I don’t want to comprehend it,
I want to stop it!

As “braindeadamongus” (dedalus) has pointed out, attacking
wavering and indecision of Hillary Clnton is unwarranted
if your dog died and then wrote a book about it.

If you scrolled up to 4:32 PM you’d see I made the opposite point.

forest on November 15, 2007 at 12:22 PM

And her thinking is mostly spot on !!!!!!!!! Most voters are pretty stupid.

It seems that you’re supposed to stick to the high road whilst Her Thighness, Hillary Rotten, accuses you of being part of a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, wanting to starve children and kill old people.

No. Call her out on that. There will continue to be plenty to attack her on if she is the nominee.

I thought the attacks on Bush over SCHIP were cheap. He was 6+ years too late in vetoing a big spending bill. The veto was based on having a modicum of fiscal restraint not hating children.

These coments regarding the ability to call Hillary what she is in less than glowing terms and having the same ability to love a dog is interesting.

I wasn’t focused on Hillary, who is a public figure. Also, I didn’t assert that Levin didn’t love his dog. Very probably he does. My issue was with his marketing that affection for a dog and asking us to care.

I’ve cared for dogs all my life, but over the years have seen things happen to other human beings that has made me adjust the way that I view animals. Would combat experience cause me to not love a dog or a child? No, but seeing someone do something unnecessarily cruel to another human being would make me less sympathetic to that person’s feelings toward animals.

Are you speaking positively about Vidal vs. Buckley? Was your favorite moment when Vidal called Buckley a nazi or when Buckley called Vidal a faggot?

Yep, those.

I enjoyed the back and forth between two smart speakers. The name-calling was shocking at the time because the debates contained much dry material. Eventually, the feud between Buckley and Vidal over the exchange became tedious.

Today, rather than debating, we have more monologues where hosts speak unchallenged to either a right wing or left wing audience. The savvy media figures realize that people related more to bombast of Mailer, Vidal or Buckley than remember the logic of their arguments.

Kensington on November 15, 2007 at 3:53 PM

I sure feel that way these days. makes me proud to be a gun carrying Conservative, though.

So, having been in combat and the resulting aggressive and cruel things that happen, I can’t love a child or dog?

It seems that you’re supposed to stick to the high road whilst Her Thighness, Hillary Rotten, accuses you of being part of a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, wanting to starve children and kill old people.

Old enough to remember Mailer vs Vidal or Vidal vs Buckley. Debates are more entertaining than rants.

Are you speaking positively about Vidal vs. Buckley? Was your favorite moment when Vidal called Buckley a nazi or when Buckley called Vidal a faggot?

Calling a spade a spade isn’t, and never was, a “fashion.”

I was using your word. You introduced it, otherwise it wouldn’t have occurred to me.

Speech codes, politically correct speech, and the inability to ever make black and white pronouncements on anything is dangerous to our freedoms.

Agreed.

I’ll avoid that fashion too.

That is a typical response influenced by post-war liberal thought. Calling a spade a spade isn’t, and never was, a “fashion.” It is free thought, and free speech. Speech codes, politically correct speech, and the inability to ever make black and white pronouncements on anything is dangerous to our freedoms. Liberals may have once taught us that not everything is black and white. Today, conservatives can teach you that not everything is gray. The politicians and media figures Levin calls cowards and weak are cowards and weak. They may be even worse things too.

You use the term “Americans” loosely.

I was using it in the strict sense of citizens of the United States, excluding illegal aliens and people here on visas or green cards.

Try this. http://mitchlewis.net/blog/2007/07/30/sheep-wolves-and-sheepdogs/

Thank you for the link. Not exactly my worldview, but I appreciate it.

If you so freely disparage other Americans don’t appeal for sympathy regarding your feelings about a pet.

dedalus on November 15, 2007 at 1:25 PM

You use the term “Americans” loosely.

Calling a spade a spade is back in fashion.

Letting your pants fall below your boxers has also been in fashion. I’ll avoid that fashion too.

You might not be old enough to remember when you could speak your mind.

Old enough to remember Mailer vs Vidal or Vidal vs Buckley. Debates are more entertaining than rants.

Try this. http://mitchlewis.net/blog/2007/07/30/sheep-wolves-and-sheepdogs/

I wasn’t talking about private individuals in the workplace. I’m talking about politicians, pundits, and other public powerful individuals. They are fair game. This is veering into the Hillary Clinton argument. She is fair game.

Fair enough. It’s just a different point than the one I was making. You implied that context didn’t matter. Clearly it does.

He takes powerful people who use their power to intimidate, steal, abuse, ridicule, in general harm, and calls them to task.

He ridicules not just the powerful. I was listening to a clip where he called people on welfare “losers”. Even if you agreed with him, its clear they aren’t powerful.

A shepherd has a sheepdog to protect the herd of sheep.

I’ve heard that metaphor somewhere else. If people are looking for a shepherd, that’s a little outside my comprehension.

dedalus on November 15, 2007 at 2:19 PM

I wasn’t talking about private individuals in the workplace. I’m talking about politicians, pundits, and other public powerful individuals. They are fair game. This is veering into the Hillary Clinton argument. She is fair game.

Calling a spade a spade is back in fashion. (You might not be old enough to remember when you could speak your mind. Ann Coulter is a very good role-model for that reason. You don’t have to agree with her, but you can be set free by her.) I agree it was dicey there for awhile, but the people rebelled. Now, you can say what you really think, without having to worry that somebody will be offended. They will. Get over it. Some people are weak and cowardly. He finds them and exposes them.