Fred: I need to finish at least third in Iowa
posted at 3:31 pm on November 20, 2007 by Allahpundit
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He doesn’t spell out the consequences if he fails, but the implication is clear. Sorry to keep taking these trips down memory lane but how many of us imagined six months ago we’d be reading statements like this now, huh? Alternate headline: “Fred: I sure hope Ron Paul doesn’t beat me.”
In an interview with the NBC Sioux City affiliate, Thompson was asked, “You still have some ground to cover here in Iowa; polls show you fourth. Come Jan. 3, will you be happy to be in the top three or do you have to win Iowa?”
“Neither,” Thompson said. “I probably don’t have to win, but I have to do better than [fourth], and I’m planning on doing better than that. …We’re about where we need to be right now. We haven’t spent as much time out here. We didn’t get in the race as early as some others, but we’re going to make up for lost time.”
The Fredhead rallying cry on Jan. 2nd: “Better than fourth!” Which, incidentally, is where Fred stands right now, albeit just a few points behind Giuliani. Ironically, this may tempt Rudy to try to deliver a knockout blow by burning through a few extra dollars in the state, which would only benefit Mitt. Exit question: If you’re Rudy, do you go for the jugular or sit tight knowing that Mitt will probably outspend Fred into oblivion later anyway?
Update: One of Rudy’s big draws over Fred is his supposed greater electability. Here’s a poll result you should be hearing a lot about from the Thompson campaign, and with good reason:
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Here’s the good news for the GOP from that poll:
Hildebeast has lost her edge on all of them.
amerpundit on November 20, 2007 at 3:35 PM
republicans should cheer on hillary in 08. Obama is a bigger problem if he makes it through the primaries.
lorien1973 on November 20, 2007 at 3:39 PM
Obama is a total empty suit. Corn pone Fred wasted too much time appearing on Leno.
Hilts on November 20, 2007 at 3:42 PM
Wow. How inspiring.
thirteen28 on November 20, 2007 at 3:43 PM
Fixed that for ya.
lorien1973 on November 20, 2007 at 3:45 PM
At least he’s being realistic.
MadisonConservative on November 20, 2007 at 3:53 PM
The Revolution of Lowered Expectations.
How long before someone says: Well at least we didnt finish last, so we’re optimistic.
Always Right on November 20, 2007 at 3:55 PM
A major issue that Rudolfo was devoting his time to right before 9/11 was a New Yawk City ban on ferrets. All part of his demonstrated “Fear the Ferrets” great leadership.
MB4 on November 20, 2007 at 4:01 PM
Fred’s still my first choice. I don’t even have a second choice. No one else is inspiring. (Except maybe Hunter).
Rose on November 20, 2007 at 4:02 PM
I got a question- Where is Fred supposed to go to get fair treatment from the press?
Murdoch’s in the tank for Rudy ( and failing that Mitt- which scares me cause Murdoch wants open borders)
Just look at FOXnews, WSJ, Beltway Men, George Will- they’re all in the tank for Big Business/ Illegal labor. Then there’s Hannity (also a Murdoch emp.) right there with ‘em even though there’s NO PROOF that Guiliani is more electable.
EVEN you Allah and MM, who I thought fer sure would go with the REAL Conservatives (Fred or Hunter) instead seem to favor the the Open Borders Guys (Rudy,Mitt,Huckabee). And of course there’s Townhall- the official Mitt fan Club.
The ONLY fair treatment I’ve seen Fred get is Redstate. What Up? Why the RUSH to declare Fred toast? He’s Still No. 2 nationally.
Ex-tex on November 20, 2007 at 4:04 PM
Rudolfo - “If you come here and you work hard and you happen to be in an undocumented status, you’re one of the people who we want in this city. You’re somebody that we want to protect, and we want you to get out from under what is often a life of being a fugitive.”
He is the biggest shamnesty backer running in either party. No one else even comes close.
MB4 on November 20, 2007 at 4:05 PM
My thoughts exactly….
omnipotent on November 20, 2007 at 4:06 PM
I told a friend of mine who works on his campaign that conservatives are hungry for real solid conservative leadership. Fred built himself up as that leader and has completely failed to deliver.
We don’t want Obama-eque platitudes with a conservative spin.
bj1126 on November 20, 2007 at 4:06 PM
Rudolfo shills for samnesty
MB4 on November 20, 2007 at 4:10 PM
Iowa
South Carolina
Florida
That’s Fred’s path. He probably won’t win Iowa, but if he can be #2 or #3 with Romney, Huck and Fred all getting in the twenties, then he needs to go straight to South Carolina and bust his ass to do what he can to win there. If he does both of those, he’s got a shot in FL, and if he can win or come close to Rudy in FL, then he’s got a chance on Super Tuesday to be the “Not Rudy” candidate. Lot of “ifs,” but it’s not inconceivable.
Hopefully this piece by Larry Kudlow on Fred’s financial cred can put csdeven’s “What’s a Dollar” nickname to bed:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/11/the_new_fire_in_freds_belly.html
Dudley Smith on November 20, 2007 at 4:12 PM
::sigh::
Us, too.
::sigh::
tree hugging sister on November 20, 2007 at 4:13 PM
Interesting, but again - you can’t let any election thread go without spamming it with anti-Giuliani links. And you folks complain about tommylotto and csdeven?
Not to be too dismissive, but so what? There’s no national primary. Why can’t he translate this ‘national’ support into actual votes where it counts?
Slublog on November 20, 2007 at 4:20 PM
Tanc would be my second. As a poster above said…
::sigh::
MadisonConservative on November 20, 2007 at 4:20 PM
Giuliani is the epitome of everything which conservatives have detested in liberals - a draft dodging, amnesty backing, cross-dressing, illegal-immigrant supporting, abortion supporting, tax loving, gun grabbing liberal who voted for George McGovern and Mario Cuomo.
Why not just nominate Dennis Kucinich?
Oh that’s right, Kucinich didn’t dodge the draft, doesn’t cross-dress (at least that we know of anyway) and didn’t vote for Mario Cuomo.
With Rudolfo you get the whole package.
MB4 on November 20, 2007 at 4:20 PM
You can’t handle the truth.
- Nathan Jessup
Trying to have a rational debate with the Rudybots is like arguing with a “Truther” about what brought down the World Trade Towers. There is nothing you can say which has the slightest impact.
MB4 on November 20, 2007 at 4:24 PM
Comparing Giuliani supporters with Truthers?
Classy. You stay classy, Fredheads.
Slublog on November 20, 2007 at 4:26 PM
Uhm…
Honey? Looks like we can’t play that game tonight and still call ourselves conservatives!
MadisonConservative on November 20, 2007 at 4:26 PM
I am looking into my crystal ball. I see Fred’s future. Fourth in Iowa behind Mitt, Huck and Rudy. Sixth in N.H., behind even Ron Paul. Third in S.C. behind Rudy and Mitt. Then everything gets fuzzy, dark. Wait, the myst separates. I can see Fred in a rocking chair on his front porch in baggy pants and suspenders. He is smoking a cigar and sipping a mint julep. The kid is playing in a swing in the front yard. Jeri is behind him inside at a desk. She is writing checks on a PAC account full of campaign contributions to Fred’s sons, a drug dealer and Spencer Abraham…
tommylotto on November 20, 2007 at 4:42 PM
Let me try that again:
I am looking into my crystal ball. I see Fred’s future. Fourth in Iowa behind Mitt, Huck and Rudy. Sixth in N.H., behind even Ron Paul. Third in S.C. behind Rudy and Mitt. Then everything gets fuzzy, dark. Wait, the myst separates. I can see Fred in a rocking chair on his front porch in baggy pants and suspenders. He is smoking a cigar and sipping a mint julep. The kid is playing in a swing in the front yard. Jeri is behind him inside at a desk. She is writing checks on a PAC account full of campaign contributions to Fred’s sons, a drug dealer and Spencer Abraham…
tommylotto on November 20, 2007 at 4:47 PM
Looks like Fred’s going bye bye. Too late with too little, never did figure out if he was really conservative but I liked a lot of what he had to say. Neither Hunter nor Tancredo look like they have a chance to do it so we’ll be left with nanny state Huck, sanctuary city Rudy, or flip flop Mitt.
Might as well change my party to independent and stock up the bunker, my side’s already lost.
Buzzy on November 20, 2007 at 4:47 PM
Thank you so much for not only simply quoting from RCP.com for your supposed predictions, but posting it twice just so we know you’re basing your entire expectations off the poll statistics of one site. Really helps.
MadisonConservative on November 20, 2007 at 4:49 PM
I have been wondering about a few of those points myself. Giuliani gets all the press. The where is Fred comments are incredible. One look at his site and you know exactly where Fred is, on the campaign trail. Rudy panders enormously in the South and it is all over the place. While Fred gets zero coverage. C’mon man.
And Consrvative voices on the blogs and in the mainstream seem reluctant to choose a favorite in the primaries. This seems to not makes sense, especially in the blogosphere. Laura Ingraham does not come out and support Giuliani but serves him softballs and does not ask about his stance on illegal immigration and internal enforcement, when it does not take a mind reader to know he is planning to “end illegal immigration” as a pretext to amnesty. As vocal an opponent of amnesty as Laura Ingraham is, the question should have come up no?
Brian’s op-ed awhile back was the first opinion that highlighted the immense social negatives and direction that a Giuliani Presidency could do to the social fabric of the country.
It seems conservatives are willing to believe Giuliani despite his past behavior. We got stabbed in the back by neocon Bush, attemping to use identity politics to coopt the Hispanic vote following the Democrats succesful coopting of the Black vote in the late 60’s. A guy with this many red flags going into an electionseems like he would face alot more scrutiny and tough pointed questions. No Hyde Amendment questions, no questions about his laughable defense for federally funding abortions. No pointed questions about the neocons in his corner. No questions on assimilation, English as the national language, etc… It is as if conservatives are so scared of Hillary and have been hoodwinked into thinking the country really is going left, and we need Giuliani lest we get Hillary! Then his negatives something we can with…
Theworldisnotenough on November 20, 2007 at 4:53 PM
The MSM has already chosen Rudy as our nominee, they’ll settle for Mitt if they have to (and they will crucify him in the general election), but Rudy is their first choice. I have been trying to figure out why we Republicans seen to be so willing to hand the MSM what they want. I think a lot of bloggers on the right, and the Republican power brokers, are still laboring under the misguided notion that the party has to move to the center/left in order to win. It didn’t work out one year ago, and it won’t work out one year from now IMHO.
ChrisM on November 20, 2007 at 5:02 PM
I knew that 20 hours of lobbying would come back to haunt him. He should have never driven that red truck. He has spent all of his money on his son, paying him as a worthless consultant. He doesn’t have the energy, after being a male-whore for the past decade. His trophy wife has told him to slow down, and she runs the show. That’s what he gets for taking contributions, and uses them to support his worthless family. And he can’t act either.
Some of the Fred haters are getting ready for Thanksgiving and asked me to fill in.
Oh yeah and this, he spent his lawyer life defending abortionists, and murdering dictators, Fred is scum.
Hope I did well, the two or three that post here have said this enough.
What did I miss?
right2bright on November 20, 2007 at 5:03 PM
I missed this one, anyone who disagrees is a BIGOT.
right2bright on November 20, 2007 at 5:03 PM
The poll referenced above shows that Fred can beat Hillary. It would appear that he is not loosing momentum as fast as some of the posters here think he is.
Rose on November 20, 2007 at 5:04 PM
I forgot to mention that same site has Rudy up by 13 points nationally, tied in S.C., up by 4 points in Mitt’s Michigan, up by 17 in FL, up 7 in Nevada, up 17 in Penn, up 19 in delegate rich CA, and up 42 in Italian rich NJ. I know that the early primaries are suppose to give momentum, but the schedule is compacted, Super duper Tuesday is not that long after the early states, the delegates are going to be halved for the early states. Mitt is the only one who might get “momentum” if he can win Iowa, NH and SC. But that momentum is going to be difficult to develop in such a short period of time and will most likely be insufficient to reverse Rudy’s sizable leads in the large states on 2/5. Rudy will emerge on 2/6 with by far the most delegates and will seize whatever momentum Mitt might have had.
Barring a scandal, please introduce yourselves to President Giuliani.
tommylotto on November 20, 2007 at 5:04 PM
I missed the drug dealer, darn.
right2bright on November 20, 2007 at 5:05 PM
I guess I should have refreshed before I hit post.
What Theworldisnotenough said.
ChrisM on November 20, 2007 at 5:09 PM
Giuliani is a scandal.
Rose on November 20, 2007 at 5:10 PM
I’m still 100% for Fred.
If the GOP doesn’t nominate Fred (or Tanc, or Hunter), then I’m tearing up my Repub card, ’cause I’m sick of Rinos like Rudy, Mitt, and crackpots like Paul.
AZCON on November 20, 2007 at 5:11 PM
I’ve never made fun of the fake red truck. I’m more partial to the image of Fred chasing down toothless banjo playing moonshiners as US Attorney in Tennessee.
tommylotto on November 20, 2007 at 5:18 PM
Yep, now we’ve got a choice between Democrat and Democrats by another name who like war. Not much of a choice at all and apparently the Repubbies don’t need conservative votes to put their liberals into the WH or Congress these days.
We gave you guys your chance, voted twice for GWB just to keep Gore and Kerry out of the WH but this is even worse. Honestly we thought you guys would get the message back during the mid terms but apparently you forgot or most likely you never looked at the message at all.
Buzzy on November 20, 2007 at 5:39 PM
Then you’d better introduce yourself to President Clinton, because Rudy is probably the only candidate on either side with as many skeletons in the closet as Hillary- and she has a friendly MSM to cover for her.
Hollowpoint on November 20, 2007 at 5:43 PM
If we nominate Rudy we lose- in every way. And I fear the same with Romney.
Ex-tex on November 20, 2007 at 5:49 PM
Don’t respond to MB4’s crap. He’s the guy who wrote this:
Got that? He’s a troofer and we’re all part of the vast Rudybot conspiracy.
In other words, arguing with him is a waste of time and clogs up comment threads.
Splashman on November 20, 2007 at 5:50 PM
Did I mention that Rudy is now ahead of McCain in ARIZONA!!!!
tommylotto on November 20, 2007 at 5:59 PM
Honestly I’m surprised that Ron Paul isn’t ahead of McCain in Arizona. His ShAmnesty bit wasn’t the least bit popular there, even worse than McCain Feingold.
Buzzy on November 20, 2007 at 6:12 PM
There is a high probability that Iowa and NH will not have the sway they have enjoyed in the past. Also, Rudy’s support is capped in that anyone who would vote for a liberal Republican is already supporting him. That means whoever becomes the not-Rudy candidate has a good chance of taking the nomination.
So Fred’s real competition is Mitt. We have known that for a long time which is why the Mitt supporters have gone out of their way to slander Fred. We will see if Fred will win when super-Tuesday roles around because that is when those national numbers become important. Personally, I think a brokered convention will be fun.
Bill C on November 20, 2007 at 6:14 PM
Right there with ya- Bill C
It’s WAY too early to be shuttin’ down anybody. By Super Tuesday we may know WHO put out the anti-mormon calls! And all them nice photos of Rudy in dresses may make it out to the regular folks!
Things kin change on a dime!
Ex-tex on November 20, 2007 at 6:29 PM
That would be a good theory. Unfortunately, its not supported by the facts. Rudy is the most popular candidate among conservatives that did not select him as their first choice. That means that as other candidates drop out, more of their votes will go to Rudy than any other candidate. Not only is he not capped, he will get the lion share of those moving on to their second choice.
tommylotto on November 20, 2007 at 6:39 PM
Oh for Pete’s sake, you can see the Donald coping a feel of Rudy on You Tube. Everyone has seen it already. It demonstrates that Rudy has a sense of humor and is not gonna make up 17 point in Florida!!!
tommylotto on November 20, 2007 at 6:44 PM
“Dust Bunny” is clearly sitting in the weeds waiting to strike when the time is right. Of course Rudy and Mitt are oblivious to this and are running their campaigns as if “What’s a dollar?” doesn’t exist. THOSE FOOLS!!!! Fred will leap out of the weeds and TAA-DAA!!!! “Here I come, to save the day!!!!!”
Bwahahahahahahahahaa!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, and R2B, you forgot Fred gave legal advice to terrorists and lied about always being pro-life.
csdeven on November 20, 2007 at 6:47 PM
Why the rush to bury Fred by the media? Well that is EASY! They want Rudy, because they want Hillary to win.
Fred is WAY too Conservative for them.
I get the media trying to bury him, but Consevatives? He is what we asked for, a real Conservative, no BS, no spin, he is not a prototypical politician with scripted answers.
The man has offered more specifics, more plans than other candidates.
And what are many here doing? WHINING like some Liberal! He is not “exciting” I do not know if he has “fire in his belly”. He needs to be more animated, more energetic, blah, blah, and freaking blah!!
If you cannot get excited over a Conservative talking like a Conservative, then maybe you ought to check the FIRE IN YOUR BELLY!
Are we going to sell out to style over substance? Do you want a leader? A Conservative leader? Then stop parroting the media BS and check out Fred’s website, read and listen to his ideals, and plans for border security, the miitary, war on terror, social security, taxes, etc.
If you do not support him fine. But DAMNIT do not support him because of something substantive!
Gatordoug on November 20, 2007 at 6:50 PM
On “Special Report with Brit Hume” the round table just discussed what is happening to “What’s a dollar?”s campaign.
Fred is 6th in NH and has dropped 9 points nationally.
Fred Barnes; Wrong message
Nina Easton; Always knew the bubble would pop. He’s no Reagan. Audiences are BORED.
Krauthammer; Fred brought NOTHING to the table except “I’m not them”. Rudy and Mitt are hugely more qualified and Fred is an empty suit.
Bwahahahahahaha!!!!
Them dar weeds R mightee tall in Tennessee.
csdeven on November 20, 2007 at 6:56 PM
I don’t believe that everyone who doesn’t support Fred is a mindless robot marching to the MSM’s tune. For instance, I, little old csdeven, has been onto Fred’s BS facade since early summer. At that time the MSM had their lips firmly locked onto “Dust Bunny’s” rear end. So if anyone is any body’s parrot, it’s the MSM parroting what I have been saying about that frappin liar for months.
What can I say? They are just slow to the uptake.
csdeven on November 20, 2007 at 7:02 PM
Uh, huh. Hey, did you know Rudy wore a dress a few times?
Slublog on November 20, 2007 at 7:08 PM
Guess that fire in the belly was … well a little gas. But a year ago many were singing the praises of a Newt run. The only certain thing is that no one really knows.
He will make a great Attorney General or something though.
Bradky on November 20, 2007 at 7:22 PM
Thank you, Gatordoug, it would appear that Fred appeals to people who are looking at the choices in a rational manner.
Rose on November 20, 2007 at 7:24 PM
Yes, and I do not care. That is not an issue with me.
Gatordoug on November 20, 2007 at 7:26 PM
Thanks, I try.
Gatordoug on November 20, 2007 at 7:28 PM
Wow! That was a nice discussion about Fred for a while!
speed911 on November 20, 2007 at 7:33 PM
Hate to break it to ya tommy- but MOST voters ARE NOT You-tubbies. And NO everyone hasn’t seen it.
Ex-tex on November 20, 2007 at 7:37 PM
Funny how some people can catch onto Fred, but miss Mitt. Mitt doing the same thing. Putting his kids on the dole (only a few more than Fred), instead of a red truck, Mitts kids use an RV, instead of 20 hours of lobbying like Fred, he spent 20 hours holding hands with Craig. The difference is…Mitt has flip flopped on almost every major issue. And that will be his undoing, in the debates, when it gets down to just a couple, Mitt is the one supporting, now not supporting abortion ( he’s not pro-choice, “he’s multiple choice”)…not supporting, now supporting gun ownership, raising taxes, you caught me on that one he still would like to raise taxes (sorry, FEES), doesn’t support Bush’s tax policies, now he does. Our heads are spinning, when is Mitt going to settle down and really show us what he means…show us by action, it is too late for words.
Oh, and one more dirty secret, the one most don’t talk about, the one that involves Dems so they don’t talk about it. Mitt pays off his buddies with big contracts and bonuses…after they failed to deliver…that’s right the BIG DIG. It shows he is bi-partisan, both parties screwed the public on that one. That’s the way to work with the other side of the aisle.
right2bright on November 20, 2007 at 7:44 PM
Where do you get this “all” bit?
I don’t think that Rudybots even have enough independence of thought to develop a conspiracy.
MB4 on November 20, 2007 at 7:48 PM
Trying to bring the truth to the Rudybots is a lot like trying to convince the ringbats that Bush did not lie about the intelligence on WMD.
Reality simply bounces off them.
It’s not like a conspiracy, it’s like a cult, and Rudy is their Jim Jones.
MB4 on November 20, 2007 at 7:54 PM
Its a long long long way to the strange Iowa caucus
EricPWJohnson on November 20, 2007 at 8:51 PM
Yes, but some want to declare a winner now I guess.
Gatordoug on November 20, 2007 at 9:02 PM
I’m starting to like Hunter. The guy acts like he really wants to tackle the tough job.
DannoJyd on November 20, 2007 at 9:28 PM
A great asset to our Congress he is!
Gatordoug on November 20, 2007 at 9:37 PM
I wouldn’t write off Fred! just yet, stranger things have happened. For instance, John Kerry 4 years ago at this time was polling around 4% and he damn near pulled it off. There’s plenty of time for mishaps yet!
commonsensehoosier on November 20, 2007 at 10:41 PM
I like Fred on battling terrorism;
I like Fred on border security and immigration enforcement.
I feel like we can trust his judgement on judicial appointments.
I know we can’t have everything in a canidate, but right now those are my big issues.
It doesn’t bother me that he doesn’t do jumping jacks on stage, or windsurf on camera, or smear quail blood on his hands for photo-ops.
What does make me nervous is the way the media is shoving Giuliani down our throats like they can’t wait to get him on the ballot. If it were up to me to determine the Dem.nominee, I’d pick their easiest to beat, because I want them to lose… &LOSE HUGE.
Thompson/Tancredo’08(meBdreamin’)
christophercube on November 20, 2007 at 10:49 PM
First choice, Fred
Second choice, The Huckster
Go Fred. Imagine having an adult in the White House.
Mojave Mark on November 21, 2007 at 12:45 AM
Glad to see the comparisons of “Whats a dollar?” to Kerry. Very apropos. Both lying fakes who will never be president. One difference is that Kerry never gave legal advice to terrorists.
csdeven on November 21, 2007 at 2:13 AM
Fred’s new campaign slogan:
“I’m number 3, I’m number 3, vote for me, I’m number 3″
right2bright on November 21, 2007 at 11:31 AM
Don’t forget those other liars: Australia, Italy, Germany, Russia, Saudi Arabia (in fact all of the Arab states), France, Spain, England, Denmark, Sweden, and others.
All part of that vast every-wing conspiracy.
right2bright on November 21, 2007 at 11:38 AM
Fred spent 20 hours as a lobbyist, Mitt “held” Craig’s hand longer than that…what is more repulsive?
right2bright on November 21, 2007 at 11:44 AM
Well, Fred lied.
I cannot speak to Mitt, because it isn’t clear what the context of hand holding is.
csdeven on November 21, 2007 at 12:00 PM
Well, Mitt had to have heard the rumors about Craig. Apparently they were all over, is this how Mitt will pick his cabinet, ignore the rumors and not research them? So the question is, what did Mitt know, and when did he know it?
What I am using is the same techniques you use to come up with these silly notions about Fred. Fred has 20 hours of billing and you blow it up, will Mitt had Craig on his staff a lot longer, and for what real purpose…did they share common interests? Apparently they did, but how “deep” was that interest? Fred has a hottie wife, and you call Fred a male-whore.
Just throwing it in your face, you don’t like the obtuse references to Mitt, and others are tired of your ridiculous statements about Fred. If they are not ridiculous, then Mitt took his “sweet” time throwing Craig under the bus. He obviously got what he wanted from Craig…and I think you know what I mean by “GOT”.
right2bright on November 21, 2007 at 12:57 PM
Fred’s Campaign Slogan: “I’M A LIFETIME MEMBER OF THE NRA ! I WAS FOR GUN RIGHTS FOR CITIZENS AND I STILL AM AND I WILL APPOINT JUDGES TO THE SC THAT KNOW HOW TO READ!”
stenwin77 on November 21, 2007 at 1:09 PM
I still think that a lot of conservatives don’t know about Rudy’s record.
Bill C on November 21, 2007 at 2:18 PM
Right2Bright
As much as I like youre defending Fred, Mitt and Craig is a non issue - there is nothing there
Mitt has problems
Filing tax returns
Deciding what state he is a legal resident in
Appointing judges
Deciding when to use his faith to change/hide his “evolving” social stances (Huckabee does too)
The Craig thing is an act of kindness to a human being that probably did nothing wrong and had the world crash around him very very abruptly
that in my opinion is a big plus not a negative for Mitt to be one of the few that showed the man a little decency
EricPWJohnson on November 21, 2007 at 3:02 PM
Plus, his wife is a hideous monster spawned from the pits of Hell, some twisted, misshapen mix of Quasimodo and John Elway in drag.*
Two words for you, CSD: Ther-apy. Make it quick.
* Sarcasm alert. Focus, people. Or the terrorists win.
Professor Blather on November 21, 2007 at 3:14 PM
In response to the “I’m Just Fred” article…
A local law enforcement officer stops a car for traveling faster than the posted speed limit. Since he’s in a good mood that day he decides to give the poor fellow a break and write him out a warning instead of a ticket. So, he asks the man his name.
“Fred,” he replies.
“Fred what?” the officer asks.
“Just Fred,” the man responds.
When the officer presses him for a last name, the man tells him that he used to have a last name but lost it. The officer thinks he has a nutcase on his hands but plays along with it. “Tell me Fred, how did you lose your last name?”
The man replies, “It’s a long story so stay with me. I was born Fred Dingaling. I know, funny last name. The kids used to tease me all the time. So I stayed to myself. I studied hard and got good grades.
When I got older I realized that I wanted to be a doctor. I went through college, medical school, internship, residency, finally got my degree so I was Fred Dingaling, MD.
After a while I got bored being a doctor so I decided to go back to school. Dentistry was my dream. Got all the way through school, got my degree so I was now Fred Dingaling MD DDS.
Got bored doing dentistry so I started fooling around with my assistant. She gave me VD. So, I was Fred Dingaling MD DDS with VD.
Well, the ADA found out about the VD so they took away my DDS so I was Fred Dingaling MD with VD.
Then the AMA found out about the ADA taking away my DDS because of the VD, so they took away my MD leaving me as Fred Dingaling with VD.
Then the VD took away my dingaling so now I’m just Fred.”
The officer let him go without even a warning.
Mazztek on November 21, 2007 at 3:27 PM
You’re not throwing anything in my face. When you aren’t clear I ask what you meant.
You have explained what you meant and you are comparing apples to oranges.
1) Mitt HAD to have known? Prove that.
2) The record is clear that Fred was involved with an abortion clinic, terrorists, and a dictator. There is no questioning his willing involvement with those people.
csdeven on November 21, 2007 at 9:57 PM
I reposted my quote so you could read it and understand it better. See how it was an editorial, with an editorial question at the end?
You say the rumors weren’t bantered about the halls of congress?
Okay, he didn’t know, or didn’t check..how about this? Didn’t Mitt do a background check?, or yeah I already pondered that. You didn’t catch it. Mitt didn’t hear any rumors, is that like, I didn’t know the speed limit so you can’t give me a ticket, defense? It is Mitt’s job to not hire men like Craig.
But then, you don’t understand me stating this, in lieu of you twisting Fred’s record. You don’t get it.
This is you (on the other side)…Fred had relations with a dictator and a terrorist?…prove it, show me the billing records, mail me the records so I can see them. Just because he billed them doesn’t mean he defended them. It was an assistant, a clerk that handled it…prove it. Is his signature on every billing record? What exactly did they discuss, show me the transcripts? You don’t have the transcripts?…you’re a bigot.
right2bright on November 21, 2007 at 11:14 PM
Fred’s staff has admitted his involvement.
Mitt is not a Washington insider. How is he supposed to know what Craig’s habits were? AND even if Mitt knew Craig was gay, what’s the big deal? Do you expect Mitt to eschew a fellow rep because he’s gay? That’s gibotry. Being gay is not a crime ya know.
Mitt disavowed his relationship with Craig because Craig HIMSELF said he was guilty of sexual behavior in a public bathroom.
csdeven on November 22, 2007 at 12:18 AM
Not a single vote has been cast in any primary. If we are going to select a president on polls, why bother voting?
I am willing to wait and see where the votes land. I still predict an open convention, no winner on the first ballot. Deals made, positions in the nominee’s cabinet traded for support, etc. Call me an optimist, but I predict Rudy tanking in the south and west. Way too liberal for folks outside New England and the northern states.
Texas Nick 77 on November 22, 2007 at 5:19 AM
I think that is what you should have said. I suspect Ol’ Fred may do a bit better than the MSM, csd, and our resident attorney hope.
Texas Nick 77 on November 22, 2007 at 5:24 AM
LOL. Too funny for this thread.
Texas Nick 77 on November 22, 2007 at 5:49 AM
The main reason that Fred is getting so much bad press is that the MSM suspect that he can beat Ms Clinton. I’m sure that he can and that has the MSM tearing their hair out. This is just an “anybody but Fred” because then we might win gambit.
duff65 on November 22, 2007 at 4:14 PM
I learn something new on Hot Air every day.
RushBaby on November 22, 2007 at 7:12 PM
So what you’re saying is, The MSM is pushing Rudy because they know he can’t beat Hillary, and trying to demolish Fred because they know he can beat Hillary.
So, according to this logic, Huckabee and Romney’s increase in the polls means?
Sorry, this logic of “whatever the MSM says is a lie, therefore the truth is the opposite of what they say” is lame.
Fact is, Fred is the reason his campaign is tanking, not the MSM. Fred is a loser: he had better months 2 months before he came out with his lame “Security. Presperity. Freedom.” claptrap than 2 months after.
Just face the music Fredheads: the reason everyone is doubling over at the sound of Fraud!’s name is because they can’t stop the fits of laughter, not because they fear him.
BKennedy on November 22, 2007 at 10:40 PM
I tend to think the MSM is pushing Rudy just in case he does manage to win the general. They would be just as happy with a liberal Republican as a liberal democ rat.
Texas Nick 77 on November 23, 2007 at 3:47 AM
If Fred wants to finish at least third in Iowa, then he needs to actually campaign in Iowa.
With a population that is used to meeting candidates face to face in a small venue and asking their own questions, a few TV commercials aren’t going to cut it.
Fred, if you want to run, then actually RUN. Iowans are spoiled - they don’t want sound bites, they want specifics. They want to watch your body language as they ask those questions - they’re not just looking for the “right” answer, but they’re watching for sincerity, not a scripted 15 second clip.
Romney has practically lived here for the past few months - before the straw poll we were receiving almost daily calls.
BTW, one thing that people seem to overlook when discussing the Iowa Caucus/elections is that historically, Iowa’s voting record is very similar to that of the nation as a whole.
It’s neither a red state nor a blue state, though not racially diverse it is politically diverse and the population is very politically aware. I’ve only been here a few years, but even living in a very rural area. I’ve yet to meet anyone that fits the Iowa stereotype that seems to float around many blogs.
The state is a good guinea pig, folks, don’t dismiss it because of some preconceived notion.
Tink, A Cali refugee now living in Iowa.
Tink on November 23, 2007 at 10:04 PM
The political preference given to Iowa is absurd. It cannot be defended. Do not even try.
tommylotto on November 24, 2007 at 1:24 PM