Chuck Norris fact: Chuck Norris wants the Bible taught in public schools
posted at 2:43 pm on November 23, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Suddenly atheist Sunday school doesn’t sound so silly. Old but gold, and likely to further burnish the coveted Norris endorsement for Mike Huckabee in the eyes of social cons. Chuck Norris fact: Church and state are separate only because sticking together would make them easier targets for Chuck Norris.
Update: Speak of the devil.
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Would balance out a lot of the crap they teach in public schools. My nine-year old was shown a movie in spanish class last Tuesday– nice American 9 year old girl worried that they’re going to kick her illegal alien wonderful Dad out of the country.
The very last thing you need to worry about in school is the Bible. You crack me up.
JiangxiDad on November 23, 2007 at 2:48 PM
Absolutely frightening.
Let’s not start taking lessons in morality from a guy that dumped the mother of his kids so he could marry his blonde trophy wife. Chuck Norris is as bogus as a three-dollar bill.
And just where do you think this will lead? Once you let the bible into the classroom (used as a textbook!), the koran will be next. There’s a good reason for separation of church and state; they both suffer when mixed.
thejackal on November 23, 2007 at 2:51 PM
I’m glad. Can’t wait to see how the commentariat comes down on this one, either. Having the state teach the Bible as part of its compulsory curriculum is a textbook violation of the Establishment Clause (no pun intended). Let’s see how many people her give it the big-whoop shrug.
Allahpundit on November 23, 2007 at 2:52 PM
Chuck Norris wants the Bible taught so he can finally reveal the Truth:
The Walls of Jericho fell because Chuck Norris roundhouse-kicked them.
God caused the world to flood to slow down Chuck Norris; but since nothing slows down Chuck Norris, after 40 days and 40 nights, God gave up and let the waters recede.
Frozen Tex on November 23, 2007 at 2:53 PM
Having the state teach the Bible as part of its compulsory curriculum is a textbook violation of the Establishment Clause (no pun intended). Let’s see how many people her give it the big-whoop shrug.
JiangxiDad on November 23, 2007 at 2:58 PM
sorry.
JiangxiDad on November 23, 2007 at 2:59 PM
Chuck Norris sold his soul to the devil to gain his incredible fighting skills, but he subsequently delivered a roundhouse kick to the devil’s face and took his soul back. The devil has a finely tuned sense of irony, and congratulated him. They go out for beers now and then.
Damian P. on November 23, 2007 at 2:59 PM
After bible class, I’m going to atheist class. We used to have math, science and english during this time; but dividing people into camps is far more important than educating our youth to compete in the world.
lorien1973 on November 23, 2007 at 3:00 PM
That’s not what Chuck’s suggesting. Do you mean to say you take this as him urging the teaching of the Bible alongside the Koran, the Torah, Confucianism, etc?
Allahpundit on November 23, 2007 at 3:00 PM
OH NO! Not that! Fact: a lot of small town schools still offer bible studies as an elective. The point, it is optional and voluntary.
This is a huge difference from the schools that treid to force kids to dress like muslims for a day (key word “forced) and other schools having classes in Islam now. If they are allowed to force our kids to learn about islam, then why not have a class on christianity? That would be just as fair and balanced as teaching evolution along side with devine creation. All theories and beliefs must be taught, otherwise it is not true academics.
My college history classes taught basics of christianity and islam, relating them to historical events, empires, etc. Why can’t other schools do this? It is a relative lesson on world history.
El Guapo on November 23, 2007 at 3:02 PM
I’m betting those same people who give this a pass or endorse it would cry bloody murder if it were the Quran being taught.
Gene Splicer on November 23, 2007 at 3:02 PM
When Chuck Norris prays, God says “Amen!”
infidel4life on November 23, 2007 at 3:03 PM
Indeed, but they’ll distinguish that on grounds that the Koran teaches war and the Bible teaches peace. A better analogy would be Buddhism. If you think Baptists get a little ornery when Mormons poach members of the congregation, have the state turn a few Christian kids into budding Buddhist monks and see what happens.
Allahpundit on November 23, 2007 at 3:05 PM
Ok. A confession is in order. I didn’t and wouldn’t listen to Chuck Norris. I was trying to argue that I, and others, would benefit from learning about the Bible in school, along with info. about the other religions. Yes, I am saying it, not Norris. I just don’t want the bible banned from school, which it appears to me to be.
JiangxiDad on November 23, 2007 at 3:06 PM
Don’t forget to include astrology, blood-letting and demon possession for causes of illness in medical school. After
all, we need to be “true” academics.
Voluntary classes perhaps and in the light of history, but trying to pass off ID, CS and creationism as such is a violation.
Gene Splicer on November 23, 2007 at 3:06 PM
This is just embarrassing to Bible believing Christians get mocked because of this idiocy, when in fact most don’t hold this position. Though if it IS just to teach history, etc. there’s certainly a place for it. My freshman year of high school I had to learn all about Jewish history (for an entire quarter), find a Jewish person to interview, and even cook Jewish food!!! We also had an entire quarter about Mao/China, and still another about ancient Greece, all the Gods, etc. Given the country we live in, it’s certainly acceptable and borderline necessary that we include Christian/Biblical history, no?
Anyway, as much a cult hero as Norris is, he’s really an embarrassment. Did anyone see him sub in for Hannity that one time? He sounded like a retarded person.
RightWinged on November 23, 2007 at 3:07 PM
@ El Guapo on November 23, 2007 at 3:02 PM
No, not all theories must be taught in school. If you teach Evolution (scientifically studied) next to the creation theory (science cannot ever be applied), then you must teach astrology next to astronomy, alchemy next to chemistry, etc. I want my kids learning facts in school, and leave the faith based theories up to the parents to teach their children. I personally dont want my kids being taught wild theories about things that can never be proven. To me, there is no difference in teaching the bible in school than teaching Harry Potter as a factual class. Each is a story which may or may not have actual events in it, but both must be taken 100% on faith to be believed.
muyoso on November 23, 2007 at 3:08 PM
If so, then maybe he should move to another country, one that did not have such men as Thomas Jefferson as a founding father. Seeing how it’s Chuck Norris though, it would, of course, be only if he wanted to.
MB4 on November 23, 2007 at 3:08 PM
thejackal
I long for the day for people to judge Bill Clinton like that. He cheats on his family, so who else will he cheat on? The American people?
But the separation of church and state was not meant ot keep all religion out of the state (otherwise, even the democrats would oppose prayers and moments of silence on the house and senate floor). It was meant to forbid our gov’t from sanctioning a state religion like England did at that time. Freedom of religion does not mean banning of everything religious from the State. It does however forbid discriminating against a religion.
El Guapo on November 23, 2007 at 3:08 PM
Or just add to it.
MB4 on November 23, 2007 at 3:10 PM
Public schools shouldn’t be proselytizing, Chuck’s off base here if that’s what he wants(don’t kill me).
However, people should be allowed to send their kids to private schools that do(or don’t for that matter) with vouchers. Parents should be allowed to break free of the grip of the public ed. system, whether they send them to religious or secular schools.
Bad Candy on November 23, 2007 at 3:10 PM
Well first of all, the Torah is part of the Bible, so that shouldn’t be included in your list. Anyway, I did have to learn about Confucianism my freshman year of high school. Didn’t learn about the Koran because it wasn’t the post 9/11 world in which we now live, where liberal education systems are desperate to prove their dhimittude.
RightWinged on November 23, 2007 at 3:10 PM
@ RightWinged on November 23, 2007 at 3:07 PM
You remined me of Its Always Sunny in Philadelphia, hilarious.
muyoso on November 23, 2007 at 3:10 PM
Gene Splicer
We learned that too! And how it all tied into the evolution of civilization and its history. Maybe I just went to a good school
Maybe my coffee isn’t kicking in ful speed yet. can you clarify that one?
El Guapo on November 23, 2007 at 3:12 PM
I say religion is too controversial right now to teach it indepth in a public school, voluntary or not. However, referencing and teaching its relevance in history though his a must.
El Guapo on November 23, 2007 at 3:14 PM
IS a must, not
El Guapo on November 23, 2007 at 3:15 PM
I recall being taught about the “cultural revolution” in grade 3 (in Canada, late 70’s), and being told what a neat thing it was; I didn’t find out how much evil had been perpetrated until I was an adult, no thanks to public schools.
Frozen Tex on November 23, 2007 at 3:16 PM
No, the other country would have to move to Chuck Norris.
Frozen Tex on November 23, 2007 at 3:18 PM
This is what I was referring to. Creationism is myth based and not science nor academic in the least to teach.
Similarly, teaching intelligent design or creation science as science would also be a violation of the establishment clause not to mention passing pseudoscience off as science. If you are willing to do that, then why not teach astrology and the rest as similarly factual science.
In a history class, fine, but not as science or as like the misguided Norris claims is the foundation of (insert notable item here).
Gene Splicer on November 23, 2007 at 3:20 PM
Also remember, a mandate that creationism is taught in public schools would mean that any school receiving federal money could also be made to teach evolution, including and especially church based schools.
muyoso on November 23, 2007 at 3:22 PM
At the beginning of the nineteenth century, the king james bible was a frequent, and often required, book for classroom instruction. And while
ChucMr. Norris’ idea may be a positive step toward classical education in the basis of most Western culture, the idea is stillborn.The
vulturesparasiteslawyers salivate at such opportunities to feast at the taxpayers expense.Nope.
ChucMr. Norris would be more effective to focus his enormous persuasive talents on a system where the education dollars follow the child to his parent’s school of choice.VOTE SCHOOL VOUCHERS – VOTE SCHOOL CHOICE
locomotivebreath1901 on November 23, 2007 at 3:22 PM
Mexico is doing that right now. Maybe he can have bible studies with them at is place.
MB4 on November 23, 2007 at 3:25 PM
You need not religion to have morals. It seems most of society is Christian and most of the occupants of prisons are too. So where are the morals?
Western civilization is based upon much more than one religion. Our legal system for example is pagan in origin and not Christian.
Gene Splicer on November 23, 2007 at 3:28 PM
OT:
Rosie’s mouth sewn shut! But for how long?
http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2007/11/rosie_odonnells_1.html
Kalapana on November 23, 2007 at 3:29 PM
I don’t see it as a problem if it is an elective. The bible, in addition to being a religious text, is also a philosophical one. Should we stop public schools from teaching our children what Buddhism or Taoism is? Should we not recommend they read Common Sense because Paine uses biblical references when arguing against monarchy?
Defense Guy on November 23, 2007 at 3:30 PM
It is a theory based on the lack of scientific evidence that can prove 100% the theory of evolution. The only thing creationism cannot explain, or will not touch, is where did the creator come from (my favorite twist). It is just another theory, which should not be ommitted, but taught carefully so as not to steer the class into the topic of religion. It can and has been done.
El Guapo on November 23, 2007 at 3:31 PM
You have a better chance of seeing peanuts or dodgeball in school, than a bible. What a straw man.
JiangxiDad on November 23, 2007 at 3:31 PM
Mr Chuck needs to read the writings of the founding fathers of our country, then get back to us on what should be taught in scools.
I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology.
- Thomas Jefferson
Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.
- Thomas Jefferson
The Government of the United States is in no sense founded on the Christian religion.
- John Adams
What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy.
- James Madison
MB4 on November 23, 2007 at 3:34 PM
El Guapo on November 23, 2007 at 3:31 PM
That is far from the only hole in creationism.
First off, nothing proves the world is only 6000 years old. There is ample evidence that the world is billions of years old. So god sat there for billions of years in a haze, then one day got really bored and decided to work on this whole creating life and the universe thing for a week? Oh, and on top of that, he hid dinosaur bones so that we could find them and be all confused and stuff, yea, that makes ANY sense.
muyoso on November 23, 2007 at 3:35 PM
Kids get the religion of secular humanism 24/7 so why not?
Mojave Mark on November 23, 2007 at 3:35 PM
On the contrary, Islam is spreading like wildfire in the countries of the corrupt, impoverished, and uneducated (trend?), and in our prisons as well.
You are right that western civ is based on more than one religion. Inventions, traditions, laws, are all derived from religions, and also Pagan beliefs. Even the symbol of Islam (cresent moon) is from a Pagan belief. They were used as a way to maintian order of the masses (laws). Otherwise brtual anarchy would result in their cities/societies.
El Guapo on November 23, 2007 at 3:37 PM
Those who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in Chuck Norris a convenient auxiliary. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need Chuck Norris.
- James Madison (updated)
MB4 on November 23, 2007 at 3:39 PM
For the record, anyone who argues that evolution is the alternative to creationism is not being truthful. If you really want to compare 2 alternate theories about the start of life on earth, you need to compare creationism (which is not science) with abio-genesis (which is not only not evolution, it is not proven). Pretending even that evolution, which could be true regardless of life’s origins, has been proven is also dishonest.
Defense Guy on November 23, 2007 at 3:39 PM
I see no problem teaching Biblical history, or Islamic history. In fact, we should know more about the brutality of islamic invasions, and we should know more about our own culture, including Judeo-Christian thought.
Rock on Chuck.
CrimsonFisted on November 23, 2007 at 3:42 PM
muyoso
There are holes in every science. Global Warming (especially!), and even radio carbon dating is said to be questionable.
That is why teaching only one theory is wrong. you cannot have true debate and scientific reasoning/theory when you omit facts or other theories (that = indoctrination). Just like teaching Marxism and omitting or twisting and incorrectly teaching Adam Smith in economics classes is VERY wrong too, but it is happening.
El Guapo on November 23, 2007 at 3:42 PM
MB4
Cherry picking quotes from the founders is in no way proof of what you are suggesting. In fact, it’s a lie. Every single one of the 13 colonies had state defined religions, and the first time Jefferson tried to get Virginia to eliminate their statute, he failed. In fact, if you go back and actually read many of the works generated back then, you will find that religious argumentation was pervasive.
But nice try.
Defense Guy on November 23, 2007 at 3:43 PM
Okay, my turn. What is this supposed to mean?
Creationism is not a theory of any scientific measure. It is simply religion and supernatural belief. By that very nature, it is not science since science only deals with the natural world, not the supernatural.
Gene Splicer on November 23, 2007 at 3:43 PM
MB4
Jet Li could kick Chuck Nirris’s butt, even when adjusted and given handicaps for age.
El Guapo on November 23, 2007 at 3:44 PM
Man has been here 32,000 years. That it took a hundred million years to prepare the world for him is proof that that is what it was done for. I suppose it is. I dunno. If the Eiffel tower were now representing the world’s age, the skin of paint on the pinnacle-knob at its summit would represent man’s share of that age; & anybody would perceive that that skin was what the tower was built for. I reckon they would. I dunno.
– Mark Twain
MB4 on November 23, 2007 at 3:44 PM
Defense Guy
But the States were wrong for having a defined religion. That alone violated separation of church and State (keeping the State out of the church) and discriminated on the basis of religion, regardless the outcome of Jefferson’s efforts.
El Guapo on November 23, 2007 at 3:47 PM
Okay, let me regionalize that comment then. Most of my country, USA, and the prison population claim to be Christian. That can also be supported historically in both our society and prisons, USA again.
And our legal system and laws did not originate with any religion. English common law is rooted in the history of the pagan Vikings.
Gene Splicer on November 23, 2007 at 3:47 PM
So you think that I just picked quotes from them when they were drunk and didn’t have any idea of what they were saying?
Try again.
MB4 on November 23, 2007 at 3:48 PM
Ironic how atheists are never more holier-than-thou as when discussing that which they deny exists.
infidel4life on November 23, 2007 at 3:48 PM
I’m willing to guess that to have your typical history or philosophy teacher attempt to dissect the deep meanings of the Holy Bible would be a complete disaster. No, the best place to understand the Bible is within the confines of your own home, doing your own research, and then attending church services when possible. Not by placing it in the incapable bumbling hands of a school teacher.
Vaporman87 on November 23, 2007 at 3:49 PM
Could anyone please find that phrase in the Constitution somewhere?
Frozen Tex on November 23, 2007 at 3:50 PM
No scientific theory is ever really proven due to the falsifiable requirement, but evolution has a huge mountain of supportive evidence from various scientific disciplines. To say it is “just a theory” illustrates a total lack of understanding what a theory is.
Gene Splicer on November 23, 2007 at 3:51 PM
Gene Splicer
I was referring to American prisons.
But some of our laws are rooted from religious teachings. All of the 10 commandments can be punishable to some degree or another by laws. Even religous beliefs were use to keep people from anarchy before Hammarabi Codes were written. It may not all be christianity, but they did come from some form of religious belief.
El Guapo on November 23, 2007 at 3:52 PM
This post creates the perfect opportunity to say out loud what I usually only think — this guy’s an idiot.
I love all the Chuck Norris Rules stuff, great fun. But he’s an idiot.
Jaibones on November 23, 2007 at 3:52 PM
I love that you left the rest of what I had to say out. I also love that you think you can extrapolate what these men felt about religion by choosing only selected quotes, and then not even indicating where they came from or in what context they were delivered. If I had to guess, which I do, I’d say you know very little either about these men, or about the origins of this country.
That is, of course, your right.
Defense Guy on November 23, 2007 at 3:53 PM
And isn’t it typical to be misclassified for a ad hominem comment. Please cite where I have ever stated that something does not exist? Claiming not to believe in something is far from claiming it does not exist.
Gene Splicer on November 23, 2007 at 3:54 PM
As a Christian, I am very uncomfortable with the idea of non-believers teaching Bible in public schools.
I also do not want the Bible to be proscribed or indoctrinated to students.
However, as a matter of history (i.e. “doing history as history”), some religious views need to be openly discussed, for example: the beneficial relationship between religion and free market economics, etc.
I oppose any and all forms of religious indoctrination. But this is separate from discussing religious ideas or competing religious viewpoints in the public schools.
ColtsFan on November 23, 2007 at 3:54 PM
I agree. But who is to say creationism was not behind the beginning of life, intentionally kick-starting life so that evolution can take over from there? But then again, I ned to ask, where did the creator come from? Not asking that would be unscientific.
El Guapo on November 23, 2007 at 3:56 PM
I agree. Now, try focusing on what I said regarding using the “huge mountain of supportive evidence” to show me where it has been proven that life just happened randomly. Because those are the things you need to compare for this discussion. Allowing the word evolution to act as a stand in for abio-genesis, because evolution has some supporting evidence, is at best a dodge and at worse a knowing lie.
Defense Guy on November 23, 2007 at 3:57 PM
For those who don’t much care for the founding fathers, how about the savior of the Union then?
The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession.
- Abraham Lincoln
I don’t much care for Chuck “Bible thumping” Norris nor the a$$ he rode in on either. William Tecumseh, looks like you have more work to do.
- Abraham Lincoln (updated)
MB4 on November 23, 2007 at 3:58 PM
Eh – I’ll pass, but thanks anyway Chuck. For two reasons:
1) You teach one of them, you have to teach them all. And, that is just ridiculous. We have a hard time finding teachers qualified to teach the basics, now we want to make them religion experts too? I don’t think so.
2)If I want my kid to learn Christianity (or any other faith) I’ll teach him at home, or/and send him to a private school. I would much rather be the one teaching faith to my kid than someone else who may not, like I said, have a proficient understanding of the subject.
Now, please Church Norris, don’t hurt me!
nailinmyeye on November 23, 2007 at 3:58 PM
The evolution (no pun intended) of our legal system and laws do not support your claims. Please show me where I can be fined or imprison for not honoring my mother or father? What is the penalty for coveting my neighbors ass or wife? Not actually doing anything, just coveting?
This is a common claim of the faithful, but it is not supported by history.
Religious laws and systems lend to be draconian. We have living proof of that today.
Gene Splicer on November 23, 2007 at 3:58 PM
Good call.
What’s up, by the way? Colts still looking pretty good.
nailinmyeye on November 23, 2007 at 4:01 PM
Vaporman87 on November 23, 2007 at 3:49 PM
I tend to agree. Do you feel the same about the other religious themed philosophies?
Just for the record, I cannot claim to know the answer to these topics we’re discussing, so I hope no one will take my contrariness personally. What’s more, I have no right, and no desire to demand you believe as I do.
Defense Guy on November 23, 2007 at 4:02 PM
For those scared to death about the bible scare in the schools you better rush on over there and pull them all out.
JiangxiDad on November 23, 2007 at 4:02 PM
They were founded as European colonies. After the revolution the Constitution became the supreme law of the land.
dedalus on November 23, 2007 at 4:02 PM
For those who want religion taught in public scrools (HT: Rush?), be careful what you wish for.
MB4 on November 23, 2007 at 4:02 PM
That is the fields of biogenesis or abiogenist and not what evolution seeks to address. Also note that lack of evidence on the part of science for any theory is not automatic evidence for some claim made by religion or myth.
Trying ot claim that is simply the old god of the gaps argument. As our knowledge increases, those gaps become ever smaller.
Gene Splicer on November 23, 2007 at 4:03 PM
Nice! Also how religion created and expand empires, was used as a way to help fund and fend off Muslim murauders in the east, which arguably, ultimatley was a lobbied as justification to funding the infamous/famous crusades (Muslims did this as well, even before the “First Crusade”). Church corruption, and reform,…etc, etc, all of it is relative and important to history.
El Guapo on November 23, 2007 at 4:03 PM
Even if I DID disagree with him, I wouldn’t say so out loud.
I like my jaw positioned right where it is now.
Brian the sailor on November 23, 2007 at 4:03 PM
At the risk of being disliked even more, Lincoln did not save the Union. He condemned it to a slow death.
Gene Splicer on November 23, 2007 at 4:04 PM
Really, how so? (Here come the sanctimonious hackles…)
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheist
“One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.”
infidel4life on November 23, 2007 at 4:04 PM
For you and me, but apparently not for Chuck Norris.
MB4 on November 23, 2007 at 4:04 PM
Anyone? Anyone??
No, that’s right, it’s not there, so would people stop trotting out that phrase as if it were.
Frozen Tex on November 23, 2007 at 4:06 PM
This is why many religious extremists (especialy those in Islam) fear education and deem some parts of it blasphemous. Come to think of it, maybe this is why liberals are so adamantly trying to take over our schools? especially on topics of history and economics. Because: as we get smarter we are more able to think and provide for ourselves.
El Guapo on November 23, 2007 at 4:07 PM
How so?
By abolishing slavery?
BTW, Jorge Arbusto and others are working on bringing it back as much as possible with Mexican serf labor.
Are you still holding a grudge for what happened to Atlanta?
MB4 on November 23, 2007 at 4:08 PM
“First off, nothing proves the world is only 6000 years old.” -muyoso on November 23, 2007 at 3:35 PM
Really? From what specific sources have you derived this conclusion? Did all the scientists of the world come together in a meeting of the minds and decide this was to be the consensus view?
“There is ample evidence that the world is billions of years old.” -muyoso on November 23, 2007 at 3:35 PM
Again, really? From what specific sources have you derived this conclusion? Did all the scientists of the world come together in a meeting of the minds and decide this was to be the consensus view?
I will anxiously be waiting for your conclusive proof of God’s non-existence, as well as the conclusive proof that evolution is absolute fact.
Vaporman87 on November 23, 2007 at 4:08 PM
Teaching the Bible would seem OK if they can figure out which class to teach it in. History or literature class would be OK. Using a public school to indoctrinate students into a particular religion is less of a good idea. The first fight could be over which version of the Bible to use–though I guess we’d all use Chuck’s version.
dedalus on November 23, 2007 at 4:08 PM
So you are defining me by a definition that fits your classifications? Again, where have I stated such a belief? And, I prefer to use the classic definition of atheos to describe myself.
Gene Splicer on November 23, 2007 at 4:08 PM
I think you’ve confused Lincoln with FDR’s economic policies.
infidel4life on November 23, 2007 at 4:10 PM
MB4 I see you’re still quoting those dead white guys. I think that maybe you have a shrine set up for your apparent favorite, Mark Twain! (Just kidding!)
Right now the public schools are doing their best to produce atheistic socialists (socialistic atheists, whatever). I think that if they don’t get back to just teaching academics that vouchers will become a reality. Right now the only hope people who object to this indoctrination have is private school and home school. These are not options for everyone. I have done both and we have lost some of the equity in our home (needed for retirement) in order to keep our kids in a decent school.
Rose on November 23, 2007 at 4:11 PM
Simplistic view of history and equally simplistic retort on your part.
I speak of his centralizing of power in violation of the constitution. The legacy of the Civil War and of Lincoln is what we have in D.C. today.
Gene Splicer on November 23, 2007 at 4:11 PM
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
- Stephen Roberts
MB4 on November 23, 2007 at 4:12 PM
I didn’t write the freaking dictionary. Define yourself however you want to.
I’m simply pointing out the self-righteous nature of Atheism, which I find ironic and amusing.
infidel4life on November 23, 2007 at 4:13 PM
Chuck Norris thinks the bible should be taught in schools. And Allahpundit wants posters that shrug at this to be an issue as it reveals that they are not really secularly minded because they do not mind the bible but would balk at the Koran. I think Allahpundit is correct.
Newsflash for Allahpundit. Church and state are not seperate, not in this country, not in any country. Religion effects the culture and intertwines itself into all institutions, period. And an Originalist interpetation of the Establishment clause would very much allow using the bible in school. The vast majority of Christians and even deists used the King James. Congress even printed bibles for the express puspose of using them in schools. So quit yer snivelin’
Theworldisnotenough on November 23, 2007 at 4:13 PM
You are trying to have it both ways. In the span of 2 posts you have claimed that evolution (acting as the foil for creationism) has “mountains of supporting evidence” and now you are trying to say it doesn’t speak to the issue at hand. If not, why bring it up in the first place.
Also, I’m not trying to prove the gaps, nor do I want faith to take the place of science. My point is simply that if you are going to argue and alternative to creationism, evolution ain’t it, and the ones that are alternatives don’t have the “mountains of evidence” to support them. I will further concede, as I already have, that creationism isn’t really science as we have defined it.
Defense Guy on November 23, 2007 at 4:14 PM
It is not in there verbatim, but it is mentioned in the 1st Ammendment, AKA Bill of Rights.
Amendment I
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html
El Guapo on November 23, 2007 at 4:15 PM
I believe that part of the reason the bible started getting pushed out of the classroom was an ongoing argument between denominations as to which version and doctrine were more appropriate.
If it is that important to have the bible taught why don’t the parents of students simply add another hour or three to the services on Sunday for that purpose? Then everyone is happy.
OT but AP couldn’t you have picked a better frame than one which makes Chuck look a little like Geraldo? (kidding)
Bradky on November 23, 2007 at 4:16 PM
Separation of church and state became the term to describe this, and then in my opion is now exploited to be entirely atheist in meaning, or to never reference religion at all in any gov’t institution, ceramony, or property.
El Guapo on November 23, 2007 at 4:16 PM
A nice exercise in semantic gymnastics, but ultimately meaningless.
infidel4life on November 23, 2007 at 4:19 PM
Now that was a profound and complex view and “retort” if I ever saw one. Oh the irony. lol.
If you are looking for the explanation for something, first look to the simplistic explanation as it is likely the correct one.
- Holmes
Simplistic baloney.
MB4 on November 23, 2007 at 4:19 PM
Can you give me ONE FACT about creationism?
muyoso on November 23, 2007 at 4:19 PM
It’s like pulling teeth to get people to believe the truth about this. So, when did it become the law of the land?
Defense Guy on November 23, 2007 at 4:20 PM
Everything as meaning. Look harder.
MB4 on November 23, 2007 at 4:20 PM
Can you give me ONE FACT about creationism?
muyoso
What caused the big bang? You cannot not scientifically get something out of total nothingness. Not even antimatter. This is where the “theory” of creationism (my version anyway) comes in. But where did the creator come from!?
El Guapo on November 23, 2007 at 4:22 PM
Call me when Chuck tasers Satan. Then i might have something to add to this thread.
amish on November 23, 2007 at 4:22 PM
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