This gives you the full experience of the sound, perfectly balanced for your listening enjoyment….

However, in terms of the politics, it’s just not that different.
I like Mitt… but this issue kills the deal.

Oh BS. He simply takes a contrarian position, sprinkles in pseudo intellectualism and presto, people think he is a genius. So he is right about jihadism, big deal.

Exactly. Hitch is a bore of suprisingly little brain.

Hitch hitched his name and support to all of the leftist cause celebres of the 1970’s. He was (and still is) a fawning Palestinian apologist and remains an unreconstructed Trotskyite. He viewed America’s involvement in Vietnam as a “colonialist” enterprise. That’s deliciously ironic since the North Vietnamese proved to be the empire builders in southeast Asia, conquering or bullying all of their neighbors into submission. His personal crusade against General Augusto Pinochet is ironic as well since he has publically supported far more hideous governments and individuals.

Christopher Hitchens, with an entire bottle of Glenfiddich in his system, is smarter than any 20 people you can pull off the street. Let’s not resort to ad honinem attacks here. That sort of thing belongs to the libtards. And his point about Romney’s Mormonism is correct.

The garden of Eden in Missouri? Show me!

thejackal on November 20, 2007 at 10:28 AM

Depends, is that street 1st Street in Washington DC (Capitol building)?

Otherwise Chris Hitchens is simply more arrogant and self-absorbed than any 20 people you pull off the street, who sounds like a briliant man but is merely a very angry faux intellectual.

Christopher Hitchens, with an entire bottle of Glenfiddich in his system, is smarter than any 20 people you can pull off the street.

Oh BS. He simply takes a contrarian position, sprinkles in pseudo intellectualism and presto, people think he is a genius. So he is right about jihadism, big deal.
And like all of us he only becomes more intelligent when he does drink the Glenfiddich. (Or when I do)

silverfox on November 20, 2007 at 7:03 AM

False.

To be a member, one must be baptized. ‘Black’ people could be baptized before 1978 and, therefore, could be members of the L.D.S. church. They could also serve in the church, as do/can all members. The one thing denied black members of the church before Spencer Kimball’s revelation in 1978 was ordination to the priesthood.

The year for which you’re looking is 1978.

You should check your sources.

Too much Glenfiddich this morning.

The garden of Eden in Missouri? Show me!

Is there a witness out there who can say that Mitt bought the racist line from his church? Is it possible that Mitt himself actually held racist beliefs?

So much for Rove’s advice for the GOP to reach out to minorities more… this would set it back decades.

If the Dems can’t find a witness, they’ll make one.

Even if it’s one of Allah’s robots.

Romney’s faith is fair for discussion but I’ve still got to wonder why it is singled out in ways that no other candidate’s faith comes under scrutiny. THERE IS A HUGE DOUBLE STANDARD HERE AND SHAME ON ALL THE BIGOTS WHO ARE FURTHERING IT!

highhopes on November 19, 2007 at 9:32 PM

Look you all,

Hitch is viscerally anti-religion… no question. However, he was not in atheist mode in this interview with Cavuto. He made a major point that no one here has adressed. (If I’m wrong, sorry I missed you.)

I’ve been open to Mitt. I like him. But I have known this fact and Hitch just reminded me.

The Mormon Church was racist. Now mind you, not raaaaaaaacist. Just simply racist. Until 1979.
You could not be a member of the church if you were black. They sure liked ya, by golly, but you could NOT BE a member.

Now Mitt was a young man, in the late 60’s, an enthusiastic missionary for a racist church. What did he do when confronted with a dark-skinned Frenchman? He couldn’t proselytize him! Did he try anyway? Any stories there?
From Mitt, so far: nothing!

What is gonna happen if Mitt gets the nomination? This will be a major issue fo sho!
It will definitely be asked about at the debate.
As an adult, what did he think of his church’s racist policies? The policy was changed when the 12 elders in Salt Lake City had a “revelation.” What kind of process is that? And why didn’t it happen like, a 100 years ago?

You guys have missed the big issue… this is HUGE.

I don’t think Hitch was thinking religion, here. He knows that a Democrat president would be disastrous. He wants a Republican president, for the GWOT, to fight the good fight. He’s worried that Romney gets the Republican nod, because he can’t win.
Even if he could win, he could not govern well, as President of ALL Americans, because his religion’s recent history TOTALLY disqualifies him.

Again, Hitch isn’t being atheist here.

It’s the War on Terror, stupid.

very true. now, vituperation aside, why does it seem clear to me that religiosity and the over-eagerness to weild state power corelate so closely in the current dominant politics of the right?

Because you’re making associations in your mind between two things you don’t like (religiousity and excessive State power). Is it really likely that say increased spending on federally mandanted bicycle helmets stems from a messianic urge?

am i just nuts?

I don’t know. Ask your therapist.

JiangxiDad on November 19, 2007 at 7:27 PM

God Bless you!!

There are many written works you could look at for primers… hm ..read some Plato or Aquinas to start. (niche, voltaire,)

Look around and read some things without making such anti thinking comments… and you know who I’m talking to.

amend2 on November 20, 2007 at 12:40 AM

God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh.
- Voltaire

OR don’t be so conservative that your too stubborn to understand the other side/ or under side of anti-religious thought.

There are many written works you could look at for primers… hm ..read some Plato or Aquinas to start. (niche, voltaire,)

Look around and read some things without making such anti thinking comments… and you know who I’m talking to.

Lots of reasons to stay Catholic. Even allowing for doubts, there is an elaborate beauty to the Catholic church that is remarkable even in the face of uncertainty.

dedalus on November 20, 2007 at 12:20 AM

Very true, and a big part of why I stay. I’ve just kinda entered a rough spot in my religious life.

MB4 on November 20, 2007 at 12:19 AM

That doesn’t mean Jefferson rejects a Creative force. I’ve never heard of him declaring there was no Creator, just that no faith held absolute truth, which I appreciate.

Of course there is, I’m amazed I stay Catholic and don’t go Deist.

Lots of reasons to stay Catholic. Even allowing for doubts, there is an elaborate beauty to the Catholic church that is remarkable even in the face of uncertainty.

Maybe, but he wasn’t an anti-theist like Hitch. Jefferson was a Deist AFAIK.

Bad Candy on November 19, 2007 at 11:58 PM

I have examined all the known superstitions of the world and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology.
- Thomas Jefferson

Not saying you are doing that, just being clear.
Spirit of 1776 on November 20, 2007 at 12:07 AM

No problem. I’m following a technical line of discussion, not in search of an outcome.

I think there is a difference between a deist and an atheist.

Of course there is, I’m amazed I stay Catholic and don’t go Deist.

I’m just turned off by unjustified hostility to religious or non-religious simply because of their personal religious life.

Agreed. I think there is a difference between a deist and an atheist. I think religion, especially Christianity, is a force for good.

I think a deist is anti-theist, but maybe that’s subject to interpretation.

dedalus on November 20, 2007 at 12:02 AM

In a technical sense, but I’m talking as an attitude, he wasn’t belligerent in his behavior like Hitch.

I’m just turned off by unjustified hostility to religious or non-religious simply because of their personal religious life.

I think a deist is anti-theist, but maybe that’s subject to interpretation.

Jefferson was not an anti-theist. Not to be argumentative, just for the record. He, with a handful of other great men, get the mind of the common man projected on to him and interpreted through those prisms instead of taken as they were. Not saying you are doing that, just being clear.