Video: Bro tased
posted at 9:31 pm on November 21, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Starts slow but the initial demand for license and registration contains just enough ‘tude to make it worth watching in full. If you can’t be bothered, skip ahead to 2:00 or (-8:00 if you’re counting down) and see what happens when electricity is introduced into the mix of an ornery cop, a driver who doesn’t take him seriously, and his pregnant wife. The investigation’s already begun:
The Utah Highway Patrol has a nine-page policy on Taser use, including in instances where “a subject is threatening himself, an officer or another person with physical force, and when other means of controlling the subject are unreasonable or could cause injury to the officer, the subject or others,” Nigbur said.
Any threat of injury to the officer here?
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So, in other words, you can’t sign for a package from UPS? You know, because it proves you received it? You really can’t be that stupid, can you?
Bomb Doctor on November 22, 2007 at 12:19 AM
http://law.freeadvice.com/general_practice/traffic_law/refuse_ticker.htm
TheBigOldDog on November 22, 2007 at 12:19 AM
Here, all your lesser tickets are misdemeanors, Speeding, stop sign expired license etc.. are all Class C Misdemeanors.
GoodBoy on November 22, 2007 at 12:20 AM
Actually this is funny, I’m talking about the debate here. For a History/Pol Science major, there’s really a divide on center-right blogs over this. Some of you are showing signs of strict authoritarism (or fascism to our liberal friends), others a shallow libertarism.
History-wise, would the Founding Father’s agreed with the officer’s decision? My guess is that Jefferson would be screaming for rebellion by “the people”, Hamilton grabbing a second taser to supress “the mob”.
TheEJS on November 22, 2007 at 12:21 AM
Seriously. If not signing the ticket is an issue, the officer could have said, “you signing the ticket is not an admission of guilt, just that you will agree to appear…” Instead, it was “get out of the car!” The officer was in control, (or should have been). He escalated the situation and should know better as a professional, I would think.
The driver was jerk, no doubt, but tasers sometimes kill. The officer needs to take a few day chill pill. The driver needs to grow some manners, but didn’t deserve to be tased.
If either one would have done the right thing maybe this would have turned out better.
Ordinary1 on November 22, 2007 at 12:21 AM
The whole thing was on tape. We WERE there. Thank you for your service if you are a police officer but that cop should not be a cop.
peacenprosperity on November 22, 2007 at 12:22 AM
libertarianism*
And I’m showing signs of imbibing too much al-key-hal.
TheEJS on November 22, 2007 at 12:22 AM
ThackerAgency
The cop car was not a hazard sitting in front of the speed limit sign. He pulled over letting the speeder pass, he never completely stopped. This shows he has the ability to clock people behind him. I don’t think the officer did a good thing. I think the driver acted like an idiot, and was averdue for some lessons that he was not above the law and that everyone is not a pushover.
The cop ef’d up.
forest
Where did you graduate? ACLU University? You just contradicted yourself in your own sentence.
El Guapo on November 22, 2007 at 12:23 AM
Well my dad went to bed, so I can’t ask him more about this tonight. But the fact remains that yes…all of this varies from state to state. But if, like here, you’re pulled over for speeding, you’ve essentially broken the law…which states that you go the speed limit.
As the driver, you can disagree with it. And you have the opportunity to go to court and state your case. But you’re recieving a citation for breaking the law.
Eh, I’ll find out more tomorrow.
Happy Thanksgiving to all!
JetBoy on November 22, 2007 at 12:24 AM
Take a look at your driver’s license, if you have one. It has your signature on it.
Bomb Doctor on November 22, 2007 at 12:25 AM
You are quite the charmer and your analogy is rediculous. The cop has his insurance, his registration, his license. The stop was recorded on the dashboard camera. he probably called in the information on the driver. How is the driver going to disprove all that? You, my freind, are a moron.
peacenprosperity on November 22, 2007 at 12:25 AM
You were speeding.
No I wasn’t.
I’m giving you a ticket anyway.
But I wasn’t speeding.
Here sign the ticket.
No.
Fine. Here’s your copy anyway. If you don’t answer it and pay the fine an arrest warrant will be issued. Have a nice day, jerk.
That should have been the end of it.
Forcing the kid out of his car to intimidate him, scare him, maybe cuff him, harass him for a while and embarrass him in front of his wife was not necessary. It unnecessarily escalated a routine traffic stop. It was the cop that escalated the encounter.
The kid was a disrespectful jerk. If I was in his shoes and the officer asked me to eat dirt I would have said yum yum. But this kid’s reaction was not an escalation ever. The cop bought himself a lawsuit.
tommylotto on November 22, 2007 at 12:25 AM
In Utah they write refused to sign and off you go on your merry way. Been there, done that. A simple traffic stop is not a bondable offense, hell you don’t even go before a regular judge, you appear before a magistrate. Simple misdemeanors thats all.
And no, you DO NOT automatically give up all your rights just because someone is wearing a badge. No matter what kind it is. Come on over to Utah, meet some of our UHP, you will see. Not all are cowboys itching for a fight, but in the rural areas like this and southern Utah you have to protect yourself from criminals and the cops.
Sammy316 on November 22, 2007 at 12:25 AM
We should all reflect.
It’s Chris Rock, so content warning.
- The Cat
MirCat on November 22, 2007 at 12:26 AM
Adam is right, if you disagree with the cop, just take the ticket to court. That’s how a civilized society functions. If you’re uncivilized, you get zapped.
The judge oughta sentence him to be zapped again just for being stupid.
Tony737 on November 22, 2007 at 12:27 AM
Ya. Refusing to obey an Officer with a weapon drawn is not escalating at all. Brilliant!
TheBigOldDog on November 22, 2007 at 12:27 AM
If he was a real jerk and didn’t believe protecting citizens from the real dangers out there superceded him “winning” and stoking his ego. My money is on the cop having had complaints against him in the past and being reprimanded for his actions here.
peacenprosperity on November 22, 2007 at 12:28 AM
What I like the most about this thread is when some people disagree, they immediately call the other “stupid”. Very classy. Some of you sound like liberals…they resort to personal attacks when their own arguments are weak.
infidel on November 22, 2007 at 12:28 AM
You are sitting here claiming to disprove all the video evidence that this clown broke the law, and you call me a “moron”?
Bomb Doctor on November 22, 2007 at 12:29 AM
And beats his wife also.
I mean the cop, not the dog.
The dog probably isn’t married, so it would have to be the cop who beats his wife.
Unless the dog is from San Francisco, then the dog might be married. You never know these days in California.
Although maybe the cops wife is a dog.
Maybe that was why he got mad so easily.
Boy, that is one strange cop.
MB4 on November 22, 2007 at 12:29 AM
You wanna know why these things happen? Because someone ultimately broke the law and refused to obey or fess up to it. Law is the law. No one is above it. Not Pelosi, not Bush, not Petraeus, (Maybe the Clintons are) and definitely not me, “Joe Bloe GI Vet”.
El Guapo on November 22, 2007 at 12:29 AM
This guy thought he was so smart; pwned. He should have saved/used his intelligence and articulate manner in the court room.
“Officer was your speed gun calibrated?”
“No”
Case goes to the intelligent nincompoop tased on the side of the road. How arrogant
I’m glad that idiot was tased.
ar_basin on November 22, 2007 at 12:29 AM
Wasn’t there a video of a cop on a routine traffic stop some where in Maine or New Hampshire where the guy in the vehicle SCREAMED his bloody head off at being given a speeding ticket? And when the cop told him how much the fine would be the guy just went berserk. Tore up the ticket and chucked out the window. The cop then tells the guy that he would be cited for littering if he did not pick up the torn up ticket. Guy gets out of the truck and picks up MOST of the ticket and gets back in his truck. Cop then points out, calmly, that the driver missed a piece and the driver gets back out and gets the remaining piece.
Funny………..THAT is the guy you would think warranted a taze. But NOPE. Cop just let him scream. Walked back to his cruiser shaking his head.
So “Screaming maniac” = shaking head
“Legal Inquiry” = Tazer!
“The beatings will continue until moral improves”
Talon on November 22, 2007 at 12:30 AM
MB4 LOL Nice to hear from you again!
El Guapo on November 22, 2007 at 12:30 AM
You’re only saying that cause you’re a poo-poo head! /s
- The Cat
MirCat on November 22, 2007 at 12:30 AM
I’m not even close to being a libertarian. I appreciate police officers for their sacrifices and respect them for what they have to deal with. I just watched a video of two jerks causing a scene. The cop had the most power and supposedly the training to diffuse the situation and he FAILED.
peacenprosperity on November 22, 2007 at 12:32 AM
Talon
Nice agruement! But you missed our own point. That guy from New England followed the cops orders.
El Guapo on November 22, 2007 at 12:33 AM
There you go, seems settled now. Unless you want to argue for the unlimited power of the police.
peacenprosperity on November 22, 2007 at 12:34 AM
Sure, and I’m not justifying what the moron did. But what the cop should have done, and remember, they’re in the dessert, where are they going to go? let him get back into his vehicle and go, then watch the reenactment of the Blues Brothers cop chase scene.
Then the cop can add child endangerment, resisting arrest, and a few extra felonies.
Kini on November 22, 2007 at 12:34 AM
Well, I’ve said that all this varies in different states…and if that’s how Utah does it, then that’s that.
I mean, I’m from Conn., and when I was going to college in Maryland, I was pulled over so many times down there (CT plates on my car) definetly because I had “yankee” plates on.
It was even worse if ya had NY state plates on…I was in a friends car that got pulled over by U of M campus police, and the first words out of the cops mouth were: “You New Yorkers…you come down here and think you own the place”
Needless to say, sometimes you’re just screwed from the get-go. But I never gave the officer a ‘tude…and only ever had to pay for one speeding ticket.
JetBoy on November 22, 2007 at 12:34 AM
Ha!
We black people who are law-abiding learn the Chris Rock common sense rules of traffic stops from the cradle (language alert; no n-word).
baldilocks on November 22, 2007 at 12:35 AM
Maybe so, I know quite a few cops. I could tell a few stories…..
Kini on November 22, 2007 at 12:36 AM
Okay my stance just changed somewhat. I Like that point of view. But I still stand with “he should have just obeyed, and not acted like an idiot”. But then again, it all depends on their specific SOPs. Court case pending I assume.
El Guapo on November 22, 2007 at 12:37 AM
Whether you are right or wrong, when a cop pulls you over you say “yes sir”, “no sir”, be polite and do what he says. Don’t argue with him, that’s just stupid. If you are respectful chances are you will just get a warning anyway, but even if you do get a ticket you thank the officer, then show up in court to argue your case.
Again, whether you are right or wrong, chances are that you will not be charged for your ticket. The officer might not show up, and even if he does he won’t push the case against you, the judgment will likely favor you. I speak from experience here (too many tickets in my younger years.)
This guy had not learned to respect the law and use it to his advantage, and he paid for it. The officer might have been quick to pull the taser, but if I put myself in his position I would probably have done the same thing. There are just too many crazy people out there.
prototype on November 22, 2007 at 12:37 AM
So, let me get this right, are you really saying the cop should not have stopped this guy committing a crime so he could commit more?
Bomb Doctor on November 22, 2007 at 12:37 AM
First of all, that’s one of the primary reasons for possessing the legal photo I.D. before the summons is signed, it’s standard (and smart) practice to compare signatures on the summons and I.D. as a little bit of assurance that you weren’t “had” by a driver who might sign Donald Duck or I.P. Freely. You also have a valid identification in your possession in case you are rendered unable to function by your contact subject. God forbid that should happen, and it shouldn’t happen to an Officer who is alert and defensively astute, but I put my contact subject’s photo identification in my pocket while the subject can’t see me or when he isn’t isn’t looking. That way, if I’m rendered unconscious, my partners who will eventually come to my location to check my status will find that I.D. in my pocket and know who the bastard is that’s going to pay… in a court of law, of course.
Also, the signed summons is basically an “O.R.” (Own Recognizance release) since the subject’s refusal to sign his summons (read: Promise To Appear in Court) mandates an arrest and forthwith conveyance to a magistrate who demands bail (another form of O.R.) or locks the driver up for refiusal to sign a Promise to Appear to answer for the alleged violation of law.
The driver has the concrete right to request a trial by judge or commissioner, perhaps even a jury with a misdemeanor violation, and should avail themselves of that day in court if they feel they are wrongly summoned, but they have to follow the procedure that everyone else has to follow or they face any one or more of a multitude of consequences if they try to take the contact the hard-a$$ way.
SilverStar830 on November 22, 2007 at 12:38 AM
Heh. If he does, I’ll obey the officer and then see a lawyer, as the dope in the video should have done.
BTW. If Sammy316 is right about an officer simply noting a refusal to sign, then I hope this officer’s leaderhip will deal with just how badly he handled this situation.
cyrano on November 22, 2007 at 12:40 AM
Baldilocks, thanks for the Chris Rock vid, that’s hilarious!
Tony737 on November 22, 2007 at 12:41 AM
Actually, Bomb Doctor above made the point I would have…So it would be better to have a high-speed chase, possibly putting many lives in danger? Yeah, it’s the desert, but it’s a highway with a lot of car and trucks going by.
I don’t understand you line of thinking here…
JetBoy on November 22, 2007 at 12:41 AM
No one disagrees with you.
peacenprosperity on November 22, 2007 at 12:41 AM
Go watch the video again chief. The cop only told the driver that he would be ticketed if he did not pick up the litter. He never ORDERED the driver to do anything.
Your move.
Talon on November 22, 2007 at 12:42 AM
Okay, so what you’re saying is that a grainy internet video viewed on your computer monitor is the same as being THERE. Enough so that you can actually experience the body language, the eye contact, the hairs on the back of your neck starting to bristle as you instantly process information and nuance in the blink of an eye?
…like i said, he’ll be thrown to the lions becuase there are just too many people like you out there
SilverStar830 on November 22, 2007 at 12:42 AM
For the love of God (oops, sorry Allah), where the hell (oops, did it again) are you coming from?!
peacenprosperity on November 22, 2007 at 12:43 AM
I got an early parole.
MB4 on November 22, 2007 at 12:44 AM
I exaggerating, but think about this…., if the cop didn’t have a Tazer, but a Gun with bullets, would he have shop him?
The cop should have used better judgment instead of looking for an excuse to use his tazer.
Kini on November 22, 2007 at 12:44 AM
shop = shot
cripes!!
Kini on November 22, 2007 at 12:45 AM
Bomb Doctor NO! I dont think he is saying that. Depending onthe traffic, assume there are no other drivers or exits for miles, then perhaps i might let him go and resort to an APB persuit. That would yield bigger charges on the driver and live coverage on Fox News!
However, enforcement of the rules of engagement (military or law enforcement) is open to the discression of the person in charge at the scene. If he did not violate the SOPs, we will know soon enough.
But letting this guy go and risk other travelers, assuming he will speed even more to try to escape a cop car that is twice as fast as his SUV (moron), is apparantly a risk the office did not want to take.
El Guapo on November 22, 2007 at 12:45 AM
I once got out of a ticket by pulling over before the cop turned on his lights.
A buddy O’mine used to be a cop, he said one time he pulled over a guy doin’ like 95 in a 45 … the driver was a PRIEST! He said “Where ya going in such a hurry?”
“A funeral, I’m giving the service.”
Cop says “He’s DEAD! He’ll wait for ya!”
Tony737 on November 22, 2007 at 12:45 AM
I directly quoted the poster, even for you, it should be pretty obvious.
Bomb Doctor on November 22, 2007 at 12:46 AM
Talon on November 22, 2007 at 12:30 AM
Exactly right Talon.
I’ve had experience with speeding tickets in my day. I’ve probably accumulated some 30 or 35 or so from probably about 20 different states. Some officers were cool, some were in the wrong. Sometimes I was cool, sometimes I was belligerant.
But there has NEVER been a time when I thought that my speeding warranted a tasing by an officer.
The officer pulled over the guy. The guy would have been fine not ever having met the officer. The officer was the one that created the confrontation.
I also (in all my speeding tickets) have never known that not signing the ticket meant that you could be arrested. Most of my tickets were just given to me without even asking me to sign them. I have never heard that if you don’t sign the ticket when a cop asks you to, that’s grounds for arrest. . . never heard it.
The driver complied with everything the officer said. The only thing the driver did not do was sign a ticket that he still doesn’t know what it is for. He was never told how fast he was going (why?). He was told it was a 40 mph zone, but never how fast he was going.
I just watched the video again and am more upset about it now than the first time. I can’t believe that officer acted that way.
ThackerAgency on November 22, 2007 at 12:46 AM
The night is young.
We are all ears.
MB4 on November 22, 2007 at 12:46 AM
Escalation of force would not warrant a gun being pulled because the driver did not appear to have any leathal weapons. (remember, Tasers are classified as less-than-lethal)
El Guapo on November 22, 2007 at 12:47 AM
I’m saying that once he had run the guys information and knew he was just a dork he should have spent a little time explainingh to him that he had the right to appear in court and state his case or he should have told the guy he would be getting his copy in the mail along with his court date and to have a nice day.
peacenprosperity on November 22, 2007 at 12:47 AM
But the cop of course did have a gun…with bullets…AND a taser. He DID use good judgement…he used the taser instead of the gun, right?
The driver is the one who should have used better judgement. He had the taser gun pointed at him, he was told to stop, so he asked for it.
The officer is the authority figure here. Not the driver.
JetBoy on November 22, 2007 at 12:47 AM
And if the driver died of a heart attack because of the taz?
Kini on November 22, 2007 at 12:48 AM
I posted a link up the thread of a Georgia Police Officer getting murdered in exactly the same situation.
If you watch this video, the perp ignores the Officer and is reaching into his pocket as he does so.
Bomb Doctor on November 22, 2007 at 12:49 AM
I hope no one here is driving because me thinks there is some serious drinking going on.
peacenprosperity on November 22, 2007 at 12:49 AM
Not disputing that…., only the cops judgment.
Again, he’s got the drivers information….., is a autograph really necessary? Is a taz really necessary?
I’m not on the drivers side, he was wrong, but the cop is trained to deal with situations like this…. and he dealt it poorly
Kini on November 22, 2007 at 12:51 AM
The driver said we are going to look for that 40mph sign. He walks quickly behind the back of the officer with his right hand in his pocket. The officer said to turn around and put your hands behind your back. So far the officer is clearly doing his job. If you disagree so far, then you must be blatently ignorant of law enforcement.
The guy turns around and starts walking toward his car with one hand digging around in his pocket, and the other is down and out of sight also. He doesn’t stop. Officer’s only choice now is to let the guy get back in the car (to get gun for shootout, high-speed chase with wife in car, etc..) or to taze him. He tazes him.
The officer had no other options and acted appropriately for everyone involved.
On top of that, I feel the driver knew exactly what he was doing in baiting the officer.
nottakingsides on November 22, 2007 at 12:51 AM
Escalation then in the sublimest word in the English language. Must be careful young jedi.
Depends on your point-of-view. Thomas Jefferson would say the officer is belligerent who deserves to be bloodied so the tree of liberty could be refreshed.
TheEJS on November 22, 2007 at 12:51 AM
Here in Henrico County, Va. it is.
Cop gives an order, you should obey. Later, you can argue your case before a judge.
BacaDog on November 22, 2007 at 12:52 AM
If they are typing while drinking.. thats a whole nudder thread..
GoodBoy on November 22, 2007 at 12:53 AM
The cop was WRONG. The taser is one step short of deadly force, and clearly wasn’t called for in this situation. Cops assume a certain amount of risk, and this guy was clearly posing no risk at all.
Sign zee papers, or be tased? FU.
flipflop on November 22, 2007 at 12:53 AM
Indeed, and what if the pregnant wife had a gun…?
My point is…, for such a small infraction…. is it worth the escalation?
Kini on November 22, 2007 at 12:53 AM
heh…not to nitpick, but wasn’t that Thomas Paine?
JetBoy on November 22, 2007 at 12:55 AM
The people here who think the police officer acted inapprpriately think that he acted inappropriately from the beginning and his actions put him in the position of having to decide wether to pull the trigger. This debate is not about wether police officers have the right to protect themselves. Personally, I don’t think they protect themselves enough. This debate (from the position of those against this cop) is that he acted in an unprofessional and arrogant manner that allowed a routine stop to escalate to the point that he pulled a trigger.
peacenprosperity on November 22, 2007 at 12:56 AM
my bad…it was Jefferson.
JetBoy on November 22, 2007 at 12:56 AM
I don’t write the posts.
A higher authority does.
Kini on November 22, 2007 at 12:58 AM
So what WAS called for? For the officer to let the guy disobey a direct order, flout the law, and maybe even pull a gun?
JetBoy on November 22, 2007 at 12:58 AM
The question is, why are you against the police enforcing the law? It’s doubtful the Officer knew the woman was pregnant, but even if he did, does that justify the Officer letting the guy go? Think about it, if he runs, they have to chase and that puts both the husband and wife in jeopardy but also innocent drivers who happen to be on the same road.
Bomb Doctor on November 22, 2007 at 12:58 AM
We have had testimony here that in Utah, the scene of the incident, they note on the ticket that you refuse to sign and they send you on your way.
peacenprosperity on November 22, 2007 at 12:58 AM
Eloquently said!
Kini on November 22, 2007 at 1:00 AM
I already addressed that. He should have obeyed. The cop is not a psychic or a doctor knowing everyone’s medical conditions.
You are corect! Still do not argue with an officer. Apon furter review of the video there appears to be lack of poor judgement of the officer to explain to the driver what was going on. He did jump to “step out of the car”.
HOWEVER, I do not think this is a trigger happy rookie, but just a rookie mistake. unfortunate mistake, but not a trigger happy cop. I apologize. That is my judgement from me serving over seas on following ROEs and LOACs (Geneva).
However, the driver was still an idiot for asking what he was being ticketed for despite being told several times. I’ve been in that situation before(not knowing i was speeding, but i did not play dumb), and arguing with a cop will NEVER get you out of a ticket!
El Guapo on November 22, 2007 at 1:00 AM
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants~ Thomas Jackson
And as far as I know, Thomas Paine also was in Europe at the time of the Whiskey Rebellion in which TJ advocated for resistance vs the government (and subsequently led to the rise of the two party system).
TheEJS on November 22, 2007 at 1:00 AM
So now this is a court room?
Bomb Doctor on November 22, 2007 at 1:00 AM
Perhaps that’s right, but maybe that Trooper experienced something not seen or heard on the grainy internet video. You can’t see and hear everything while the driver is still seated in his vehicle as the Trooper contacts him with the traffic roaring by. The Trooper certainly kept cool and calm, even when he Taze’d the driver, but he must assume and maintain dominance and control during contacts. That’s one of the first things they pound into your head in the Academy, in conjunction with tempered control pounded in your head just as hard. It’s a little like teaching and learning acting, but it’s not an act if the contact trys to take that control away from an officer.
No matter though, because you the driver are responsible to know and are required to know traffic laws and procedures in order to legally possess a State driver’s license and to drive on public roadways. The tests they give at the DMV cover only a minscule part of the driver’s license training requirement. The driver’s handbooks covers the whole thing.
However, the officer is not required to coddle you and coaxe you into doing as he asks (or orders) during a lawful contact. It’s certainly appropriate when the opportunity presents itself, and I certainly appreciate the path of least resistance with my contacts (writing paper sucks!), but sometimes the contacted subject leaves little leeway for babying and warm fuzzys. Then the contact reaps what he sows as long as the officer stays within P&P.
SilverStar830 on November 22, 2007 at 1:01 AM
The “bottom line” here to me is that neither the “loud mouthed disrespectful dork” nor the “too quick on the draw” cop has the mental calm to be a cop.
Neither one.
MB4 on November 22, 2007 at 1:01 AM
Direct order? When did the “perp” enlist in the Utah Imperial Storm Troopers and fall under the command of Deputy Dawg?
flipflop on November 22, 2007 at 1:01 AM
Srry Jet, didn’t see your retraction.
TheEJS on November 22, 2007 at 1:01 AM
At least a conservative can admit on parts that he was wrong.
South Park is on. Time to escape reality and laugh for a bit. Be back soon. ??
El Guapo on November 22, 2007 at 1:01 AM
HOW IS GETTING A TICKET ‘FLOUTING THE LAW’? The cop should have said I’ll see you in court. I have all your information, I wrote you a ticket for speeding. Here is your court date.
He wasn’t flouting the law. He got a ticket.
ThackerAgency on November 22, 2007 at 1:02 AM
NO ONE has said don’t give him the ticket! NO ONE has said the cop shouldn’t do his job! Someone here has already said that in Utah if you refuse, they note it on the ticket and send you on your way. That’s probably up to the cop. This cop was dealing with a jerk. He had checked his info and new he wasn’t a wanted felon. He should have noted on the ticket he refused to sign and he should have sent the guy on his way.
peacenprosperity on November 22, 2007 at 1:03 AM
http://www.ldsmissions.com/us/index.php?action=missionary.profile&i=5365
That’s IT! I am sooo not voting for Mitt now!
/sarcasm off
GoodBoy on November 22, 2007 at 1:03 AM
I’m not against the police enforcing the law.
I for police using good judgment, and in this case there wasn’t any.
Does the ends justify the means? It’s a speeding ticket.
Kini on November 22, 2007 at 1:04 AM
I think we can all agree that South Park having such a short season is a shame since it’s the best show on TV. And if you don’t believe that, they have a word for your condition: it’s called french. Voulez-vous coucher avec moi ce soir people?
TheEJS on November 22, 2007 at 1:04 AM
yeah, Actually, that quote is one of my faves:
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants…it is it’s natural manure.
Truer words were never spoken.
Goodnight all. Have a great Turkey Day!
And if you’re out driving this holiday weekend, and you find yourself pulled over for speeding, take note of the video. And sign your ticket!
Peace out.
JetBoy on November 22, 2007 at 1:04 AM
Not true. I’ve gotten out of several.
ThackerAgency on November 22, 2007 at 1:05 AM
I lived in Utah for 7 years. I got two tickets during that time. In both cases I did what the officer said and didn’t get shot or tased. And while I was in Utah it was required to sign the ticket as receipt that you got it, not an admission of guilt.
Bomb Doctor on November 22, 2007 at 1:05 AM
I’m sorry, I respect your position, but it was pretty clear what was going on in the video. This wasn’t some dangerous criminal. Two jerks butted heads. It’s pretty clear that’s what happened. maybe the cop is a wonderful guy and has never had any problems but he did not handle this situation well( and that’s an understatement).
peacenprosperity on November 22, 2007 at 1:06 AM
Sure looking at the moment when the office has the tazzer pulled on him and the kid starts back to the car, the cop is on the horns of a dilemma. He cannot be sure the kid will not go back to the car to flee or worse. But why the heck are we even to that stage.
The kid should have obeyed, but the situation was already totally out of control as a result of the cops escalation. The kid never should have been forced out of his car.
If signing was not required to compel his attendance in traffic court, then the cop asking the kid to get out of the car was pure harassment plain and simple.
If refusing to sign the ticket was required to compel his attendance later and the alternative was being arrested, that should have been explained. “Look kid, signing is not an admission and if you don’t I have to arrest you.” He never told the kid signing wasn’t an admission. He never told the kid that the alternative was being arrested. He never told the kid he was arrested — UNTIL AFTER HE WAS TAZZED.
The kid was speeding (maybe) and disrespectful (definitely), but that alone should not get you tazzed. If it does, something is wrong.
tommylotto on November 22, 2007 at 1:07 AM
Don’t wook at me. I never nave moe dhan on din at a dime.
MB4 on November 22, 2007 at 1:07 AM
Watch the video I posted up the thread (sorry there is pr0n on it) but the video is exactly the same situation. Simply a guy pulled over for speeding and the cop died.
Bomb Doctor on November 22, 2007 at 1:07 AM
One too many arrests? …or just one, period.
LoL … and later on down the road, when you’re not enveloped by anonymity on the interweb while playing Johnny Badass, and you get pulled over or contacted by an officer in your real life, you’ll comply and be all “yes sir” and “no sir”.
By the way, the Taser is not “one step short of deadly force” any more or less than pepper spray, or a beaver-tail sap, or a straight stick is. It’s simply less-than-lethal force. As is every other physical option when effecting an arrest of a non-compliant subject. The only purely non-lethal use of force is verbal commands. But then, you’d probably counter that the driver could have been talked to death.
Ain’t that right tough guy?
SilverStar830 on November 22, 2007 at 1:09 AM
You just don’t get it and you never will.
peacenprosperity on November 22, 2007 at 1:10 AM
The kid could have had a gun too. He should have tased ‘em all!
MB4 on November 22, 2007 at 1:11 AM
I think the patrolman is burnt out. I am not a psychologist, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
infidel on November 22, 2007 at 1:12 AM
I have see that video and others like it. I have the highest respect for cops, I have family that are cops. Regretfully, things like that happen. It’s part of the job, unfortunately.
This cop put himself and other at risk for a stupid signature requirement. Maybe it’s time to ask if the laws arn’t stupid also.
Kini on November 22, 2007 at 1:15 AM
Copy Cat! :-) ( I posted it a little while ago.)
baldilocks on November 22, 2007 at 1:15 AM
Part of a cops training is to prepare for that.
What I saw in the video was an arrogant control freak.
Kini on November 22, 2007 at 1:17 AM
Give it up, Kini. Bomb Doctor isn’t even in the same debate.
peacenprosperity on November 22, 2007 at 1:17 AM
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