THIS IS GOOD NEWS FOR POATRIOTS AND LOVERS OF DEMOCRACY AND LIBERTY: BREITBART/AFP : — "Things…

I have no doubt.

What we are seeing is a new war theory in the womb. All out war in WWII was scaled back for Vietnam and Korea. Broad peacetime deployments in around the world are losing flavor.

The success in Afghanistan and early actions in Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom have developed a new mind set. Strong incursions, devastate the enemy, then leave ‘em begging.

This may be something we will see in Darfur, regardless of who the next President is. What they are still trying to work out is the humanitarian aid and rebuilding blitz. This part moves way too slowly.

Which is to say, why not root for victory at this point? The left has won the foreign policy debate. Why not hope America wins the war too?

Allahpundit

Amen brother. Amen.

By election time next year the news of victory will be impossible to ignore, right in the middle of the presidential campaign. The more the lefties believe in defeat, the more stupid things they’ll say, and the more crow they will need to eat in the presidential debates and campaign trail. This is the golden opportunity that comes but few times to show that the liberals are stupid, the media are liars, and to win the presidency again. That’s a trifecta, baby.

My fondest dream is to have Hillary droning on about the quagmire in Iraq at the Democratic Convention while the Baghdadis are having a victory parade down their main street with bands playing, giving a big bouquet of thanks to General Petraeus. I want to see that on a split screen on Fox News.

And just because Bush has backed down from the Bush Doctrine doesn’t mean the Bush Doctrine has been proven wrong by the opposition – it only means he has backed down (for reasons still inexplicable).

It’s inapplicable to Muslim-majority countries as we all now know that Muslims believe Mohammed received a mandate from heaven to rule in the one true political system that is pleasing to Allah: sharia. If you want genuine democracy you have to do what Kemal Ataturk did, suppress and constrain Islam.

If they won, if they elected a president or member of Congress to ban abortion, impose school prayer as mandatory, or instill the teaching of Creationism, that would be the end of it. They would regret their victory forever because it would lead to colossal failure and discredit them. It wouldn’t last very long and would, I hope, lead to civil war, which they will lose, but for which it would be a great pleasure to take part. But they’re so stupid, they don’t think about these things. Likewise, any society conquered by the jihadist will destroy itself.

That is a pretty disturbing statement. Its the Trotskyist strain in Hitchens’ mentality coming to the fore. I doubt whether he’d be able to foment an actual civil war though. The Hitler comparison is too extreme.

The fact is, the MSM and the Democratic Party wants America to lose the war in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

The anti-neocons are the paleocons. Pat Buchanan, certain Ron Paul supporters, other Libertarians, etc. Their goal is to discredit neoconservative foreign policy, not the liberal left.

The Dolchstosslegende.

America’s lost too much blood and treasure in Iraq, and Bush has retreated too far from his democracy exportation plan, to make neoconservatism palatable going forward, especially vis-a-vis countries like Iran and Pakistan that would be much tougher nuts to crack than even Iraq was. Which is to say, why not root for victory at this point? The left has won the foreign policy debate.

Oh RLY, tell that to Hillary and Obama.

The fact is, the MSM and the Democratic Party wants America to lose the war in both Iraq and Afghanistan. BTW, the left has NOT won the foreign policy debate.

No, I have nothing else to add. Except maybe that I find the comparison so mind numbingly stupid that I’m wondering how it can be made without actually laughing.

How does it “destroy my argument” that Hitchens wants to kill conserative Christians? Please explain, I can’t wait.

Because even if he was Chuck Manson with a bloody knife in his hand, if he’s got a point, he’s got a point. Your contention amounts to asserting that because he is unkind to fundamentalists, he is incapable of coherent thought or articulate discussion.

Let’s turn this around, your argument indicates that Christopher Hitchens is to be ignored because the Westboro Baptist Church is without sin. If we bar consideration to those with murderous thoughts regarding Rev. Phelps, who gets to speak? Aren’t the idiots of WBC conservative Christians? Don’t they inspire murderous intent in reasonable people?

You apparently disregarded the first words of my post because acknowledging them destroys your argument, I said he has a point.

Patrick_Lasswell on November 19, 2007 at 1:49 PM

How does it “destroy my argument” that Hitchens wants to kill conserative Christians? Please explain, I can’t wait.

I find it difficult to have a serious conversation about anything with somebody who hangs that king of moniker on themselves, but discussing matters of life and death is absurd.

You apparently disregarded the first words of my post because acknowledging them destroys your argument, I said he has a point. I did not say he had a Koran, or a religious epiphany that we must follow with fundamentalist fervor. I said he had a point.

Some of us are trying to have a discussion, not operate a madrassa. Why don’t you step down off the plinth and talk about things instead of pontificating in absolutes about a relative matter?

No, you didn’t.

Yes I did. Here it is again (not for your benefit, you’ve obviously decided to back a potential murderer and obvious nutbag to your grave, but for the benefit of people who might not have read the entire thread and think you have some valid point):

Hitchens:

If they won, if they elected a president or member of
Congress to ban abortion, impose school prayer as mandatory, or instill the teaching of Creationism, that would be the end of it.

In this section Hitchens outlines the things that the Christian right has to do to get him to hope there’s a civil war. You will note the word “or” that I bolded. This implies that any one of these will do, completely annihilating the arguments of the illiterates who think Hitchens wants a civil war only against those who want to set up a “theocracy”.

They would regret their victory forever because it would lead to colossal failure and discredit them. It wouldn’t last very long and would, I hope, lead to civil war, which they will lose, but for which it would be a great pleasure to take part.

Here is the grand finale. Note how colossal failure and discredit isn’t enough for Hitchens, he also HOPES it would lead to civil war (as opposed to people exercising their democratic right to vote such people out of power, or bring forth massive protest against such an “oppressive” regime), and furtherwmore states he would take great pleasure from partaking in such a civil war against anyone who supports even one of the issues he listed. So if you’re pro life and want to ban abortion, Hitler Hitchens would take great pleasure in helping to kill you. This is the writing “peski” finds “thought provoking”. And then he has the audacity to complain about me questioning whether he wants to kill Conservative Christians too. Where would I get such a crazy idea from?

Some new info, according to you now we are also:

We’re Pathetic
We’re Hitchens worshippers
If we don’t agree that he is worse than Hitler, we’re “defending” him, and implicitly want to kill conservative Christians just as he does.

Yes, you are clearly a paragon of reasonable discussion.

peski on November 19, 2007 at 1:29 PM

Sounds fair to me.

Bin Ladenism in Iraq has been dealt a stinging defeat. Surely this is something to celebrate.

Indeed. And it’s Thanksgiving week. Love this American custom.

but the dank and sinister impression they give that the worse the tidings, the better they would be pleased. The latter mentality isn’t pardonable and ought not to be pardoned, either.

Worry not, Mr. Hitchens – it won’t be pardoned. The American populace is gullible only to a point.

The left has won the foreign policy debate. Why not hope America wins the war too?

Assuming that you meant “foreign policy on Iraq”, and they haven’t won that either. To the question at the end of your quote – because they don’t believe in American nationalism.

They believe in:

- one world
- no more borders and nations
- most decisions to be made at the U.N. and in Brussels
- political correctness
- internationalism
- elitism
- socialism, and not democracy
- fooling the masses, making them dependent so they’ll vote for them, forever – subjugation in my view

To them it is coloquial to wish for America to win anything.

I provided a direct quote where Hitchens unambiguously states he wants to kill Conservative Christians

No, you didn’t. And no, I didn’t, although I often agree with him and find his writing extremely thought provoking. Your writing on the other hand, I find find to be rather disturbing.

Some new info, according to you now we are also:

We’re Pathetic
We’re Hitchens worshippers
If we don’t agree that he is worse than Hitler, we’re “defending” him, and implicitly want to kill conservative Christians just as he does.

Yes, you are clearly a paragon of reasonable discussion.

jp on November 19, 2007 at 1:19 PM

I don’t know? They seem to have world opinion on their side. I don’t see any allies lining up to help bring Democracy to IRAN and SYRIA.

The only people Hitch wants to kill are Islamic Jihadist.

TheSitRep on November 19, 2007 at 1:16 PM

I provided a direct quote by Hitchens that says otherwise. At this point, I can assume one of three things:

1. You’re blind to the obvious truth and nothing I say or do can change what an illogical mind refuses to accept.
2. You know it isn’t true but choose to lie like a Romanian politician in the middle of an election campaign.
3. You have some brilliant argument against the obvious quote that I have yet to think of.

I think they have for the time being although, I don’t believe they are correct. The global struggle has just begun however and I predict we will look back at this time as the calm before the storm…

ronsfi on November 19, 2007 at 12:46 PM

If the Left won, why is Barak Obama campaigning as a Neo-Con?

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2007/11/019047.php

Darth Executor on November 19, 2007 at 1:00 PM

The only people Hitch wants to kill are Islamic Jihadist.
And as a non-believing “crusader” I too want this.

I support freedom of religion and non-religion.
Any one who does not support this idea set forth in our constitution
Should be immediately deported.

Well done; no debate required to further discredit you.

Jaibones on November 19, 2007 at 1:07 PM

Thank you for your reasoned counterargument to my providing a direct quote from Hitchens to back up my support. I now bow to you and admit defeat before your unbeatable intellectual juggernaut. Not. Do you want to kill conservative Christians just like Hitchens does too, jaibones? Is that why you’re defending him? You guys are pathetic. I pretty much wiped the floor with all the Hitchens worshippers, but it seems you’d rather call me stupid, pretend you somehow won, or that you don’t have to deal with me rather than admit the obvious: you were wrong.

peski on November 19, 2007 at 1:06 PM

I provided a direct quote where Hitchens unambiguously states he wants to kill Conservative Christians. You defend him. I don’t think medicine is enough to help you.