Catholic bishops’ guide on how to vote now available online
posted at 2:40 pm on November 16, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Universal health care, opposition to the death penalty, moral objections to preventive war: it’s all here, reinforcing a point I’ve made before in our comment battles about how Christianity has always seemed more liberal to me in substance than conservative. I’ve been derided for my supposed ignorance in taking that position but tell it to the bishops.
May I offer you paragraph 83?
As No More Spin says, good luck squaring that last sentence with what precedes it. Before the left celebrates divine victory, though, I’d urge our readers one and all to follow the link to the document and read the following five paragraphs: 22-23 and 34-36 (especially 35). If Catholic voters took this to heart, there’d be nary a Democrat elected throughout the land.
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That kind of Catholicism doesn’t represent all of it, but a lot of the clergy would like it to. There are a few kinds kinds of Catholics, Religious, who are fairly doctrinal and where you want to be, Social Club Catholics, which is what most of it is in New England, and people who are looking reconnect with the right place in the Church, where I am.
Bad Candy on November 16, 2007 at 4:08 PM
Philly is NOT part of PA. I refuse to accept it as such. It should be Excommunicated to Jersey.
Bad Candy on November 16, 2007 at 4:10 PM
That’s because a simple reading of the New Testament shows that Jesus was an uber-lefty.
-Jesus was in favor of income redistribution, i.e., it’s easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven
-Jesus was in favor of punitive taxation, i.e., render to Caesar what is Caesar’s
-Jesus didn’t believe in personal responsbilitiy, i.e., he can forgive your sins against other people, handily absolving you of the responsibility of seeking forgiveness from the person you wronged
-Jesus was permanently unemployed, i.e., there are no stories in the New Testament of Jesus putting in an honest day’s work
Were he alive today, Jesus would be a Hugo Chavez apologist.
Enrique on November 16, 2007 at 4:10 PM
By doing their job to the best of their abilities? Which doesn’t necessarily mean using their own lifestyle as a guideline for how to run a country.
pifactorial on November 16, 2007 at 4:11 PM
Agreed
EWTN could be called the ‘conservative’ Catholic channel. EWTN interviewer Tony Arroyo brought up illegal immigration with a member of the Conference of Bishops who replied they took the position that there are no illegal people.
The Conference has been refining their vocabulary so the not-illegal-people are now called ‘migrants’
Like migrating geese how can migrating people be illegal?
We don’t deport geese. How can we deport sub contractors?
If these migrating sub contractors were passing through to Canada without taking American jobs, or American welfare and behaved like tourists instead of invaders I would set up migration routes and charge them a fee for the privilege of crossing my country to their winter nesting site.
entagor on November 16, 2007 at 4:11 PM
Wow, I’m actually attending John Jay for a Master’s so I’m pretty familiar with that study. Did you read the part in the first paragraph where the number of priests accused represent 4 percent of the priestly population? But, wait, I though ALL or at the very least MOST priest were child molesters? I could go on, but it’s really not worth it. TheSitRep is not interested in reasoned debate….just merely repeated his bigoted assumptions about the world and Church.
WillBarrett on November 16, 2007 at 4:12 PM
WillBarrett
I wonder are all Catholics like you? Do you know anything about your Popes? They are human you know?
It is okay to be ignorant about them. Probably better that way. Just don’t claim that Catholicism to you is the same for them.
Agrippa2k on November 16, 2007 at 4:13 PM
I won’t deny that several priests have provided asylum to illegal aliens, we had that one Hispanic lady brag about it and throw her fist up in the air, that ungrateful little witch.
What I will say is this: The Catholic Church is conflicted by two counterbalancing forces on this issue:
1. The rule of law and national sovereignty are to be respected and abided by.
2. Illegal immigrants are still human beings, and there is little doubt their life in their original country will be less dignified and cared for should they be deported than if they live here.
The responses vis-a-vis these two forces are varied. Some priests have used their parishes to provide asylum for illegals.
Others have given them aid and help through Church programs (which are morally required not to discriminate) but have not directly helped them evade authorities.
I submit that very few have called ICE or other immigration authorities because they feel the second principle, human dignity and caring for the poor outweighs the rule of law. They would much rather have a friend and neighbor who they can help improve their life and help them through hard times than the satisfaction of knowing they sent “one of those damn illegals” back to Mexico.
I imagine, of course, if the illegal is not a good friend and neighbor the temptation to call ICE increases greatly.
That being said, Catholic doctrine still says the rule of law is important and must be abided by and therefore the immigration system should do what it can to alleviate the problem and make it so these two forces are no longer conflicting. This generally means to make legal immigration more attractive and to ensure that businesses and other entities are not exploiting these people.
I imagine this stance is none too popular with the “Borders First!” crowd, but that is how a Catholic would approach the issue.
BKennedy on November 16, 2007 at 4:15 PM
And what did the other 96% do about it? And that is “assuming” that 4% was “all” it was of course.
MB4 on November 16, 2007 at 4:16 PM
And Agrippa what do you know about the Popes or the Church? From your comments here, obviously very little. “Mary-worship”? I mean, c’mon, that’s something out of a Jack Chick tract (I bet you love Chick, don’t you agrippa?) But seriously, I know a fair amount about Church history and theology. I am no expert, but I also know that it’s usually a mistake to engage in arguments with people such as yourself. But of course, there is a difference between knowing and doing, despite what Socrates might say.
WillBarrett on November 16, 2007 at 4:17 PM
Enrique – the atheist
Jesus knew that rich people are fat.
Jesus knew that Caesar had his own problems.
Jesus knows it takes a conscience to ask for forgiveness.
Jesus worked for 30 years as a carpenter.
Agrippa2k on November 16, 2007 at 4:18 PM
A New England Jesuit that I admire refers to New England Catholics as “Menu Catholics”, which I like better as a definition. The problem that I see has to do with people seeing themselves as Catholic first and Christian last. This is where you get people that invent their own faith based on non-biblical beliefs.
Hening on November 16, 2007 at 4:18 PM
I take your Catholic persecution and raise you Butcher Cromwell.
Or was he not in your denomination?
Funny that. There being thousands of protestant denominations, each breaking off over and over again to become more popular with the secularists.
I bet Ted Haggart isn’t in your denomination either.
Or Pat Robertson the “Prophet Whale.”
BKennedy on November 16, 2007 at 4:20 PM
That’s not really a fair question, I’m Catholic and I love Jack Chick, he’s such a funny little screwball.
Bad Candy on November 16, 2007 at 4:20 PM
Oh FFS, who do you think assembled the made the bible (as in, assembled it, picked the books, and said “this is the bible”) ?
Mark Jaquith on November 16, 2007 at 4:21 PM
I am rich but not fat.
I am Catholic though.
- John Kerry
MB4 on November 16, 2007 at 4:22 PM
Yea, we call them “cafeteria” Catholics…picking and choosing teachings as if out of cafeteria line.
I’m not objecting to the notion that some Catholics simply “go through the motions.” I’m merely objecting to the notion that this is simply a Catholic phenomenon, or that a majority of Catholics do this.
WillBarrett on November 16, 2007 at 4:23 PM
They don’t know who the people were, but it was the Greeks in Constantinople that made the choice standard, and the church of Carthage that made it final.
Hening on November 16, 2007 at 4:23 PM
I am rich but not fat
I live on a 28,000 sq. ft flat
I’m Christian too!
- John Edwards
BKennedy on November 16, 2007 at 4:24 PM
Doesn’t wash with me. If not “lifestyle”, then philosophy. Sounds like MSM types saying they’re neutral, or balanced. Doesn’t make sense.
It’s like Mort Kondracke. Infinitely reasonable, ultimately useless.
JiangxiDad on November 16, 2007 at 4:25 PM
Right, that’s why I was saying there are exceptions to the rule… But the point stands that the northeast is the most heavily Catholic region of the nation, which in my mind makes their behavior more representative of the whole than say Iowa style Catholicism (yes, I’m just making up Iowa style).
As for those who are insisting that Catholics take all these conservative positions. No, “The Church”, claims to take those positions when it issues press releases, etc. But that says nothing about whether what is taught regularly reinforces those positions. “The Church”/Pope comes out and issues a statement on one thing or another, yet the “Christian Right” is supported by evangelicals, not Catholics, and there’s a reason for it. And again, Catholics voted for Slick Will and Al Gore down the line, and split Bush with Kerry. Hardly conservative value driven voters.
RightWinged on November 16, 2007 at 4:28 PM
Your “friend” was a messenger too, not the message.
JiangxiDad on November 16, 2007 at 4:29 PM
Now there’s a statement I can get on board with, WillBarrett. TheSitRep is one of the douchiest of all douches in this joint.
RightWinged on November 16, 2007 at 4:30 PM
Forgive me for skipping to the end without reading all the comments; I just wanted to complain that for some reason I keep getting the Catholic Worker newsletter in the mail. No matter what the religion, ethnicity, or psychosis, there’s always a communist branch of it.
Gee, that sounds familiar somehow…
saint kansas on November 16, 2007 at 4:34 PM
WillBarrett
You keep coming back to the Mary thing. Did I insinuate that YOU and other Catholics “worship” Mary? No. Rome and the Popes and his entourage do.
That you do not know this is not my problem. Is it a problem at all? That is for you to answer for yourself.
John Paul II : “the history of Christian piety teaches that MARY IS THE PATH THAT LEADS TO CHRIST”
Pope Benedict XV: “[O]ne can justly say that with Christ, she herself redeemed mankind.”
Pope Pius IX: “Our salvation is based upon the holy Virgin… so that if there is any hope and spiritual healing for us we receive it solely and uniquely from her.”
AVE MARIA
Agrippa2k on November 16, 2007 at 4:34 PM
Yeah, the difference is the “Christian Right” is firmly in the pockets of the Republican Party and acts like Pavlov’s dog during an election. Cause we all know what outstanding conservatives we got out of the Republicans the last 6 years.
BKennedy on November 16, 2007 at 4:34 PM
In my experience in NY, Catholic families are generally the most conservative, maybe even more so than their own parish priests. Now that may not be saying much, but I don’t think it’s Catholics that fueled liberalism here.
JiangxiDad on November 16, 2007 at 4:35 PM
I am very rich but not fat, not so that you would notice anyway.
I live in an even bigger flat than John Edwards.
I also don’t have a bunch of poor peons living across from me either that I have to look at.
I am a very good Catholic boy.
MB4 on November 16, 2007 at 4:37 PM
You Catholics sure are sensitive! Don’t mess with your Pope, eh? Proves a point.
Let’s pick on the Episcopals then – or is that too easy?
Agrippa2k on November 16, 2007 at 4:38 PM
And it was Josef Ratzinger/Pope Benedict who said, “The cafeteria is now closed.”
Connie on November 16, 2007 at 4:39 PM
The national bodies of most Christian denominations are pretty liberal. They’ve become quasi-politicians and feel the need to appease everyone, including the PC set. The conservatives are the ones in the church on Sunday.
brak on November 16, 2007 at 4:40 PM
First – your garbage line about “little boys” is outrageous. It proves you’re a troll. Furthermore, you’re not much into charity and the whole loving your enemies bit either, since you proudly wear that kind of hate for Catholics on your sleeve.
Second, if you really understood those quotes from the Popes regarding Mary, you’d see the bigger context is that people should emulate Mary’s example of humility and loyalty towards Christ. Mary said “yes” and that “yes” is the path we’re to emulate to lead towards Christ.
Your cherry-picking comments and twisting them to mean that Rome worships Mary is idiotic. It is also called lying, which is a sin.
Sydney Carton on November 16, 2007 at 4:41 PM
I see.
BKennedy on November 16, 2007 at 4:42 PM
Again, aggrippa, are you really interesting in learning about the Church’s position on Mary, or just putting up “gotcha” quotations that don’t prove anything. If you are interested in learning about Mary and the Catholic Church, I will point you to a few places that can explain it better than I ever could:
Here’s a link to an excerpt by Cardinal Ratzinger, now the Pope:
http://www.ignatiusinsight.com/features2005/ratzinger_hailgrace_dec05.asp
WillBarrett on November 16, 2007 at 4:42 PM
It’s not sensitivity…it’s a lack of patience when dealing with uninformed, sometimes stupid, people.
WillBarrett on November 16, 2007 at 4:43 PM
If a country “slaps” America, should we turn the other cheek? If a world leader betrays us, should we offer forgiveness? If someone commits murder, should we put them out on the street and say, “go, and do no more evil”?
Christian morality is for the sanctification of the individual. Countries don’t need sanctification, they need leadership.
pifactorial on November 16, 2007 at 4:44 PM
Who said this?
Again, I walked after the cats, now with a pain in my chest, feeling tremendous cold. On the left, I saw a church building and thought, ‘There we will find help.’ I heard singing, and again, the idea occurred to me that it must be a Catholic church. The music grew louder, as though trying to convince God that they were praying to Him.
The mother cat jumped in front of me and climbed the stairs, followed by her kittens. I raised my head and saw a tall Jesuit priest chasing the cats off the steps. But as I was about to shout at the Jesuit, and give an order to accept the cats, the mother cat and her offspring ran behind the church because from there came theappetizing aroma of food. Probably there was a kitchen there. But a second Jesuit appeared at the kitchen door and scared the cats away.
They returned to the avenue and started walking north.
As they walked and the buildings grew shabbier and dirty, a door was opened, not by a doorman but by an old wrinkled woman in a cotton dress. [She saw the cats] and shouted, ‘Oh, little mother,’ and when she opened her mouth, I saw she had few teeth. She gently ushered the mother cat and kittens inside, who jumped happily about because the warmth of the house embraced them.
MB4 on November 16, 2007 at 4:50 PM
WillBarrett
As your insults increase, I can tell that you are overly sensitive. Perhaps embarrassed. Sorry that was harsh.
I will make my final points on the matter. YOU are fine people. As “Catholics” your practice of your faith is probably similar to anyone else. However your “leadership” leaves something to be desired.
This is not unique to Rome. Clergy, Papacy, “leadership” always seems to be wanting. Does the Pope speak for you?
Agrippa2k on November 16, 2007 at 4:53 PM
Sounds like Orwell, Dostoevsky or Gogol, to me.
OhEssYouCowboys on November 16, 2007 at 4:55 PM
PLEASE?
And you might also want to take a good look at
and
leepro on November 16, 2007 at 4:55 PM
Hey, I just had an epiphany.
It just occurred to me that there are two requirements for a person to be offended.
1. An offending statement (fictional, factual, or facieses)
2. A person that holds an “ism” (the offended)
Maybe without the offended party’s ism, be it Atheism, Catholicism, Protestantism, or Persecution-ism there could not be offense taken even if implied. The offended person has to hold some ism.
Maybe this speaks to the fragility of believe systems that require faith
Just a poorly penned thought.
TheSitRep on November 16, 2007 at 4:55 PM
Not even close.
MB4 on November 16, 2007 at 4:56 PM
You have got to be kidding… Obviously you did not go to this web page yourself first.
AVE MARIA
Agrippa2k on November 16, 2007 at 4:56 PM
My name is Greg West you can reach me at 713-829-6275
TheSitRep on November 16, 2007 at 4:57 PM
What’s your take on the church officials who moved pedophile priests into other positions that involved children? I can comprehend that some pedophiles can’t control themselves, but the administrators who put other children in danger is hard to accept. Also, Cardinal Ratzinger subjecting the church’s internal investigation to “pontifical secret” is troubling.
dedalus on November 16, 2007 at 4:58 PM
I took my best shot. Foiled, again.
OhEssYouCowboys on November 16, 2007 at 4:59 PM
OOps I meant 713-894-6275
I am an idiot
TheSitRep on November 16, 2007 at 4:59 PM
P.S. I guess that Kafka is out of the question?
:OP
OhEssYouCowboys on November 16, 2007 at 4:59 PM
We’re going in circles. I just said that separating the two isn’t as easy as wishing it so. Moreover, I guess we just don’t agree that someone can have a personal philosophy, but not have it spill over into their politics. I dont’ get it, or think it’s a good idea. I think one’s personal philosophy, outlook, whatever you want to call it, influenced to what ever degree by religion, should motivate one’s political actions. To me it sounds like you think they can and should exist separate, and even in conflict with one another. Just don’t agree that that is how one ought to live their life.
JiangxiDad on November 16, 2007 at 4:59 PM
Did you read it?
WillBarrett on November 16, 2007 at 5:00 PM
Your first true words of the day.
BTW, what is “facieses”?
leepro on November 16, 2007 at 5:00 PM
I tell you, whenever you refused to help one of these least
important ones, you refused to help me. (Matthew 25:45)
MB4 on November 16, 2007 at 5:01 PM
Cardinal Wojtyla.
MB4 on November 16, 2007 at 5:05 PM
So true, Jesus Christ was a Liberal, and after a ton of hot air and bloviating from the Religious Right, no one has ever been able to prove otherwise.
Jesus of Nazareth was a Leftie folks, and a loving one indeed, buy it, love it, accept it, own it.
AprilOrit on November 16, 2007 at 5:07 PM
Ahh, interesting. It sounded like the authors that I mentioned – dark, almost hopeless [Kafka, Orwell], but still with hope [Dostoevsky, Gogol].
Enjoyed the quote and the question.
OhEssYouCowboys on November 16, 2007 at 5:07 PM
You do know who Cardinal Wojtyla is better know as?
MB4 on November 16, 2007 at 5:10 PM
Dunno. But neither he nor his followers created the planet’s lefty paradises, the USSRs, Cambodias, Chinas, Cubas, Nazi Germany, etc. Maybe he was a different kind of leftie.
JiangxiDad on November 16, 2007 at 5:12 PM
heh. i’m not calling . . .
tizzidale on November 16, 2007 at 5:13 PM
Take a look at banning me? Why, because I express an opinion you find offensive? The reason folks are talking about TheSitRep is because he’s a troll and an agitator. He often shows up just to piss people off and has nothing of substance to offer in the conversation. You may not like what I’m saying, and might even find it stupid… but you want AP to consider banning me for it? Grow a pair, guy.
RightWinged on November 16, 2007 at 5:15 PM
Could you please quote Jesus Christ, wherein He told his followers to give all that they had to the State, so that the State could re-distribute it as the State saw fit? Leftism is synonymous with Socialism. Socialism confiscates from the people, and re-distributes what it has confiscated. Confiscation is not giving. Jesus did not confiscate – He only told His followers to give to those in need, and to give from the heart – not because of State coercion.
OhEssYouCowboys on November 16, 2007 at 5:15 PM
MB4, what are you trying to prove by quoting from a dream of Pope John Paul II? If you are merely trying to show the increasing irrelevance of your quotes, than bravo…but otherwise, I’m not sure I follow.
WillBarrett on November 16, 2007 at 5:16 PM
Why ban anyone?
MB4 on November 16, 2007 at 5:16 PM
TheDoucheRep, that number is listed here:
http://www.dirtcheapcaps.com/main.htm
and here:
http://www.datareclaim.com/
RightWinged on November 16, 2007 at 5:17 PM
Yea, I think RightWinged’s argument is fundamentally wrong (and poorly supported), but he’s at least been cordial about it. TheSitRep and Aggripa, on the other hand…
WillBarrett on November 16, 2007 at 5:17 PM
So sad.
MB4 on November 16, 2007 at 5:19 PM
Fair enough. I don’t think that one’s personal philosophy shouldn’t influence their politics. I just think a personal philosophy is incomplete if it assumes that the same principles applied to people should be applied to everything.
pifactorial on November 16, 2007 at 5:19 PM
… To add to that, I’m not even claiming to be the most cordial guy in most cases either. My main point is that I don’t do drive-bys or troll work. TheSitRep does. I’m not even here arguing for his bannination, but I can’t allow leepro to lump me in with him either.
RightWinged on November 16, 2007 at 5:20 PM
I wonder what would happen if you had to present an argument in your own words in a post, without having to quote from somebody else? Would your head explode from having to think that much?
WillBarrett on November 16, 2007 at 5:20 PM
The Beatitudes and his treatment of the sick and morally disreputable skews more to the left than the God of the OT. Also, he traveled with a tax collector.
dedalus on November 16, 2007 at 5:20 PM
Dunno. But neither he nor his followers created the planet’s lefty paradises, the USSRs, Cambodias, Chinas, Cubas, Nazi Germany, etc. Maybe he was a different kind of leftie.
JiangxiDad on November 16, 2007 at 5:23 PM
His kingdom was not of this earth.
Also, Hitler isn’t thought of as a leftie.
dedalus on November 16, 2007 at 5:26 PM
He traveled with a FORMER tax collector.
Matthew 9:9
OhEssYouCowboys on November 16, 2007 at 5:27 PM
I tell ya what; I certainly don’t want to get banned.
But if I did get banned for making a joke about pedophile priests,
I’d be bummed out. But I wouldn’t be offended.
We know what the mindset is of people that are so easily offended that they take to the streets and burn embassies. I did not think they were here.
I’ll stand behind my “offending Cartoon”
TheSitRep on November 16, 2007 at 5:28 PM
Lets see, that’s K E N N E D Y. Are you sure you are Catholic? That name, it sure sounds conservative and Protestant to me. No, there haven’t been any liberal Catholic Kennedy’s have there? Can I think of any?
Almost to the point of worship, eh? The problem is that Catholics are more concerned with the Catholic Church than they are with Jesus. They are more concerned with going through the motions to ’show’ that they are Christian than believing anything.
Christianity is not a religion, it is a belief. If you believe Jesus died for your sins, you are a Christian. No matter what else you do. There is NOT a Christian way to live or act because we are all sinners.
Believing Jesus is God and rose from the dead is hard enough that most people in this world don’t believe it. That’s a big enough threshold to determine who is and who is not saved.
Jesus is the only thing that matters to Christians. The Catholics only care what the Catholic Church says. Whether or not they disagree, they will defend what the Church says because of this destructive hierarchy created by man within the Church.
Nobody can be ‘more Christian’ than anyone else. The Catholic Church is an earthly institution that wields power through fear. Fear of going to hell. If you don’t do what they say and how they say, you are going to hell. Why? Because they say so.
Catholics have made a mockery of Christianity in Europe and the main hope of Catholicism to grow is in America. That hope stems from a. electing a Catholic president, and b. ensuring that more Catholics immigrate to vote (Hispanics).
I would appreciate Catholicism a lot more if they focused on reinvigorating their Church in Europe rather than trying to start over in America. As it stands they are turning old Cathedrals in Europe into Mosques and having prayer services for Muslims on Fridays IN ITALY.
I don’t want that kind of ‘leadership’ to take over the Christian culture here. Christ is in charge. What Christ did matters. What people say (even Pope’s and Bishop’s) is irrelevant to Christianity.
ThackerAgency on November 16, 2007 at 5:29 PM
I got the same kind of vacuous comment on a another thread a day or two ago, I will give the same response. I use my own words many times, some think too much, some even think way too much. It all depends on the thread and my mood as to my choice of tool. Always use the proper tool for the proper job. And, no, my head has not exploded yet.
You just don’t like the arguments, that’s all.
MB4 on November 16, 2007 at 5:31 PM
You’ve got nothing to prove that He was. Just find one time He told anyone to petition THE GOVERNMENT to give money to the poor.
NEWS FLASH!!!! Conservative Christians agree with the ideals Jesus put forth of giving to the poor. We just don’t believe the government should make people do that.
That’s why in poll after poll Christian conservatives rank in the highest percentages of those who give money to charity. Because it’s our job, not the job of the government.
For all the “hot air and bloviating” of lefties who try to claim Jesus as one of their own, they do nothing to prove it other than an insane idea that giving to charity means going through the government.
Esthier on November 16, 2007 at 5:31 PM
Keep telling yourself that, you sily little troll. You aren’t merely making a “joke.” You are insulting the Catholic Church by equating all of its priests to child molesters. You are either not very smart or just trying to get a rise out of people (which makes you a troll).
WillBarrett on November 16, 2007 at 5:33 PM
Well, you first have to give me an argument, MB4, in order for me to decide if I like it or not. I’m sorry if I do not follow your posts in other threads with great attention. I do have somewhat of a life. But the only time I have ever encoutnered your posts on this site, they have been quotations (usually by Mark Twain). The fact that someone else pointed this out to you in another thread, seems to support the position that you are incapable of making an argument. That is fine. It’s just annoying for the rest of us.
WillBarrett on November 16, 2007 at 5:36 PM
Oh stop it already, you sound like a spoiled child.
MB4 on November 16, 2007 at 5:37 PM
I enjoyed MB4’s quote, above. I struck out – 4 times, even -but, I enjoyed it.
OhEssYouCowboys on November 16, 2007 at 5:39 PM
You seem to become annoyed, and agitated, very easily. They have programs for that these days.
MB4 on November 16, 2007 at 5:39 PM
Grow a pair?
ROTFLMAO!!!
Not on this bod!!!
/walks away, still laughing!
leepro on November 16, 2007 at 5:42 PM
It’s a fine quote…It was written by a Pope. I’m sorry, but I just don’t see the relevance to the above conversation. It talks about Christian charity, extended to animals, but I’m not sure how that supports either a pro-Catholic or anti-Catholic position. Maybe MB4 would care to enlighten us.
As far as becoming annoyed and agitated, very easily…You are right, it is my fatal flaw. But, I’m sorry, people with stupid arguments (or lack therof, in MB4’s case), just really irritate me. Hey, it’s the Internet!
WillBarrett on November 16, 2007 at 5:42 PM
Vacuous? I merely asked if you did that as a means to deflect criticism from yourself onto someone more famous. I also speculated that it might be because you think the argument is more persuasive coming from someone known for intelligence.
You replied that Twain’s linguistic skills surpassed your own, but linguistic skills do not automatically equate skills of persuasion.
Esthier on November 16, 2007 at 5:43 PM
If the program does not work you might try Clozapine or Loxapine. If that does not work try Olanzapine or Quetiapine. I am just trying to be helpful.
MB4 on November 16, 2007 at 5:45 PM
What was that you said last night about Catholics bashing other Christians? You just proved me right. Thanks for playing.
Connie on November 16, 2007 at 5:46 PM
Your thinking is too binary.
MB4 on November 16, 2007 at 5:47 PM
I don’t recall what you said Connie. I did read all the threads here though.
ThackerAgency on November 16, 2007 at 5:48 PM
Before I read all the comments on this thread I was going to thank AP for putting up a thread that was not against non-Catholic Christians and bashing them for taking the same positions that Catholics generally hold.
ThackerAgency on November 16, 2007 at 5:49 PM
Kennedy is the “Smith” equivalent of the Irish and Scottish.
Seriously dude. Google Brian Kennedy, there are literally dozens of pages. There’s the black Brian Kennedy, the gay activist Brian Kennedy, the musician Brian Kennedy, and thats just 3 of the more interesting results.
I am not in any way related to Uncle Ted, just as I assume you are not related to an agency of smelly hacker hippies.
BKennedy on November 16, 2007 at 5:49 PM
But Connie, I’m more of a Moravian than anything. Christ should be the center of Christianity don’t you think? Rather than some denomination, shouldn’t Christianity focus on Christ?
That whole, you will know them because they will bear my name deal.
Many Protestants as well as Catholics do NOT believe the divinity of Christ and they do NOT believe that Christ died on the cross and raised from the dead. I’d say no matter what they do, they aren’t Christian.
I still say that Christianity is a BELIEF, not a religion.
ThackerAgency on November 16, 2007 at 5:52 PM
Man, can I call it or what (comment#1)
tizzidale on November 16, 2007 at 5:52 PM
Bkennedy, I was referencing your issue with the ‘type’ of conservatives that ‘Protestants’ voted for. You deride the ‘choice’ without taking credit for the liberal choices that the Catholics have saddled the country with.
I happen to like JFK though.
ThackerAgency on November 16, 2007 at 5:54 PM
RightWinged -
First you say…
And then a few minutes later, you say…
First you defend your fabricated “facts” about the Catholic Church by calling them “opinion,” and then, in almost the same breath, you say that you cannot “allow” me mine?
You don’t need balls to see a hypocrite!
leepro on November 16, 2007 at 5:55 PM
Now this is an example of non-binary thinking.
MB4 on November 16, 2007 at 5:58 PM
Well folks, I’m out of here….It’s Friday night after all. Have a good night! I can’t wait to read tomorrow morning to see what depths of absurdity the comments of MB4, TheSitRep, and now ThackerAgency have sunk to. Cheers!
PS. Thanks for the medicine advice, MB4. Might I suggest “MEM 1414″? It’s still in the clinical trials, as far as I know, but they are saying that there may be drugs soon on the market that can increase intelligence. Just have patience, buddy!
WillBarrett on November 16, 2007 at 6:00 PM
You mean my comment about how Christ should be the focus of Christianity and not the Pope or the Church? Yeah, absurd to a Catholic I know.
ThackerAgency on November 16, 2007 at 6:02 PM
I am always up for a reasoned debate. But I guess we first have to agree on our definition of the word “reason, reasonable, etc”.
Now if 4% percent is reasonable to you , then we are at an impasse before we begin.
TheSitRep on November 16, 2007 at 6:06 PM
Binary thinking: A mode of thinking where a person sees no gray, no pros and cons on an issue, just for or against, it is just them or us. Everything is zero or one, off or on, up or down, right or left, north or south, black or white.
I do not know of any clinical trials to treat it.
MB4 on November 16, 2007 at 6:10 PM
Anti-Semites are to the Left as Know Nothings are to the Right.
corona on November 16, 2007 at 6:11 PM
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