Save the planet: Have an abortion
posted at 10:00 am on November 23, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Via Weasel Zippers, a new entry in the pantheon of great abortion rationales. The greatest gift you can give Gaia is the gift of extinction:
At the age of 27 this young woman at the height of her reproductive years was sterilised to “protect the planet”…
“Having children is selfish. It’s all about maintaining your genetic line at the expense of the planet,” says Toni, 35.
“Every person who is born uses more food, more water, more land, more fossil fuels, more trees and produces more rubbish, more pollution, more greenhouse gases, and adds to the problem of over-population.”
She met her husband, who’s also a vegan, at an animal rights demonstration, which I guess also makes this an entry in the pantheon of cartoonish cultural stereotypes. Not an isolated example, either:
Most young girls dream of marriage and babies. But Sarah dreamed of helping the environment - and as she agonised over the perils of climate change, the loss of animal species and destruction of wilderness, she came to the extraordinary decision never to have a child.
“I realised then that a baby would pollute the planet - and that never having a child was the most environmentally friendly thing I could do.”…
Mark adds: “Sarah and I live as green a life a possible. We don’t have a car, cycle everywhere instead, and we never fly.
“We recycle, use low-energy light bulbs and eat only organic, locally produced food.
“In short, we do everything we can to reduce our carbon footprint. But all this would be undone if we had a child.”
All we need now is some evidence that environmental fanaticism is genetically influenced and we can break out the party favors. Exit question: Isn’t there an even higher level of social consciousness than saving the planet? My friends, there is.
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This view was held by then VP Al the Gore’s chief of staff.
Zorro on November 23, 2007 at 10:04 AM
If those knuckleheads were truly that concerned about their carbon footprint, they’d off themselves and take themselves out of the equation.
Mindcrime on November 23, 2007 at 10:10 AM
I do think that we have enough people right now…
Problem is that its a genetic fact that stupid people are breeing faster than smart people…
the meek won’t inherit the earth… the stupid will…
but the again… it sounds like this couple are helping Darwin out a bit by not propogating a genetic line which is not fit to survive….
Wow… guess in my Libertarian view? Its their choice…
Romeo13 on November 23, 2007 at 10:10 AM
Did you see the movie Idiocracy?
Also, thank goodness these people aren’t reproducing.
thebrokenchair on November 23, 2007 at 10:14 AM
I firmly support the argument that abortion is a positively wonderful technology because otherwise we produce more people than is good for the environment. I know that many people here have made a fetish out of hating environmentalism, but that position is no more sane than suggesting that we should just take the troops out of Iraq with no regard to the consequences.
Environmental issues have had real world consequences. Part of the fall of Rome was due to failing grain harvest due to bad environmental practices–not to mention lack of an EPA to forbid lead plumbing. (EPA remark is meant for humor value.) I just read a good book called Dirt: The Erosion of Civilizations by David R. Montgomery that talks about our soil issue–which like the issue of biodiversity is much more important global warming.
thuja on November 23, 2007 at 10:15 AM
Mindcrime: “If those knuckleheads were truly that concerned about their carbon footprint, they’d off themselves and take themselves out of the equation”
That’s what they are doing in a way, lessening the future generation of “progressive” libtards.
Weasel Zipper on November 23, 2007 at 10:17 AM
If you think you shouldn’t have kids:
you shouldn’t have kids.
If you think of kids as a “carbon footprint”:
you should self-sterilize.
Things in the Thrid World are:
blame the evil First World for everything and have tons of kids.
So, these vegan-icides have bought into the old “noble savage” myth perfectly.
And will vanish with their naivete.
profitsbeard on November 23, 2007 at 10:19 AM
Pointing out bad science is a fetish? And don’t confuse environmentalism with conservationism. I’m all for conservation. I’m totally against bad science.
Hey off topic, Michelle is on the phone with FNC right now!
Zorro on November 23, 2007 at 10:24 AM
20 years ago, there were 4 billion people on this planet. now, there are 6 billion.
i say we take a page from A Modest Proposal, apply modern terms to it, and thin out the poor nations, like Africa and India, and Mexico.
let’s see how long before the claims of “inequality” and “racism” begin to surface.
abortions are wrong, but as a Catholic, i would be shouted down as not caring for the erf (that’s right, erf), but say what i stated above, and watch all hell break loose.
madmonkphotog on November 23, 2007 at 10:24 AM
apparently you have not changed enough diapers yet…. LOL…
Romeo13 on November 23, 2007 at 10:25 AM
These types can perform the ultimate carbon footprint reducing exercise: just kill themselves.
AlexB on November 23, 2007 at 10:26 AM
Wait until they realize their parents never should have had them. ::pop::
PatrickS on November 23, 2007 at 10:27 AM
That’s exactly what I think whenever I read this “rationale” about not having babies to save the planet. Just think how much carbon emmissions they could save if every environut killed themselves. All their carbon footprints would be zero. Can’t do better than that.
Michael in MI on November 23, 2007 at 10:29 AM
By the way, we always hear this nonsense about “reducing your carbon footprint” and that if we don’t, we have X years to survive before it is too late.
Okay, if that is the case, then there must be some kind of number out there for the “ideal carbon footprint” right? Does anyone even know what this is? This is all supposed to be scientific, so there should be some numbers out there which calculate everyone’s carbon footprint in the entire world, how they affect the climate, and by how much we need to reduce them in order to be “ideal”. But we never get these numbers. We simply get told to drive Priuses and use different lightbulbs.
Yes, I know this is all a fraud and we’re never going to get those numbers, because they don’t exist. But why are these questions never posed to Al Goracle and his little minions? Why doesn’t anyone ever ask how they can measure their carbon footprint so they can see if they need to reduce it or if they are okay?
Yes, yes, I know. The people following this nut are doing so based on emotion rather than logic.
Michael in MI on November 23, 2007 at 10:36 AM
Whoops, too late. My second child is on the way.
Sorry, Gaia.
Slublog on November 23, 2007 at 10:36 AM
Romeo 13-
That never smelled like carbon, to me.
(Methane, maybe.)
profitsbeard on November 23, 2007 at 10:37 AM
I fail to see why self sterilizing hippies can somehow be construed as a bad thing. Less of them means more land and crap for my children.
Krydor on November 23, 2007 at 10:38 AM
Total caricatures.
Scary thing is they are not alone.
An Inconvenient Solution?
rockbend on November 23, 2007 at 10:39 AM
Yeah, thanks for not breeding more liberals. At the rate they are going, conservatives should be in a vast majority any time now…
dogsoldier on November 23, 2007 at 10:40 AM
The choice to not have children is a personal one, and can be made for whatever reason. That said, nations like China add 7 million people to the planet every year. I’d be curious to know how many of them are being taught good environmental practices. If the free nations of the world, who do care about the environment and have the resources to do something about it, cease to be, then the world is likely to end up worse off because of it.
Defense Guy on November 23, 2007 at 10:41 AM
I was just wondering how they rationaled their being born and consuming scarce resources as well…..
EricPWJohnson on November 23, 2007 at 10:42 AM
Yeah, because that strategy worked out so well for the Shakers!
On a more serious note, we’ve already seen at least one highly crazy environmentalist advocate mass sterilization by means of engineered viruses. At the rate they’re going, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the day when at least a few hard-core envirowackies go the way of Eric Rudolph, in order to halt the production of greenhouse gases by their victims.
Well-Armed Lamb on November 23, 2007 at 10:46 AM
What an idiot. This is one reason why Britain is changing drastically. The English choose not to procreate while at the same time not controlling immigration. The end result is a massive demographic change in the next couple of generations.
You cannot call Britain great anymore. Perhaps Islamabrit is more fitting.
BobJones-77 on November 23, 2007 at 10:47 AM
Defense Guy on November 23, 2007 at 10:41 AM
China also has a mandatory 1-child limit too right? After that couples must have abortions?
I would be interested to know if Toni and her husband believe the government should enforce the same thing here in America (and other Western nations) to limit the population of the planet in order to save it.
Forced sterilizations after a couple has one child? Or maybe government funded abortions on people’s health plans so people who have promiscuous sex can be free to continue to do so without bringing more carbon emitting children into the world?
Michael in MI on November 23, 2007 at 10:48 AM
Good. It also guarantees that there won’t be more of them…
Now, they don’t have to use a piece of LATEX stolen by force from rubber trees.
Good.
Now they they don’t have to use vegan condoms that are made with cocoa powder, which would leave them in the dark.
Mcguyver on November 23, 2007 at 10:48 AM
N. O'Brain on November 23, 2007 at 10:50 AM
Hello? And methane is a compound of what elements?
pavruch on November 23, 2007 at 10:50 AM
And speaking of kids…..
[Worst OT intoduction EVER!]
The 22nd Marine Expeditionary Unit(SOC) has deployed to Bengladesh to assist in relief operations.
http://usmc.mil/22ndmeu/HA_Ops/Releases_relief_ops.htm
The 22nd is the theater reserve for Central Command, and is on a six month deployment.
My son, Matt the Marine is on board the Kearsarge.
N. O'Brain on November 23, 2007 at 10:52 AM
Aw, hell, let’s break ‘em out now just on the hunch that a significant number of envirokook knuckleheads are going to spare us their brainwashed red-diaper anarchist spawn.
The only downside is that there is nothing quite as sweet as watching their kids turn out smarter than the libtards at a precocious age.
Jaibones on November 23, 2007 at 10:57 AM
HotAir comment nirvana.
Jaibones on November 23, 2007 at 10:58 AM
Just the opposite of my dearly departed mum’s adivce to me as a youngster: If the world’s going to be over populated, better with my kids than someone else’s kids.
I birthed three, adopted one, and am now waiting for the slackers to get crackin’ and provide me with a passel o’ superior grandbabies to ogle fatuously, spoil outrageously and shamlessly brag about. And they can use all the carbon they want as far as I am concerned.
Bob's Kid on November 23, 2007 at 10:59 AM
I think you’re misunderstanding the situation here. There is evironmentalism and “environmnetalism”, the former constituting say draining the swamps in Iraq for the Marsh Arbas to return home, the latter constituting paganism, apocalyptic doom mongering and preach the self-extinction of the human race.
Nobody seriously wants to damage the environment but we here don’t want to embrace mental illness, central planning or a civillisational guilt complex.
aengus on November 23, 2007 at 11:00 AM
A righteous OT as far as I am concerned.
Bob's Kid on November 23, 2007 at 11:02 AM
I will fully encourage women like this to follow their conscience and sterilize themselves. And then I’ll go add about 4-6 kids (G-d willing) to the population and probably adopt a few more.
Btw, congratulations Slublog!
tikvah on November 23, 2007 at 11:08 AM
Given what these knuckleheads believe in, I think that the woman getting sterilized is a great idea. One less liberal breeder.
…fast forward: She’ll wake up one day and realize what a fool she’s been, vote Republican, and adopt a baby from China.
Mojave Mark on November 23, 2007 at 11:08 AM
…Don’t quite understand, Allah..How did this story about sterilization merit your headline and comment about abortion??
Ben Here on November 23, 2007 at 11:09 AM
Good for her. I salute her convictions. It’s about time I hear evidence of these loonies doing something positive for humankind. My only hope is that more and more of them will heed the call to self caused extinction.
jmarcure on November 23, 2007 at 11:13 AM
They may not be saving the planet, but they are helping to clean up the gene pool. Darwin and I thank them. (*golf clap*)
Pablo on November 23, 2007 at 11:14 AM
Read the article. The woman who was sterilized was pregnant and aborted her baby.
Allahpundit on November 23, 2007 at 11:20 AM
Homicide by Political correctness.
Who’s responsible?
Speakup on November 23, 2007 at 11:26 AM
I missed that too. Another baby sacrificed to the goddess Gaia. Tragic and wrong.
Mojave Mark on November 23, 2007 at 11:30 AM
This is so obviously a new religion. The next logical step is the ultimate self-sacrifice for their greater good, the environment. I am NOT saying this to goad them on, despite my passionate disagreement with their ideology… quite the opposite… I shudder at the thought of a precious human life killing itself. That said, I am certain that we will see “selfless” martyr-suicides inspired by a passion to save the environment. In fact, it seems to me that envirofascists and Islamofascists may develop much in common. We may even see environmental martyrdom operations that murder civilians, similar to Islamofascist terror. This is an entirely logical extension of the current radical environmentalism. It is simply a matter of time.
dave_lantos on November 23, 2007 at 11:31 AM
Abortion is not only a right, now it’s morally correct.
super.
meandchi on November 23, 2007 at 11:32 AM
Boy, things really ARE slow for this unbelievable crazed woman to make headlines with her actions. But why not? After all this is America AND the ‘anything can and will happen’ holiday season!
countywolf on November 23, 2007 at 11:34 AM
Remind me never to look up at the stars again - I’d hate to be the one that terminated them…
Rick on November 23, 2007 at 11:34 AM
That woman is chock-full of irony:
“While most parents view their children as the ultimate miracle of nature, Toni seems to see them as a sinister threat to the future.”
Without children, there is no future.
“When I tell people why I don’t want children, they look at me as if I was planning to commit murder.”
She’s already been there and done that.
“I discovered that despite taking the Pill, I’d accidentally fallen pregnant by my boyfriend.
Don’t you love it when people act as if pregnancy is some unlucky accident occasionally caused by sex, rather than the main reason it exists? Something didn’t go wrong, it went right.
tikvah on November 23, 2007 at 11:35 AM
Need I remind Tony that by her act she has helped to condemn the planet. By not having children she is leaving the planet to all us stupid people and she should know, in no uncertin terms, that we stupid people will destroy the planet anyway.
She could have had children to grow up and shepard us but, no, her selfish thinking has helped to doom Gaia.
Dusty on November 23, 2007 at 11:39 AM
Well, I don’t know about these weirdo vegan people, but I plan on having lots of conservative children to take the place of me when I am gone. The only thing going extinct is liberalism with this kind of nihilistic thinking.
reppac122 on November 23, 2007 at 11:40 AM
Deuteronomy 30:19:
“I call heaven and earth as witnesses! Before you I have placed life and death, the blessing and the curse. You must choose life, so that you and your descendants will survive.”
dave_lantos on November 23, 2007 at 11:42 AM
Couldn’t you be satisfied with birth control if you’re so worried about over-crowding? WTF is the environment for if not for people? I hate that libcrap idea. You strike me as a lib,except on the anti-gay jihadi thing. And why is your presence OK, and not a threat to the environment?
JiangxiDad on November 23, 2007 at 11:43 AM
Michael in MI on November 23, 2007 at 10:48 AM
I’m pretty sure China has relaxed the one-child policy somewhat. Which is good, because not only has the policy created a generation very heavily weighted with males, it has created a generation of only children who have never had the opportunity to torment their younger siblings or rat out their older ones. Sad.
Defense Guy on November 23, 2007 at 11:45 AM
Oh, and AP, not so cosmologically speaking, I think we need to double down on “looking” at the Left, because they haven’t changed much. Maybe a special redmeat “Looking at You” pic for the front page climate change stories.
Dusty on November 23, 2007 at 11:46 AM
Please remember how supremely dumb and impressionable most people are. The lure of the liberal mantra is strong. This poor creature is a victim of it, but it is the ideology that is poison for humanity–she is proof of that. Fight liberalism until you’re dying breath. It’s perverts the weak.
JiangxiDad on November 23, 2007 at 11:51 AM
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JiangxiDad on November 23, 2007 at 11:51 AM
Eh, she would have to feel that way to justify it. I admit, when I was about 15 yrs younger I considered having my tubes tied, not because I was worried about the environment, I just never thought I’d get married and have kids, and didn’t want to worry about getting pregnant. I even discussed it with a doctor who’s comment was how ironic it was that a responsible person as myself would choose never to have kids whereas irresponsible people were having kids left and right… boy was I young and stupid. I’m now married and have 2 great kids who I plan to raise to be conservatively minded, both politically and environmentally. And I wouldn’t change it for the world!
It is ironic that this woman has chosen to do something so contrary to nature. She’s lucky she’s living in a country where she can make that choice. Some people are not meant to be parents, it’s too bad others who aren’t don’t have the ability or the where-with-all to make the same decision.
4shoes on November 23, 2007 at 11:56 AM
If this means liberals are going to stop reproducing, I’m having a hard time seeing the downside in this.
Maxx on November 23, 2007 at 11:59 AM
Anyone read Tom Clancy’s “Rainbow Six” (the novel, not the game)? About rabid environmentalists who decide (most) humans are bad for the planet, and design a plague to wipe out humanity? That sort of thinking starts with people like her.
Frozen Tex on November 23, 2007 at 11:59 AM
The Monday morning quarterbacking fetish is alive and still just as pointless.
jdkchem on November 23, 2007 at 12:01 PM
I think they have relaxed it somewhat. I read something a while back that brought up the point that China was becoming a country of spoiled only children, think about it, if every family is allowed to only have one, and all those only children get all the attention from parents, grandparents… wow, what a disaster!
4shoes on November 23, 2007 at 12:01 PM
Oops… let me clarify, I am dead set against abortion, it was the sterilization part I was referring to above.
Maxx on November 23, 2007 at 12:03 PM
Wow, it gets worse. Apparently, mankind is destroy the universe as well!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/11/21/scicosmos121.xml&CMP=ILC-mostviewedbox
Interesting article, but c’mon. You got to be kidding me!
reppac122 on November 23, 2007 at 12:03 PM
Mankind ’shortening the universe’s life — By Roger Highfield, Science Editor
What was this guy smoking when he wrote this article?
Maxx on November 23, 2007 at 12:10 PM
The only thing that will save this planet is the “Extinction of the Save The Planet” groupies.
bucko36 on November 23, 2007 at 12:12 PM
Really? thuja, I thought you were a Christianist. Where in the written word of God did you find support for killing unborn children in favor of chipmunks?
There. Now I agree, and applaud.
Jaibones on November 23, 2007 at 12:20 PM
One of the groups least likely to have children…atheists.
I’d guess this woman is in that camp.
John on November 23, 2007 at 12:21 PM
I thought liberals worshipped NATURAL SELECTION? Aborting is cheating evolution, is it not? I prefer if dimwads like these just kill THEMSELVES, evolution or not!
SouthernGent on November 23, 2007 at 12:26 PM
Taking this logic (?) to it’s ultimate conclusion, wouldn’t it just be simpler and, of course, better for the planet if they did away with themselves? But then most lefties I know have never been introduced to the logic chain.
oilbertan on November 23, 2007 at 12:48 PM
Perhaps we should ask them if THEIR mothers should have taken the same attitude. >8-/
Or perhaps we could argue that they might be aborting someone who could have invented an amazing hybrid car or new way of generating energy w/o pollution?
But I digress. What use is logic on these selfish eco-retards anyway?
Dark-Star on November 23, 2007 at 1:02 PM
Sterilization and abortion aside, I have to admire people who are able to admit they don’t want children. But, let’s face it, people are selfish creatures. If this person REALLY wanted to have a child, rather than sacrifice her desire, she would make excuses for having a boat load of kids by saying she was bringing them up to be part of a ‘new generation of environmentally-friendly humans’. Instead, she’s playing the part of environmental martyr. How convenient!
speed911 on November 23, 2007 at 1:19 PM
Gore you freeking genius! I never thought of this angle, whoohoo. Hippie chicks here I come!
- The Cat
MirCat on November 23, 2007 at 1:20 PM
Natural Selection at work!!
Mother nature removes a Liberal sub-species which exhibits self-destructive behavior from the gene pool.
landlines on November 23, 2007 at 1:38 PM
Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. –Psalms 137:9
I’m an environmentalist who is often disguisted with the environmental movement. I quit the Sierra Club, because I found it just too politically correct. When did “diversity” become more importance than the environment to environmentalists? I also hate environmentalists who can’t get basic economics into their heads. How can anyone expect an environmental policy to work if it makes no sense economically? There is also the problem that global warming is being quite overrated relative to other issues. However, I fear that part of the reason for overrating global warming is a concession to the right. By talking about the reducing carbon emissions, the environmentalists can avoid talking about overpopulation.
thuja on November 23, 2007 at 1:38 PM
These members of the lunatic fringe have only taken a page from the Shakers albeit without a Christian (but perhaps with a Wiccan ) perspective.
May the Earth Mother bless them for not introducing any of their spawn into human existence.
Schmo on November 23, 2007 at 1:39 PM
How barbaric - we could be distroying the designer of the iPod replacement.
Zaire67 on November 23, 2007 at 1:43 PM
Ah the great irony of this story being released today. On the one hand we have the loon who is sooooo concerned about the planet, she aborts and is sterilized to reduce her carbon footprint. On the other hand we have the most insane shopping day of the year when millions of people are out driving their gas-guzzlers, consuming to the nth degree, and generally producing enough waste to reach the clouds. I bet it makes Toni’s head explode!
Me, I’m going to avoid the madness and go golfing. But don’t worry, I replace my divots, so Gaia doesn’t mind.
Mallard T. Drake on November 23, 2007 at 1:43 PM
To bad the islamists don’t see it the same way. So keep haveing your abortions and killing yourselves, you just make it easier for the islamist to take over.
I can’t believe that people really think like this.
jharada on November 23, 2007 at 1:55 PM
Wow. TOTAL DEATHCULT FREAKS. Disgusting.
I’m sure they WALKED to South Africa for their latest vacation, it’s like all about being green.
Creepy stuff.
WriterMom on November 23, 2007 at 1:56 PM
How many are “enough”? Upon what do you base this? Even our most crowded cities can still handle more, and the Earth is an enormous place.
I’ll never understand the arrogance of some people who want the gift of life, a gift they’re currently enjoying, to be curtailed for others. I just don’t get it.
Kensington on November 23, 2007 at 1:57 PM
Dusty
LOL. Funneeeee. I’m sure Ms. GaiaDeath didn’t think about that.
WriterMom on November 23, 2007 at 1:58 PM
On second thought, they made the right decesion. They should not have kids to pass on there stupidity.
jharada on November 23, 2007 at 1:58 PM
You didn’t answer the part about how you justify your own taking up of space and use of resources?
JiangxiDad on November 23, 2007 at 2:00 PM
With just a few minor adjustments:
And yet somehow:
Someone needs to introduce her to the term “Cognitive dissonance”.
P.S. Please encourage your fellow “environmentalists” to spay or neuter all animals, save the earth for the . . err, for . . . err, well crap - Save the Earth for the Earth! There!
Fatal on November 23, 2007 at 2:06 PM
I accept that “life is exploitation”. Anyway, I actually do live the lifestyle that the “environmentalists” claim to want to live, but somehow never do. Who buys a “green” SUV?
thuja on November 23, 2007 at 2:34 PM
Was referring to your comment on the utility of abortion:
I firmly support the argument that abortion is a positively wonderful technology because otherwise we produce more people than is good for the environment.
JiangxiDad on November 23, 2007 at 2:40 PM
I’m sorry, but I see nothing wrong with abortion and so I find your question meaningless. And I stress that I’m not being flippant or hostile towards you in answering this way. I like many of your ideas.
thuja on November 23, 2007 at 3:06 PM
You justify abortion in this thread on the basis that it is good for the environment. Is it unfair to ask you why your presence is OK for the environment, but some un-born kid’s isn’t?
JiangxiDad on November 23, 2007 at 3:13 PM
I don’t call fetuses kids and I don’t like the values of the “pro-life” movement. My aunt is in a nursing home. Her life is horrible–just pain and anxiety. My mother goes and visits her and comes back feeling depressed. She calls me on the telephone and I have to deal with her depression. My feelings towards “pro-life” value are hatred because they do nothing but make me and the people around me miserable. I’m certainly not the only one.
thuja on November 23, 2007 at 3:23 PM
No, I call them kids.
I didn’t understand the part about your aunt, or what you said about your feelings toward pro-life values. Just don’t get what you’re saying.
I hope that you’re not saying that your aunt would be better off dead, because that would be yet another person besides yourself that you think would be better off dead. Am I misreading something?
JiangxiDad on November 23, 2007 at 3:28 PM
Exit answer: Some people should be thanked for not peeing in the gene pool.
locomotivebreath1901 on November 23, 2007 at 3:32 PM
I most certainly am saying my aunt would be better off dead. I don’t have the faintest clue why you would consider the production of human misery to be morality. If you want my aunt alive, what possible objection can one have to Saddam Hussein’s torture chambers or his sons’ rape rooms? After all, no one is killed as long as it’s just torture or rape.
thuja on November 23, 2007 at 3:39 PM
Too bad your parents didn’t think of that.
wytammic on November 23, 2007 at 3:44 PM
Thuja. The question is whether your aunt wants to be alive, not if you want her to. I am concerned that someone as loving and concerned and peaceful as you would like to see so many other people dead. I still haven’t truly heard a good justification for you being alive.
JiangxiDad on November 23, 2007 at 3:45 PM
Voluntary Human Extinction Movement aka the Democrat Party.
p0s3r on November 23, 2007 at 3:49 PM
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