may be that they haven’t run the numbers yet or that they’re not planning to do any official count. But someone at Lew Rockwell (the exception on Google News) claims to have been watching the running tally of pledges and reports that they … didn’t do quite as well as Ron Paul did with his own unofficial grassroots fundraiser a few weeks ago. Take it with a grain of salt, obviously, but do also note that one of the commenters in this Politico post also claims to have been watching the tally and his number roughly corresponds to Rockwell’s. If there’s any news about this today, I’ll update.
Meanwhile, Politico reports this morning that “[e]ven his own aides and advisers acknowledge privately that there are days when he seems disinterested in running for president at all.” The ‘Net-centric campaign model was supposed to solve that problem but it never had a chance:
Thompson is frustrated for another reason: He didn’t think he’d have to endure so much of the “inside-the-Beltway political B.S.” In being convinced to run, Thompson was swayed to think that he could “YouTube” his way to the nomination. He apparently thought he could bypass many of the traditional campaign rituals such as tromping from one Iowa diner to another or appearing on the Washington wise-guy shows.
He even bragged that he wasn’t going to follow the rules and that he would run the race his way.
In some ways, he’s kept his word. He’d prefer to talk about serious, if not politically sexy, ideas like entitlements, and he’s doing that. He doesn’t want to keep up the frenetic campaign pace of some of his rivals, and he’s not.
But, in many other ways, Thompson is giving in and running a conventional campaign. The man who was going to exploit the power of “new media” has spent hours this week doing the traditional grip and grin in places like Orange City and Le Mars, Iowa. And the candidate who would bypass the filter of the “old media” will have, after this weekend, done three Sunday show appearances in the month of November (even going so far as to cite that ultimate horse race indicator, polling data, on ABC’s “This Week”).
His camp says they’re planning to start pushing the distinction between Fred and “phony conservatives.” Between Rudy, Mitt, and Huck, there’s no shortage of targets.
Update: The Rockwell post specifically mentions the tally as of the morning and the Politico post references the night before, so it’s safe to say the number of pledges ended up a lot higher than ~80. The question is, how much higher. Paul got 21,000 donations on his money bomb day. Did Fred break four digits?
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I think I like Fred, but I can’t really tell ’cause he runs such a crappy campaign.
flipflop on November 23, 2007 at 11:24 AM
Can you say “no amnesty” boys and girls? I think that Fred emphasizing being a true, non-waffling, conservative will do him well.
Mojave Mark on November 23, 2007 at 11:26 AM
About 50 days to the first primaries. They will be telling us ‘what’s up’, for sure.
countywolf on November 23, 2007 at 11:29 AM
I was an early supporter of Fred – but I’m losing confidence. I don’t mind him running a different kind of campaign – but if it’s different, it had better be good.
It hasn’t been.
Still, he does have the message and I like that.
Dr. Gecko on November 23, 2007 at 11:47 AM
How amatuerish can you get by scheduling a major fundraiser on Thanksgiving?
Good thing the campaign didn’t endorse it. And it’s too bad they didn’t try and shut it down because no one cares whether the campaign had anything to do with it or not as witnessed by the Rockwell response.
rick moran on November 23, 2007 at 11:54 AM
I’ve come to the conclusion that I’m voting for Fred in the primary. Seems the anti Fred gang is all supporting recent conversions to conservatism so Fred must be doing something right. I still haven’t made up my mind if I’m going to be voting if we nominate a CINO again but I know I won’t be a Republican any longer.
Buzzy on November 23, 2007 at 11:55 AM
With Fred it all comes down to his only appeal… do you want to vote-in [Fred] a good ‘ol boy or [all the rest] a typical politician? All you have to do is look around Washington or your own state’s capital to answer this question for yourself. For the sake of expediency I’ll give you the answer according to all available statistics… voters go for the slimmy politicians 50 to 1.
Griz on November 23, 2007 at 11:59 AM
If the presidency came with a big pair of boobies, fred? would be more interested. I’m starting to feel sorry for him now. It’s gettin’ pathetic. fred who?
lorien1973 on November 23, 2007 at 12:00 PM
The always helpful Allahpundit. The libs/Ron Paul challenge to disclose began even before the day was half over. After they mounted a massive google bomb attack against Fred’s websites an hour before Fredsgivingday.
We had all we could do to get the websites visible again – only to have a second attack occur after the fact, and while everyone was trying to enjoy Thanksgiving dinner with their families.
Remember this?
The Paultards and the libs – another unholy alliance created to elect Hillary.
Connie on November 23, 2007 at 12:05 PM
Maybe Fred is a victim of MSM and other candidates’ dirty tricks. Maybe in reality he’s the absolute best conservative and best candidate for Pres. But if he doesn’t find a way to overcome these “tricks”, he will be toast. I’m sure the best candidate has lost before. There is just no use in blaming anything or anyone outside of him and his campaign.
JiangxiDad on November 23, 2007 at 12:13 PM
Ditto…..but looking around at the Big3…I am loosing confidence any of them will be able to get the RNC off it’s butt and actually try to win this thing. The entire party apparatus seems to be asleep at the wheel.
Limerick on November 23, 2007 at 12:18 PM
It was on Wednesday, not Thursday.
Allahpundit on November 23, 2007 at 12:21 PM
The most important thing about Fred is that he is right on the issues. So I will continue to support him. No one else comes close.
Rose on November 23, 2007 at 12:21 PM
Ron Paul, or should I say his supporters because it is again unofficial as far as I can tell, is having another one scheduled for the anniversary of the Boston Tea Party — December 16th.
The goal, per their website, is a 100,000 at $100 and you sign up to commit to that amount on that day. Last I looked (last week) they said they had some 17,000 signed up.
Dusty on November 23, 2007 at 12:25 PM
You do have a valid point in that there were bumps in the campaign and that we do have to fight back. The more personal appearances, the better. But writing pieces like AP did are entirely unhelpful. They perpetuate the myth that Fred isn’t doing anything, when in fact, he is doing a lot.
You may have missed this last night. Scroll down to “Lovely, etc.
Connie on November 22, 2007 at 9:15 PM”
The following came down last night. Would you ever know about it?
Fred Thompson??? Read and Post Your Answer (and Read What Others are Saying….)
Connie on November 23, 2007 at 12:26 PM
You are right on the issues too Rose. But you may not be able to pull-off being President. The primary and election process serve to reveal Fred’s (and others) abilities to carry out what they believe.
JiangxiDad on November 23, 2007 at 12:26 PM
I was just wonderin’ where today’s anti-Fred column was- when what do ya know- here it is.
I am so tired of all you Anti-Fred bigots. You NEVER talk about issues or positions! Just Fred’s FREDNESS! That is sooo un-American!
Nothing about FDT’s positions on issues – No just Fred’s old, Fred’s lazy, Fred’s wife is (take your pick: hot, ugly, too young, bossy, pushy).
Stop the Anti- Fred Bigotry!! Just ask Mitt- this kind of attack is Un-American!
Ex-tex on November 23, 2007 at 12:27 PM
In the case of President, people want both message and messenger. Sometimes we get it, sometimes we don’t. Hint: It’s not the message.
JiangxiDad on November 23, 2007 at 12:31 PM
Criticizing a candidate is “bigotry” now. Perfect.
Oddly, I was accused of being anti-Rudy on Friday. And earlier last week I was accused of hating Mormons because I criticized Mitt. It’s so hard keeping track of which candidate I’m “out to get.”
Allahpundit on November 23, 2007 at 12:31 PM
I haven’t seen anything in Fred that makes him unfit for president. I don’t think being hyper or anxious are positive qualities. He’s just fine.
Rose on November 23, 2007 at 12:31 PM
Maybe you just suffer from severe negativism. Try writing something positive every once in awhile. It’s good for the spirit.
Connie on November 23, 2007 at 12:41 PM
Thanks, mom. Will do.
Allahpundit on November 23, 2007 at 12:42 PM
Allah- sorry. it was a JOKE. I was tryin’ to make the point that ALL the candidates get SH*T about everything! It ain’t ONLY MITT.
I will not attempt sarcasm anymore.
I will not attempt sarcasm anymore.
I will not… Hey Allah- any confirmation that there
really were 600 anti-mormon calls made?
Ex-tex on November 23, 2007 at 12:44 PM
Rose, people who are, or were, interested in him often know as much or more about the issue than he seems to. “Fire in the belly” isn’t a criticism of southern ways or folksy mannerisms– it means what’s your internal philosophy that led you to your opinions, how does your compass work? It’s not enough to be President to simply be on the “right” side of conservative issues. A lot of people are. That’s OK for Rudy or Mitt. People don’t really trust that deep down those two are philosophical Conservatives, so they just hope that they can be pushed into the right positions in return for the job. Fred on the other hand claims to be the real deal. I don’t think he has sufficiently demonstrated how that came to be, how it informs all of his thinking, or how it reflects on the other major issues of the day. He must deliver more, or he will be doubted.
JiangxiDad on November 23, 2007 at 12:47 PM
Rose- I guess I could have summed all that up by saying that I think Fred is running as Reagan, but isn’t measuring up. Big shoes to fill, I know.
JiangxiDad on November 23, 2007 at 12:49 PM
hehehe…Roger that. It seems we can’t dislike anything anymore without being somekind of “ist” or suffering some “ism”.
Pilgrim on November 23, 2007 at 12:53 PM
I don’t see him making that comparison. But I voted for Reagan twice and saw his debates on T.V. He was not “bigger than life” then as he is now. He was a candidate trying to win the presidency and my boss did nothing but ridicule him. I see that happening to Fred now as it did to Pres. Reagan. People are judging him by physical characteristics and age instead of the issues.
Rose on November 23, 2007 at 12:54 PM
He may not be making the comparison, but voters are. That is something he will have to deal with.
I also voted for Reagan twice. He struck me as 10X the candidate as Fred, however I was much younger and much more impressionable. Good luck to Fred, though. I will vote for him if he becomes the candidate.
JiangxiDad on November 23, 2007 at 1:03 PM
Elections aren’t about issues anymore… now we choose our presidents based on a year-long version of an O’Reilly Factor body language segment. Once we elect the nanny-stater with the best hair and we realize that’s what we’re stuck with for at least the next 4 years, then maybe it will be about issues again for a while… until the next election rolls around, then we get right back to focusing on all the stupid superficial crap that got us into this mess in the first place.
Watcher on November 23, 2007 at 1:04 PM
That’s my boy!
Connie on November 23, 2007 at 1:06 PM
Still voting for Fred!
I see nothing wrong with his manerisms or ambition. He is spot on with his conservative compass.
Go ahead and vote for Rudy or Mitt or Huck, and watch as they join up with Murdock, the WSJ, and Kennedy to pass the amnesty bill of 2009. Will you complain that you were tricked when that happens?
AZCON on November 23, 2007 at 1:27 PM
I judge candidates by their positions not by how many greasy breakfasts they can choke down in Iowa or NH. I can’t understand why (or how) we have evolved such a stupid system of choosing a president. Fred has already taken more firm positions on the “hot button” issues than any of the other major candidates of either party and generally they are well thought out. I don’t want the candidate who does the best 15 second sound bite. I want the one who will do the best job as president and that seems to be Fred.
duff65 on November 23, 2007 at 1:30 PM
Yep, that sums it up nicely!
omnipotent on November 23, 2007 at 1:46 PM
I’m not impressed by stories of people saying he doesn’t seem to want it. I’m happy that he’s ambivalent. That makes him seem more credible, in my opinion. I’m far more suspicious about the typical Alpha Dog sleazeballs like Clinton and Kerry who wanted it so damn much.
Kensington on November 23, 2007 at 2:02 PM
Coming Up on ‘FOX News Sunday’: Fred Thompson
On Chris Wallace Sunday
Connie on November 23, 2007 at 3:09 PM
I got it on the first post and thought the sarcasm was well done. Even better when others don’t see it. Please don’t stop the sarcasm.
sweeper on November 23, 2007 at 3:11 PM
Also see
Fred Thompson on the issues
and
Fred’s Border Security and Immigration Reform Plan
Connie on November 23, 2007 at 3:12 PM
Thompson, Romney Praise Stem Cell Research, Others Mum”
Connie on November 23, 2007 at 3:27 PM
pathetic but atleast better than Obama, their attempt at copying us only got 5000… I know you guys hate us but come on, we know how to do a grassroots fund raiser. Oh and were not all liberals or douchebag truthers.
libertytexan on November 23, 2007 at 4:26 PM
Why is it that RP supporters seem to use all lowercase and misspell words?
Connie on November 23, 2007 at 4:34 PM
Great piece in Politico today about Fred that Allah linked to above.
I think he actually still has a chance if he can finish 3rd in Iowa and win in South Carolina. There are 6 southern states (7 if you include FL on 1/29) holding their primaries on 2/5. He is leading in 3 of them and a close second in the other 3.
If he can survive Super Tuesday, anything can happen.
rick moran on November 23, 2007 at 6:55 PM
Thanks sweeper.
Ex-tex on November 23, 2007 at 7:12 PM
I think you are mistaking the horse race aspect of the campaign with having core principles which guide a candidate. Mitt and Rudy have the horse race quality in spades. A lot of us conservatives thought Fred would be running a lot more vigorous campaign than he has. We are disappointed but not willing to give up on him.
One way to tell if someone is the real deal is to look at the positions they have held in their public life.
Bill C on November 24, 2007 at 1:41 AM
To me the Democrats always wanted a dream team
To bad the the Republicans aided by the Left Wing MSM is providing one in Rudy, Romney, and the Reverend
EricPWJohnson on November 24, 2007 at 6:28 AM
And don’t forget Fraud! Thompson, a man so corrupt and thouroughly useless and inexperience that Hillary might consider him a peer.
Hillary has done more for the conservative movement than Fred has, even.
BKennedy on November 24, 2007 at 8:52 AM
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