Please God, save us from ourselves… literally:…

thuja on November 23, 2007 at 3:39 PM

Hmm, someone needs to investigate this nursing home, as it is apparently the equivalent of torture and rape rooms.

If you’re prime concern is how your aunt feels, and you deem it imprudent to kill her yourself, are you able to go visit her, bring some kids, sing some songs, read aloud to her, send a card or a care package if you’re too far to visit, do something to help her know she is loved and valued and put some sunshine into her last days on earth? I’d do it myself and I don’t even know the woman. This is your blood. Give something back.

speed911 on November 23, 2007 at 9:13 PM

Ha, great.

thuja on November 23, 2007 at 10:15 AM

You may be too young to remember this, but when I was in high school, the world was entering an ice age, by the year 2000 the world population would be so large, that their would be mass starvation. And that included the U.S., we would run out of fossil fuel (primarily because the heating would be so severe because of the coming ice age), on and on.
Every couple of decades, a new “disaster” looms (or I forgot, over 1/2 of all animals would be extinct by 2000).
Face it, realize it, man is part of nature, we are the only ones that chronicle nature; we, in essence, are nature. And for more of us, means the more of nature.

The latest in environmentalism– don’t have kids.
It’s a “logical” jump. If humanity is destroying the planet, then it’s only reasonable to end humanity, and that means stop having kids.
Get your tubes tied. Get your…

Wow! Did your kids forget to call and wish you a Happy Thanksgiving??

There are much better reasons for having yourself fixed so that you won’t have kids. Like, for example, being a parent sucks and there is not a single thing that is good about it?

For starters.

I don’t call fetuses kids either. I call them life, which they certainly are.

I know how your mother feels. The one person I loved most in the world, my grandma was in a nursing home.

I understand from a humanistic perspective how that can be depressing, but what God asks us of us is to see Him in the worst of circumstances. What I saw in my grandma is the opportunity to serve her in love as she had done so many times to me. I was able to love her in the ways she had loved me. Unconditionally. Her being in the nursing home was a gift to me. A gift to finally give back to her all that she gave to me. Perhaps if your mom saw it that way she wouldn’t be so depressed.

Merry Christmas!

I don’t call fetuses kids and I don’t like the values of the “pro-life” movement. My aunt is in a nursing home. Her life is horrible–just pain and anxiety. My mother goes and visits her and comes back feeling depressed. She calls me on the telephone and I have to deal with her depression. My feelings towards “pro-life” value are hatred because they do nothing but make me and the people around me miserable. I’m certainly not the only one.

thuja on November 23, 2007 at 3:23 PM

Selfish much? Geez…get over yourself and deal with LIFE (don’t pardon the pun)!

I hope you didn’t miss all the good wishes that went your way in Bryan’s giving thanks thread.

The thing about environmentism is that I lean toward all things that are environmental. Clean air, clean water, and conservation. But I can’t get on board with much else, mainly because the people advocating these things have been wrong on just about every other issue, why should I trust them on this one?

Okay, if that is the case, then there must be some kind of number out there for the “ideal carbon footprint” right? Does anyone even know what this is? This is all supposed to be scientific, so there should be some numbers out there which calculate everyone’s carbon footprint in the entire world, how they affect the climate, and by how much we need to reduce them in order to be “ideal”.

Um, they have that number (or more appropriately, a range of estimates), but its a bad number so its a bit hard to find. The number is an 80-95% reduction in all manmade CO2 from all sources.

80% by 2050
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~sustain/dartmouth/carbon.html

87% by 2030
http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2006/09/21/an-87-cut-by-2030/

90% by 2050
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_kmens/is_200706/ai_n19332997

“The U.S. goal, given its world-leading position in CO2 emissions, would then have to be 96 percent.”
http://www.japanfocus.org/products/details/2496

Oh, and these numbers aren’t fully offset, just trying to reduce the pain to an 85% chance of less than a 2 degree Celsius rise (per the IPCC if I read their analysis correctly). To truly remove mankind’s influence from the carbon cycle is more like a 96-99% reduction.

And this Michael is why they don’t give the numbers. A 96% reduction by 2030 for the U.S. would involve something like a removal of all the cities and a return to subsistence farming and agrarian communities.

Somehow they think you’d be willing to give up 5-10%, so thats the request. It’ll help as much as peeing on a forest fire, but few are willing to admit that.

I firmly support the argument that abortion is a positively wonderful technology because otherwise we produce more people than is good for the environment.

Your slovenly use of the word “environment” casts too wide a net. It’s impossible to know what you’re saying. By “environment” do you mean the human environment including the natural world Man exploits to better serve his needs and wants, or do you mean nature “red in tooth and claw”? If you mean the former, then what is good for the environment is mankind continuing to forge a world more suited to itself. As always when left free to do so we make our own resources thereby increasing our own carrying capacity, unlike every other creature, and life is good comparatively speaking. So in this context abortion is just pointless. If by “environment” you mean “nature red in tooth and claw”, then from whose vantage point can you say what is good for it given that the only constancy in untamed nature is to be be both hunter and prey and to die of wounds, disease or hunger?

“…we do everything we can to reduce our carbon footprint….”

Not quite; You are still breathing.

I don’t call fetuses kids and I don’t like the values of the “pro-life” movement. My aunt is in a nursing home. Her life is horrible–just pain and anxiety. My mother goes and visits her and comes back feeling depressed. She calls me on the telephone and I have to deal with her depression. My feelings towards “pro-life” value are hatred because they do nothing but make me and the people around me miserable. I’m certainly not the only one.

thuja on November 23, 2007 at 3:23 PM

By all means, let’s off your aunt so your mother isn’t depressed.