Pushing back against the PCification of America
posted at 12:45 pm on November 16, 2007 by Bryan
This is an uncorked rant.
A student is suing the school that withheld her diploma because she mentioned Jesus in her valedictory address.
Erica Corder was one of 15 valedictorians at Lewis-Palmer High School in 2006. All were invited to speak for 30 seconds at the graduation ceremony. When it was Corder’s turn, she encouraged the audience to get to know Jesus Christ.
Corder had not included those remarks during rehearsals.
Corder’s lawsuit, filed Monday in U.S. District Court, said Principal Mark Brewer told her to prepare a public apology or she would not receive her diploma. She was still allowed to graduate.
The lawsuit said Brewer would not give Corder her diploma until she included a sentence saying, “I realize that, had I asked ahead of time, I would not have been allowed to say what I did.” Corder received her diploma after complying.
Had she mentioned Ghandi or Mohammed, there wouldn’t have been a problem. Good for her for smacking the school with a lawsuit. If the secular progressives want to wage war in court since they can’t win at the ballot box, then responding with a lawsuit that costs the school money is far game.
The fact that she one of 15 “valedictorians” was itself a sign of PC — it’s becoming common for schools to remove the “unhealthy competition” attached to academic honors by just naming a whole batch of students as “valedictorian.” Still looks good on a resume, I guess, but you can’t remove “unhealthy competition” from life and it ought not be removed from school.
Unfortunately, we’re removing “unhealthy competition” earlier and earlier in life. Try and find a youth sports league where they keep score and maintain standings anymore. The whole point of sports is to foster teamwork, promote physical activity and to teach kids how to be gracious in victory as well as in defeat. That in turn teaches them that to achieve, one must work to improve their skills. But if there’s nothing to achieve and everyone gets the same trophy whether they showed up and played their heart out in every game or barely played at all, why improve? Why work hard? “Because it’s fun” only gets you so far, and not very far at all in real life.
Elsewhere, but coincidentally with the first story in Colorado, a holiday decorating committee in Ft. Collins tried to scrub all things Christian from this year’s Christmas. Larimer County Sheriff Jim Alderden is having none of it.
Ft. Collins is becoming more like the imbecilic borough of Boulder than many would like to admit; where social agendas substitute for common sense.
Last week, Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly righteously ridiculed the recommendations of Ft. Collins’ Holiday Display Task Force on The O’ Reilly Factor. For the uninformed, the Task Force recommended that only “white lights and secular symbols not traditionally associated with any particular holiday” be permitted. It further recommended “removing red ribbons from wreaths and removing stars and ornaments from trees.” Acceptable symbols of winter include “snowflakes, snowmen, snowballs, ice skates, skis, penguins, polar bears, white lights, etc.” (Penguins? This is dangerous territory. What about those of us who were traumatized by Danny DeVito’s performance as Oswald Cobblepot in Batman Returns? Skis? What about the poor who can’t afford to go skiing? How elitist and insensitive!) The Task Force managed to avoid any reference to Santa Claus, AKA St. Nick, but one would assume the jolly old gentleman would be banned due to the association of saints with religion.
While the secular progressives have tried to take Christ out of Christmas, supported and bolstered by the ACLU which is waging its own Jihad against Christianity, the majority of Americans, including those living in Larimer County and Ft. Collins, recognize and value our Christian heritage. Valuing our heritage while being tolerant of other religions!
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Most of the members of the Larimer County Sheriff’s Office are Christians and celebrate Christmas. We pray for the continued safety of our brothers and sisters in blue, and recognize that the laws we are sworn to uphold have their very foundation in the laws laid down by God through Moses. Our criminal codes are based on Judaic Christian doctrine. To deny that by restricting symbols of Christian faith on public property is beyond the pale. In recognition and celebration of Christmas, members of the LCSO will be displaying a Christmas tree – not a holiday tree – on our front lawn at 2501 Midpoint Drive. We will be decorating the tree on December 1 at 10:00 a.m. and invite members of the public who share our faith or object to government intrusion into our religious freedoms to join us.
In order to ensure that no tax dollars are spent on this “unauthorized” display, donations of lights and ornaments will be gratefully accepted. Might I suggest that red ribbons, stars, angels and multi-colored lights would be in order? We will strive for (dare I say) “uniformity,” not diversity, and request the largest and brightest LED lights, size C-9 ¼. ($9.99 at Walgreens with 50% off the second set.). Lights, decorations and donations can be dropped off at our headquarters and left in the lobby or vestibule at any time. (No frightening penguins.) Please attach your name so appropriate thanks and recognition can be given in our Bull Sheet publication. Donations for Santa Cops, to ensure a joyous Christmas for disadvantaged children in our community, will also be accepted. Please join our LCSO family and share our joy on December 1. Refreshments will be provided.
Good. I particularly like the request for the biggest lights you can buy. I’m sure the ACLU will make him regret it, though.










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In the case of the 15 valedictorians, they all held 4.0 GPS all through school, that’s why they were all given the honor. (I can’t remember where, but this was part of an article the first time around)
Number 2 on November 16, 2007 at 12:53 PM
Good for the Sheriff!
I look forward to Allah’s comments on this one, too. I’m sure the ACLU is having a hissy fit, but I can’t see them getting much public sympathy here.
Vanceone on November 16, 2007 at 12:53 PM
Follow the link. In the past schools would resolve ties by checking class difficulty. Now they’re just lumping the top group as mutual valedictorians, when they name valedictorians at all.
Bryan on November 16, 2007 at 12:56 PM
Amen.
Mike H on November 16, 2007 at 12:56 PM
My nieces play soccer every fall and for a long time the leagues didn’t keep score, because god knows we don’t want anyone’s feelings hurt. Funny, though, that the girls always kept score, and most of them knew who won the games.
BillLalor on November 16, 2007 at 1:00 PM
I’ve observed the same phenomenon. It’s funny, the kids know when they won and when they lost and who scored the most and who gave up goals to the other team. Some of them even know if they’ve won more games than they have lost over the season. And they all handle it just fine. It’s some of the adults who come unglued about it.
Bryan on November 16, 2007 at 1:04 PM
I do not know that I would let my child accept a participation trophy, or even play in a league that fif not keep score. I’m not going to be a Montessori parent.
Theworldisnotenough on November 16, 2007 at 1:07 PM
*did not keep score.
Time for my t-shirt again.
Theworldisnotenough on November 16, 2007 at 1:09 PM
I really get a kick out of the fact that the same liberals who scream night and day about evolutionary theory don’t like people to be exposed to any sort of true, competitive pressure. Interesting.
progressoverpeace on November 16, 2007 at 1:10 PM
As a resident HA Atheist, I support this young lady and I believe her right to free speech was trampled by a PC adminitration.
JayHaw Phrenzie on November 16, 2007 at 1:14 PM
The Erica Corder’s lawsuit against the school story is 3 months old! Although the Christmas light story is new. And that story only goes to show just how moronic those people are working in government that is bent on regulating religious expression.
Kokonut on November 16, 2007 at 1:18 PM
Allah…your thots?
November 4:
“One suburban Chicago principal has suggested that it might have been OK if Corder had just given her own personal story. It’s when she invited others to join her that she crossed a delicate but very important line.
Suppose Corder was a Muslim, a Hindu, or even a Mormon. Would her supporters still be defending her, or would there have been screams of protest over the proselytizing?
She says she acted on what God was calling her to do. In my experience it’s difficult to know what and when God is telling us to do something unless the teaching is clear and plain in the Bible.
I know nothing in the Scripture that says it’s OK to deceive if it allows you to invite people to commit their lives to Jesus. The Bible does tell us that lying is wrong and that one who “rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted.” (Rom. 13:2)
Scripture does contain examples of people who disobeyed civil authority because they were convinced that “we must obey God rather than man,” but these were situations where the individuals didn’t lie or deceive; they came right out and said what they were going to do.
No one knows how or even whether God might make his will known to another individual, but I have serious questions about whether it includes deceit and untruth. I hope Corder finds better ways of doing it in the future.”
http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=69522&src=2
Kokonut on November 16, 2007 at 1:21 PM
What’s a Montessori parent?
sweeper on November 16, 2007 at 1:23 PM
15 Valedictorians? It’s a lowering of standards and this bizarre quest for diversity that ends up, strangely, in uniformity.
You would think, after all, that if it was about diversity then no one would have a problem with some kid saying “Jesus” in her speech.
There’s some multigenerational damage that will take many more years to undo, if that can be done at all.
Krydor on November 16, 2007 at 1:26 PM
Here’s a bit of an “update.”
Kokonut on November 16, 2007 at 1:26 PM
Alright. This is the perfect place for my yearly link-fest on this subject. First, for a soundtrack to set the mood: The ACLU song.
This whole “equality of results” thing is such a farce. It’s just so set kids up for communism. Equal pay for unequal work.
At least enough people are annoyed with the idiocy of this junk that there are some funny shirts out there mocking the PCification of our country’s traditions.
Whew- got the linky bug out of my system.
NTWR on November 16, 2007 at 1:26 PM
What part of “nor the free exercise thereof” don’t these brain dead back assward government school politically obtuse historically ignorant pack of pandering fascist bloviators NOT understand???!!!
I’ve had it up to ten feet past the top of my head with their self-important putrid gushing streams of cranial diarrhea about ‘separation of C & S!!’ It don’t mean what you think it means, you loon toon leftist nitwits.
Krykeee. How much $$$ did this crap cost the taxpayers?
locomotivebreath1901 on November 16, 2007 at 1:32 PM
Victory belongs to the Republican candidate who declares war on the ACLU.
Speakup on November 16, 2007 at 1:35 PM
You realize it’s only a matter of time before the secularist try to force the renaming of cities such as San Diego, Los Angeles, San Jose, San Francisco, etc, since the all reflect Christian entities. Money has it that San Francisco will be the first to try and I wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t take place within the next 4-8 years.
Tyrs Fury on November 16, 2007 at 1:39 PM
I agree. They’ve already forced the removal of a cross that was on top of a mission on the LA city seal. It’s crazy, California’s big cities were all started with missions. Missions that have a cross on top of them because they are CHURCHES! The ACLU is trying to re-write history and kill the future simultaneously.
NTWR on November 16, 2007 at 1:46 PM
My son has played soccer for 3 years now, and the leagues have always kept score. This year, for the 8 and under age group, there were play-offs.
This year and last year, his team only won one game the entire season. It’s given us a lot to talk about, but none of the kids were freaking out about it. Of course there were a couple parents who spent the whole game yelling at their kids…
MamaAJ on November 16, 2007 at 1:46 PM
If this kid help up an anti-Bush poster that was not in rehearsal would there have been punishment?
Hening on November 16, 2007 at 1:52 PM
Oh, man. Ft. Collins has really sunk over the last few years. And it used to be a pretty nice little down-home town.
What changed? The only thing I can see is a big influx of secular intellectuals who can’t afford to live in Boulder anymore.
Why can’t they live in Boulder anymore? Probably because they raised the taxes so high and cost of living is so outrageous that even the secular intelligencia can’t afford it anymore.
Lawrence on November 16, 2007 at 1:56 PM
What goes around comes around.
Those yelled at kids will have a big say in the selection of which old folks home their parents will be residing in a few decades.
MB4 on November 16, 2007 at 1:57 PM
I played T-ball the summer I was 6 and the summer I was 7 (this was back in the 70′s – I’m dating myself). The first season we lost every game. The next season we won every game. It was certainly nicer to win than to lose, but I don’t remember being devastated by the losses or anything. Nor do I remember my parents making a huge deal out of the results during either season. They were sympathetic or congratulatory, depending, but not overly so. The important thing was to be a good sport.
MamaAJ, I think it’s great that your son has stuck with the team. A lot of kids (and their parents) wouldn’t want to be involved if they weren’t winning.
Missy on November 16, 2007 at 2:08 PM
The mission of the Montessori Foundation is:
to nurture, inspire, and support the development of strong, successful Montessori schools around the world, and to help to build an international Montessori community of joyful, loving young people and adults, working together to build a world in which kindness, compassion, sanity, and peace can finally blossom.
BacaDog on November 16, 2007 at 2:09 PM
Heartwarming stories.
Do we have any evidence of the ACLU being involved in either of them, or are you ACLU-bashers just giving a knee-jerk response? Because the ACLU has made it pretty clear that it has no interest in stifling Christmas celebrations. It also normally supports students’ religious expression, like when they co-sued to allow a New Jersey second-grader to sing “Awesome God” at a school talent show.
You see, just because somebody does something stupid doesn’t mean the ACLU is behind it.
factoid on November 16, 2007 at 2:09 PM
I think you’ve got this one wrong, Bryan. This is a girl who snuck prosthelytizing into her speech without permission. That’s not about PC, that’s about making people uncomfortable with inappropriate comments. Had she called for opposition to the Iraq War, a very PC act, she likely would have been in the same hot water. Frankly, I think her actions were rude, since she admitted that she subscribed to the notion that it was easier to seek forgiveness than permission. Freedom of speech doesn’t exclude freedom from the consequences of being inappropriate.
Also, the multiple valedictorians are not a PC act, either, or an act of lowering standards. At many competitive high schools (including my alma mater), a 4.0 GPA isn’t uncommon. Since there’s no way to distinguish among all the 4.0s, all 4.0s become valedictorians. (“Checking class difficulty”? That’s rather subjective and arbitrary. Average test score would be more objective, but high schools don’t keep detailed enough records for that.) Saying that it’s “removing competition” is silly. My alma mater, with multiple valedictorians, was very competitive. Also, it’s silly to say you’d put it on your resume, since a high school diploma won’t even be on the resume of such overachievers when they get their first jobs. Anyway, it doesn’t look good on a resume if it’s merely synonymous with “4.0.”
By the way, she looks like the missing fourth sister from Full House. I’m just saying….
calbear on November 16, 2007 at 2:18 PM
When I was in school, I remember not only did they used to check class difficulty, but they were also consider community service, interview teachers, and do a few other things to narrow it down to one person.
You know, I’m fed up with all this PC crap, like Lowe’s “Family Trees” and all the community boards saying don’t do this and don’t do that. If you stop me on the street, I WILL say “Merry Christmas”, I will have a nice multicolored lights display, with a nativity scene in front of my house, and I will express myself as a proud American.
Tuari on November 16, 2007 at 2:25 PM
That’s funny. Good one, comrade.
I’ve seen plenty of evidence to the contrary, cripes the principal of my daughter’s school railed against the Iraq war during commencement. Also, calling it proselytizing is absolutely absurd.
15 valedectorians is also absurd. How many salutatorians, 40? There are plenty of ways to break a tie, just none that will leave someone with hurt feelings, which is a grave crime in the mind of liberals.
reaganaut on November 16, 2007 at 2:27 PM
Missy, it hasn’t been the same team each year, but yes, it’s good that he didn’t want to give up at any point. I’m also glad they managed to win one game–that’s much, much better than none.
Well, this year my daughter is in a local Christmas show which just got rescheduled because of the town’s Christmas parade so I got nothing to complain about.
Of course, I could tell the story about how due to snow days last year, they scheduled a make-up day on Memorial Day, but still had Good Friday off, but that would just confuse matters.
MamaAJ on November 16, 2007 at 2:35 PM
My nephew graduated from one of the high schools in Cupertino last year as Valedictorian. I had no idea there were so many. Gotta laugh, a little. That article you linked to was eye-opening.
JiangxiDad on November 16, 2007 at 2:36 PM
Since I can’t find an exact quote, it’s unclear whether it’s proselytizing or not. But it sounded like she was encouraging people to know Jesus in the religious sense, not the historical sense, i.e., to become Christian.
And, again, the multiple valedictorians are not about hurt feelings. Many schools just don’t want to put in a system to break ties. The multiple valedictorians happen at a school written up in the Wall Street Journal as being so competitive that parents would rather send their kids to private schools. Clearly those who control the school’s actions are not so worried about bruising egos as to dumb down the school for the sake of wussy parents.
calbear on November 16, 2007 at 2:47 PM
Oh come on, you can’t be serious about that. Schools do not fear the dreaded ACLU lawsuit if a kid gives a speech against the war. They do fear such suits if a kid prays or mentions the J-word. Cases of this happening go back 20 years, over everything from graduation speeches to pre-game football prayers, and have happened all over the country.
Bryan on November 16, 2007 at 2:51 PM
Oops – maybe it’s for the uncles, not the students or their resumes! Anyway, the number of valedictorians and salutatorians (who are also apparently 4.0s) for Lynbrook in 2007 are listed here.
calbear on November 16, 2007 at 2:52 PM
I promise that if she had attributed her good grades to Satan or Allah the principal would have been on his feet cheering. Unfortunately we’re already living in a dhimmi state and Christians are soon to be second class citizens.
Buzzy on November 16, 2007 at 2:55 PM
Any evidence that the ACLU (or fear thereof) was in any way involved here? As factoid points out, the ACLU would tend to fight for this student, not against her.
calbear on November 16, 2007 at 2:56 PM
Did you even go to high school in America? Seriously.
calbear on November 16, 2007 at 2:57 PM
LOL. The link was password protected. Thanks anyway. I’ll just force my sister to admit he was only one of 100. (If I had known, I would have sent him $5 instead of $10!)
JiangxiDad on November 16, 2007 at 2:58 PM
My point would be…who the hell is actually listening to the speeches anyway?
Who cares WHO she thanked? And last time I checked, it wasn’t against any law to invite someone to meet another. That is all this girl did.
Hey Atheists, would you be pissed if I told you you should meet/know Mickey Mouse? IF you don’t want to meet/know Jesus, then don’t. Why cause a ruckus over the invite??
Wasted freakin energy if you ask me.
tickleddragon on November 16, 2007 at 3:10 PM
I’m not getting the password problem, but perhaps the Google cache version will work. It’s not 100, but it seems around three dozen (only one of whom doesn’t have an Asian name), way more than when I went to school there. I know some will assume that’s because standards have gone down, but locals say it’s because students have improved and it’s more competitive now. I guess I shouldn’t assume that what’s true in San Jose is true in Colorado, but neither should anyone assume that it’s not.
calbear on November 16, 2007 at 3:12 PM
Wrong. The ACLU tends to side with complaints about separation of church and state, even though the kid isn’t an officer of the state and is just speaking his or her mind. They have been taking such stands in similar cases for years. It’s de rigeur.
Bryan on November 16, 2007 at 3:16 PM
Factoid (above) provides links of the ACLU supporting students inserting God into school. You provide only a general idea of what you think is de rigeur for the ACLU. If it’s de rigeur, it should be easy for you to point to a case of the ACLU trying to shut down a student. I’m not going to believe that I’m wrong if I see no evidence presented to even hint that I might me.
What I was wrong about was the number of valedictorians and their races – two dozen, and some were even non-Asian!
calbear on November 16, 2007 at 3:25 PM
On the valedictorian issue, there is an angle to the story that I think some people don’t understand. As Bryan noted, there might be a “tie breaker” in the analysis of a student’s transcript. But I believe that one of the primary reasons schools are naming multiple valedictorians is incentive.
Many schools have committed significant resources to the Advanced Placement program, which raises the academic level in which a class is taught to college level. Comparison studies have supported the fact that these students are, indeed, learning at the college level, and many colleges offer broad credit for the classes.
In a competetive environment, students might have little incentive to take the most rigorous schedule if the risk is a lower gpa and class rank. So schools are honoring the top group of students equally.
But to suggest that this creates an “equality of outcome” scenario isn’t logical. My daughter achieved 54 credit hours toward college during high school, and was “ranked” 6th in her class of over 800. The top (I think) 10 were given the honor of Valedictorian. Some of those students above her class rank took a schedule that would pale in comparison, but had a 4.0.
The task is to somehow evaluate wildly diverse curricula in an evenhanded way. I think our general contempt for that effort is seriously misplaced, or even misinformed.
Jaibones on November 16, 2007 at 5:36 PM
Want more links?
Try here, here, here, and here.
NTWR on November 16, 2007 at 5:51 PM
Well said, and congrats to your daughter on her academics achievements.
I thinks adults here jump too quickly into the “their doing away with competion”. If you look at what kids are learning in schools today, it is head and shoulders above what was taught twenty years ago.
sweeper on November 16, 2007 at 6:03 PM
Thanks. At our school the real difficulty is that there are these kids at the top who are really fine students, but then the bottom group is seriously deficient. I have no love for the teachers unions or the politicization that I see (and I see a lot of it), but I have great sympathy for the school in managing the diversity of abilities.
Jaibones on November 16, 2007 at 6:22 PM
Nah, I went to a college prep private school for high school and graduated with a 4.25 GPA because of AP courses. I wasn’t even in the top 10 of my class. There were lots of kids with 4.75 GPAs. The valedictorian was selected based on, not only GPA, but community service commitments, sports achievements, student government participation, clubs and excelling in all of the above at once. It was an intensely stiff competition among the students for the ONE honor and I believe that’s why we had so many outstanding achievers.
That’s another reason to choose private schools. Plus, since it was a Catholic school, we had prayers daily, the Pledge of Allegiance daily, Mass often, and could always sing a Christmas carol during the season. As a non-Catholic, I loved it.
NTWR on November 16, 2007 at 6:33 PM
BTW, I truly admire kids that can sift through the NEA crap in public schools to get a great education. It’s possible, but it takes an even more determined kid to concentrate and kick tail. Congratulations on raising a good one, Jailbones.
NTWR on November 16, 2007 at 6:36 PM
I’m not sure what’s worse, 4.75 GPA’s or 10 valedictorians.
Inflation kills everything.
progressoverpeace on November 16, 2007 at 6:37 PM
Jailbones,
Another program that can determines a higher GPA is the IB International Baccalaureate Program. It also gives high school students college credit while putting them through a two year course program designed to prepare them for the college environment.
However, it is not funded through the unions. For instance, the AP tests that are given to colleges for credit are paid for by the states. IB tests are paid for by us, the students parents, and are $75 for each class. For the past decade, IB has worked hard to be as recognized as it is now. IB students are the ones who go to college and stay in college, despite the high percentage of dropouts in the freshman year of the general population of university students.
Also, more and more colleges are beginning to give “automatic admission” to students who have earned full IB diplomas.
It’s hard stressful work, but the GPA’s reflect it when the students succeed, and at my daughter’s school, there will be multiple Valedictorians, hopefully mine as one of them.
progressoverpeace,
The 4.75 GPA is weighted. The student probably received either an AP or IB diploma. So that diploma would be compared to other AP or IB diplomas when the student applies for college.
serpentineshel on November 16, 2007 at 7:29 PM
Most of the links you give don’t address independent actions by students, though the 1998 lawsuit seemed to be apply. It would be good to see an independent recounting of this, as important details are often lost in even unbiased sources, let alone advocacy-based ones. It doesn’t prove that the ACLU usually takes this role, but it does seem to show that they have in the past. I’ll give you (NTWR) that, although it would be interesting to see whether there’s any real evidence for Bryan’s assertion that fear of the ACLU – or of any lawsuits – is what motivated the punishment in this case.
calbear on November 16, 2007 at 7:34 PM
Arts, let alone NEA arts, are lacking in schools, from what I understand. Are you thinking of something specific when you say that?
As for 4.75s, at least when I was a student, high school GPAs didn’t account for honors and AP courses, so that wasn’t factored into who was a valedictorian and who wasn’t. 4.0 was the max, and many achieved it.
calbear on November 16, 2007 at 7:42 PM
I think stories like these are some of the most vitally important in our time, because I think they are symptoms of the organized effort to make Atheism the defacto state religion of the US. When you get punished for saying something religious in a valedictorian speech… how can you possibly say that you have the right to free expression of your religion? Its absurd to me, but the left, the atheists, etc, are trying to create an environment where ANY expression of religion ANYWHERE in public is forbidden… and its working. When that’s complete, the lack of religion … Atheism… will be, basically the official state religion. And that’s the exact opposite of what the consitution intended. I don’t want freedom FROM religion I want freedom OF religion. And btw, I am a Wiccan, and I think that anyone who would be offended by the mention of christianity in a speech like this is a basket case.
Etain P on November 16, 2007 at 8:05 PM
I was actually surprised by the lack of evidence of anti-Christian bias in my search. I thought I’d find many more (and more solid) examples. But, a little goes a long way. No school wants to spend scarce dollars on a lawsuit.
NTWR on November 16, 2007 at 8:17 PM
I’m talking about the National Education Association. Through a protest, they once put concrete on my history teacher’s door in Jr high because he wouldn’t walk out with them.
NTWR on November 16, 2007 at 8:21 PM
Yes, I know. But I took AP classes and actual college courses while in high school and still counted an A as a 4.0.
Look, colleges are far worse with their grade inflation. And companies are worse with their titles than the high schools are with their “valedictorians”. Anti-competitive inflation affects the society as a whole, from the sublime to the stupid. You can’t even find “small” cups of coffee any more …
progressoverpeace on November 16, 2007 at 10:05 PM
That’s because we are all above-average.
dedalus on November 16, 2007 at 10:09 PM
WorldNetDaily had an article about HUD sending a letter to a housing center in Florida banning angels or other religious Christmas items from public view in their facility.
The public outcry caused HUD to scramble and rescind the memo.
D@mn fools. The people living there should have forced the issue. It would have made for some interesting evening news to see Grandma hauled out of her home in handcuffs for displaying an angel on her Christmas tree.
91Veteran on November 16, 2007 at 10:12 PM
Time for Dan and Rush to have another bake sale there huh?
91Veteran on November 16, 2007 at 10:19 PM
So I am to assume all of the poor baby athiests/secularists dropped dead when she asked them to bring Jesus into their hearts? Must have been terrible. Rosie was right, we Christians are as dangerous as those poor misunderstood muslims.
gator70 on November 17, 2007 at 1:45 AM
“It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.” Patrick Henry , a great American patriot
lilyjac on November 17, 2007 at 1:03 PM