Boston cops to search for guns in homes without warrants
posted at 5:50 pm on November 17, 2007 by Allahpundit
Lots of angry buzz in the ‘sphere about this, pronouncing it patently unconstitutional. Whether the program violates the Second Amendment is an issue yet to be decided. Whether it violates the Fourth is something we can guess at.
Boston police are launching a program that will call upon parents in high-crime neighborhoods to allow detectives into their homes, without a warrant, to search for guns in their children’s bedrooms.
The program, which is already raising questions about civil liberties, is based on the premise that parents are so fearful of gun violence and the possibility that their own teenagers will be caught up in it that they will turn to police for help, even in their own households.
In the next two weeks, Boston police officers who are assigned to schools will begin going to homes where they believe teenagers might have guns. The officers will travel in groups of three, dress in plainclothes to avoid attracting negative attention, and ask the teenager’s parent or legal guardian for permission to search. If the parents say no, police said, the officers will leave.
They claim they’re not going to prosecute kids in whose rooms guns are found, they’re just going to confiscate the weapon. And what if they find drugs? It depends on how much they find, they say. The question: An unconstitutional search or not? I’m no Fourth Amendment scholar but some cursory googling reveals that, according to Schneckloth v. Bustomante, “one of the specifically established exceptions to the requirements of both a warrant and probable cause is a search that is conducted pursuant to consent.” So as long as they’re asking to come in and not trying to force their way in, they don’t need probable cause. But what about a situation like the one here where it’s not the subject of the search who’s consenting (the teenager) but a co-resident (the parent)? The answer may depend on whether the teen’s at home when the cops come calling. United States v. Matlock holds that “the consent of one who possesses common authority over premises or effects is valid as against the absent, nonconsenting person with whom that authority is shared.” But what if the nonconsenting person isn’t absent? What if he’s right there, screaming, “No, you can’t come in!”? The Court reached that question last year in Georgia v. Randolph and held that in that situation the cops can’t come in. Everyone who lives there has veto power; just be sure you’re there to exercise it when the cops arrive or you’re out of luck.
Then again, we’re not talking about a roommate/roommate situation in the Boston case. We’re talking about legal guardians and minors. Might that change the equation? Maybe. Here’s something buried near the end of the majority opinion in Randolph:
[T]o ask whether the consenting tenant has the right to admit the police when a physically present fellow tenant objects is not to question whether some property right may be divested by the mere objection of another. It is, rather, the question whether customary social understanding accords the consenting tenant authority powerful enough to prevail over the co-tenant’s objection.
Would “customary social understanding” give parents the right to consent over the objection of their children? Probably, yeah.
That said, it’s still a shady program, as you can imagine how intimidated a tenant in a poor neighborhood might be to find three cops on their doorstep asking for permission to enter. They may not know they have the right to say no, and even if they do, they may fear being hassled in the future if they use it. The ACLU lawyer quoted in the piece has the right idea, I think, in identifying the key issue as being “informed consent” (or, in more traditional legal terms, voluntariness). I expect they’ll end up doing some sort of neighborhood initiative, passing out “know your rights” brochures and business cards in case the cops won’t take no for an answer.
Prediction: The program gets scrapped before it gets started.
Update: Obviously, there’s a whole separate question here of whether confiscating the guns and drugs would constitute an illegal seizure. I’ll leave that to the experts. Anyone know, or want to guess?









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Warrantless searches?
What’s next, busting up windows?
We could call it ‘Kristallnacht’ or something like that.
Oh, wait…
Lawrence on November 18, 2007 at 12:34 PM
JiangxiDad, you totally misread me. I wasn’t complaining at all.
It just sounds so nice and friendly, helping out the parents who are afraid of their own kids. But the police have to do their job and take drugs and prosecute dealers and killers, so this will lead to arrests. It just seems like the focus is all on what happens at the front door and not what happens afterwards.
I am 100% in favor of the police arresting the criminals. And I can’t get too worked up about the rights of teenagers to have guns and drugs.
MamaAJ on November 18, 2007 at 12:35 PM
So, intimidation tactics by people who posses the power to imprison you is a good thing ?
What judge signed off on the original request to search ?
elgeneralisimo on November 18, 2007 at 12:41 PM
I am missing something I guess the rest of you have figured out, if the police ask for permission to search and get it, do they not need a warrant? Permission to search is permission to search, right?
So, it’s unconstitutional for the police to search someone’s home with permission?
I don’t get it.
Weebork on November 18, 2007 at 12:50 PM
Weebork, I think it’s because it’s one person giving permission to search a different person’s room. Which probably doesn’t end up mattering, since it’s a parent vs. a kid.
MamaAJ on November 18, 2007 at 1:13 PM
From Farmer Joe:
Read the Constitution. The Fourth Amendment says, “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.” I don’t see any exception made available to that rule in this limit upon government if the government gets permission from the person to conduct any such search or seizure. To coin a silly leftist’s phrase, you’d have to engage in a “‘willing suspension’ of the Constitution” to do these searches, or use any information or evidence gathered in these “searches” in court.
Just as much as the government can’t violate these rights, you cannot divest yourself of them. These rights are inalienable.
Woody
“Charge the Court, Congress, and the several state legislatures with what to do with all the violent criminals who cannot be trusted with arms. We law abiding citizens shouldn’t be burdened with having to prove we are not one of the untrustworthy just because those in government don’t want to stop crime by keeping violent criminals locked up.” B.E. Wood
woodcdi on November 18, 2007 at 1:52 PM
What you say is true in some states but even that is not universal. Generally speaking parents speak on behalf of the child in all legal matters. I agree there are some statutory exceptions regarding abortion but those are the exception and not the rule and those statutes are under going challenges by parents in many states and parents have prevailed over such laws in some cases.
There is no doubt in my mind that in this case where 1) said child has no right to own a firearm and 2) parents have given the police permission to search, that noting un-Constitutional is happening.
Maxx on November 18, 2007 at 3:12 PM
Look, the Police just want to get the guns off the strreet.
How noble of them.
But, philosophically, since when in this country do we let THE POLICE determine public policy? Since when do THE POLICE determine what our rights are? Since when did we make them PUBLIC MASTERS instead of PUBLIC SERVANTS?
Pardon me if I demur.
georgej on November 18, 2007 at 3:43 PM
To catch a killer, yes, very much so. Besides, there’s no intimidation. They won’t even be wearing uniforms.
No judge ever has to sign off on a search that was obtained with consent.
If you get pulled over and give permission to search your car, the cops can legally search your car without a judge having to sign off on anything.
Esthier on November 18, 2007 at 4:38 PM
I must have missed something, what is the big deal here?
Three officers in plain cloths come to your door and say “We have reason to believe your son/daughter may be involved in violent gang activity. We would like to search his/her room for weapons. Will you let us?”
There, they have given the scope and object of their search – the same required in a search warrant. The only real difference in a formal warrant and this procedure is the probable cause portion which is virtually impossible to establish given the nature of gangs to begin with. The officers are working off reasonable suspicion and without uniforms anyone would be hard pressed to establish any coercion. All the parent needs to say is yes or no.
As for the privacy issue regarding the child. Unless the child has been allowed to put a lock on the door that only they have and have not allowed anyone in their room without permission it would be very hard to lay a foundation of expectation of privacy. If they have been allowed that sort of defense by the parent, the parent has already lost.
dkeppner on November 18, 2007 at 5:55 PM
In theory, I don’t like it, because people are stupid and are afraid of cops and will relinquish their rights even when they know they have something to hide — usually out of the hope that the cop won’t find it and the mistaken fear that refusing a search makes you a suspect or contributes to “reasonable suspicion” (it doesn’t). But Constitutionally speaking, I don’t think it’s illegal. Obviously if someone refuses and the cops do anything but walk away and never give a second thought to the family, that’s a problem.
Mark Jaquith on November 18, 2007 at 6:52 PM
By consenting to search, you’re not alienating your rights; you’re waiving them in a particular situation. On your theory, because the Sixth Amendment gives you the right to counsel, you can’t NOT use counsel and handle the case yourself.
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on November 18, 2007 at 7:11 PM
Why worry with the part about them having guns and the power to haul you or your child off to jail, they’re not wearing uniforms… yep, no chance of intimidation there…
The line of reasoning that the police can’t or won’t project any coercive influence simply because of their wardrobe is… suspect at best…
Florida v. Royer
elgeneralisimo was being sarcastic, when the police decide as a matter of policy to forgo the constitutional system of checks and balances, and we as a society decide to let them, what’s the point of having checks and balances ?
On the downside, some are going to be intimidated into acquiescence, but on the upside, some potential crime may be prevented if we trample the Bill of Rights…
elgeneralisimo on November 19, 2007 at 12:33 AM
Sounds a little Gestapo-ish to me.
CP on November 19, 2007 at 10:28 AM
Absolutely correct. If the parent/guardian says no, then the officers must leave. If the parent/guardian says yes, then the teen can been charged with whatever is found. The only two real problems they run into is, One the laws of the state of Mass (they may claim the parent/guardian cannot give permission because the kid has a “reasonable expectation to privacy — even though they don’t). And two how they ask for consent. I always tell my rookies to asked, “May I search your home, vehicle etc.” Alot of police officers say, “You don’t mind if I search . . .” a good defense attorney will always have the items found thrown out because of the ambiguity of the request’s phrasing.
Personally, I’d say no to any such request. It cannot be held against you — something I had to point out to a law school student riding with me one day who told me I had evidence to prove something was being hidden because the guy refused to let me search.
srhoades on November 19, 2007 at 10:34 AM
So, the police are just going to show up and ask if they can search? That sounds a lot to me like the scene from Animal House: “Do you mind if we dance with your women?”
I wouldn’t have a problem with the police setting up a hotline that people could call to set up this sort of search. I do have a problem with cops showing up and making parents “an offer they can’t refuse.” And how long do you think it will be before the parent’s refusal becomes probable cause for a warrant? I give it about three weeks of actual implementation.
phelps on November 19, 2007 at 12:56 PM
The Sixth Amendment gives you nothing. It protects a right you have. The Fourth Amendment specifies the only process government my use to violate the enumerated rights in that amendment. That government action being searching and seizing only by warrant and no other process. You have the right to keep and bear arms too, but you are not compelled to do so by the Constitution – because it is a limit on government action and not a mandate upon you. The Fourth Amendment is a mandate upon government – a process it must follow.
There is a qualifier in the Sixth Amendment – the word “Enjoy”. It means “to use or have the advantage of” in this context. What would be wrong with a person using or taking advantage of their own council? And, you can have the advantage of something whether you use it or not.
Bottom line is the difference between the government following a constitutionally mandated process(the warrant) and not violating a right you may choose to exercise or not.
Government can’t deny you the trial thingie, and it must get a warrant to search you, your property, or arrest you(except for the cases where the police catch you in the act). See the difference?
Woody
woodcdi on November 19, 2007 at 5:10 PM
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