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Karim and Amar; Update: Disputed?

posted at 9:24 am on November 21, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Damien Cave, the author of the Times’s ballyhooed piece about increasing security in Baghdad, complained yesterday in a Q&A that bloggers were focusing too much on the improvements and not enough about what the next phase will look like, especially if Sadr decides to rejoin the fray. “A lot of people I talked to described the current moment as — in all likelihood, but hopefully not — the calm before another storm,” says Cave. Further to that point, take the time if you can spare it to read this long but fruitful report on the surge from the New Yorker. A passage describing an interview with Sunni tribal leader Sheikh Zaidan al-Awad:

Zaidan said that Anbar’s Sunni tribes no longer had any need to exact blood vengeance on U.S. forces. “We’ve already taken our revenge,” he said. “We’re the ones who’ve made them crawl on their stomachs, and now we’re the ones to pick them up.” He added, “Once Anbar is settled, we must take control of Baghdad, and we will.” There would have to be a lot more fighting before the capital was taken back from the Shiites, he said. “The Anbaris will take charge of the purge. What the whole world failed to do in Anbar, we have done overnight. Baghdad will be a lot easier.”

Many of the players in Iraq seemed, like Zaidan, to be positioning themselves for the next battle.

If you don’t have half an hour to devote to the piece, read the sections on Karim and Amar. The first one begins halfway down the page (“As it happened, an Iraqi whom I knew well…”), breaks off with the author requesting to meet Amar, and then resumes near the end (“Several days after I saw Um Jafaar…”). Amar, a Shiite who lives in Baghdad, was in a car with his brother and a friend when the Mahdi Army opened fire on them. He survived; the other two didn’t. I spoil the rest but it’s a case study in what happens to an honor/shame culture locked in a spiral of reprisals. Amar’s not a soldier; he’s not even an assassin. What he sounds like is a serial killer, but one whose motives aren’t entirely unsympathetic. If that’s possible.

At another part of the piece, the author, Jon Lee Anderson, writes, “In most of my conversations with the Iraqis working with the Americans, their true motivations struck me as unknowable.” David Ignatius touches on that same point today with an Arab acquaintance of his own, who says of the Sunnis’ rapprochement with America, “This will be known as the era of deception.” Meanwhile, after three months of security gains, U.S. public opinion is almost exactly what it was in August.

Update: Nibras Kazimi says Sheikh Zaidan al-Awad isn’t all he’s cracked up to be, and wonders how Karim and Amar plan to keep their secret identities concealed from the Mahdi Army now that the New Yorker’s revealed so much detail.


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Thanks for whizzing on my Cheerios this morning….

Sometimes it would be nice to just ENJOY the success, just for a little bit.

Dr. Gecko on November 21, 2007 at 9:30 AM

Isn’t Zaidan al-Awad in Jordan?

bnelson44 on November 21, 2007 at 9:44 AM

I’ll say it again: These people can “position” themselves all they want. The longer they stay quiet, the more it works to our advantage. People who see calm finally emerge will be unlikely to want chaos to return, regardless of whether it is driven by Shi’ites or Sunni – and local informers were the key to defeating AQI. And the Iraqi army is improving, so the longer “they” wait, the more of any subsequent fight that can be shouldered by Iraqis.

Clark1 on November 21, 2007 at 10:01 AM

OK, I read it again, he is in Jordan. But the quote that people love to quote:

Zaidan said that Anbar’s Sunni tribes no longer had any need to exact blood vengeance on U.S. forces. “We’ve already taken our revenge,” he said. “We’re the ones who’ve made them crawl on their stomachs, and now we’re the ones to pick them up.” He added, “Once Anbar is settled, we must take control of Baghdad, and we will.” There would have to be a lot more fighting before the capital was taken back from the Shiites, he said. “The Anbaris will take charge of the purge. What the whole world failed to do in Anbar, we have done overnight. Baghdad will be a lot easier.”

Couldn’t he have been referring to the events right before the calming of Baghdad, not something that is going to happen in the future? Couldn’t he be referring to JAM when he referred to “more fighting before the capital was taken back from the Shiites”?

If the interview occurred a couple of months ago, when Baghdad was still in the throws of JAM vs al-Qaeda fighting, I would be more inclined to think that is what he was referring to.

bnelson44 on November 21, 2007 at 10:03 AM

Meanwhile, after three months of security gains, U.S. public opinion is almost exactly what it was in August.

Give it a month or two. I think there is a lag with public opinion. When “good news” is the norm, not news, (which will be in a month or two,) then the public’s support will increase.

AlexB on November 21, 2007 at 10:20 AM

Now would be the time to get the hell out of Dodge.

Griz on November 21, 2007 at 10:21 AM

Give it a month or two. I think there is a lag with public opinion. When “good news” is the norm, not news, (which will be in a month or two,) then the public’s support will increase.

I think we all know that the good news only just began to come out in the MSM this week.

bnelson44 on November 21, 2007 at 10:27 AM

Now would be the time to get the hell out of Dodge.

Griz on November 21, 2007 at 10:21 AM

I suspect you might be right Griz. Unfortunately that could also prove to be a complete and total disaster. I sure hope the decider knows what he’s doing.

Zetterson on November 21, 2007 at 10:31 AM

At the close of the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia on September 18, 1787, a Mrs. Powel anxiously awaited the results, and as Benjamin Franklin emerged from the long task now finished, asked him directly: “Well Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?” “A republic if you can keep it” responded Franklin.

Same for Iraq I suppose.

JiangxiDad on November 21, 2007 at 10:34 AM

Ahh.
The Thanksgiving Holiday, Eee-yore style.

billy on November 21, 2007 at 10:41 AM

The problem may be that we face Islamic aggression and may have to respond very forcefully instead of our deluded attempts to give the savages a chance to establish democracy. As weird as it may sound to people on the left and on the George W right, our problem is simply that Islam is an evil religion that creates monsters–just like Nazism.

thuja on November 21, 2007 at 10:55 AM

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