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Redacted draws more fire

posted at 9:30 am on November 17, 2007 by Bryan
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By The Politico.

O’Reilly isn’t the only one calling for filmgoers to bypass the picture. A website has been launched by a blogger known as “The Bashman,” and spirited opposition has come from other conservative blogs (Gathering of Eagles, Free Republic) as well as The Band of Mothers founder Beverly Perlson, radio host and Fox contributor Dennis Miller, movie agent turned documentarian Pat Dollard, Vets for Freedom executive director Pete Hegseth, and others.

According to Dollard, whose Iraq series “Young Americans” premieres on Showtime next April, pickets and other protests will take place outside of “Redacted” theaters beginning tonight.

But the real action will take place at upcoming Dallas Mavericks events, including a home game in Texas on November 30th and a Chicago game December 3rd.

“It’s all about punishment,” says Dollard, who saw the film and calls it “treasonous” for spotlighting “the most nefarious incident” in the Iraq war. “Mark Cuban is going to feel more pain because of this, and deservedly so.”

Of course, Dollard realizes he’s helping draw attention to a film that otherwise might have just died at the box-office. “We feel it’s better to make a statement, and not let it go unspoken,” he says.

I definitely have mixed feelings on drawing much attention to Redacted. It’s not the kind of film that most people will want to see, but on the other hand it’s crucial to drive home the fact that De Palma sensationalized the story to the point that it’s war porn and that the story itself is not at all representative of how our military behaves in Iraq. It’s the Baghdad Diarist on steroids, at least in terms of its storytelling. But factor in that most people around the world get their “history” from film and media nowadays and the need to counter films like Redacted and publicly criticize Mark Cuban and Brian De Palma for making such films is obvious. But go too far with the criticism and you run the risk of doing what the ADL did with The Passion of the Christ, and turn what otherwise probably would have been a flop into a hit. Hopefully that won’t happen in this case. But having gone to battle against Michael Moore a few years ago in my own small way, I certainly understand the drive to make sure that the Brian De Palmas and Mark Cubans of the world don’t get the last word.

Fortunately, they won’t, and Pat Dollard is one major reason why. The good news in all of that quoted above is that Dollard’s documentary series will finally see the light of day on Showtime. Pat embedded with Marines in Iraq, found himself in battles in the Triangle of Death, was wounded, and brought back a trove of footage. He recently told me that a couple of major moguls have signed on to back the project and that it will get its Showtime run. So there will be a counter to Redacted next spring.


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I’m not usually into boycotts, but this makes me so angry. I will encourage every Mavericks fan I know to abandon the team. On TV, home games, away games, you name it. Anything associated with Mark Cuban doesn’t exist to me. What a jerk.

Ordinary1 on November 17, 2007 at 9:43 AM

i will not see this abomination, but it shows the lengths to which the un-American elements here will promote a untrue point-of-view.

madmonkphotog on November 17, 2007 at 9:43 AM

People can discern the difference between Passion for the Christ, and the raping of a girl movie.

Yes they do give Redacted publicity, but it is extreme negative. Give more credit to people, pundits always think they know better then the general public. The out cry (or lack of) will be shown by the support of the critics. Cuban will find out it is not just O’R who is upset, he will feel the heat like he has never felt it before.
Did he think that the only vets he was offending were a dozen thugs in Iran? Does he think people are so stupid that they don’t realize that out of 200,000 people, you are going to find a dozen animals? And he doesn’t think the general public loves and supports the military? He is going to end up being another Jane Fonda…and his Hollywood “friends” are going to abandon him. They aren’t going to touch this with a 30′ jumper.
He can’t dance his way out of this.

right2bright on November 17, 2007 at 9:45 AM

I can not support and will not watch movies that tear down or besmirch our great nation.

I can’t wait to see Young Americans and Indoctrinate U.

The movies at http://onthefencefilms.com/
are awesome.

TheSitRep on November 17, 2007 at 9:48 AM

I am stoked, STOKED, to see “Young Americans.” All of the footage he’s posted so far has been outSTANDING. Pat is a TRUE maverick in Hollywood, the kind of person who puts his ass where his mouth is (you know, DePalma, he was actually THERE), and tells the truth (something DePalma knows nothing about).

“Young Americans” is going to open a LOT of eyes.

otcconan on November 17, 2007 at 9:48 AM

It’s not the kind of film that most people will want to see…

Exactly. And you’re right that the point needs to be made that this IS a mostly fictional account, based loosly on an actual event. In this country, the movie simply “preaches to the choir” anyway.

How do DePalma and Cuban sleep at night? There’s no doubt that FDR would have had them jailed.

JetBoy on November 17, 2007 at 9:50 AM

Three anti war movies have died a death of non attendance.

Now the right is giving this thing all sorts of free publicity and then you are going to wonder why did the left go to see this thing just to poke you in the eye.

CommentGuy on November 17, 2007 at 9:50 AM

Pat Dollard is doing great work. I first learned of him by reading an article in Maxim. I wish his documentary would be made available to those who don’t have Showtime, everybody needs to see it. You can see clips of it on Pat’s website.

Tony737 on November 17, 2007 at 9:51 AM

You also gotta read the WSJ review. Actually, here it is:

“Brian De Palma’s “Redacted” argues that the horrors of the Iraq war are being kept from us by inept or venal news media and the government’s propaganda machine. That’s a tenable premise for a provocative documentary; the horrors of every war elude description, and Mr. De Palma is clearly desperate to get a purchase on the chaotic nature of this one. But his film isn’t a documentary. It’s a work of propaganda in its turn, a digitally photographed meditation on our media-saturated age in which our men in uniform, like the news crews that cover them, create their own realities by shooting digital video of their exploits. The film’s core is a speculative and utterly unconvincing reconstruction of an incident that reportedly involved, among many horrors, the rape and savage killing of a 14-year-old Iraqi girl by members of a U.S. army squad. The Americans are portrayed with varying degrees of loathsomeness, but there’s not much variety in the film. It’s all an awful aberration.”

BOOM.

Good Lt on November 17, 2007 at 9:53 AM

Dollard’s documentary needs to come out now … not “next spring” … so that it can be the immediate antidote to De Palmas’ evil sickness.

As a slight side note: did you see O’Reily last night where a clown lawyer from Cambridge said the Scout’s attempt to gather troop care packages at polling places was a political statement for the war? I’ve wondered how long it would take before the left started taking sick pride in spitting on soldiers. We’re here. No more “We support the troops but not the war.”

Rod on November 17, 2007 at 9:55 AM

I went to see Passion of the Christ. not because I am a Christian but as an anti-boycott statement. I wanted my dollars to count in the Christian column of the ledger.

I’d imagine there are some America haters that can’t wait to support redacted, but I bet it will be a lot less in number than the people that supported Mel’s move.

TheSitRep on November 17, 2007 at 9:55 AM

It should be appointed out that Brian DePalma has not had a successful movie in many years. I think he did “The Untouchables” about 25 years ago which was a hit but everything he touches flops miserably. Recall that he directed the dreadful “Bonfire of the Vanities” which turned Tom Wolfe’s acid treatment of political correctness and racial hustling of the early Al Sharpton into a liberal, feel good movie. And audiences stayed away in droves. And his movie “Casualties of War” in which a group of American soldiers in VietNam viciously rape an innocent and sweet VietNamese girl and then lie about it failed miserably. DePalma can flop all by himself. Rendition bombed without a protest movement. Lambs to Lions flopped without a protest. Let DePalma’s turkey go straight to video without giving him the publicity he craves.

Larraby on November 17, 2007 at 10:01 AM

How do DePalma and Cuban sleep at night?

My sister-in-law, a government lawyer for the NLRB, is as dumb as a stump. It took her years, and years, and years to get all the lines right to sound like a modern Manhattan liberal. She hasn’t the slightest idea about politics or the world around her–she’s primarily interested in cats. She tried and tried and tried to learn how to be a liberal so that finally she would fit in and be accepted by those around her as one of the cool hip people. There’s no way at this point that she’s going to admit that she studied a load of sh*t, that it’s all wrong, that she joined the wrong club, memorized the wrong part, bet on the wrong horse, made the wrong friends. It took her too long to get where she is. It was hard, because she is deeply dumb…

That’s what Mark Cuban and the Hollywood folks are like–Whoopie, Joy Behar, Spicoli, etc. They’re so dumb, and worked so hard for so long to get it right. They can’t quit now. They don’t have the time or energy to learn something new. They’d rather go down with the ship.

JiangxiDad on November 17, 2007 at 10:02 AM

TheSitRep on November 17, 2007 at 9:55 AM

I don’t think the crazy left spends their own money on anything like this. They will probably just request government funding for a Redacted museum.

jjjen on November 17, 2007 at 10:04 AM

Working at a job as boring as being an NLRB lawyer (National Labor Relations Board) the question isn’t how she can sleep at night. The question is: how can she avoid sleep during the day? LOL.

Larraby on November 17, 2007 at 10:04 AM

I am not into protests nor boycotts. What I am into in not giving my hard earned money to people the likes of DePalma and many other’s who I consider haters of the country and or our troops.

Wade on November 17, 2007 at 10:05 AM

Just another reason to root against the Mavs.

…like I needed one.

Asher on November 17, 2007 at 10:12 AM

Let DePalma’s turkey go straight to video without giving him the publicity he craves.

Larraby on November 17, 2007 at 10:01 AM

Overseas sales are reportedly good. (Big surprise.) So if people don’t push back against it now, then it goes entirely unanswered.

Laura on November 17, 2007 at 10:13 AM

Making a movie about how US Marines and soldiers are a pack of wild rapists and killers BASED ON one incident is like making a film depicting African Americans as being a bunch of low-browed, grunting homicidal maniacs BASED ON the actions of Tookie Williams.

…Except in Hollywood, where you can slander our military and not go to prison. Try to make (and I would oppose such a film myself) a film denigrating a minority group, women or gays. You’d never be allowed to eat within 100 miles of a production studio.

Hollywood hypocracy and stupidity are without limit or bottom. I hope DePalma and Cuban meet up with a couple Marines in a dark alley.

thejackal on November 17, 2007 at 10:18 AM

If any good can come from this trash, it may help show to a broad spectrum of voters how anti-American and seditious the democrat progressive [Marxist] movement is.

The Kool-Aid drinkers that already hate America are already stumbling off into the jungle clutching there chests, so we can right them off.

In the end it may be a god send.

TheSitRep on November 17, 2007 at 10:28 AM

You are totally right Bryan. They thrive on martyr status.
“The film THEY don’t want you to see” is what they are shooting for and it is up to us if they get it or not.

RobCon on November 17, 2007 at 10:36 AM

Good point, Jackel. I bet “dePalmer” is now the big hero in Hollyweird. He’s soooo braaaaaave! pppppffffttttt

Tony737 on November 17, 2007 at 10:43 AM

JiangxiDad on November 17, 2007 at 10:02 AM

I have three “yaller dawg” uncles to deal with. “I feel your pain,” as Billy Bythe would say.

Texas Nick 77 on November 17, 2007 at 10:46 AM

A major boycott of Redacted will not have as big an effect as the ADL urging Mel Gibson to change his script, but I do think that the boycott is creating more publicity.

The movie won’t be a hit. Think of a typical teenager’s point of view. What boy wants to bring his date to a film about war crimes? Now, if they had set it in a haunted house and made the Iraqi girl a nasty cheerleader, then had the bad guy cut her up with some kind of Iraqi sword, perhaps it would be a hit. But a film about a war crime, that intimates all American soldiers are evil, brutal creatures?

I can’t see the teens going for it. And they drive the theater box office in this country.

Meryl Yourish on November 17, 2007 at 11:07 AM

Larraby on November 17, 2007 at 10:01 AM

I forgot about that… he’s got a real fixation with soldiers raping young girls doesn’t he. Perhaps he really needs to she a therapist to figure out why he enjoys those depictions so much.

TheBigOldDog on November 17, 2007 at 11:11 AM

Most people who watches their spending habits normally don’t patronize a movie without at least knowing what the general plot will be. Frankly, if someone wants to see a anti-American, anti-war, anti-patriotic flick, well that is their right, and I certainly don’t want militant bullies being thuggish on private property.

That said…

If people want to exercise their First Amendment rights (fought for, ironically, by those same brave Americans that Mark Cuban and his ilk slander so casually) and non-violently protest Redacted, hey, no skin off of my nose. The attention will cut both ways, but the economics will ultimately tell the tale.

itzWicks on November 17, 2007 at 11:12 AM

I have three “yaller dawg” uncles to deal with. “I feel your pain,” as Billy Bythe would say.

Texas Nick 77 on November 17, 2007 at 10:46 AM

I’m the sole Right-sheep of my family– both sides, my Manhattan side, and my Berkeley side. It’s ok. More turkey for me.

JiangxiDad on November 17, 2007 at 11:22 AM

Overseas sales are reportedly good. (Big surprise.) So if people don’t push back against it now, then it goes entirely unanswered.

Laura on November 17, 2007 at 10:13 AM

It DOES need to be responded to, not only in what is suggested here by making it hard on Cuban and DePalma, but by supporting Dollard’s work.

Without doing so, you run the risk of what happened with Vietnam veterans…constantly depicted as drug-addled alcoholic crazed killers one flashback away from wiping out anyone in their path.

I have heard from or read comments from Vietnam veterans who have said it has taken them years to overcome that stereotype.

…and John eFing Kerry was in on the ground floor in starting the smear of them.

91Veteran on November 17, 2007 at 11:25 AM

Some days I wake up and I can’t see how this country can hold together. The other day I heard some lefty say “Disent is what made this country great” Wrong! It was UNITY that made this country strong and great Americans that made it great. We are the UNITED STATES of AMERICA, not the DISIDENT STATES of AMERICA.

ronsfi on November 17, 2007 at 11:49 AM

Comment from yesterday’s post “Dennis Miller on Redacted”:

When will someone have the courage to stand up and make a movie showing our troops as the heroes they are, and Islam as the terror it is?

Less than one year into WWII there were dozens of movies showing the bad guys for what they were, and training films coming out of Hollywood.

Hening on November 16, 2007 at 1:42 PM

I’ve been thinking the same thing a lot lately. Glad to hear about Dollard’s project coming soon. Anyone know of other shows like this in work? I’d definately pay to see that kind of movie. I’m sure I am not alone.

dont taze me bro on November 17, 2007 at 11:53 AM

There need to be lots of protest signs at the next Mavs game. He shouldnt get away from his deeds just because its another field.

TBinSTL on November 17, 2007 at 11:54 AM

War Porn

Whether people go to see it or not isn’t the point. What people think of the message it portrays is what matters.

DePalma is sick and I think he’s finally proved it. Cuban, no doubt, was drawn into it as a hollywood wannabe. He’s become a genuine fool in the spotlight. Good for him.

More rope, faster please.

Bacchus on November 17, 2007 at 12:01 PM

I’d imagine there are some America haters that can’t wait to support redacted, but I bet it will be a lot less in number than the people that supported Mel’s move.

TheSitRep on November 17, 2007 at 9:55 AM

Yea, because most of these America haters are living off their parents, as I see it!

4shoes on November 17, 2007 at 12:25 PM

I went to see Passion of the Christ. not because I am a Christian but as an anti-boycott statement. I wanted my dollars to count in the Christian column of the ledger.

I’d imagine there are some America haters that can’t wait to support redacted, but I bet it will be a lot less in number than the people that supported Mel’s move.

TheSitRep on November 17, 2007 at 9:55 AM

As another anti boycott we could go see every other movie out . . . twice. This would make Redacted’s low numbers even lower.

- The Cat

MirCat on November 17, 2007 at 12:29 PM

DePalma always was a bad version of a Hitchcok wannabe.

Hilts on November 17, 2007 at 12:29 PM

JiangxiDad on November 17, 2007 at 10:02 AM

And what Cuban doesn’t know, is that when it becomes a PR fiasco, his Hollywood buddies will run. He is going to be left with a couple of weirdos supporting him. He will be the laughing stock of the NBA. Who does he think his fans are? That is what will hurt him the most…his shunning by the NBA.
It shows with this NY immigrations license thing, enough heat and even the glacier melts.

right2bright on November 17, 2007 at 12:30 PM

P.S. I bet we all know who/what is going to win several Oscars next time around.

MirCat on November 17, 2007 at 12:31 PM

JiangxiDad on November 17, 2007 at 10:02 AM

That has to be THE most profound assessment of the liberal mindset that I have read in many, many, months.

Thanks for that.

csdeven on November 17, 2007 at 12:34 PM

I’d love to see the few cons in Hollywood get together and film a few pro-American war movies. Jawbreaker, Lone Survivor, We We One, House To House, The Take Down, there are so many great books out there waiting to be turned into great movies!

Tony737 on November 17, 2007 at 12:49 PM

I feel personally slandered by DePama and Cuban. During my two tours in Iraq I have met men and women with more courage and honor in their little pinkie than Cuban and DePalma combined.

They make me sick the way they pat themselves on the back for being “brave” and “speaking truth to power”. Sad though, that this “power” would never harm them physically and is the one that allows them to live in the dream world called Hollywood. How brave…

BadBrad on November 17, 2007 at 12:50 PM

Hollywood hypocracy and stupidity are without limit or bottom. I hope DePalma and Cuban meet up with a couple Marines in a dark alley.

thejackal on November 17, 2007 at 10:18 AM

I understand your feelings, but suggesting any Marine would do that only feeds their assertion that they are a bunch of brutes. We both know that they would never do that. But I tell you what, I WOULD and I’d bet you would also. I can think of a plethora of traitorous libs and assorted other scumbags that better not meet you and me in a dark alley. Heck, I have more respect for a Taliban fighter that would stand up and fight me toe to toe, than I do for these disgusting slugs that hide behind free speech as a way to destroy this country.

csdeven on November 17, 2007 at 12:52 PM

Cuban and DePalma may have it figured out.
They know exactly what they are shooting for, and it isn’t money or viewer ship.

They are shooting for an Oscar and a Nobel prize.

TheSitRep on November 17, 2007 at 1:00 PM

JiangxiDad on November 17, 2007 at 10:02 AM

That has to be THE most profound assessment of the liberal mindset that I have read in many, many, months.

Thanks for that.

csdeven on November 17, 2007 at 12:34 PM

I agree. Well spoken. Reminds me of my early 20’s when I chose my politics to match my clothes and led me to do things like wear a clothes hanger around my neck. The first Gulf War is where it all started turning around for me. As I gained some perspective, street smarts kicked in and I realized I was be conned by the Left. Reagan wasn’t Hitler, GHWBush wasn’t either nor was Clinton nor GWBush. They play this same con an young people nowadays. You see to the left Hate is evil except when directed towards the one approved hate object. The Nazis. I am only allowed to hate nazis so if I hate you then you MUST be a Nazi. It’s bathed in high drama. “They are taking over! We must act now before it’s too late!” Same sh14. Different Decade.

ronsfi on November 17, 2007 at 1:07 PM

No link for “The Bashman“?

DANEgerus on November 17, 2007 at 1:14 PM

Late last night, I happened to sit down with a beer and catch “Behind Enemy Lines.” It’s a silly flick, Owen Wilson goofy as usual, Gene Hackman and David Keith awesome as usual … but it was unabashedly pro-American and pro-military.

I enjoyed it thoroughly and though about Redacted as I did. And I just can’t figure out who’d choose that movie over my silly Owen Wilson flick with lots of cool special effects.

Maybe I’m shallow. But I like rooting for my country. Call me crazy.

As for Redacted … I’d say just ignore the stupid thing. It’s being slaughtered even by liberal critics. No boycotts, please – boycotting it may be the only way to get people into the theater.

Ignore it. Watch it die. Eat popcorn and laugh while it bombs. It’s on track to make Ishtar look like a hit.

I’m all for boycotting the Mavs, though. Cuban is a dumb bastard. Why does it seem epidemic among the uber-wealthy to turn on the very country that gave them their wealth?

Professor Blather on November 17, 2007 at 1:23 PM

Three anti war movies have died a death of non attendance.

Now the right is giving this thing all sorts of free publicity and then you are going to wonder why did the left go to see this thing just to poke you in the eye.

CommentGuy on November 17, 2007 at 9:50 AM

Exactly.

The truth is even most Democrats don’t want to watch this crap. Let’s not give them a reason to go buy a ticket.

Professor Blather on November 17, 2007 at 1:25 PM

Late last night, I happened to sit down with a beer and catch “Behind Enemy Lines.” It’s a silly flick, Owen Wilson goofy as usual, Gene Hackman and David Keith awesome as usual … but it was unabashedly pro-American and pro-military.

Professor Blather on November 17, 2007 at 1:23 PM

I liked it too when I first saw it. I believe it was loosely based on actual events (the pilot behind enemy lines anyway).

I thought the UN snake who thought it appropriate to sacrifice the pilot was equally telling.

91Veteran on November 17, 2007 at 2:23 PM

Most of my Liberal friends up here hate the war and have no interest in watching war porn. Why would any anti-war person who can’t stomach the thought of war want to sit and watch this?

When my favorite film Saving Private Ryan came out a large group of us went and half of my friends walked out during the very beginning of the movie, they were horrified when he picked his severed arm up on the beach. They wouldn’t and couldn’t sit through it, and that was a pretty real depiction of what happened. The concept of storming the beach and the loss of life was way too much for them, they were tramatized. They were complaing that it was too much and comparing it to a slasher film. I can assure you they will not be seeing Redacted either.

You guys are right, the Democrats will not see this movie and I bet you it does terrible in the Manhattan and LA markets. I want to see the atas on the IMDB.

AprilOrit on November 17, 2007 at 2:25 PM

Fortunately, they won’t, and Pat Dollard is one major reason why. The good news in all of that quoted above is that Dollard’s documentary series will finally see the light of day on Showtime.

No secret here, but it’s telling that Cuban or anyone like him didn’t back Dollard’s film. It’s great that it will come out anywhere, but why Showtime when these anti-war POSs are hitting the big screen?

RightWinged on November 17, 2007 at 2:29 PM

As for Redacted … I’d say just ignore the stupid thing. It’s being slaughtered even by liberal critics. No boycotts, please – boycotting it may be the only way to get people into the theater.

Ignore it. Watch it die. Eat popcorn and laugh while it bombs. It’s on track to make Ishtar look like a hit.

Exactly, people are going to want to see what all the fuss is about, I think Bill O’Reilly jumped the shark again on this one. I don’t know what it is with him, he always does this, he did the same thing with Rosie O’Donnell and drove up the ratings on The View.

Someone needs to avise him. We already know he is a Patriot and a T Warrior, why the need to prove it to Mark Cuban and the other freak, who btw, almost killed his first wife – Nancy Allen – while filming “Blow Out” with John Travolta. That’s kind of why she dumped him.

AprilOrit on November 17, 2007 at 2:33 PM

Brian De Palma needs to take a civic lesson in the first amendment from him

Mojack420 on November 17, 2007 at 2:42 PM

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0937237/board

The discussion at the IMDB

AprilOrit on November 17, 2007 at 2:57 PM

This film will turn out to be like Mark Cubans basketball team, a lot of hype but nothing to show for it when it’s all said and done. Golden State > Mavs… Boyaah!

V15J on November 17, 2007 at 3:16 PM

Dollard’s film may be OK, but he’s another one who will draw people into Redacted becuase of the “what’s all the fuss” angle.

He and O’Reilly need to stop beofre they put this film “on the map”.

Let is die into oblivion.

AprilOrit on November 17, 2007 at 3:56 PM

Let it – Redacted – die into oblivion.

…is what I meant to say.

AprilOrit on November 17, 2007 at 3:57 PM

So I figure this should be good for at least 2 Academy Awards.

ronsfi on November 17, 2007 at 4:39 PM

How do DePalma and Cuban sleep at night? There’s no doubt that FDR would have had them jailed.

JetBoy on November 17, 2007 at 9:50 AM

If something truly seems best and the government is unwilling, one must look elsewhere. Divine retribution on DePalma would probably cost Cuban some sleep; it could work just as well in reverse. Of course, a valuable, but little-appreciated feature of divine retribution is getting away with it; I suppose one would have to think twice about divine retribution, if it could lead to jail time.

Kralizec on November 17, 2007 at 5:20 PM

JiangxiDad on November 17, 2007 at 10:02 AM

This is one of the most profound comments on liberalism and liberal mindset that I have ever read.

Well said.

Ignore the movie and ignore Cuban. Boycotting feeds their ego and will draw attention (and dollars) to the movie. Remember Fahrenheit 911? The buzz turned a flop (like Moore’s other movies) into a $110 million dollar profit PLUS an academy award.

georgej on November 17, 2007 at 5:24 PM

Ignore the movie and ignore Cuban. Boycotting feeds their ego and will draw attention (and dollars) to the movie. Remember Fahrenheit 911? The buzz turned a flop (like Moore’s other movies) into a $110 million dollar profit PLUS an academy award.

Exactly, but you know it almost seems that O’Reilly, Melanie Morgan, Beverly Perlson and of course Dennis Miller are using this to get some attention/ratings for themselves as well. Especially Miller, who needs attention desparartely, I think he just got a new gig, they need to direct some of the attention to themselves obviously for the airtime.

I mean really – how much of it is real bonafide patriotism and how much is just plain old media whoring?

A real patriot would ignore the crap and not want to cataput it to legitimacy, like what happened to Farenheit 911.

See this is where I wish I could sit O’Reilly down and ask him a simple “why?”.

AprilOrit on November 17, 2007 at 6:51 PM

Some old WWII movies:

To Hell and Back
Midway
The Longest Day
Battle of the Bulge
Failsafe
Sands of Iwo Jima
A Bridge Too Far
The Great Escape
The Guns of Navarone
Patton
Run Silent, Run Deep
Sink the Bismarck
Stalag 17
The Story of G.I. Joe (war correspondent Ernie Pyle)
Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo
Where Eagles Dare

…and that’s just a few.

What I want to know:
Where are our patriotic movies today???!!??!!!

leepro on November 17, 2007 at 7:20 PM

leepro on November 17, 2007 at 7:20 PM

That’s a great list of war movies. You missed a great one, “Patton.” How about a new movie called “Patraeus?” I think Micheal Yon’s experiences would make a good movie too.

Where are the patriotic movies today? Still in Hollywood, I guess. Geez, I sure hope they’ve begun working on some good movie projects by now.

“The Battle for Baghdad.”
“Anbar Awakening.”
“Blogging War” (Iraq the Model)
“Taking Back the Neighborhood – Police Transition Team”
“Standing Up An Army And A Country”
“Regime Change”
“Insurgency”
“Zarqawi”
“Jihad”
“Cyberwar”

Bacchus on November 17, 2007 at 8:25 PM

Oops. I see Patton is in your list. Never mind.

Bacchus on November 17, 2007 at 8:26 PM

Another movie idea from the time of the invasion in 2003:

“Blog – Where is Raed?”

Salam Pax (a pseudonym) blogged the war from Baghdad, as the bombs were being dropped around him. Where is Salam Pax today?

Bacchus on November 17, 2007 at 8:51 PM

But go too far with the criticism and you run the risk of doing what the ADL did with The Passion of the Christ, and turn what otherwise probably would have been a flop into a hit.

Umm….what? Passion of the Christ was going to be a big hit no matter what. Are you perhaps thinking of The Last Temptation of Christ because your statement definitely fits what happened with that movie more.

Benaiah on November 17, 2007 at 10:26 PM

Passion of the Christ was going to be a big hit no matter what. Are you perhaps thinking of The Last Temptation of Christ because your statement definitely fits what happened with that movie more.

Passion of the Christ was going to be a big hit, in no small part due to the innovative marketing of advance group sales to churches, etc.

Last Temptation, however, was not a hit. It made about 8.3 million at the box office. The estimates for the production budget run from 7-15 mil, which means it maybe broke even after you factor in advertising and distribution costs.

Karl on November 17, 2007 at 10:38 PM

BTW, looking at Friday’s numbers, Redacted is not in the top 24 films, from which we can in fer it made less than $23,000, which is what Margot at the Wedding made showing on 2 screens.

Karl on November 17, 2007 at 10:45 PM

Let’s not overlook the most epic of all war movies.

Team America: World Police

TheSitRep on November 17, 2007 at 11:12 PM

Let’s not overlook the most epic of all war movies.

Team America: World Police

TheSitRep on November 17, 2007 at 11:12 PM

“Hans, Hans, you’re breakin my….”

91Veteran on November 17, 2007 at 11:55 PM

How do DePalma and Cuban sleep at night?

Probably together….

MsUnderestimated on November 18, 2007 at 12:19 AM

I’ve been trying to find the actual numbers for how Redacted has done so far. The best numbers I can find are here

From that page:
Friday Estimate: $6,279 – $483 PTA – $6,279 cume
Three Day Estimate: $21,663 – $1,666 PTA – $21,663 cume

At less than five hundred bucks a theatre a day, does that even pay the physical costs of showing the film in the first place?

Etain P on November 18, 2007 at 8:57 AM

How do DePalma and Cuban sleep at night?

Probably together…

MsUnderestimated on November 18, 2007 at 12:19 AM

AAAAHHHH! You’re stabbing my eyes!

thejackal on November 18, 2007 at 9:29 AM

“Hans, Hans, you’re breakin my….”

91Veteran on November 17, 2007 at 11:55 PM

“… boughs, Hans, you’re breakin’ ma boughs!”

(Mr. Il’s Korean accent is unmistakable here… :-)

RD on November 18, 2007 at 4:42 PM

Hollywood suicide bombing campaign:

Lions For Lambs
Cost est. $35 million
Opening Weekend Domestic Gross : $ 6,710,000

In the Valley of Elah
Cost est. $25 million
Domestic Gross : $6,704,576

Rendition
Cost est. $27 million
Domestic Gross : $9,283,593

The Kingdom
Cost est. $70 million
Domestic Gross : $46,844,125

The pundits claim that the Iraq War doesn’t sell…

But what Iraq War movies have been released that aren’t condescending anti-war/anti-American propaganda?

Here is a template for success for you…

300
Cost est. $65 million
Domestic Gross : $210,614,939

Here is a clue. Men. Men go to war movies… and they like war movies that have positive heroes that are heroic. Then they buy the DVD.

Chicks don’t go to war movies. Chicks don’t care if those movies, they don’t go to, are historically accurate and they won’t go even if General Patton has self-loathing reflective moments that displace his entire campaign kicking the krauts across Europe.

Ken Burns? He made a multi-part chick flick and shoved it up our ass on PBS.

Men go to war movies.

Make some.

“We’ve all heard the stories, many true, some apocryphal, of soldiers returning home from Vietnam only to be disrespected and shunned by an ungrateful nation. How many were called war criminals or spat upon is as controversial as it is unknowable. But there’s one thing we know our troops never experienced. We never filled the movie theaters during wartime with films calling them war criminals, rapists and, figuratively, spitting on them or on their mission.” — Jonah Goldberg

DANEgerus on November 18, 2007 at 8:52 PM

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