Mallard T. Drake on November 16, 2007 at 8:25 PM
“One of our staff members was telling me how the steel beams had sagged during the fire. One had softened and dipped to the point that inspectors had to duck under it to get by.”

Is there an explanation for why that building in Philly didn’t collapse?

Please? Coz if not, you might as well give me a pouch full of fish heads and send me out on the ice floe to await death, coz i sure as hell dont want to be around when people like that get into positions of real power.

Its bad enought that people who were in HS in the 80’s and hating on Ronaldus Magnus while praising Daniel Ortega and Che are today running Presidential campaigns and staffing Congressional committees.

20 years of Trooferism would be too much to deal with.

Man, do I need a beer. or 6.

And Ron Paul isn’t in league with white supremacists either, he just has a healthy fear of ever-expanding minority rights.

Minorities don’t have rights, unless you’re talking about the ultimate minority: the individual. Trying to twist a belief in individual rights instead of “group rights” into racism is a well-worn tactic of the American Leftard. Congrats.

Nevedr take – one thing the Trufers exhibit consistently: An extremely poor grasp of mathematics in general, and by extension, the physical sciences in particular. Concepts of mass, acceleration, exponential increase, percentages, thermal dynamics…

Wind Rider on November 16, 2007 at 8:32 PM

Yep, reminds me of a scene from the movie “The Mothman Prophecies” when the main character (Richard Gere whom I loath) is talking to this guy that supposedly had some information about the Mothman and Gere asked him why they (the Mothmen) didn’t just come out and makes themselves known and explain their abilities and civilization to the world? His response essentially was doing so would be like trying to explain quantum physics to a cockroach, it’s really a waste of time for both the person explaining and the cockroach…much like us using facts and science to explain how the towers collapsed to twoofers is a waste of time.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying we shouldn’t expose how ridiculous the twoofers are and how harmful their conspiracy theories are to the war effort (not to mention how hurtful their garbage theories are to the family and friends of those lost on 9-11) but it’s obvious no amount of facts and science will get them to change their minds as they are suffering from severe delusional denial!

“Should I believe in a magazine based on the facts of engineering, science and plain common sense or should I believe Rosie, who is my main conduit to reality, I worship like a god and think the sun rises and sets on (literally)…..”

“I believe Rosie!!!”

Mark Jaquith on November 17, 2007 at 4:00 PM

Yes. And Ron Paul isn’t in league with white supremacists either, he just has a healthy fear of ever-expanding minority rights.

Further, Ron Paul isn’t really ignorant about foreign policy. He’s just for Fortress America and doesn’t see how anyone could possibly pose a threat to us.

Ron Paul was not available for comment

Why should Ron Paul comment on this again? He’s already gone on national television and said that he doesn’t believe that truther nonsense.

Let me break it down for you and everyone else who continues to disparage Dr. Paul with this “Truther” bullshit:

Ron Paul believes, as our founding fathers believed, that government is inherently inefficient, and should be entrusted with very little power, as it will just abuse that power and use it to gain more power. Our current government is a monstrous behemouth that wields undue powers with predictably damaging results. So Ron Paul is opposed to our current incarnation of government. Hold that thought.

Truthers are paranoid and believe that the government (but not necessarily all government) is evil and “the man” planned and carried out the 9/11 plot.

Where the two meet is that they’re both extremely dissatisfied with our current incarnation of government. It’s for totally different reasons. It’s a relationship of convenience. Truther nuts need a candidate who is radically dissatisfied with our government. Ron Paul isn’t exactly killing in polls, so he can’t afford to shake of any bastion of support (e.g. Truthers), regardless of how much he thinks they’re a bunch of loons.

See also John McCain and fringe evangelical Christians like the late Jerry Falwell.

But you don’t see me talking about how John McCain thinks 9/11 was an inside job by God to punish us for tolerating homosexuals (as McCain’s campaign buddy Falwell said).

The fact that this topic was taken seriously by anyone for even a nanosecond makes you wonder if letting “civilization” interfere with the “natural selection” process isn’t a horrible mistake.

landlines on November 17, 2007 at 9:46 AM

Money

Ron Paul was not available for comment, he stopped at the moon on the way from Mars to go potty.

They were all pretty worried about how they were going to get all that solid steel out of the blast furnace and into the crucibles…

The fact that this topic was taken seriously by anyone for even a nanosecond makes you wonder if letting “civilization” interfere with the “natural selection” process isn’t a horrible mistake.

Send Rosie a copy of Wayne Goddard’s $50 Knife Shop (Krause Publications, 2001; ISBN 0-87341-993-6. $19.95)

It explains in great detail, with lots of pictures, how knifesmiths use fire to melt steel ever day of the year.

Of course, to use it, she’d have to be able to read something without “interpreting” it to suit herself. Which I suspect she is incapable of.

No, on second thought, better not send her one. Do we really want her playing with fire and sharp objects?

cheers

eon

uh…Rosie had an argument? You mean Rosie had an emotion… an argument implies “thinking” and I don’t see too many synapses firing there.

They are all NUTS!

Progressive collapse, or disproportionate collapse, is a relatively new headache to us engineers. It’s the unfortunate truth that many or perhaps most of our structures cannot survive the removal of one column without damage to an area much larger than that supported by the column, even up to total collapse.

Since one can actually take out a column with a backpack-sized amount of explosive, the pressure is on to design structures to survive such an event. It’s not any easy (read: not inexpensive) problem to solve.

Here’s a fact that might freak out Rosie and crew,
would love to see their reaction on video.
Okay Rosie,were going to heat up the tile,and simulate
re-entre of the Space Shuttle,now when it get’s toasty
hot and it glows,you can touch it,ah it’s glowing you
want me to do what!hehe

Yep my dad has a piece and I have seen him heat it up with a blow torch and do just that.

(bear with me, I’m bucking for a slot on Rosie’s blogwriting staff…)

Well, minus the point about the critical column, though. Identifying that column and how the collapse proceeded is the whole point of the article. Interesting stuff.

Allahpundit on November 16, 2007 at 8:18 PM

You sold me, I’ll check it out later

Why would the evil Bushhitlerco. have gone to all the trouble to bring down an unoccupied building hours after the grand finale? The events of the past 6 years were already in motion by 11AM that morning.

It doesn’t have to actually melt the steel. All it has to do is weaken the steel in one critical column i

No way, that’s incredible.

Where John Davidson, Cathy Lee Crosby??? “Fran Tarkington”??? The yoga guy who could fit in a Kleenex box?

This is amazing, what a news flash, all this time we’ve been making buildings out of steel and this new development.

IDIOTS!!!

But I’m sure it’s just a continuation on the Pop. Mech. debunk…I still am in regualar conversation with a few truthers, who still claim it’s a “big media” conspiracy anyway.

No amount of common-sense proof seem to sink in with them.